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I am not sure of the real reason but i guess weapons are adorned by Guru Sahib just like the previous gurus

Its not a loss, The Guru knew what the hukam was and showed no attachment to this vast collection! All is i the will of God.

My question is why would Guru Gobind Singh Ji wish to propogate the devi for protection when the divine master writes in the second pauri of Chandi Di Vaar - Tehi Durga Saaj Ke Danta Da Naas Karaiya?

One of the most amazing Udasi Mahapursh, I heard so many stories about them from Sant Hari Singh Ji Randhawae Walae. they lived for 150 years according to Sant Kishan Singh Ji Rara Sahib Walae. Will try to find my books i am sure there are a number of stories about them

What is written is correct. it just means most of the indian population is derived from luv and kush. remember they cam during the treta jug which was ages away.

also i respect baba mohan ji very much but they are not the current jathedars of taksal that was passed over to sant baba kartar singh ji. if you doubt this then i suggest you go to gurmatveechar.com and listen to the katha by baba gurbachan singh ji bhindrawalae where there isa file in which they state where they will be passing their authority of the taksal upon them.

Unfortunately only God can answer why and how, we just speculate and will not be able to answer the question posed

accoding to Bhai Gurdas Ji it is written that Guru Nanak DEv Ji travelled the word(9 Khand). There is a story of Sant Ishar Singh Ji Rara Walae in wolverhampton close to the house they left the world in used to go into the local park and circle it a few times whilst doing simran. At the end they bow to a tree and walk back home. when the devotees asked why they did this Sant Ji stated it was due to Guru Nanak DEv Ji once sitting under the shade of that particular tree.

Nirankar is Sargun Nirgun and Gurshabad as it states in Bani and as Guru Gobind Singh Ji explained to their Sikhs about their forms

Baba Sabjit Singh Ji Bedi are the leader of the sant samaj (they are the 17th descendants of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji)

other sants in it are
Baba Hari Singh Ji Rahdhawae Walae
Baba Jagjeet Singh Ji Harkhowalae
Baba Sukhchen Singh Ji Dharampur Walae
Baba Sewa Singh Ji Rampur Khera Walae
Baba Baljeet Singh Ji Dadoo Sahib Walae
Baba Thakur Singh Ji Damdami Taksal
Baba Avtar Singh Ji Badni Kala Walae
Baba Amar Singh Ji Barundi Walae
Baba Darshan Singh Ji Dhakki Sahib Walae
Baba Lakhbir Singh Ji Ratwara Sahib Walae
Baba Hardev Singh Ji Lolowalae
Baba Maan Singh Ji Peehova Walae
Baba Balwant Singh Ji Rara Sahib Walae
Baba Teja Singh Ji Rara Sahib
Baba Baljinder Singh Ji Rara Sahib

the list goes on really

Current leader of Sant Samaj is Baba Sarbjot Singh Ji Bedi the 17th descendants of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, general secretary is Baba Hari Singh Ji Rhandawae Walae.

Sant Samaj has been around since the time of Baba Sahib Singh Ji Bedi the 11th descendants of Guru Nanak Dev Ji during the times of maharaja Ranjit Singh Ji.

Sant Samaj Lineage are the descendant of Guru Nanak Dev Ji all sants look to them as leaders.

These days Sant Samaj also has a political party of Panthik Morcha as they are trying to get rid of the corruption done by Prakash Singh Badal over the last number of years and other sikh groups who crete distrust in authentic Bani.

Sant samaj is the society of saints. i will try to put some literature on when i get a chance.

too be quite honest there is no head to this samparda following the mahasamadhi of Sant Ishar Singh Ji Klera Walae.

The tree has branched out and their are many twigs!

Faridkot Teeka is the first teeka written onthe Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji by Giani Badan Singh Nirmala. you can download it from www.ik13.com

Sampardai has it the same. it is similar to the teeka of jap ji sahib where the salok is written by mahalla 2 and how one of the saloks in salok mahalla 9 is by Sri Guru gobind singh ji

Its not a loss, The Guru knew what the hukam was and showed no attachment to this vast collection! All is i the will of God.

the granth being spoken about like all the dasam banis is the same granth. According to the Bansavlimnama Guru Gobind Singh Ji had created a large amount of bani which was called the vidya sagar granth. however alot was lost in the evacuation of Anandpur Sahib

Those who have faith believe and those who are skeptic do not. I think the whole point end there.

The same goes with the Issues on the Raagmala, Dasam Sarbloh, Prem Sumarg, Mukat Marg, Sau Sakhis, Bhai Gurdas Di Vaaran, Bhai Gurdas Di Kabitt, etc

1) Did Guru Nanak ever say anything that supported the notion of his being Raja Janak in a previous birth?
No

2) Is there anything in bani from subsequent Gurus which unequivically supports this notion?
No

The assumption is used as Hindu Texts state that Janak freed the captive souls in hell and it is believed that Guru Nanak DEv Ji was the one who came to the earth when those captive souls had taken birth and they needed to be liberated by Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

The Bhatts and Guru Arjan Dev Ji state that Guru nanak Dev Ji were the manifestation of the Lord.

The banis are not part of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji we see today however the karninama is one of those extra banis shown in that Granth by Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji written in Mecca. Although it is not part of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji today, parts of it are recited by every Sikh today following ardas. Teh pangti is "Raj Karega Khalsa Akhi Rahai Na Koi Kwaar Hoi Sabh Milingai Bachai Saran Jo Hoi"

There Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Birs written in 1705 which are still dated and available to see today have the Raagmala after the Mundavani. In both of the Granths, following the Raagmala you will see Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jis signiture showing the Raagmala was the Guru's works and not Alams work as the Bhasurias suggest

I have checked Salok Mahalla 9 is in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib PDF before the saloks of farid and kabir. The other banis you see are consistant with the kartaprpur and bhai banno wali bir

all of Padam's books are brilliant and informative

lol i think putting the quote about burgers hit a nerve, I am actually a veggie frieak and on the verge of going vegan. Also the clip is one that I put up on youtube.

Terrible who would put up such a video, how am i supposed to eat my beef burgers listening to this!!!!

After numerous requests that have been made via different frums today whilst the kids were at school i got the chance to digitise this book. Sri Gur Sobha by Dr Ganda Singh is a written account of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's life as seen by the court poet Kavi Sainapati. please take some time to read though this text and realise some very interesting facts that i found through this.

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/books/Punjabi_Books/Sri.Gur.Sobha.by.Dr.Ganda.Singh.(GurmatVeechar.com).pdf

It has been years since i posted anything on this site but I saw this topic and had to say something.

There are lots of females with great avasthas out there. I saw a few whilst in India this year. Alot of them are kept in the background because of the massoganist mindset people have in the punjab.

There was a Gursikh Bibi at Guru Ka Mahal in Amritsar doing seva at the shoe stand, you could tell from speaking to her that her jeevani was uch koti, sweet words nimarta and constant bhagti was amazing.

Best of all if you want to see women with great spiritual avasthas can i suggest that one takes a visit to Bhai Salo Ji's Toba in Amritsar, not more then a kilometer from Darbar Sahib. The Gurdwara is prodominantly by woman, their seva and bhagti is out of this world and you can feel the spiritual vibrations from them. I spoke to a few of the Gursikhs and was so moved that other then meeting Sant Giani Mohan Singh Ji Bhindrawalae these ladies were of the highest avasthas I met on this occaision.

Anyone gets a chance please go and see the simple Gurughar with no golak and the Toba itself.

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The congregation heard this and asked Guru Gobind Singh Ji, “ We believe that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji are a divine incarnation and a complete one. But tell us what authenticity you have to say that they are complete?â€

Guru Gobind Singh Ji said, “There are three types of authenticity that I can give you. They are the Vedic authenticity, Lokik authenticity and Svai authenticity.â€

Guru Gobind Singh Ji went on to explain all three.

1) Vedic authenticity. This is where the proof of the incarnation is written about in the scriptures.

Examples of this are written about in the Gopal Tapnee Upanishad, Surtee Parmaan & the Bhagvat Da Parmaan.

Another example to show that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji are commonly regarded as God is written about in the Bhavishat Puran. Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s arrival on earth was predicted by Rishi Ved Vyas who wrote in the Bhavishat Puran 12 saloks in the 24th Adhayi (stanza). In this text it is written that in the Dark Age Guru Nanak Dev Ji will be the saviour of the world. These can be found from salok 33 to 44.

2) Lokik authenticity. This is where people from the period of time of the Guru’s wrote their own facts about the messengers of God.

An example of this is the writings of Bhai Gurdas Ji who state that Guru Nanak Dev Ji are themselves God incarnate. They state this in Var 1 stanza 23, Var 28 stanza 1 and Var 38 stanza 20.

The bhatts (bards) also wrote in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji also state that Guru Nanak Dev Ji were God themselves incarnate.

Without Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji along with their other forms as Guru’s including with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, there would never have been another incarnation or prophet who was equal to God. In the Bihangam Marg book and the Janam Sakhi it states that when Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji were in heaven God said to them, “Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji I am the transcendent God and you are the non transcendent God. Between us and yourself there is no difference.â€

This story again shows that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the complete incarnation of God and no other.

3) Svai authenticity. This is the authenticity written by the following Gurus after Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

Examples of this are in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji where the other Guru’s have stated Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji are God.

The three authenticities show that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji were in fact God and not an incarnation of any demi god. They were a complete incarnation.

Sri Ram Chandar were an incarnation of power and the ideal way of life. They were an incarnation attributed to truth.

Sri Krishna were an incarnation where they were attributed to passion and royalty. They played the role of the king and were filled with passion. Sri Krishna married 16,108 Gopis.

Parasram was an incarnation where they were attributed to the darkness and evil. This is due to him destroying the social class of the Kashatris 21 times during his life.

All three of these are incarnations of the demi god Vishnu and possessed all the three main virtues.

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji possessed all of the virtues but were the form of God.

In the first age the incarnations came to look after all of humanity and creation. They destroyed their enemies. In the Bhagvat Gita and the Sri Dasam Granth it is written that at the end of the Dark Age the incarnation of Kalki will appear to destroy the wicked people. When the time is right that incarnation will appear. However Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji in the 6th and 10th form in order to protect righteousness they had to destroy an endless number of wicked people. Due to their deeds you can still see Hindus in India today, as without the Sikh Guru’s no Hindus would have survived. There is no doubt to the incarnation of the Sikh Gurus. The amount of teachings that the Gurus gave about religion and faith was far more then any other persons have done. No matter how many knowledgeable people there are, devotees of the lord and teachers they will never be equal to the Lord himself.

Many knowledgeable people have come to the world and shared their knowledge but have only done so with a certain social group. The message that was also given is only suitable for that group. The message of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji is for all of mankind. Those people who doubt the divine incarnation of God shall be destroyed.

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji were the incarnation of God. They were the spiritual master of the world. From the beginning they were the true spiritual master.

hopefully that will answer the question posed on this thread. Kam

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4) Kartab – This is ones show of skill.

In the age of Treta the life of Sri Ram Chandar lasted for 10,000 years. During that time the only time they showed their skill when they were exiled for 14 years. During that time Ravan kidnapped the wife of Sri Ram Chandar. Due to this Ram and Ravan waged war against each other. Ram killed the demon Ravan and freed his wife Sita and the other demi gods that had been captured. After killing Ravan, Ram appointed Bhabhikhan as the new ruler of Sri Lanka. After the 14 years of exile he went back to rule the kingdom of Ayodhiya. Whilst he was ruling he made a promise that no child should die before their mother and father. After making this promise a son of a Brahman who lived in Ayodhiya died. The Brahman came to Sri Ram Chandar and accused him of being a liar. He stated that Sri Ram Chandar had no power as the promise that he made failed. He said if he did have the power then he should make his son come back to life.

Sri Ram Chandar asked the Brahman why this child had died. He was told it was due to a person of a low caste had started to meditate in the jungle, he stated this was the only reason why the child had died.

At that time a male of the low caste by the name of Sanboock was hung upside down in a well meditating on the Lord. Sri Ram Chandar went to that location and beheaded Sanboock and brought the son of the Brahman back to life. This account is written about in both the Balmik Ramayan and the Sri Dasam Granth.

By accident Sri Ram Chandar fought against his sons Love and Kush. His sons injured or killed his entire army including Sri Ram Chandar. Only due to the goodness of Sita he was brought back to life. Still Sri Ram Chandar passed the reign of the kingdom over to his two sons. This was due to his attachment with his family.

Sri Krishna after killing Kans he placed his maternal grandfather named Ugarsain on the throne to rule the kingdom. This showed his attachment to his family.

However Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji for the first 28 years stayed in the city of Sultanpur and worked in the granary. After doing this they went into the Beas River and went to heaven there. Here they adopted God as their only spiritual master. They were given the root incantation here and following which saved all of humanity with the knowledge of the Lord. They travelled far and wide doing this. They did not speak of any other demi god or prophet other then God.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not show any attachment to their sons but showed may feats of skill. Instead of installing one of their sons in their position they appointed one of their disciples.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji met many evil kings such as Devloot, Lajvarad and Babur. Rather then killing them they gave them knowledge in order to make them understand the message of God and to help humanity. The demon Kauda, the thieves Bhumai and Sajjan were made to repent what they were doing and became saints. They made all the evil people good with the teachings they imparted. They saw no difference between social class, gender, age, etc and imparted the same message to all the people of the world.

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji in order to avoid many troubles showed much skill.

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not show any less skill then any other incarnation. They actually showed greater skill then all others.

5) Aayoo – these are acts performed for others good.

Sri Ram Chandar lived for 10,000 years. Due to listening to the Brahmans they killed a person of a low caste. They also handed the reign of the land to his two sons.

Sri Krishna lived for 1,000 years. He believed Jadva to be an egotistical person due to this he got Rishi Darbasha to curse him so that he would die.

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was a king and a saint at the same time. In order to bring any other being back to life they never killed another. By bringing that person back to life they would give them the name of God so that they could save and bring back to life many other people.

This is the same with the 3rd, 5th, 9th and 10th Sikh Guru’s. The third Guru, Sri Guru Amar Das Ji whilst the spiritual master of the Sikhs for 22 years no one died in the village of Gobindwal. No matter if old or young no one died during the 22 years that Sri Guru Amar Das Ji was in the city of Gobindwal. No one was ill as well. This showed that the Guru’s of the Sikhs were greater then that of the incarnations.

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji lived for 70 years and during that time travelled more then Sri Ram Chandar and Sri Krishna did. Sri Ram Chandar and Sri Krishna never travelled further then Indian and Sri Lanka. Guru Nanak Dev Ji went to Kashmir, Nepal, Bhutan, China, Tibet, Sikam, Burma, Africa, Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and Russia. They travelled to these countries and more all by foot. In the ballads written by Bhai Gurdas Ji it states the Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji actually travelled the whole world and met all the people of all nations. Guru Nanak Dev Ji saved that many souls that they cannot all be accounted for.

In such a small life Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji helped an infinite number of people. They got the root incantation from heaven and spread it through the seven lands of India and all of the continents throughout the world. They taught all the people to meditate on the name of the one true Lord. They started the faith of Sikhism. They created the true congregation. They made other people meditate on the Lord.

As of all of the good things that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji did during such a short span of life none of the other incarnation did.

The examples show that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not lack any Shakti, Viaktee, Pragya, Kartab and Aayoo considering they had a shorter life then any of the other incarnations. If they are an incarnation they cannot be seen as any less of an incarnation then a Pooran Avtar. If they are a Pooran Avtar they are not like Vishnu’s incarnations of Sri Ram Chandar or Sri Krishna. Sri Ram Chandar possessed 14 divine qualities while Sri Krishna possessed 16 divine qualities. However in the age of Kaljug having 16 divine qualities was not sufficient. For this reason Guru Nanak Dev Ji possessed an infinite number of divine qualities. This made Guru Nanak Dev Ji greater then the two greatest incarnations of Vishnu. Guru Nanak Dev Ji were themselves God incarnated on the earth and not a demi god.