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  1. from "the ringing sound" thread.... Posted just now Gurfateh gsm ji, I'm glad that you have found some answers and help on here. As always, I try to make it clear that any deeper techniques and advice I give, is mostly down to my own experience and how I personally relate it to gurbani. Some of the things that i mention have been confirmed with high avastha gurmukhs, and i usually refer to this where relevant. Based on what you stated, and from what I understand, ...it sounds like good progress. Seems that you have a good amount of bhagti energy which has developed within you. (hence, the bursts of pulsations) I think it would be a good idea for you to focus on rom rom technique along with doing long breath saas saas. I'm not sure if you've already tried this but it appears that rom rom is trying to manifest.. The technique i stated in the meditation thread is the one that I tried and worked. There are other versions as well and with some abyassees. the strength of the prem and pyaar for waheguru alone can make the rom rom pakhah. Once you do this and it gets pargat, the flow will become easier. This will help to put dhyian on the sound of the shabad as it develops and rom rom will be very helpful in stages ahead. At this phase, you should have noticed some major transformations in your attitude, daily life and even relationships. Your outlook and awareness of the world around you will be more clear and less foggy. As you start putting more of your soul and heart into the house of Guru Nanak ji, you will notice more and more "mitti dhund jagh channan hoya" Unless you are practicing already, I would suggest to do Saas saas by going quieter and quieter....with long breaths and pauses...Then once deep enough, to stop following breath and switch to heart beat in centre of chest. Whilst having the gurmantar vibrate mentally in kanth and mind...just stop and pause(holding breath) to see if it continues automatically with heart beat. If not sure what I mean, then check the rom rom technique on mediation thread and I will also put this same post on that thread for continuing(as this thread is more about anhad shabad) Waheguru
  2. Gurfateh gsm ji, I'm glad that you have found some answers and help on here. As always, I try to make it clear that any deeper techniques and advice I give, is mostly down to my own experience and how I personally relate it to gurbani. Some of the things that i mention have been confirmed with high avastha gurmukhs, and i usually refer to this where relevant. Based on what you stated, and from what I understand, ...it sounds like good progress. Seems that you have a good amount of bhagti energy which has developed within you. (hence, the bursts of pulsations) I think it would be a good idea for you to focus on rom rom technique along with doing long breath saas saas. I'm not sure if you've already tried this but it appears that rom rom is trying to manifest.. The technique i stated in the meditation thread is the one that I tried and worked. There are other versions as well and with some abyassees. the strength of the prem and pyaar for waheguru alone can make the rom rom pakhah. Once you do this and it gets pargat, the flow will become easier. This will help to put dhyian on the sound of the shabad as it develops and rom rom will be very helpful in stages ahead. At this phase, you should have noticed some major transformations in your attitude, daily life and even relationships. Your outlook and awareness of the world around you will be more clear and less foggy. As you start putting more of your soul and heart into the house of Guru Nanak ji, you will notice more and more "mitti dhund jagh channan hoya" Unless you are practicing already, I would suggest to do Saas saas by going quieter and quieter....with long breaths and pauses...Then once deep enough, to stop following breath and switch to heart beat in centre of chest. Whilst having the gurmantar vibrate mentally in kanth and mind...just stop and pause(holding breath) to see if it continues automatically with heart beat. If not sure what I mean, then check the rom rom technique on mediation thread and I will also put this same post on that thread for continuing(as this thread is more about anhad shabad) Waheguru
  3. Behind and above is good. I may have felt it below at some time and was advised to raise it upwards . You can practice the root lock technique which is done in yoga. This DOES ensure that energy rises upwards. It also helps transform dirty kaam energy into divine. But having it behind and above belly button is good. That's good also, i'd recommend deep sessions of sitting upright and doing this with holding breath in pauses. You felt the imbalance,....this is good. What you feel, is what your hidden sukham body is telling you. I'm always stressing how important it is to maintain posture and balance throughout your daily life. The sukham sareer is already imbalanced and blocked up for all manukhs.. It is imperative that we don't block and imbalance the outer body as well. I stress again, that it's fine to do simran lying down or sitting back on a couch, but your CORE simran should be done sat grounded, cross-legged and upright, with back and neck kept straight and vertical. No leaning your buttocks to the left or right,...completely central and inner body raised. Other simran you do in the day and night is not your core. If you do it on a chair for health reasons, then it should be at 90 degress to your glutes/thighs and not slouched back. Don't worry too much about this. When you get more adept with shabad naads and tones, you will be able to control this and many other things at will! If i ever notice mine to be too imbalanced, then i just put my dhyian there and fix it. Same goes for aches and pains. Makes perfect sense. "Consciousness expansion" ... This is gurmat and this is how you will learn about the existence of gobind in your mind. Mann jithay jag jeet doesn't just mean power over the mind, it also means that the "jag" can be contained within you. Merge them is what you want, although the term is slightly incorrect. What you want to do is witness them from the middle and feel the sound coming from there. Say you have 2 speakers on either side and you're in the middle. At any time you can hear a specific symphony the left when you focus there and a different rhythm on the right when focusing over there. To "merge" seems like saying you want to be able to convert the 2 stereo speaker into a single mono speaker. This is not the goal, because you want to be able to hear the combined symphony with other raags in background. In my opinion, this practice with shabad tones is very crucial in development along the path. There is so much gyaan that you will attain, so many powers and so many abilities. The instructions below by Sant Isher Singh are super-duper, and I can confirm that they are most authentic, proven and tested. Although, my time lines were different, the summary and clues are all there!
  4. Am i going to sunn the right way ?

    1) Follow breath into saas saas whilst incorporating gurmantar whisper. 2) Elongate the breath, slow down, calmly and not forcefully.....let it come naturally. 3) Then start holding breath in pause between "wahe" and "guru".. and in between breathing in or out. for eg, "waaaaaaaheee" ..pause..hold...."guroooooo"....pause The moment in between(pause-hold) is when you'll hear sound of sooo sooo or distant shabad ringing. This is how it builds up and helps get you deeper. Don't start thinking about sunn, because it will just come along. Just try to get deeper and deeper within. Keep following breath and silent gurmantar except at the pause.
  5. Am i going to sunn the right way ?

    Yeh, the desi description of a whistling type noise.. "kannnah de vich soooooo sooooo hoyi jandee"
  6. Am i going to sunn the right way ?

    aaaahhh, i see..... I spoke about naam, sunn and it being pargat on another thread earlier. I would suggest some similar advise that I mentioned on there... To do saas saas with very slow long breaths.by doing "waaaaaaaahheeeeee"...pause, hold,,and then "Guroooooooooo" . Start doing this with whisper, be very relaxed ,,, follow the breath and then incorporate the gurmantar.......then, ..Steadily, and calmly,...go from whisper to just silent recitation (antarghat) within yourself. Keep going and keep going until you get lost in the shabad. I STRONGLY suggest this as per gurmat. Please don't think that going into sunn is what it's all about and be trying to rush it. That's not gurmat. You've got to have the foundations of saas saas and rom rom before you play around with sunn. i never paid attention to what it was and never stressed about rushing into it. Sunn is just a void of which there are 4 main levels that I've come to learn. You want to get NAAM PARGAT,, which itsefl occurs in earlier stage of sunn, but then the NAAM can ONLY gain in abundance meaning- you get NAAM KAMAYEE(wealth), by proceeding with it further into depths of antarghat. The sunn will come automatically when in deeper meditative states. Trying to rush into sunn without naam kamayee, is not recommended as far as i understand. You've also got to note that techniques like hypnotizing, brainwashing via hypnotic induction.. for example, all use the process of putting you into the void (sunn) and manipulating your susceptible sub-conscious.You see what I mean about being gurmat or not? Bottom line, Do the saas saas as described above because I know it works. In addition, you are still safe to do the listening to silence or sooo soooo as wel, but please have the foundations.
  7. Gurbani Gurbani, especially Bhagat bani, is in line with patanjali yoga
  8. This one is very esoteric as you stated and there are a lot of interpretations. The difference with these few verses in japji i(deeper levels) is that Guruji isn't describing this earthly plane we live in. The "Manniye" tuks that precede the Panch parvaan, are about the dedicated faithful. First of all, one needs to understand who the "Manniyo" are and what it takes to be a "Manniya". The pauris in japji sahib have to be studied carefully to appreciate the continuous flow. The messages are ALL there. As with everything else, all the answers can be found in gurbani itself as one starts doing the practice of what bani talks about. Topic is huge with lots of branches and intertwines with other areas, and as @sat1176 quoted below, it can be cross referenced with Panj Shabad to be understood. AS with most of my posts, the below is my understanding and may be completely different to other well read scholars. It's my personal interpretations as per gurbani and expereince. Feel free to question or if someone sees contradictions anywhere. All errors are mine. Very briefly, Panj shabad (5 shabads), are 5 anhad shabads that you encounter when the door of Nijh Ghar is opened in Sunn Samadh. As per anand sahib “vaajay panch shabad tith ghar subhagay “ In yoga science, these 5 shabads are experienced when the upper end of the sukhmani nadi fully activates and glows. This top end of the sukhmani finishes with 5 large energy endings(channels). Each corresponds to one of the shabads and they merge to become the one single Ek shabad. Looking at the Mannai tuks.........Note that they follow from Gaviyeh(sing) and Sunniyeh(listen) lines.. The seeers that have gaviyeh and suniyeh (listened) will eventually get that special "mann rakhiyeh" connection. This connection is Naam and it is heard.. ਮੰਨੈ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਮਨਿ ਬੁਧਿ ॥ Mannai suraṯ hovai man buḏẖ. The faithful have intuitive awareness and intelligence. ਮੰਨੈ ਸਗਲ ਭਵਣ ਕੀ ਸੁਧਿ ॥ Mannai sagal bẖavaṇ kī suḏẖ. The faithful know about all worlds and realms. (They learn of these via many intuitive gyaan and experiences) ਮੰਨੈ ਮੁਹਿ ਚੋਟਾ ਨਾ ਖਾਇ ॥ Mannai muhi cẖotā nā kẖā▫e. The faithful shall never be struck across the face. (They are jagat and awake. Therefore, will not have to endure the jamdoots whacking them around the head to wake them at death) ਮੰਨੈ ਜਮ ਕੈ ਸਾਥਿ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ Mannai jam kai sāth na jā▫e. The faithful do not have to go with the Messenger of Death. (The jams will not come anywhere near them, and they will know of this prior to death) ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ Aisā nām niranjan ho▫e. Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord. ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੩॥ Je ko man jāṇai man ko▫e. ||13|| Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||13|| (Only one's who have faith and have done ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਗਏ ਮਸਕਤਿ ਘਾਲਿ ) ਮੰਨੈ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਠਾਕ ਨ ਪਾਇ ॥ Mannai mārag ṯẖāk na pā▫e. The path of the faithful shall never be blocked. (once they start walking on the naam marag, they will always be going towards guru's darbar. God will always be changing the play around the gurmukh and providing pretection, no matter what the worldly battles.. ਤਾਤੀ ਵਾਉ ਨ ਲਗਈ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਸਰਣਾਈ ॥ Ŧāṯī vā▫o na lag▫ī pārbarahm sarṇā▫ī. The hot wind does not even touch one who is under the Protection of the Supreme Lord God. ਮੰਨੈ ਪਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਜਾਇ ॥ Mannai paṯ si▫o pargat jā▫e. The faithful shall depart with honor and fame. (When they die on this earth plane, they depart with honour. The wandering souls they meet on the way, all praise and honour the mannai who have naam) ਮੰਨੈ ਮਗੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਪੰਥੁ ॥ Mannai mag na cẖalai panth. The faithful do not follow empty religious rituals. ਮੰਨੈ ਧਰਮ ਸੇਤੀ ਸਨਬੰਧੁ ॥ Mannai ḏẖaram seṯī san▫banḏẖ. The faithful are firmly bound to the Dharma. ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ Aisā nām niranjan ho▫e. Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord. ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੪॥ Je ko man jāṇai man ko▫e. ||14|| Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||14|| ਮੰਨੈ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥ Mannai pāvahi mokẖ ḏu▫ār. The faithful find the Door of Liberation. (the duar to the darbar, since they get to sehaj dunn) ਮੰਨੈ ਪਰਵਾਰੈ ਸਾਧਾਰੁ ॥ Mannai parvārai sāḏẖār. The faithful uplift and redeem their family and relations. (families and ancestors in the heavens -whom are out of lakh chaurasi are carried across the 2nd bhavsagar) ਮੰਨੈ ਤਰੈ ਤਾਰੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ॥ Mannai ṯarai ṯāre gur sikẖ. The faithful are saved, and carried across with the Sikhs of the Guru. (cross the 2nd bhavsagar in higher realms) ਮੰਨੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਵਹਿ ਨ ਭਿਖ ॥ Mannai Nānak bẖavahi na bẖikẖ. The faithful, O Nanak, do not wander around begging. (no need for begging to be saved, or to save) ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ Aisā nām niranjan ho▫e. Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord. ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੫॥ Je ko man jāṇai man ko▫e. ||15|| Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||15|| The above lines tell me about who the faithful(mannai) are and what happens as they enter the darbar of God(court) after their death. Human death is when saas account is complete. These deeds and accounts are read in the presence of Dharamraj, with chitr and gupt's reports. So, who are the mannai and what have they attained? They are the one's who have worked and attained Naam. Naam is pargat and they have crossed over the 2nd bhavsagar. (mannai taray tarai gur sikh). In yoga science this is the trikuti above larynx.(beneath pineal gland)... It is also last part of sunn mandal,....also bathing in amritsar (pool of amrit that surrounds Hari's mandar inside us)., and many other nishanees and pointers are in gurbani. Most importantly, it is the one's that have attained the wealth of Naam, that is accounted per breaths spent. Gurbani says.... ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਗਏ ਮਸਕਤਿ ਘਾਲਿ ॥ Jinī nām ḏẖi▫ā▫i▫ā ga▫e maskaṯ gẖāl. Those who have meditated on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and departed after having worked by the sweat of their brows - ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਕੇਤੀ ਛੁਟੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥ Nānak ṯe mukẖ ujle keṯī cẖẖutī nāl. ||1|| O Nanak, their faces are radiant in the Court of the Lord, and many are saved along with them! ||1|| These are the "mannai" !!! Now, the Panch Parvaan are the ones who have been chosen and are already accepted. After human death, when their saas has all been spent, they are considered as previously approved. Why is this? Why have they already got a pre-approved, pre-paid, direct entry ticket? What makes them chosen? Because they have already gotten into the darbar of waheguru when alive. Nirankar opened the door into Nijh mahal and revealed his "niranjan" self. He sat them on his lap and hugged them. They are the one's who had waheguru's darshan in his very own abode. Hence, they were and are JIVAN MUKHT. Jivan mukht means that they had pre-approved access into Nirankaars darbar. Whilst spending their saas in hukam of physical life, they learned to come and go at will. Before I go into the Panch Parvaan tuks. I want to just go over the above mentioned about Panj Shabad, and it's cross reference. Panch parvaan are also the ones that have previously activated the 5 shabads, ..killed the 5 dhoots and entered Satguru's abode. (Anand paya meri myeh, satgur mein payia) ਵਾਜੇ ਪੰਚ ਸਬਦ ਤਿਤ ਘਰਿ ਸਭਾਗੈ ॥ vaajay panch sabad tit ghar sabhaagai. The Panch Shabad, the five primal sounds, vibrate in that blessed house. ਘਰਿ ਸਭਾਗੈ ਸਬਦ ਵਾਜੇ ਕਲਾ ਜਿਤ੝ ਘਰਿ ਧਾਰੀਆ ॥ ghar sabhaagai sabad vaajay kalaa jit ghar Dhaaree-aa. In that blessed house, the Shabad vibrates; He infuses His almighty power into it. ਪੰਚ ਦੂਤ ਤਧ ਵਸਿ ਕੀਤੇ ਕਾਲ ਕੰਟਕ ਮਾਰਿਆ ॥ panch doot tuDh vas keetay kaal kantak maari-aa. Through You, we subdue the five demons of desire, and slay Death, the torturer. Noting that the japji panch parvaan lines follow the mannai tuks, and are......... ਪੰਚ ਪਰਵਾਣ ਪੰਚ ਪਰਧਾਨੁ ॥ Pancẖ parvāṇ pancẖ parḏẖān. The chosen ones, the self-elect, are accepted and approved. (already jivan mukht and seen Nirankar in sehaj samadhi) ਪੰਚੇ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਦਰਗਹਿ ਮਾਨੁ ॥ Pancẖe pāvahi ḏargahi mān. The chosen ones are honored in the Court of the Lord. (They are dressed, applauded and welcomed in the darbar by all the angels, devi devte's outside and at the darbar) ਪੰਚੇ ਸੋਹਹਿ ਦਰਿ ਰਾਜਾਨੁ ॥ Pancẖe sohahi ḏar rājān. The chosen ones look beautiful in the courts of kings. They are dressed in robes and all the the other heavenly beauties know of these panch when they are about to arrive. Even Dhararm raj and the jamms want the darshan of these enlightened souls.. gurbani says... ਜਨ ਕਾ ਦਰਸੁ ਬਾਂਛੈ ਦਿਨ ਰਾਤੀ ਹੋਇ ਪੁਨੀਤ ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ਜਾਮ ॥੧॥ Jan kā ḏaras bāʼncẖẖai ḏin rāṯī ho▫e punīṯ ḏẖaram rā▫e jām. ||1|| Even the Righteous Judge of Dharma and the Messenger of Death yearn, day and night, to be sanctified by the Blessed Vision of the Lord's humble servant. ||1|| There are many references in gurbani that quote the "Jan "(ਜਨ), in reference to the jivan mukht panch parvaan on their way to Nirankar. Many of these shabads speak about the darshan(glimpse) that spirits seek as they ascend to Waheguru's darbar. ਪੰਚਾ ਕਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਏਕੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥ Pancẖā kā gur ek ḏẖi▫ān. The chosen ones meditate single-mindedly on the Guru. (only nirankar is in their mind-focus and nirankar is in them. They will dissolve permanently and be true ik-mikh with nirankar) Waheguru
  9. Am i going to sunn the right way ?

    Sounds like you may be just bordering the dreamless sunn void, and be going back and forth. This occurs when sleepy before you fall into dreams and are momentarily passing through a void. Are you doing saas saas, and then proceeding to go quieter and quieter?
  10. These are good questions. I'm aware that you will have difficulty in getting the answers, but in time, they will come to you. Things can get pretty tricky to explain unless one understands the experience. Nevertheless, I can try answer them relative to my own journey and understanding. They are pretty long explanations to write down, so i will have to be a little blunt. Whether i'm right, wrong, or if others experience different, is another discussion. This comes with practice. You will start hearing shabad, alone, once naam is pargat. There's quite a number of nishanees in gurbani for when this happens. We can discuss those then, but in the mean time it's just about practice. 1) "Some say to sit and wait in sunn" you asked ..<--doesn't really apply to naam pargat in my opinion. I'll explain briefly....... Now,.... I never understood sunn for ages. Even when i was in it, I never realised where or what it was. I have now awakened to the fact that there are 4 possible stages of sunn. The 1st is the basic sunn/sleep one that we all pass through at night before the mind falls in maya dreams. Think of it as a very short stage of dreamless and thoughtless sleep. You can practice elongating this dreamless stage when doing jap, during moments of when you may be drifting to sleep. There is a very thin line between this void, dream sleep and being aware(in control). Have you seen the movie 'Inception'? The 2nd stage is the longest part of journey and is the Sunn Mandal. This is the stage when naam CAN get pargat. A lot of transformations take place in this zone and some people may even break it up into more divisions of sunn. You don't really sit and wait in this stage as you questioned. The sitting and waiting is done in Sehaj sunn(the 3rd stage), when all you hear is the anhad dunn in the centre and all around. My suggestion is to do "saas saas". Do this very quietly with focus on breath. Make the breathing long with antarghat or whisper "waaaaahhhhhheeeee" long pause, then "guroooooooo', long pause. This is what helped me get to next levels. To sit and wait in sunn, isn't really going to get you far in my opinion with out naam kamayee. What i mean is that it's much easier to sit and wait in sunn when one get's naam and has gained naam kamayee. Do the saas saas above and rom rom jugtees. These should automatically take you into the tips of sunn mandal to begin with.... Then naam gets flowing,... naam kamayee begins, ... naam gets pargat...and then Naam kamayee will take you further into depths and experiences of the same sunn mandal towards sehaj sunn. It is the fastest manner I know in which you can undergo major transformations. I'm suggesting it because I know it works. Other methods of trying to rush into sunn are methods that i can't advise and don't understand how. Gurmat emphasis that one does japna to get to naam. Naam is what helps you get deeper into sunn because you want to latch on to the shabad. You need to keep practicing more rom rom because it isn't pargat yet. Get real deep and start using all that energy from heart area dissipating throughout the body with jap. I keep stressing the importance of practicing rom rom technique after saas saas. Rom rom makes so many thing easier when you get to later stages. It will help you get to deep meditative zones within seconds with the anhad shabad and you will discover so many other things. Right or dominant side is usually at first. You wanna be able to hear the front, back and centre as well. Again, this is just practice, practice and practice. The KEY to the whole approach is to work at a pace, in sehaj with utmost prem. If you have conditions or you only have prem for some conditions, then you will not succeed. What i mean is that when i ask most people "why they want to jap" . They usually respond with "sukh ,shanti, peace, at ease, no life stresses" ..etc.. These intentions make the process somewhat conditional, and conditions with God don't really help except in infant stages. This is the secret that no one tells you and the reason why 95% of seekers remain stuck.
  11. I should simplify that SUNN zone is the etheric space where lies Nij Ghar, sookh mehal, sach ghar, dev lok, and many heaven realms etc.. It is in this zone that spirit/subtle bodies wait for hukam to take birth again in thios world or other's. Sunn exists inside and outside of all three zones; earth, sky and nether-regions. Because of this, every seeker will have different experiences along the walk, but they will be applicable to these sunn voids. They are both, but may be easier for seeker to view them as stages. The layout of darbar sahib is analogous to this. The bathing and walk along concourse where you will hear bani and also the chit chat of surrounding sangat(SUNN MANDAL) , .. then you get closer to main entrance and can do parkhama where anhad will surround you (ANHAD SUNN). Here one see's their own jyot dazzling in purity-represented by reflection in gold. The 4 lavaan are also in line with the same stages. Any person can have gurprasad or kirpa and go straight from 1st, 2nd sunn, to Sachadarbar. Gurbani says that he chooses the chosen ones. However, gurbani's main emphasis is on the seeker to be working at it and doing kamayee. It is Naam kamayee that defines your progress toward and into Hari's mandar. Majority of shabads are about getting from sunn mandal to anhad sunn(sehaj) and Sunn samadhi darshan of Nirankar. The shabads guide and also give tons of nishanees that the seeker will catch as they go from 2nd sunn towards 4th Sunn -chautha padh. As you are aware, gurbani covers all levels for all seeker, so a shabad can give message of sunn mandal or sunn samadh of primal void. or even both. The shabads you quoted above, all do apply to 4th Sunn for sure. But, I notice for eg. the first one quoted about the actor stages the play can also be cross-referenced with Divas rat due-daie dai-ai khlai sagal jagat (Day and night are the two nurses, in whose lap all the world is at play) This could be discussed with reference to day and night where the mind goes back to sunn at night after completing the days play. This would be the first stage of sunn(dreamless, thoughtless sunn)
  12. Ist level sunn is the dreamless state we all go into. It is the deep sleep when one's mind disassociates from the physical body. This same sunn is also the sunn of bhavsagar journey from mool duar to trikuti. 2nd level sunn is Sunn-mandal , bathing in amritsar, Also called sunn sarovar and some other names as well. This sunn is where naad is heard, but maya is still on surrounding as well. Abyasees can meet other abyasees in this sunn-mandal. It's also the place of void in space. Alot of cleansing at this sunn 3rd sunn (anhad sunn) is further from sunn-mandal, when one is completely surrounding by anhad naad. Maya still present behind. One is at the Dar. One hears the kirtan and bani of devte outside the dar of sacha mahal. One also sees own jyot in this sunn at the same time. 4th is Sunn samadhi. The one where gurbani mentions the vision/ darshan of immaculate niranjan. This is where nirankar is permanently. This is sach-khand. It is only accessed after he opens the door. This is the Primal Nirankar void, behind the ong. The layout of darbar sahib also constructs the journey of these sunns. I have found references to these sunns in gurbani, but they aren't easy to explain. I can attempt a very slow step by step explanation to the pangtees and shabads, but seriously, without experiencing at least 2nd or 3rd sunn, or hearing raags, .doing sant mandli, etc..most seekers will find it difficult to digest or understand.
  13. What made you think that they don't raise your awareness? ..... It seems incorrect to me. See, if the below helps you...... Navel and slightly below (Mool duar) is where your knot of sukham (astral) body is. Gurbani also explains, that bhavjal sagar(bhavsagar) starts at the navel and goes upto the mid-point of eyes (triveni) .. The 3 channels, ida, pingal and sukhmana travel upwards along this bhavsagar, but the sukhmana is hidden.. Also represented by rivers Ganga, Jumna and Sarsvati.. The idea is to ascend upwards by balancing ida-pingala and activating through the central sukhmana (sarsvati). This is also how you raise kundalini. . In gurmat, as per gurbani, one can only ascend, increase frequencies..etc starting from the knot. There are other explanations as well, such as the agan(fire) element (in stomach area), This has to be conquered and left behind by the mind before it can deal with water and air. The MIND has to leave behind maya(5 elements) before it enters the sacha mahal inside. Also, alchemy reference in Japji bani below. This is similar to spiritual science of making pure gold with either Paras(philospher stone) or manually working with it in furnace. The furnace (heat) is stomach. This heat is necessary before gold/precious metal ore can be molten. Then process of separating the pure out of the ore, and finally the extraction of this ore. ਜਤੁ ਪਾਹਾਰਾ ਧੀਰਜੁ ਸੁਨਿਆਰੁ ॥ Jaṯ pāhārā ḏẖīraj suni▫ār. Let self-control be the furnace, and patience the goldsmith. ਅਹਰਣਿ ਮਤਿ ਵੇਦੁ ਹਥੀਆਰੁ ॥ Ahraṇ maṯ veḏ hathī▫ār. Let understanding be the anvil, and spiritual wisdom the tools. ਭਉ ਖਲਾ ਅਗਨਿ ਤਪ ਤਾਉ ॥ Bẖa▫o kẖalā agan ṯap ṯā▫o. With the Fear of God as the bellows, fan the flames of tapa, the body's inner heat. ਭਾਂਡਾ ਭਾਉ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਤਿਤੁ ਢਾਲਿ ॥ Bẖāʼndā bẖā▫o amriṯ ṯiṯ dẖāl. In the crucible of love, melt the Nectar of the Name, ਘੜੀਐ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਚੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ॥ Gẖaṛī▫ai sabaḏ sacẖī taksāl. and mint the True Coin of the Shabad, the Word of God. There should be many other universal reasons of why you must start at the lower chakra areas and work your way up.
  14. What made you think that they don't raise your awareness? ..... It seems incorrect to me. See, if the below helps you...... Navel and slightly below (Mool duar) is where your knot of sukham (astral) body is. Gurbani also explains, that bhavjal sagar(bhavsagar) starts at the navel and goes upto the mid-point of eyes (triveni) .. The 3 channels, ida, pingal and sukhmana travel upwards along this bhavsagar, but the sukhmana is hidden.. Also represented by rivers Ganga, Jumna and Sarsvati.. The idea is to ascend upwards by balancing ida-pingala and activating through the central sukhmana (sarsvati). This is also how you raise kundalini. . In gurmat, as per gurbani, one can only ascend, increase frequencies..etc starting from the knot. There are other explanations as well, such as the agan(fire) element (in stomach area), This has to be conquered and left behind by the mind before it can deal with water and air. The MIND has to leave behind maya(5 elements) before it enters the sacha mahal inside. Also, alchemy reference in Japji bani below. This is similar to spiritual science of making pure gold with either Paras(philospher stone) or manually working with it in furnace. The furnace (heat) is stomach. This heat is necessary before gold/precious metal ore can be molten. Then process of separating the pure out of the ore, and finally the extraction of this ore. ਜਤੁ ਪਾਹਾਰਾ ਧੀਰਜੁ ਸੁਨਿਆਰੁ ॥ Jaṯ pāhārā ḏẖīraj suni▫ār. Let self-control be the furnace, and patience the goldsmith. ਅਹਰਣਿ ਮਤਿ ਵੇਦੁ ਹਥੀਆਰੁ ॥ Ahraṇ maṯ veḏ hathī▫ār. Let understanding be the anvil, and spiritual wisdom the tools. ਭਉ ਖਲਾ ਅਗਨਿ ਤਪ ਤਾਉ ॥ Bẖa▫o kẖalā agan ṯap ṯā▫o. With the Fear of God as the bellows, fan the flames of tapa, the body's inner heat. ਭਾਂਡਾ ਭਾਉ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਤਿਤੁ ਢਾਲਿ ॥ Bẖāʼndā bẖā▫o amriṯ ṯiṯ dẖāl. In the crucible of love, melt the Nectar of the Name, ਘੜੀਐ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਚੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ॥ Gẖaṛī▫ai sabaḏ sacẖī taksāl. and mint the True Coin of the Shabad, the Word of God. There should be many other universal reasons of why you must start at the lower chakra areas and work your way up.
  15. There's 4 levels of Sunn, from what I gather. The 4th Sunn is the ultimate "sunn samadhi" in which you go directly into Nijh Ghar..Nirankar is in this Primal void PERMANENTLY, and always was, always will be, but we can only go in and out(since we are jivs in maya) We can go into chautha padh, ,visit,, and back out again. This is jivan mukhti. House of Nanak summary is Attain Jivan mukhti --> at time of death, go DIRECTLY into Sunn Samadh with Akaal Purakh by latching on to NAAM (nanak naam jahaz hai).... Here, you shed ego, identity as you wont need to leave chautha padh again---=>>completely Ik-Mikh....and dissolved. Yes, some have reported this, but i'm sure it depends on avastha. Complete manmukhs/paapi.. don't often get second chance unless they were from devi/devte realm prior to birth. After my personal NDE and coma, I was aware of all the people i had hurt in my life. It was a really weird perspective because I perceived it all outside of my own ego. As if i could feel the effect the other parties felt after I had hurt them. One of the first things i was doing after waking up a month later was, asking forgiveness for these wrongs. On top of all this, I knew I was sent back to jap naam because that's what i had begged for prior to birth. I never japped naam before my accident because no one ever told me and i hadn't got a clue where to begin. I took me a few years to work out what to do and how to get cracking at it. At the same time, I also worked out how to use mind to heal myself from brain and spinal injuries. Yeh, dimethyltryptamine..We had another couple of threads about this some time ago. Naam rus does contain a very small amount of DMT. The shamans in the amazon drink it via ayahuasca, however, they only have divine experience if they are vibrating at higher frequencies. Otherwise, most folks end up having scary trips with jams scaring them and i think it' lower avastha dmt consumers that could have freaky future and past visions. I've shared and confirmed experiences with two local dmt users that were quite spiritual and into meditation/yoga.. Their accounts were interesting and it confirmed quite a few things for me.
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