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Seems like a very well researched book. I look forward to some more interesting postings from this. Singhji, it's a little difficult to explain but I don't think t lures you away from real bhagti. We have to use some form of tool to help focus and put our fixation on bhagti. When meditating, some people use a little black dot or mandala to stare at. Some use a candle flame or jyot, but as sikhs, we use the dhun of gurmantar, tikuti, focus between brows, navel..etc.. I've learned that it is trying to find the right jugti that suits each of us according to how much devotion and bairaag we have.

Very well composed and produced. I usually like to just listen to a song without any video because it can occasionally spoil the real essence. However, this was one kept the whole track quite preserved.

For a sikh, the DISCIPLINE is utmost. This same discipline is what any lieutenant/Sargent expects from his army of soldiers. The DAILY discipline and rehat becomes a major component of a sikh's everyday life. Why do we have to read bani daily, you ask ? I'm afraid, we have to REPEAT,REPEAT,REPEAT as part of discipline because this is the only way we can condition ourselves and mind towards the Truth of akaal purakh. On a daily basis, we repeat our paaps and sins, even though they may be different mistakes from the previous day. On a daily basis we get a coating of filth and dirt on our minds due to the exposure we give it in maya. Japji sahib tells us to CLEANSE our minds daily starting at amrit vela. We wash our bodies, brush our teeth, eat and drink on a daily basis and this keeps repeating. So, why shouldn't we repeat the internal cleansing by the help of a daily rehat of DISCIPLINE ? Gurbani speaks to all of us at our own personal levels. As my veerji N30singhji reminded me on another thread,..It is Agam agad bodh- a treasure of Unmeasurable depth that is Unreachable and Limitless. When you start climbing up the spiritual ladder, then you may witness and acknowledge this. You may read a pangti that you have been reading daily for years, and all of a sudden it will speak to you in a completely different light that you never thought previously. This can ONLY happen if we REPEATEDLY repeat our discipline of reading bani on a daily basis. We are not like animals that can eat and stock up food sources and then go and hibernate ! Everyday can be a new battle for our mind. Every soldier has to train, practice and abide by their discipline on order to be ready to proceed in battle at any given time. A sikh is a student and we know that every student can only learn and perform to their maximum potential if they repeatedly learn, read and practice. A student cannot just read a text book once and then know it all inside out forever !

Spot on veerji ! I'm glad you mentioned that as it went in like a little wake up call. Just get to that deep state and then let it become completely effortless. At this stage, one just goes with the flow like waves in the ocean. Just stay in the God ocean, but let him guide the direction of the waves. You guys have just inspired and reminded me to go back and start doing just this. It takes a little effort at first to steady and focus, but once you are deep enough, everything can just flow without any effort whatsoever. I remember that I was doing this a while back and I wouldn't pay attention to think what was going on in the sense that I would actually only think about it and realise after I came out of meditation. It was such that i probably didn't even notice that anhad shabad were happening and where they were coming from for some while. Harsharan ji mentioned that we can learn to die in the meditation or shabad by just letting go completely, and on some occasions, I kind of end up doing just this. I make the effort to initially settle and tune in and then when I can hear the shabad resonating and feel my heart with rom rom, -I know that I am at that deeper state. At this stage, to just let go completely and try go with the flow seems like the most natural thing to do sometimes. I often get the inclination to do this complete surrender of mind when I may wake up some unplanned time in the early hours and where i haven't thought about what time it is and how long I should do. I suppose that we should all just find our own comfort zones of sehaj that are meant for us at any particular time. We know that we won't all climb the same steps, but what matters more is that we continue to climb and be careful of slipping or falling. Many of us including me, get the impression that the stages of avastha have to be attained in some conditioned order. We feel that working up the spiritual path has to be done one after the other such that one can feel stuck if they get a hint that no progress is being made. (I have been in this scenario many times!) But,...... Have to REMEMBER- that progress can't actually be assigned to devotion. Devotion is about submitting and surrendering and can't be measured by self.-ONLY HE can judge and measure.So how can we really feel if we are progressing or not ? And then, because we can get our heads wrapped around ''oh, we must hear this...or smell this... or see this.....'' we forget about what 'HIS GRACE" actually means.- Again, we put our selves into the play of kal, maya and self haumai.

I feel you....i know that it can make you feel frustrated, but we should try and stay within the 'calm' zone at all times. What i found amusing was that radhasoamis are usually criticised for having a gurmantar or naam whispered into their ears which they don't openly reveal and try keep secret, yet they are the ones that have explained the concerned issue more than well in the above book !! In terms of the 'hush hush'......I think that it is advised so that we don't fall in further trappings of haumai and ego. But there should be no secrets in getting everyone started in the correct manner. Just some simple indications by akaal takht maryada for the Gurdwardas to be actively involved with teaching sangat basics of simran and to advise in progress would make the world's difference.

That's quite an interesting read Sat veerji. I am aware that it's from a sant mat radhasoami source or one of their popular references, nevertheless there can be some hidden gems in anything ! Previously, I too had come across some radhasoami info that was slightly misleading. It seemed to state that one must listen to sounds from the right only and not the left. It made it sound that it is forbidden and very bad to listen to the left. This seemed very peculiar to me because i thought that the one's on the right are the dominant ones and you don't really have much choice ! and I thought ''what are they on about?'' Anyway, as I delved further, I came across some other samparda specific sources, that actually gave me the impression that these guys don't actually know what they are on about and i was doubtng whether they had actually experienced anhad shabad ? I have been researching and checking out many sources lately to find some more answers and come to some conclusions. AND...The info you provided above from Anurag Sagar is actually pretty good and near bang on !! From what I have learned recently- -We have energy fields as you know and thats what chakras are all about .Now, energy fields only exist if there are Positive and opposing Negative forces. -Chakras have positive and negative forces, such that, they rotate in opposite directions to the one above and below. So, you can imagine 7 discs arranged with each spinning in opposite rotations to the next one. -However, it's not just chakras, we also have the nadis, kosha sheaths and layers of aura. There is not much info out there that links all of these but if you look into them, you can workout and conclude how they overlap and intertwine. -Negative energies can be associated with the left side and sometimes meditating can result in people hearing from the left side. This is when they are meditating out of the gurmat boundaries. There are all sorts of occult type meditation out there, directed at self-gain of riddi siddi only and not solely towards the true higher conscience of akaal purakh. There is this whole world of psychic phenomena, sending negativities, clairvoyancy..etc.. which is NOT spiritually God aligned towards truth, although these people will claim that they are spiritual when in fact, it is all about self gain and maya. Gurbani warns us about taking this route and we shouldn't pay interest to it. -If you are doing simran correctly and it is directed towards the Truth of Ek onkaar satguru, then you should hear anhad from the right or above/central. -A sixth sense can still come with gurmat simran, but you don't follow it and stray away from the path. You should just take these little encounters with a pinch of salt and not get attracted to them. The above is just my own view from what i have gathered overall and I am in no position to say that what is correct and right for sure. It's just the logical interpretation I make from what I have come across so far.

Life is too short, we just never know when !!! I'm saying that because I know what you mean. In my own experience, I can remember having the same kind of fearful feelings you are mentioning. The fear of not being able to do what I am really here for before it is too late..etc. I think that when you start climbing up the naam simran ladder, you get to a stage where you think ''what the hell was i fearing for?'' You will realise that the TRUE you is NOT the body that dies, so why fear the loss of this body which is a time limited entity ? I'm not sure what you know about the 5 layers of koshas or sheaths that make our body. But the yogic philosophers also believe that the negative energies that weigh us down also act on these koshas directly and are termed the 'Kleshas' Have a look at the below to get a little idea. I am no expert in the area, but I have come across the 5 koshas a few times in the forums and then i was just trying to relate them to auras, aural attachments and energies,(I usually mess around trying to link and make sense of stuff!!) when i came across the below interesting link - http://juliank.com/english/aura-body/files-aura/five_koshas__the_five_kleshas/five_koshas__the_five_kleshas.htm My advice and conclusion from some researching and experience is that if you build up your naam simran/meditation, then you can Raise the vibration of your own auras and layers. In turn, this should help in fighting negative energies/fears/worries...etc.. from bringing you down. Raising your vibration can also help you practice killing your ego for moments at a time, where in effect you experience the death of 'you' the 'Ego' !! I have the fear that I don't want to be born again and subsequently go through death again ..ie..the 84 lak joon cycles of birth and death. As Kabirji says in one of my favourite shabads- kabira marta jag muya marbi na jane koi. Aisi marni jo mare bahur na marna hoye. ||1|| Kabir, the world is dying - dying to death, but no one knows how to truly die. Whoever dies, let him die such a death, that he does not have to die again. ||1||

Breathtaking and very touching. It's amazing how sometimes all the 'Sift Salah' and praise seems to just make me feel closer. And the fact is that ALL I want is this closeness and I am not doing any ardas or asking for any worldly doings like I have most of my life. I know that we have all been guilty at some time of praising him conditionally, in the sense that we need or ask for something in maya world in return for our praise/devotion. In this world, when we praise someone, we always expect them to take some steps towards us or at least acknowledge and notice our praises. But when we do sift salah for akaal purakh, we just want to walk closer to him whilst doing this sift salah.

Thanks Harsharan, I have to keep at it and the biggest battle is the MIND or should I say the way that this mind has been conditioned with maya.

Good stuff ! I think it was a quite slow to log on the first time but it seems pretty good now. Not sure if it is the computer antivirus or some kind of security checks the first time ?

I agree ! At first, I too thought that the louder sounds from right ear would eventually merge into the centre, but like you say the amplitude seems to have just increased instead. I think they do get somewhat more central as you go deeper but this may also be that the smaller amplitude on the left has increased as well. The scientific term for these different sounds on both sides is 'Binaural' -I think!! and funny enough, they have binaural sounds that are used as sound therapies for elevating mood and state of mind. I have also just learned that i must be in maintained state of 'sunn' for quite a while because I will get up every 2-3 hours in the night and do about half an hour of simran and then go back to sleep for another few hours. This morning, I think I felt the rom rom jap experience at a very heightened level. The rom rom jap was just happening in the heart and all I did was focus on the anhad and they got very intense and loud such that the next few minutes was probably the most anand of being merged that I have Ever felt. At the same time, I could physically Feel the dripping at the very back of my tongue along with uncontrollable tears with this transcending merge and connection with satguru . All i could think and say after was ''ananad paya meri mayi, satguru meh payia' I do ardas that this wasn't just a glimpse or a one-off, because I would love nothing more to be in that same constant state of sehaj. I just can't put in words the love I have for simran and waheguru.

Yep, that's exactly it ! This is how I was trying to say that it feels like a mind exercise and workout whereby we are strengthening our mind. The constant step forward, listen, then step back kind of thing and the repeating...makes it feel like a mental workout ! Thanks for your advice and suggestions. Don't fear in giving wrong advice. I think we both know that this is an ongoing learning experience that may be slightly different for each of us. We can only give our own experiences and not the way it should be or was meant to be. I am in no position to advise or give suggestions to others but I can try and tell it according to myself and own experiences. However, i can say that i spent a very long time going around on roundabouts trying to get on the path with different approaches, methods, techniques and then at the beginning it was just trying to settle in and steady yourself (which is still an ongoing battle!),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I firmly believe, that all these turns on the roundabouts are like obstacles that actually help to build up my hunger and thirst even more. Your personal advice, experiences and this whole thread has always been and still is monumental in helping my development.

Very uplifting videos by babaji. What i found striking was when he mentioned the short immediate jap of ''WAHE'' and then the longer enhanced ''GURU"" and taking it from navel up to trikuti. Funny enough, I've noticed that i have been doing this only recently. When I started and for a long time, I was EQUALLY japping 'WAHE" and 'GURU' together along with controlled breath. However, only since i have been going very deep and silent, have i noticed that my 'Gurooooo' goes longer with the longer effortless breath. Speaking for myself, this is the only way that i can actually get real deep because i think it goes with the silencing and stillness. The very important thing that I have realized is that simran and jap can never be the be all and end all. In other words, like gurbani and God himself the depths and limits can never be reached. The further you go in, the deeper it gets and the more space keeps getting paved for you to work through.- It's like a treasure of vast and never ending depth. It was Guru Nanak ji's ''ghat ghat bais nirantar'' - ''he dwells deep within the nucleus of the heart'' that invoked me to try and go as deep within as I could manage. I knew that i had to try and take my surti within to the max possible. Again, speaking for myself- I found it easier if i could first steady my mind with regular jap and then eventually really quieten and still yourself. At this stage, it becomes very silent and mental jap. You keep your body as still and quiet as possible and your breathing goes very quiet with longer and more shallow breaths. I actually feel as if with every long exhale- I am pulling all my energies in towards my heart, such that it feels all the energies getting centred 'vibrate' with every heart beat. Despite this sensation of yourself shriveling Inwards, at the same time your mind starts to feel as if it is opening up in a bigger and huger space ! The anhad naad and mental jap is all you can hear, but at the same time there is some kind of synchronization or tuning, that gets you vibrating and 'feeling' the naad and jap both together. Then once, I acknowledge this stage, i automatically try and concentrate on trikuti and just try to keep going. I can't describe in words how you get moments of being totally lost in the waheguru jap but at this same time of being lost and adrift, you also experience extreme clarity and control. It certainly does take effort and mind control and i'm sure that in some way it exercises and makes your mind stronger to help overcome the weaknesses of panj chor. Previously, when i would come across mentions of ''control your mind''....etc... in gurbani, I often interpreted it as using your brain and knowledge to make the proper decisions and courses of action..etc.. BUT now,- I feel it means a totally different ball game and is more about doing the deeper simran with mind steadying. They are, but sometimes i'm unsure whether to be following them or not ? Should i primarily be focusing just on jap and having them in background, or should it be trying to maintain both ? Sat veerji, i'm not sure if you will agree or have noticed, but a couple of things that caught my attention- - I sometimes feel as if there is a slightly different vibration or frequency in the left side compared to the right. Saying this, it usually feels louder and more enhanced on the right but listening carefully, i notice that just as much is happening on the left but at a different level. This leaves the overall feel you get at the center and slightly behind both ears. - The other thing i noticed a few times is that when i try and listen deeper into the sound then it can begin to fade away and disappear. Whereas, when I begin to come and take my energy focus from there and back in towards the hirda, breath and trikuti, then the naad begin to occupy their own space again. This is what gives me the impression sometimes that maybe I should just keep dhyan on gurmantar only? Maybe, it's just a little phase again and next week i shall have a different outlook on the matter. I can also understand what you mean about all the different naad eventually merging into a single tone. It's just like how all the colours of the rainbow/spectrum or even the chakras can combine together and give that ONE Single White light. From the single white light, all the colours come and into this same light they also merge together, Just as we All come from the ONE ek onkaar and together we all make that same One.

I like to think of NAAM as the highest level of consciousness of which this consciousness is manifest in all of us and creation. Our consciousness is like a power, force or jyot from the original Noor conscious. AND then, I like to think of SHABAD as the Vibration of this naam, that again, is within all of us and in all of creation. SHABAD is actually too huge an entity to try and define/describe/confine in a box or attach some label. I think that it's meaning and essence can change for all of us as we progress. Naam jinkey mann vasey, vajey shabad ganarey. - When you connect to or acknowledge the naam in the mind, then in this same mind you can feel/hear the vibration of the shabad.

I couldn't help notice the similarities in the ways outlined above with how I would describe it. From what i remember, I'm sure that I heard or felt the conch at first and I wasn't too sure what it were. I'd probably have described it akin to insect noise at the time. The Right side of ear-YES ! Then some time later I could say bells but I think I had read and heard about such bell sounds and i automatically expected a single bell sound, but what i encountered was many bells going simultaneously. Then after quite a number of different visual/trikuti experiences - where i actually felt i was stuck for a while, ...I think I encountered the thundering sounds of drums. The only way i could describe this was many, many, hundreds of drums going in a rhythmic sequence which reminded me of the ''battlesound of nigara drums'' mentioned in gurbani. I'm sure that Sat veerji may agree or remember here....that you actually hear these sounds but don't even realize that they are happening at the time because you are so absorbed in the jap. In other words, It is all going on in the background but you are actually in the forefront and captivated in the jap/simran. So, the sound vibration just continues going but up till some time later until your attention goes there andthen you self-acknowledge it. Here is when, immediately your surti starts to get withdrawn from the inner self, and you come out of the deep state. (and think to yourself..''that sounds like ....'') In other words, you take a few steps back and out into the background to acknowledge what is happening. Therefore, in all honesty I can agree that you should NOT go looking for them or be trying to think about your right ear or try to predict such a sound to expect. I have often thought that these naad come on when you are absorbed in a deeper,calm and steady state, and maybe they are there to distract you !! Because they have certainly pulled me out at numerous times !! The ONLY thing that i personally acknowledge them for is as a reassurance that i am doing my walk on the path correctly. Personally, i think i need this as an encouragement to get me walking and going further. I make it serve like a divine message to keep me digging and getting deeper through the veils and layers of ego built around my jeeva. I had probably read about some of these naad before hand just like some of you may be reading, and you automatically build a preconceived idea of some expected naad vibrations ....BUT, when it actually happens it is nowhere near your predicted assumptions and you don't even realise like i said until you step outwards on to a few layers of self-ego ! Also, just to add.. ... the only central sounds that i can remember starting central were the sounds of something similar to 'shainney' being shaken in rhythm. All others have seemed to start from the right side at first and either stay there at times or may go central- or maybe I don't really know because my focus goes on the jap/simran. and the brain stops telling me where the sound is coming from ??? Sat veer ji.... with the below- ......- I like to think of it as the Divine Waheguru ''calling me'' or 'talking to me'. Although, i can't remember being woken up by it, but i have certainly felt it quite loud when i get up at 1.45/2am before i get in the shower. When this happens, it pleases me and makes me really psyched up for a good blissful simran/jap session. For some reason, it puts that smile on my inner self that in some way reminds of the many references of ''husband lord and soul wife' in gurbani. I always sense that i am getting a little hint of the feelings that Guruji tries to invoke in these specific shabads about the love and desperation to be with husband lord. I know that this sounds a little bit egoistic, but it does help me relate to these references in gurbani more clearly. For all the members out there trying to grab these ropes, i strongly suggest that you always keep focus on jap/simran. Never start doing simran hoping to hear something new or expect some colourful visions. Always try to not get tricked by your self but instead make the EFFORT to find your true self. The other advise that i would give is to find your own personal method that helps you stay in the PRESENT. Being in this 'Present moment' helps to prevent you following thoughts about past or future. You want to try and experience or find your Nirgun(formless) self.(when you start getting a little closer or getting a few little glimpses, then you will know what i mean!) Waheguru works in wondrous ways. Please make the effort to jap and find him. For every one step you take forward, he takes hundreds more towards you. Waheguru

That's good Agree, some good clear material. I keep trying very hard to NOT follow any thoughts and I'm sure that the naad get clearer and louder when your surat goes totally within. At this stage, i'm sure that the thoughts do stop because you completely lose track of time and presence. When I say presence, I mean that you can't possibly be any more in the present time than you actually are, because when we have thoughts they can be in the past or the immediate past -like, ''what just happened'' or in the future- where you thinking...''what shall i do, or what will happen if....blah blah.......'' So when I try and think back about when I was so deep, i can't actually remember too much because there were no thoughts that were acting as some memory markers ! It's kind of strange because at first, it left me feeling as if I wasn't fully awake or aware, BUT i couldn't have been any more aware of my own awareness at the time. At the same time, my emotions and love for Waheguru are very high and so are energy levels. Whereas sleeping and eating is very low and it reminded me of the gurbani tuk that mentions ''Eat little, sleep little.....'' Whilst doing jaap, i get immense feelings of wanting to not just throw my self and jeeva into the shabad, but also onto WaheGuru's charan. I feel as if I had always been lost before and never realised that Waheguru was so close within and around me all along. What a fool and sinner I was. I kept letting the 5 chor direct me and the ego veils just got thicker and thicker. I'm trying and I sooo much want to get there to my true home. Waheguru

Dalsingh101, That's some good material you've shown us. You've down really well in learning gurmukhi and punjabi as a 2nd generation. I bet you know dudes in your age group that wouldn't have a clue ! I kind of made it difficult for myself as i did attempt punjabi school at age 9 or something, but no one in those days done any serious learning. I am actually in my 40's and a 3rd generation because my grandparents came over in1949/50, and my father was raised there in UK as well. He learned it pretty well because of my grandparents, but it was a different story for me being raised in pure white gora land. My father was very good and disciplined me well in terms of speaking and understanding punjabi, so i have never had any problems with pronunciation. Being self taught and starting to seriously learn after my 30's, i still have lots of room for improvement. I wish i could read it a lot faster. I do find that reading shabads and gurbani whilst listening to the audio helps improve it a great deal, and i do this as often as i can. Most of the punjabis I meet, don't ever believe that I'm 3rd generation born in the early 70's, and I know that nearly every 3rd gen. in my same age group got completely 'whitewashed' Most of the one's I knew got married to gorey and can hardly speak any punjabi. Anyway, you probably heard this, but the lyrics are quite strong. It's by a late 80's born and raised 2nd generation brummie lad. He went and studied in India to further his punjabi boli http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1KhHPTLRk9Q

Hey Sat, come on.... you have been more than just an influence for me If my documenting can help just one person be a better sikh now or in the future, then it's worth the effort of putting this stuff into words. It's difficult to explain what the naad or shabad sounds like but i have looked around to see if i can find anything similar. I have heard a few binaural beat videos at some weird frequencies that are supposedly helpful in activating chakras. These get pretty close but you won't feel the depth or the decibel octaves. I read somewhere that it is the 'primordial unstruck sound' - meaning the sound and vibration from our Mool or origin. I did have my doubts at first for quite a while and i am not sure if i was connecting to it in the same way ? (it's difficult to express in words isn't it) I know it's just the very basic beginning stage, but amazingly and somehow you feel very familiar and at home with it. It's as if, your jeev or soul knows that it belongs at home with it. This is what gives that unexplainable feeling of comfort and feel as if you have found a long lost treasure that was always very close by ! Do you get this same kind of feel or you comprehend what I mean ? I am keen to know if Sant Waryam singh ji mentions something in his books, because i haven't ever read them just a few parts that have been posted on here and other sites. Controlling the thoughts is probably the hardest part because you have to try and concentrate to not think ! I TRY and just let the thoughts pass or just let them come and go without following them. Then i keep getting these short moments of real deep 'being lost' where i feel so connected with the naad, trikuti and silent jaap at the same time. (what i have been calling the hint of samadhi) It's as if they all blend in together. It invokes feelings of tears/joy/anand/bliss......and then before i know it, i'm out of it and realise that i am sat on my bed in my surroundings. Then I try again trying to make it happen and prolong it. I have to keep doing reality checks with myself, hoping that i am not getting attached to the wrong thing. I often worry that i may be losing my focus to Guruji because these feelings are pulling me ? It leaves me a little confused, which is why i felt i should share it on here Some days i look so forward to having just a few hours of sleep before i get up at 2am, the other night i was so keen that i got up at 1.15am and tried going back to sleep at about 4am (still had this unknown source of energy).

I believe that i heard the same from somewhere............i can't remember if i read it or someone told me. But i think it's when the vibrations begin to start, because you get tempted to rock to and fro or sway. I think i acknowledged it and immediately focused on keeping upright and still whilst focusing on breath and jap. My goal now is mostly to try and get my SURAT as DEEP within as possible. So deep, that I no longer hear or feel what is happening on the outer layers of body.On the other hand, I have also had the ideas of trying to be weightless, blended in with the atmosphere around me and being the outer observer at the same time...! I don't know if any of these manners is more wrong or correct, but keeping still is a must for both. Just try whatever you feel is easier as long as you are steady.

Singh123456777 ji, you should just continue with even more devotion as N30ji advises. I too, used to ask so many questions to myself when i was trying to steady myself on the path. Even now, i still do, But my outlook is much different. My first ever bhagti attempts were doing 10,000 mool mantars over 10 days. I did these on 4/5 occasions throughout my student years. You know when your studying and it comes to exam time and you get desperate ? Well, I was a naughty boy for a long time, but waheguru kept blessing me with whatever i asked for. It's now, years later that I realise what fool i was and how my relation with satguru was purely selfish and conditioned. I was only ever good and japped naam when I needed to pass or I needed to pass to move on, the rest of the time , i was up to no good. I understand having the same thirst and hunger you have, and i always pray to Waheguru, that this thirst be continued because it's the only thing that keeps me on the straight. I have eventually realised but i still have to keep reminding myself that we all have our own individual experiences on this path. The swaying you mention is a good sign, because it's your body trying to tune in from what I reckon. Keep the bharosah, because waheguru will just surprise you every time when the blessings of kirpa come to you. For a long time, I was also very reluctant to talk about my progress and experiences. I think this is one of the first things i was told...""to keep gupt, or it will stop'' In all honesty, i still feel the same in a way because i don't actually talk about it to anyone in person except my wife. Even she doesn't ask or invade into this privacy of spiritual space, although I have absolutely no problem sharing with her. She knows and understands what my true priorities and purposes are. ANyhow, I feel it's OK to talk about in on internet because i don't know anyone in person and no one knows me either (in physical life). The privacy and personalization is still maintained in the terms of my mind and i don't think i would have got as far if i had not learned from others doing the same and exposing my progress as well at the same time. However, with this in mind, I do feel quite disciplined to not meet or liaise with any members in person at this stage and i have had to disregard a few invitations for active/real life communication in the past. I suppose it's just weakness of one my fears that i can't conquer !! But yes, feel free to ask questions and contribute your walk or climb. I say climb, because i often think of myself as trying to climb a mountain where i am at the bottom just trying to reach for the top. But i have to be in the right little spot where God throws down the rope to climb. Now, that he has blessed me with the rope, i have the duty to hang on tight and carry on climbing. And believe me, like anyone on a rope, there are many times when i just end up stuck at the same altitude and swing from side to side very vigorously. The thirst of trying to get to the top is what keeps my grip tight and i beg that i don't get tempted by the grease of my chor and maya, so that my grip loosens away. It's always a matter of grabbing even tighter and then waiting for it to get steady, until i begin climbing again.

Hoping that Sat and family continue receiving Guru's blessings, I shall continue a little with the wonderful and inspirational thread that Sat has contributed so much to. Sat has truly been a major core of my personal sadh sangat to inspire me to continue with more devotion. Waheguru I have been doing simran very deeply at times for the last few weeks. I have had this same sensation of jap entering the heart along with some other encounters. When it first happened, I got a little scared thinking that i had consumed too much coffee or some unknown stimulant, but then I suddenly remembered this description in this earlier post. It all started when one early morning at amrit vela, I went into very deep silent jaap rapidly. This was helped because even before i had started and was composing myself physically, I had already made my mind quite 'steady'. This steadiness quickly induced the Anhad naad at a much clearer and louder tone than usual which prompted me to go into silent jap immediately. I then found myself in this void of bliss and completely immersed into it whilst being fully aware and lost in it, at the same time ! I should also mention that i remember thinking that my breathing and chest movements had slowed down dramatically with me taking longer breaths but with much less lung capacity at use ? I thought to myself that this must be some level of samadhi where there were absolutely no thoughts that I was letting my mind follow. I kept going into this deep depth for a few minutes at a time and then realised that i had been doing it for nearly an hour. (it was about 3.30am now!) Anyway, that very early morning, I was so in love with what i had experienced that I couldn't even go back to sleep for the usual couple of hours that I normally do. It felt so familiar, as if my jeev knew all along exactly what it was and yet it seemed so new at the same time as well ! I ended up doing jaap non stop until around 7am and I thought i may be quite tired, but i was full of energy instead. After doing this for a few days then, one morning i started to feel the presence of the anhad naad very central in my head, compared to my right side up until now. Then at the same time when i thought that my breath would get shallow, my heart started pumping from real deep within. It seemed be in rhythm with a vibration where i could feel the naad, and all i had to do was synchronize the jap along with it just as Sat pointed out above. This immense feeling of jap in the hirda can only be described as another sensation of spiritual ecstasy. It reminded me of that feeling of joy you get as a kid when you receive a present or toy that was the best toy you could ever wish for........(Hope you understand what i mean !) But as a kid with a toy, this feeling lasts just a very short while, whereas this was being made continuous with the jaap.gave me In all honesty, it gave me an even more clearer explanation of ''Sachiya sahiba kya nahin ghar tere...........vaajay shabad ganairy' I'm not sure if Sat noticed, but because I have had these experiences just after 2.30 am or so...I find that again, I am full of energy and adrenaline. I have gone with just 4 hours sleep most nights but i still don't experience the tiredness in the day ! It's been a good few weeks of progress for me, but i have also encountered some of the obstacles you face along the way. I know i mentioned in an earlier post that i was finding it difficult to just listen to jaap and naad because i had been so accustomed to focusing on the trikuti. Now, i have actually stopped worrying abut that and continue to focus on trikuti as well as jaap and naad. I find this is easier because even in my kundalini yoga, I don't think I can experience the transcendent joy of heightened spirituality without the 3rd eye focus.-It's funny because sometimes you see your instructor demonstrating and showing you something and you think it's no big deal until you actually do it as prescribed whilst focusing on your 3rd eye. There are countless times that i do this and think to myself ''wow!..that's what it was about '' ! Therefore, with my current experience, I think that i should continue this way but I am also aware that I am more susceptible to distracting obstacles of visions and what have you along the way. I know some months back, I had some preconceived and mixed ideas of what anhad naad should be or will be once you hear them. And this was due to some of the confusing and not so straightforward references that i had come across. I hope that we can all help each other learn and develop by doing this with devotion and discussing appropriately. All the members on here have been the best listeners where i can feel comfortable talking about my personal spiritual progress and encounters. I hope we can all continue to share and learn in this manner. Once again, a big thank you to Sat for giving me this extra inspiration and reassurance. Waheguru

My heart goes out to you and your family. May all your efforts and bentis conjure some divine blessings for your son. Waheguru. With my hand on my heart, i can truly say that you should have the utmost faith in the lord. All the possible odds can be beaten at any time according to his will. He can change and turn around the master game plan whenever it needs be. I, myself, am witness and survivor of someone who has beaten the most incredible odds of over a million to one to be here today ! Therefore, i can never ever doubt the work of akal purakh. Have pure faith in his hukam, no matter what the outcome is. All the bumps and obstacles that come our way, are part of the bigger master plan which is always about his love and truth. Pray for strength and guidance for all around you. Waheguru

I think it can be doable as well. I don't think it's all bs, although some of the stories you hear may well be. Funny you mention DMT, because i also mentioned this a few weeks ago with reference to it coming from the pineal gland and contributing to sweet saliva taste ! The again, we have to remember that our bodies can make very small amounts of most chemicals within our bodies quite naturally. You don't need to be using any substances but meditation alone can get you there. Anyway, this astral travel has been spoken about since egyptian times and there are sakhis of our Guruji's being able to do it at will as well. I am one of the few who has no doubts about it. You can go in two different directions with these things just like the other ridhi sidhis that can come with deep meditation. You may either use them to feed your Maya and ego, or you may use them to find and get closer to God. I don't think as sikhs, we need to be reminded what guruji would want us to do ?? One of the major difficulties is trying to astral project at your own will, but then again you have to ask yourself what your real intentions are.

Sounds good ! We do something similar in the last 20-25 minutes of yoga where we all lie flat on our backs and move/feel all major muscles in body and limbs. Once we have consciously felt them, we let them all relax one by one to the point where you let go of all your weight and it feels as if your weightless. But like most exercises in kundalini yoga, we keep the focus on third eye. ...and it can feel very invigorating once you have got up and left the class. The instructor has recommended that we do this before sleeping and it is a mental way to just ''letting go...!'' I have never got or remembered to do it because i'm getting into the habit of just saying waheguru gurmantar silently and listening. I am going to have to work out a way for doing it because sometimes I do feel that i'm too focused and not relaxed enough.

I've had a few attempts at polyphasic sleep. This is sleeping for short periods more often rather than one long sleep bout. Short bursts of about 30-45 minutes throughout the day about 6-7 times. I often practiced this during exam periods at college and Uni, when you are trying to cram in as much as possible before exams, and it worked quite well ! I found that my concentration and alertness spans were much longer and that the short 45 minutes of sleep would be extremely deep within seconds. It's interesting that many of the geniuses like Einstein, Newton,..Franklin...all claimed to be fans of this style of sleep which is also sometimes termed as the 'da vinci sleep schedule' or 'sleep of genius' ! I don't know about any of you, but I also find that the hour or two I have after simran in amritvela is always the best, most refreshing and vivid sleep that often reminds me of the polyphasic sleep energy.