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Yep, very true. We are so close to having our own commercial taliban that the whole world can know about
I know this problem is big and really annoying, especially in UK

What ???
You seem to sound just as racist as any other real Brit !!

No, I don't think it was anything like this back in 70's/80's, for that matter 50's and 60's as well - since that's when my family first came !

I believe that Nanak ji is not recommending or suggesting the nostril practice.
The balance and steadiness can be obtained with normal 2 way nostril breathing!

Well, I wouldn't say that I have the same impression any longer !
I firmly believe that these jugtees and techniques can help us all.-as longer as we keep it within gurmat boundaries.

Whatever job you do, try to make it the company of sadh sangat.
This is the company or dealing with people that can help promote the gurmat sikhi within you.
It doesn't have to be the company of Sikhs in their bana, it can be he simple company of people wanting your help or one's that rely on your expertise. In these cases you should act in the best of their interests that helps your own spiritual growth.

I know that it is very difficult in many situations where you work for someone and they only guarantee your employment if you guarantee financial gain at anyone else's expense but that which helps your manager gain. In these cases you may be acting in the best interests of your employer and not the client/customer, for example.

No, I never won no lottery but I know plenty of people that haven't won and still don't have a need for kirat kamayee !

There is never any harm or problem going to any gurdwara and asking for your wishes.
If you feel it matters for some reason what the sex of the child is, then there is nothing wrong with requesting specifically. But please don't be upset or disheartened if he grants a different sex !
It's all about learning and evolving with the line of 'what you hope for' and 'what his hukam grants' !
This is one of the qualities of being a Sikh, to be in line with his command.

Me and the family went to see this at a theater with less than 30 sold seats.
Overall, I wasn't extremely impressed, but it was very pleasing to watch.
It started off very well, with a lot of emphasis and emotion shown in the earlier scenes like the janeo...but then after an hour it seemed like the classic rush job to get get the movie done. You could tell that the beginiing half hour was planned well, but the material shown after was most probably scenes that were chosen and picked together out of a another half dozen.  Maybe this was because I knew there were many other sakhees inbetween and then realized that it would be impossible to fit them in a single movie.
The depth of the sakhis and the deeper true message wasn't shown or expressed. It focused away from the spiritual significance of Guru ji's messages. Again, this was probably because some of us have done deep vichaar on the events and messages when compared to someone learning it the first time.
I feel that it had the 'missionary' agenda because it mentioned more on kirat karo, and vand shako as Sat mentioned in his post.
This agenda was more apparent with the Kurukshetra story which was slightly twisted in the direction of missionary 'meat' agenda
There was no core message of nam jap or going within and finding the harimandar.
I can understand the people that are protesting because I felt that there were some scenes where an actor's face from the side were shown and these were totally unnecessary.
The fact that we know the actor was not sikh, didn't please me at all and neither me or my wife felt comfortable with it...I mean if they had used an actor just for effects or to stage some physical moves, then the odd few seconds of 'No face' or the slight side would have been acceptable.
These few second scenes where it is clearly an actor and not a computer animated image, were completely unnecessary.
A moving animation wouldn't have been a problem theses days as we've seen them since 1988's  "Who framed Roger Rabitt" movie.
The movie would have appealed more if they gave some narrative with regards to his udassis and got to the depth of core sakhi messages. Even showing some stills with narrative could have taken the film a lot further by filling in missing gaps and time frames
 
I'm glad I had the opportunity to see it before it gets taken down. You have to watch it with an attitude to absorb it instead of watching to nit pick and find faults.  Glad my kids got to see it as it gives opportunity for parents to elaborate further.

I understand what he is saying about Prayag and triveni.   However, the physical interaction does not really come into it and it doesn't have to. It's just that our intellect tells us that they must have engaged in physical activity to conceive, whereas they don't. Remember, our bodies are 5 elements and so is maya. If you can go beyond that veil into the Truth, then it is possible to have no engagement in the 5 tat maya in order to bring a pure product of Truth.

Very true and a valid point.
As a born and bred Brit now living in Canada, I can truly say that the Canadians just don't get it or understand the sulay problems in UK.
Unless you have lived and been bought up on the streets of UK, you won't understand the core of the sulay problems there.

Did she matha tekh and bow down to Sri Guru granth sahib ji maharaj?  anyone know?

Sorry for extremely late reply. Not been on here for some time.
people will tell you different, but in my experience and as per my own journey; you are better doing this once you can stay antarghat for long periods of times doing "mental -silent" simran and attempting rom-rom technique. Once rom rom is in full blow, ie. continues effortly from intital kickstart, then you should spend longer periods of doing "dhyian" (putting concentrated focus on shabad sounds).  
You will find that if done prematurely. then dhyian and focus won't remain constant and mind will just wonder more than usual.
IF just starting out, then only attempt after you can go antarghat and remain in steady state (equilibrium)" Sehaj".  Then you can go back and forth with saas saas and sitting in dhyian
 

Hari Hari is a powerful mantar.
I've been attending Kundalini Yoga for quite a few years. I also do Bikram hatha yoga on occasions when I don't attend weekly.
In Kundalini, there are many mantras used and I wouldn't say har har is used more than others. Sat-naam is used, so is Wahe-guru, ang sang Waheguru, Chatar chakar varti, ek onkar satgur prasad, Gobinday mukanday as well as har-har-har-har-Gobinday........and there are a number of others.  
However, I've never come across  "HAR HAR Waheguru"  as you mention above(bold)
A few years ago, I mentioned on the meditation forum about how I personally experienced the power of Har Har mantra and I recently mentioned it with regards to it's pronunciation on Bhagat Singh's thread below..
 
You have to remember that the Sri Guru Granth sahib ji is for all of humanity and mankind. Doesn't matter what religion or origins someone is from, the gurbani can be applied by all. This is why it references shabads with different mantars and doesn't stick with single gurmantar. 
 
 
 
I don't know about that because "sohang" is in gurbani.
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ਨਾਨਕ ਸੋਹੰ ਹੰਸਾ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪਹੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਤਿਸੈ ਸਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥
Nānak sohaʼn hansā jap jāpahu ṯaribẖavaṇ ṯisai samāhi. ||1||
O Nanak, chant the chant of 'Sohang hansaa' - 'He is me, and I am Him.' The three worlds are absorbed in Him. ||1||
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ਸੋਹੰ ਸੋ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਹੈ ਜਾਪ ॥
Sohaʼn so jā ka▫o hai jāp.
Chant "Sohan" - "He is me.

I understand what you mean about the "he is me",  and I would also agree with your understanding. Nevertheless, I can explain about the technique/intention they use with So-Hang jap, but firstly could you explain what "Jagayasus"  means?  (I'm not sure if I understood it correctly)
 
Now, with the So-Hang jap. I believe they do it as 2 syllables of So and Hang. ... so-hang...so-hang...so-hang.....  They can do it in single breath or a So and Hang in separate breaths.
The idea is to get so absorbed in the sound of mantar; that it becomes both So-Hang  and Hang-So..  Should be heard as if it is Hang-so and also So-Hang is being uttered.  Similar to when a person can't differentiate whether one is saying so-hang or hang-so.  
This is their way to take you to jyoti-jyot milayee.   "I am him"  and "He is me".  so-hang,  hang-so
 
 
 

I was waiting to state this after I could sense angy15's next question brewing up... The missionary ..."Where in SGGSji does it say Waheguru is gurmantar?"
 

Sorry for extremely late reply. Not been on here for some time.
people will tell you different, but in my experience and as per my own journey; you are better doing this once you can stay antarghat for long periods of times doing "mental -silent" simran and attempting rom-rom technique. Once rom rom is in full blow, ie. continues effortly from intital kickstart, then you should spend longer periods of doing "dhyian" (putting concentrated focus on shabad sounds).  
You will find that if done prematurely. then dhyian and focus won't remain constant and mind will just wonder more than usual.
IF just starting out, then only attempt after you can go antarghat and remain in steady state (equilibrium)" Sehaj".  Then you can go back and forth with saas saas and sitting in dhyian
 

Sorry for extremely late reply. Not been on here for some time.
people will tell you different, but in my experience and as per my own journey; you are better doing this once you can stay antarghat for long periods of times doing "mental -silent" simran and attempting rom-rom technique. Once rom rom is in full blow, ie. continues effortly from intital kickstart, then you should spend longer periods of doing "dhyian" (putting concentrated focus on shabad sounds).  
You will find that if done prematurely. then dhyian and focus won't remain constant and mind will just wonder more than usual.
IF just starting out, then only attempt after you can go antarghat and remain in steady state (equilibrium)" Sehaj".  Then you can go back and forth with saas saas and sitting in dhyian
 

In my humble, but confident opinion,   . this pangtee is explained  out of context from the original verse.  :
The verse can be discussed and deciphered further if anyone wishes to do so. I'd be happy to add further., (although i won't be back on forum for a while)
 
Just reminding myself with the older responses from 2015 (page 1)
 
 
 
Below is the verse, .. and it's worth looking at it carefully (very carefully) and pondering over a few questions that I raised and asked myself. (at the end-below)
ਮਃ ੧ ॥ 
Mėhlā 1. 
First Mehl: 
ਵਾਇਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਨਚਨਿ ਗੁਰ ॥ 
vā▫in cẖele nacẖan gur. 
The disciples play the music, and the gurus dance. 
ਪੈਰ ਹਲਾਇਨਿ ਫੇਰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਸਿਰ ॥ 
Pair halā▫in ferniĥ sir. 
They move their feet and roll their heads. 
ਉਡਿ ਉਡਿ ਰਾਵਾ ਝਾਟੈ ਪਾਇ ॥ 
Ud ud rāvā jẖātai pā▫e. 
The dust flies and falls upon their hair. 
ਵੇਖੈ ਲੋਕੁ ਹਸੈ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਇ ॥ 
vekẖai lok hasai gẖar jā▫e. 
Beholding them, the people laugh, and then go home. 
ਰੋਟੀਆ ਕਾਰਣਿ ਪੂਰਹਿ ਤਾਲ ॥ 
Rotī▫ā kāraṇ pūrėh ṯāl. 
They beat the drums for the sake of bread. 
ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾੜਹਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥ 
Āp pacẖẖāṛėh ḏẖarṯī nāl. 
They throw themselves upon the ground. 
ਗਾਵਨਿ ਗੋਪੀਆ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਕਾਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ॥ 
Gāvan gopī▫ā gāvan kānĥ. 
They sing of the milk-maids, they sing of the Krishnas. 
ਗਾਵਨਿ ਸੀਤਾ ਰਾਜੇ ਰਾਮ ॥ 
Gāvan sīṯā rāje rām. 
They sing of Sitas, and Ramas and kings. 
ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਮੁ ॥ 
Nirbẖa▫o nirankār sacẖ nām. 
The Lord is fearless and formless; His Name is True. 
ਜਾ ਕਾ ਕੀਆ ਸਗਲ ਜਹਾਨੁ ॥ 
Jā kā kī▫ā sagal jahān. 
The entire universe is His Creation. 
ਸੇਵਕ ਸੇਵਹਿ ਕਰਮਿ ਚੜਾਉ ॥ 
Sevak sevėh karam cẖaṛā▫o. 
Those servants, whose destiny is awakened, serve the Lord. 
ਭਿੰਨੀ ਰੈਣਿ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਮਨਿ ਚਾਉ ॥ 
Bẖinnī raiṇ jinĥā man cẖā▫o. 
The night of their lives is cool with dew; their minds are filled with love for the Lord. 
ਸਿਖੀ ਸਿਖਿਆ ਗੁਰ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ 
Sikẖī sikẖi▫ā gur vīcẖār. 
Contemplating the Guru, I have been taught these teachings; 
ਨਦਰੀ ਕਰਮਿ ਲਘਾਏ ਪਾਰਿ ॥ 
Naḏrī karam lagẖā▫e pār. 
granting His Grace, He carries His servants across. 
ਕੋਲੂ ਚਰਖਾ ਚਕੀ ਚਕੁ ॥ 
Kolū cẖarkẖā cẖakī cẖak. 
The oil-press, the spinning wheel, the grinding stones, the potter's wheel, 
ਥਲ ਵਾਰੋਲੇ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਅਨੰਤੁ ॥ 
Thal vārole bahuṯ ananṯ. 
the numerous, countless whirlwinds in the desert, 
ਲਾਟੂ ਮਾਧਾਣੀਆ ਅਨਗਾਹ ॥ 
Lātū māḏẖāṇī▫ā angāh. 
the spinning tops, the churning sticks, the threshers, 
ਪੰਖੀ ਭਉਦੀਆ ਲੈਨਿ ਨ ਸਾਹ ॥ 
Pankẖī bẖa▫uḏī▫ā lain na sāh. 
the breathless tumblings of the birds, 
ਸੂਐ ਚਾੜਿ ਭਵਾਈਅਹਿ ਜੰਤ ॥ 
Sū▫ai cẖāṛ bẖavā▫ī▫ah janṯ. 
and the men moving round and round on spindles - 
ਨਾਨਕ ਭਉਦਿਆ ਗਣਤ ਨ ਅੰਤ ॥ 
Nānak bẖa▫uḏi▫ā gaṇaṯ na anṯ. 
O Nanak, the tumblers are countless and endless. 
ਬੰਧਨ ਬੰਧਿ ਭਵਾਏ ਸੋਇ ॥ 
Banḏẖan banḏẖ bẖavā▫e so▫e. 
The Lord binds us in bondage - so do we spin around. 
ਪਇਐ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਨਚੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਇ ॥ 
Pa▫i▫ai kiraṯ nacẖai sabẖ ko▫e. 
According to their actions, so do all people dance. 
ਨਚਿ ਨਚਿ ਹਸਹਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਸੇ ਰੋਇ ॥ 
Nacẖ nacẖ hasėh cẖalėh se ro▫e. 
Those who dance and dance and laugh, shall weep on their ultimate departure. 
ਉਡਿ ਨ ਜਾਹੀ ਸਿਧ ਨ ਹੋਹਿ ॥ 
Ud na jāhī siḏẖ na hohi. 
They do not fly to the heavens, nor do they become Siddhas. 
ਨਚਣੁ ਕੁਦਣੁ ਮਨ ਕਾ ਚਾਉ ॥ 
Nacẖaṇ kuḏaṇ man kā cẖā▫o. 
They dance and jump around on the urgings of their minds. 
ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਮਨਿ ਭਉ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਉ ॥੨॥ 
Nānak jinĥ man bẖa▫o ṯinĥā man bẖā▫o. ||2|| 
O Nanak, those whose minds are filled with the Fear of God, have the love of God in their minds as well. ||2|| 
 
 
QUESTIONS
1)   For what reasons and what "Intentions" is the dancing referring to?  It describes a group of people that have a name.    However, are these group of people imitating another bunch of people? ...maybe a a group that does something similar with different intention and as an act of serving / praising the lord?
2) Are they serving the lord with their dancing or are they serving their own maya hunger? " (clue is "Rotī▫ā kāraṇ pūrėh ṯāl.")
3)  The shabad continues to describe how other people dance with the daily sounds of grinding stones, the potter's wheel,  oil-press..etc..  This is referring to people that are doing the work of karams as per hukam, but it's not their physical body that is dancing. They ARE dancing in harmony whilst doing Kirat. REMEMBER- DANCING is expression combined with repetition, to the tempo of repeating beat or rhythm.  I
4) Can we see that there 2 groups of people described as dancing. One's dancing in display for intentions and fulfillment of maya hunger and the other's dancing internally whilst doing bhog of daily karams....  These karams are as per hukam and help contribute to the kirat.
ਬੰਧਨ ਬੰਧਿ ਭਵਾਏ ਸੋਇ ॥ 
Banḏẖan banḏẖ bẖavā▫e so▫e. 
The Lord binds us in bondage - so do we spin around. 
ਪਇਐ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਨਚੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਇ ॥ 
Pa▫i▫ai kiraṯ nacẖai sabẖ ko▫e. 
According to their actions, so do all people dance.
The above  describes how we all dance, but it's the "how" and as per "kirat"  that's important here.   Kirat karna, Vand shakna and naam japna  CAN ALL be done simultaneously in the form of dance(Yes, they can!)   The real significance of bhangra moves have a lot of meanings to them; They are about activities whilst doing  kirat (working in farms/fields) , there are  moves that mimic animals of the pastures,  the gadda(tractor),  preparing soil, sowing seeds... reaping the grain..cutting the corn....and many more  You need to think of these bhangra moves and music, minus the polluting lyrics that have infiltrated this traditional folk dance. 
The bani above says" ਪਇਐ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਨਚੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਇ  "According to their actions, so do all people dance.  and the lines preceding gave details of the different intentions.   Those who ਨਚਿ ਨਚਿ ਹਸਹਿ, (Nacẖ nacẖ hasėh) and will be ਚਲਹਿ ਸੇ ਰੋਇ  are the one's that danced for the physical dehi's intentions. The shabad addresses a few main points directly  that characterize different dancing, ...The "What or Who is dancing? and also the Who is one dancing to?  Is it to EGO of maya, or is it to the Truth of the Niranankar. This all depends on where you consciousness is attached and what your intentions are.
 It indirectly addresses EGO, since the shabad never mentions haumai or ahankar, but EGO is the reason of why One's body dances for intentions of maya, whereas, the other's inner soul dances in harmony whilst doing bhog of it's karams whilst doing sift salah of Satguru (HUKAM) ememeber what Naamdev told Trilochan about printing designs on the sheets whilst he was internally attached to the Lord. ...........

ਹਾਥ ਪਾਉ ਕਰਿ ਕਾਮੁ ਸਭੁ ਚੀਤੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੨੧੩॥ 
Hāth pā▫o kar kām sabẖ cẖīṯ niranjan nāl. ||213|| 
With your hands and feet, do all your work, but let your consciousness remain with the Immaculate Lord. ||213|| 
Then, why would dancing be a problem if consciousness is NOT on 5 chor, but on Niranjan.   We've been foolishly misled to associate all dancing with nowadays connections to kaam, lust and sexual innuendos. This is because of the lyrics and motives they use to market the dances and songs.
 
Sacred dancing has existed in almost every ancient civilization. The different variants and forms of worship have to be appreciated from all these cultures to understand the meanings of unison and harmony. The arti itself is a representation of the divine cosmic dance that has existed since the beginning and that will continue to do so. 

good stuff

cut down GARAM foods ....cut down spices,,,masalas and all that.
cold showers.....and real cold mate..until you screaming inside and lungs start pumping.
DO yoga and breathing...especially root chakra flow..........you have too much warm dark energy below your navel....this needs to be distributed throughout your body..so you can get cooler inside......when this heat starts to get released...you may experience jock-itch and fungal infections because it will be coming out of skin.. this will be easily treatable and then you may be fixed!......or it may start going downwards in your body in which case you get episodes of athletes foot-which is another heat related fungal issue,..again easily treatable,
 
 
 

Have a look at the below thread if you don't understand.
 
Five Tat realization and mastering is the key to conquering Maya in it's completeness. Why did Guru Nanak ji's body vanish and couldn't located?  .. because Satguru ji was able to completely dissolve his 5 tat maya sareer,  into maya itself, by his own will.
Many ancient zen masters have done this as well, and this is how they can do stuff like walk on water, disappear into fire ..etc...all at their own will....... because they've conquered those elements of water and fire.

I agree. I've come across a few of these over the years.  SHABAD is your GURU.  "Shabad guru surat dhun chela" , your "internal guide" and GURU Maneyo Granth is your sargun saroop who you pay physical obedience to.  As for the person in question "Charanjit Singh Gorkhi" , well I haven't listened to his recordings to make a judgement.   ADVICE-USe your heart/atma to guide and NOT maan. The MIND is a slave to ego and will calculate accordingly to convince you. MANNs wisdom = MAN-MATT

In all honesty, I personally feel it has had the opposite effect to a road block !
It has made me realise that i have a very long way to still go and there is so much more. As an idea, I feel it is ONLY a fraction (1/10th) of the complete journey to sachkhand.
The only thing that can worry me at times is that I may feel that everyone thinks I'm becoming introverted and detached. But I am far from that because I feel much more in touch and attached with REALITY.

Well said singh!  
 

If what you understand by pati parmeshwar is about wife worshipping husband, then what do you understand about sabh gobind hai ?
Do you think gurbani contradicts itself ?.....because that is what it sounds like.
Don't you think that you should try and understand or see gurbani so that there are no contradictions ?
 

OK, so you are in effect saying that Men have a different role in this world than women ?
Meaning, that women have an EXTRA duty to worship their husband ? and husband has a non-respecting/sit-back/easy ride ??........isn't that islam ???
How does this really make sense to you ?...