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  1. SSA veeray... yeah its all okay...you failed on keepin your beard and hair twice before not a big deal...we all make mistakes... but if your going to attempt to do it again...make sure you think everything out...talk to your family about it...cause in the end thats who you spend most of your time with...be prepare to change your mind set... Yes...changing your life style if very difficult, but depends on how we look at it...I just kept my hair last yr or so...and it wasn't that difficult for me...well it was...but if we maintain confidence, strength, and pride in being a Singh...then nothing is difficult... Yeah my hair is long, but its not long enough for me to tie either...so i tie like two joorayz...lol Listen man...if your thinking about girls...like yeah Girls are a big issue...but i'm sure if you decide to keep your hair cut, you would still probbaly find a decent girl who understands u and accepts you for who you are...cause it seems like it your in it for a true girl...so i'm sure if you decide to keep it later, the girl wouldn't mind...but then again, you can find the same type of girl if you keep your hair now anyways?... About going to Clubs...I personally don't believe thats wrong...just because we are Singhs, doesn't mean we should stop purposely on dealing with society and refrain ourselves from interaction with different types of people... But in the end, whatver your decision is...make sure you think everything out, and are 100% behind your decision, and never look back... Guru Kirpa, Gurjote
  2. Good post. Realistic, sensible and rational. ACTION is what we always tend not to do. Without doing anythinkg, how would you expect God to help you?
  3. No way possible, the US would do such a thing. That would mean banning muslims headscarfs, jewish skullcaps, and etc. The United States is a country revolving around religious freedom and diversity.
  4. Does anyone know of Amrit Sanchar Ceremonies in the NY/NJ/PA area?
  5. Taking amrit and becoming Khalsa is a change in living. I've also heard stories, where some uncle went into the sarovar and came back with a very bad rash? I didn't think Sikhism believed in rituals as the Hindus wash themselves in the Ganges River. Maybe its just the thoughts of being in the guru's sarovar which actually changes people. Waheguru Satnam, Gurjote
  6. Just another thing we Sikhs make issues out of no where. Naam Simran gives us peace, regardless of taking amrit or not. Taking amrit is for our personal benefit, if one does not feel the power, why "force" them to. Sikhi wasn't made this complex. Bhul Chuk Maaf, Gurjote
  7. Lol, my history seems to begin at 1984? MY HISTORY BEGAN in the 1500's since Guru Nanak started the religion. Do my views change as times change, yes. The Mohguls did harsh things to the Sikhs, bak in time, but I understand cause back then there wasn't much of a universal humanitarian law. I therefore have no grudge against muslims. 1984, was a big event. If your gonna laugh and mock me by saying, "YOUR HISTORY STARTS 1984," then please do so. All I'm glad to say is, I'm glad I won't be easily influenced by anyone or be under anyone's order, and as a Sikh I wouldn't have the audacity to drive a tank to any Gurudwara, specifically the Golden Temple. I'm just following on what our gurus taught us. FIGHT FOR JUSTICE, as once said by a great AMERICAN leader, ""Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." -Martin Luther King Jr. Guru Kirpa, Gurjote Singh
  8. Okay I'm quite sick of justifying myself. So will someone please lock this post. 1. "Dude, what's the need for all the extra words ?( ie: bullshit, beef, hell, and etc.) - and absolutely no need to type in capital letters." Oh I'm greatly sorry if my words offended you. It's a figure of speech. Curses are just made up words. Its not like im going to go to "hell" now since I use figurtive speech like beef, hell, and bullshit. But okay since I know there are more mature people on this post, I'll use adjust my language to more appropriate terms. 2. Please STRICTLY show me your reference not just state it. Provide link panji. http://www.rediff.com/election/2002/sep/17jk2.htm http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/20...article50.shtml http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20031002/j&k.htm#8 http://www.khalistan-affairs.org/Main/K_Ca.../kc04182000.htm http://indianterrorism.bravepages.com/the%...n%20murders.htm http://www.infopak.gov.pk/public/kashmir/H...ons-Kashmir.htm http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby...Encounters.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1001479.stm It is easy. Play reverse physcology. Any normal person would gather up the facts, and say oh "Militants dressed up in Army uniforms and spoke urdu," it has to be milititants trying to portray the Indian Army. But Militants arent so dumb. They know that the Indian regiment there speaks punjabi, so wouldn't they have spoken punjabi instead. This allows the Indian Gov, to portray the militants at fault. However, the Indian Gov sent out their troops and to speak urdu to purposely display themselves as militants. Think and the answers will appear. Terrorists there have been fine with that village. India did it, esp when Clinton was there, to show America how "HARSH" these militants are. If Indian can hide thousands of deaths committed by the government, what will stop them from altering DNA samples? PLEASE SHOW ME YOU REFERENCE ON THE "NYPOST." EVERYONE KNOWS THE BASIC LINE, YOU ARE A SIKH IF YOU SAY SO. IF YOU WANT BE KHALSA, A MORE DEFIANT SIKH, then the REHAT MARAYDA APPLIES TO YOU. READ THIS, PUNJABI NATIONALIST SUMS IT UP PERFECTLY: http://sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness/viewtopic.php?t=3923 http://allaboutsikhs.com/rehat/rehat_01.htm#Art1 http://www.sikhpoint.com/religion/ind_RehatMaryada.asp#1 http://www.searchsikhism.com/sikhi/Section1.htm http://www.sikh.net/sikhism/rehat_maryada.htm http://www.sikhs.org/reht1.htm#art1 http://www.sgpc.net/rehat_maryada/section_one.html AND FROM THE SIKH REHAT MARYDA- CHAPTER 1 The Definition of Sikh : Article I Any human being who faithfully believes in i. One Immortal Being, ii. Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Sahib to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, iii. The Guru Granth Sahib, iv. The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and v. the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh Bequeath, DEFINTION: be·queath ( P ) Pronunciation Key (b-kwth, -kwth) tr.v. be·queathed, be·queath·ing, be·queaths Law. To leave or give (personal property) by will. To pass (something) on to another; hand down: bequeathed to their children a respect for hard work. (dictionary.com) Necessarily doesn't mean take amrit, but pass down the teachings of Amrit by the 10th guru and encourge it. MIND YOU, the rehat maryda has been changed throughout history numerous times. SIMPLE AND IN PLAIN TERMS, if one loves sikhi, and is humble to be a Sikh, they are considered a Sikh. THE REHAT, is applied for the KHALSA. GURUJI implented this by creating the KHALSA, the 5 K's. Every Sikh is a disciple, they will learn eventually. AND WHO SAID THAT THE KHALSAY AREN'T SIKHS. CHARDI KALA, GURJOTE SINGH
  9. Well well buddy, here we go again, I thought we ended this discussion, but if you wanna keep going sure, I'll keep showing my opinions as well. Cause I sure as hell don't give up. But I'm wasting my time. Cuz I know you'll THINK the way you want, and I'll think the way I want. 1. "Thats like me saying, who says a Sikh cannot smoke pot? The Rehat Maryada, is the key to a Sikh's conduct. If you do not “obey†the conduct, then how can you be considered a Sikh? You may be on your path towards Sikhi, however you are not a Sikh until you have fully mastered the guidelines set forth by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Commitment comes along with being a Sikh, you got to give some to gain some. Do you even realize every drunk bastard, every pendu, every Shottu Mottu in Punjab who is born into Sikhi considers themselves Sikhs, even if they not even touched the SGGS once in their lives. They might declare that SGGSJ is the holy book which they live by, but it doesn't necessarily mean they know what concepts are covered in. All Jatts consider them self Sikhs, attend Gurudwara on Saturday, consider themselves Sikhs yet they haven't even abolished the foolish “caste system,†which is directly talked about in SGGSJ. I am not saying everyone is like this, but majority do not even have basic awareness about Sikhi and what it takes to be a Sikh. Every Tom Dick n' Harry can say “Boley So Nihal†, but does that make them a Sikh?" THE REHAT MARAYDA IS MADE FOR THE KHALSA. SIKH IS A PERSON WHO IS A DISCIPLE, LEARNER, SEEKER OF THE TRUTH, STUDENT, one who learns throughout his life. SIKH meaning in punjab "SIKHNA"- TO LEARN. If you believe in the basic principles of the religion, respect the 11 gurus, and don't speak against Sikhi, i'd consider anyone a SIKH. You stated, "You may be on your path towards Sikhi, however you are not a Sikh until you have fully mastered the guidelines set forth by Guru Gobind Singh Ji."...GURU GOBIND SINGH JI NAY KHALSA PANTH NU ESTABLISH KITHAY PANJI, he molded the GREATEST LEVEL A SIKH CAN ACHIEVE, this is the sikh's goal in life, to follow or be like the khalsa. 2. "Do you even realize every drunk bastard, every pendu, every Shottu Mottu in Punjab who is born into Sikhi considers themselves Sikhs, even if they not even touched the SGGS once in their lives. " So what? WHO AM I TO SAY THERE NOT SIKH...GURUS taught us to love everyone. Am I not a better sikh than they are than me and vise versa. Translation of Gurbani, "IM NOT GOOD, NO ONES BAD." Are you saying pindu people are bad? are we not allowed to have pindus being part of our religion? Who says one has to touch the SGGS, you respect the guru's teachings, YOU BOW TO THE SGGS. 3. "All Jatts consider them self Sikhs, attend Gurudwara on Saturday, consider themselves Sikhs yet they haven't even abolished the foolish “caste system,†which is directly talked about in SGGSJ. I am not saying everyone is like this, but majority do not even have basic awareness about Sikhi and what it takes to be a Sikh. Every Tom Dick n' Harry can say “Boley So Nihal†, but does that make them a Sikh?"" Yes, but these jatts are still learning, should we simply get pissed at them. Everyone needs faith in life buddy. Mind you not only jatts keep the caste system going, plenty of other fools do. From our knowledge our parents enforce it, it'll be slowly detoriating...So what? These sikhs go to gurudwara to attain knowledge, we shouldn't CLOSE GURUDWARA DOORS on these sikhs, EVERYONE, ANYONE, is allowed to attend Guru's house. Your definition of Sikhi, is criticizing and trying to make a Sikh sound like some sort of thing you have to gain. WETHER BORN, CONVERTED, or whatever, if YOU LOVE THE DAMN RELIGION, and ARE PROUD TO CONSIDER YOURSELF A SIKH, AND PROUD TO SAY YOUR SIKH, then why in the hell's world would you not consider this person a SIKH? 4. "The holocaust that took place in 1984 was not the result of the Indian Government but as well as the mentality of Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale, who served as the main voice for the “Khalistan/Sikhi supporters.â€At the time of 1984, Indira Gandhi was much like in the same position as George W. Bush is right now, she was not favored by the majority and all wanted a change of rule. However, Indira Gandhi being who she was first supported Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale and then turned her back. Bhindrawale should have been smart enough to not fall in her trap in the first place, and then he tried to overcome the Indian Government, there is no justification for Bhindrawale to have set armor/weapons in Darbar Sahib. It is not a weapon/battle ground, its a place of worship – no need of that stuff there. I understand the Indian Government may have not done or now even doing anything for the betterment of Punjab , but if Bhindrawale spent the money he spent on providing AK47s to teenagers investing in Education, perhaps the Sikhs would have had a voice in the Congress today, which today is deeply dominated by “hindus.†Some justify Bhindrawale's acts as being totally OK as his Gurus would have ordered him not to “sit back,†but did he ever think what would happen to “his sikhs†in the long run? What was Bhindrawale's, considered a Sikh by many, justfication for keeping armor in the Akal Takhat, when Guru Ji clearly stated that any fight or havoc should not originate in the boundaries of Amritsar? Bhindrawale's own mentality lead him to being used by the Indian Government as a scapegoat. The following passage justifies and explains what really happened and its something I agree with: “The point I am trying to make is that the whole crisis, of course, engulfed the entire Sikh community as it did, but was the result of either sheer political naivity, or a false sense of being all powerful while he was in fact being manipulated like a puppet just to destroy Sikh polity in Panjab. Three days before the Blue Star some highly educated friends of mine went to see Sant Bhindranwale in connection with the interference that was going on in Sikh academic institutions in Panjab at the later's behest. After the meeting they discussed the tense situation there. To the question as to what would happen if the army moved into the complex the answer was that instructions have gone out to every sikh that they should march on to Amritsar as soon as they hear about the attack (as if the army could not know this wonderful plan to oppose it), and my friends were told 'in confidence' that he was in contact with Pakistan and that Pakistan would recognise Khalistan as soon as attack takes place. Such naive thinking and the whole sikh community being held at stake cannot be pardoned. Whether he laid down his life or not his actions cannot be justified especially the way he hid inside the complex. He let himself to be used as a pawn in the internal congress tussle between Darbara Singh and Giani Zail Singh in which Darbara Singh had to go due solely to the role of Sant Bhindranwale. However, the gain of Giani Zail Singh meant the psychological and physical loss for the Sikhs worldwide. When people hail Bhindranwale they mainly do so to express their Jatlike tribal instinct where shedding blood means propitiating some hidden force which would automatically bring about the desired result. It does not always work. In this day and age, intelligence and objective analysis of the situation is far more important. Sadly, we not only lost Sant Bhindranwale who had that chrismatic personality which could have been much more useful to the Sikhs but we also lost a whole generation of youth and in the bargain receive this feeling of hurt which will stay with us for years to come. [source: Sikhnet] " LOL WHOA BUDDY, you have no idea what your talking about. 1984 IS NOT ABOUT BHINDRANWALE. IF THEY HAD TO KILL HIM, then why attack 40 other gurudwaras? WHY KEEP KILLING SIKHS 7 yrs after 1984...PUNJABJUSTICE.org...You are being so shrewd here, look at the pics, WHY DID WOMEN NEED TO BE RAPED, why did quotes like "WE WILL TAKE SIKH WOMEN TO OUR ARMY CAMP AND BREED THE HINDU RELIGION." THIS WAS AN ATTACK ON THE HEART OF SIKHISM, not just on BHINDRANWALE. " To preserve the unity of India, if we have to eradicate 2-kror [ 20 millions ] Sikhs, we will do so. (Balram Jhakhar, a colleague of P.V. Narsimharao, the former Indian Prime Minister) " The Sikhs are a lawless people and a menace to the law abiding Hindus ... The [Government] should take strict measures against them." (Pandit Nehru, Indian Prime Minister, on Sikhs) "Kya main taqat dushman (the enemy -the Sikhs) ke haath main de dun (How can I entrust power into the hands of the enemies)." (Jawahar Lal Nehru, 1961) " I hate the very physique of a Sikh because of the turban and beard. " (Vallabh Bhai Patel, late Indian top politician) "I don't give a damn if the Golden Temple and whole of Amritsar are destroyed, I want Bhindranwale dead." (Indira Gandhi, Indian Prime Minister, communicating with Gen. Vaidya during "Operation Blue Star") "We have broken the back of the Sikhs and we will get them elsewhere." (M. M. K. Wali, Indian Foreign Secretary, June 7, 1984, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Radio 740, As It Happens) "Let us teach these bastards (the Sikhs) a lesson." (Rajiv Gandhi, October 31, 1984) "... a threat to the villagers that all males would be killed and their women taken to army camps to breed a new race if there was any militant activity in their village." (Brig. R. P. Sinha, Indian Army, March 8, 1991) "You do not know the might of our armed forces. We will eliminate 10,000 Sikh youths and the world will know nothing about it." (Chander Shekhar, former Prime Minister of India, CK, 21st October, 1991) Do these quotes seem to illustrate how INDIA only wanted to capture Bhindranwale? In regard to Bush, I don't seem him going around killing, raping, torturing innocent CIVILIANS. AGAIN I STATED, BHINDRANWALE OR NOT, IM NOT A WORSHIPPER OF THE SANT, nor HAVE I READ SCRIPTURES ON HIM, some say he was bad, some say he was evil. THIS IS IRRELEVANT, whats relevant is what happened to SIKHS COLLECTIVLY. 5. "Would are gurus like it, if they knew that his own jampal Sikhs were planting bombs in airplanes and taking innocent lives? Bhindrawale didn't realize that Indian Government was using him as a scapegoat? Just because of one man's fault, individuals were tortured,raped, beaten, and lay in jail cells- this is NOT the Indian Government ,but the mentality of our own Sikhs back then. Indian Government were so clever that they eluded Sikhs and made them fall in their traps. You have consequences for your wrong decisions, and the suffering back then and now is what Sikhs face. You may have not brought Sant Bhindrawale Ji in here, but for your information 1984 occurred because of him." OKAY, INDIAN GOV STATED THEY HAD TO KILL BHINDRANWALE, but WHY thousands of other sikhs? WHY 35 SIKHS IN THE VILLAGE OF CHITTISINGHPOORA In KASHMIR? HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK SOFT TARGET, written by a christian and a muslim. THEY SHOW HOW THE AIR INDIAN BOMBING WAS CREATED BY THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT. HAVE YOU WENT TO PUNJABJUSTICE.org or seen any pictures of this atrocities? TESTICLE ELECTRCUETIONS, HANGING MEN UPSIDE DOWN, PLEASE PLEASE, I HAVE A PICTURE WHERE THEY DRESSED A SIKH UP AS A WOMEN, and THEN KILLED HIM, is this justifyable? YOU TALK ABOUT BHINDRANWALE DUMB, CANT YOU SEE HOW THE INDIAN GOVERMENT IS MANIPULATING YOU. 6. "According to the Indian army and media reports, the Hezbul Mujahedeen was involved in the January 1998 killing of 23 Hindus in Wandhama and the March 2000 massacre of 35 Sikhs in Chattisinghpora as part of a plan to ethnically cleanse Kashmir of non-Muslims. The group has claimed responsibility for dozens of attacks against Indian security forces. [source: NYJournalNews]" SOURCE WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT, THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT IS SO CORRUPT IT HAS THE WORLD THINKING ITS THE LARGEST DEMOCRACY, when it kills dalits, tamils, chrisitans, and jews in India. 2 INDEPENDENT RESEARCHES SHOW THAT the massacre of sikhs in 1998 was cause OF INDIA. AND BESIDES INDIA HAS FOOLED THE WORLD SO MANY TIMES, think with LOGIC. AMERICAN MEDIA is diff from ARABIC MEDIA, and ENGLISH MEDIA, each media publishes whatever the bullshit they wanna feed to you. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU. I HAVE NO BEEF WITH SHAHEED BHAGAT SINGH. I WAS JUST SHOWING HIS VIEWS on SIKHISM. JUST DISPLAYING THE TRUTH, since WHEN HAS TRUTH BECOME CRIME? ONE THING, DONT ASSUME, its people like you, that assume that a turban wearing person is part of AL QAEDA, never assume, research, get your facts straight, then argue. YOUR WHOLE ARGUEMENT AGAINST ME IS NONSENSE. 1. I NEVER ATTACKED BHAGAT SINGH's martyrdom for INDIA. 2. I NEVER SAID I WAS A FOLLOWER OF THE SANT. 3. I NEVER SAID I HATED AMERICA. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? CREATED ARGUMENTS BASED ON SIMPLY ASSUMPTION. AND LISTEN, IM NOT GONNA ARGUE ABOUT THE WAR, cause I CERTAINTLY KNOW, 50% of AMERICA WAS AGAINST THE WAR AFTER THE TRUTH WAS REVEALED. IN YOUR RESPONSE, u never show the true points i made. FOR INSTANCE, AMERICA WENT TO WAR TO KILL SADDAM SINCE HE HAD TIES WITH "AL-QAEDA" and HAD WMDs. SIMPLY SADDAM WAS NEVER A THREAT TO THE US. THINK THINGS OVER FROM A BROADER PERSPECTIVE, be OPEN MINDED. WE WANT OIL! HELL THEN WHY DONT WE ATTACK SOUTH KOREA, WHO SAID HEY AMERICA WE HAVE WMDs and were gonna do whatever we want. RAJ KAREGA KHALSA, BOLAY SO NI HAL...SAT SRI AKAL! I HAVE JUST SPOKEN THE TRUTH, nothing else but the TRUTH. -GURJOTE SINGH :nihung:
  10. yeah its quite funny, out all living things, humans have the ability to rationalize and think. Point of life? I use to ask me that, till I got sick of it. Appreciate this life, enjoy it, thas what God intends us to do. Otherwise, life would suck if we would always be asking this question everyday.
  11. What is the point of life? The point of life is to live it, breathe it, and appreciate it. Religion is here so that we won't even feel sad if we follow it correctly. If I'm not correct, someone please correct me on this, SIKHI doesn't believe in pre-destination. Sikhism is the most practical, logical, rational religions. Practice it, obtain it, UNITE with the lord WITHIN yourself, don't put false hope into wordly things, and you will master life. "CONQUER YOUR MIND, YOU CAN CONQUER ANYTHING" For more info please read this great site which includes rational answers: http://allaboutsikhs.com/mansukh/mansukh1.htm Fateh, Gurjote Singh
  12. Well Panji you have your own view and I have my own view. I'm not trying to CHANGE anyways view, was just telling the truth. Nor am I gonna try to justify myself. 1) "How can you assume things? Just because I didn't specifically mention them doesn't mean I don't hold them at the same scale. Its just that Bhagat Singh inspires me most , and thats why I directly appreciated his work and never did I say that Raj Guru and Sukhdev were not important. " Infact I specifically mentioned, " On a more serious note, I am proud of men and women who serve their countries and fight for the freedom of others." AGREED. 2) "Again, you stated earlier "How funny that people consider Bhagat Singh a sikh", well those "80%" were not all sikhs, that I know for a fact- cause never have 80% of Punjab's population followed the 'rehat' . So, how do you justify your fact? And If you have something against "Hindustan", or hindus for that fact, trust me they helped numbers of Sikhs in '84 as well, as portrayed in Hawayein. You can't generalize all in "one." Its game of life, people didn't give their lives in the Vietnam War, so that only Bush could be held responsible for the over 500 deaths decades later. In addition, soldiers of the U.S. in the past have not fought for "limited freedom" (as experienced with the Patriot Act). This is just one of those ways how things work - you lose some, you gain some. And also, many 'Sikhs' (Gursikhs to be exact) believe that even Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale were wrong...and those are the same sikhs that actually lived through the 1984." Bhagat Singh wasn't a SIKH cause he didn't even LOVE SIKHI, and didn't even believe in GOD, one of the basic principles, he didn't even try to learn. Who said one has to follow the rehat 100% to be a SIKH? I know that many of those believed in the SGGS, most people who CONSIDER THEMSELVES DO, and there last words fighting in battle would have been along the lines BOLAY SO NI HAL...Do I have something against Hinudstan? YES I DO, there was no justification in the 1984 attack? If you wanted to kill Bhindrawale go ahead, but don't attack gurudwaras all over India, and rape our women, and torture our fathers. And what did Hindustan do? Just sit and watched, police didn't do a thing. Is there a justification to that? Have you read the quotes of the Indian politicans at that time? I think any true Sikh would not appreciate what Hinudstan did in 1984. DO I HATE HINDUS? No I dont, I have friends who are hindus and muslims. Do I hate the INDIAN GOVERNMENT? Nope, but do I think what they did was right? NOPE, what our gurus like it, if we just sat here and didn't do anything for those that were tortured, raped, beaten, and still lay in jail cells? I oppose war only when its needed, this Iraq war was not needed at all. We went after Saddam since he had "nuclear weapons and so called relations with Al-Qaeda." Have we found any of those things to be true? NO. Then what did the Bush Adminstration justify as for going to war? "OH SADDAM WAS A BAD GUY." Do you know whats going to be the consequences, we are only going to spring up more terrorists in Iraq, they don't like our occupation there, young kids are full of hate when American Soldiers run into villages and search with a force for any "bad" people. If you have watched the New York Times/Discovery Channel or History Channel, and the documentaries on the Iraq War, you will see the fear on this children faces. Yes, we could have collectively gone to war with the support of other countries and the United Nations. Why haven't we gone after South Korea, the have openly admitted to having WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, why don't we go after them? QUITE PUZZLES ME. BUSH wanted revenge, Saddam never gave a threat to the United States, he wanted to finish what his father started and get the OIL. There are so many other "CRUEL" Dictators, and other countries like South Korea that have WMDs, yet we don't even mention them. And about Sant Bhindranwale, did I mention him once? I know he may too have been a puppet of the Indian Government, its all politics and corrupt, I never said once I was a believer in Bhindranwale. NO MATTER WHAT, everything that occured, for all those innocent people that were killed and tortured in the pinds, city, and etc, for those who I am fighting for, not for Bhindranwale. I'm sure if you saw your Dad being killed, or mother being raped, you wouln't be justifying 84 and would have more disgust towards the Indian Gov. HINDUS, MUSLIMS, are all good. THERE IS BAD AND GOOD IN EVERY RELIGION, I have disgust towards the Indian Gov. Do you know in 1998, when President Clinton visted India, in the village of Chittisinghpoora near Kashmir, the Indian Gov assassinated 35 Sikhs, trying to steer Sikh anger towards Muslims? This is the chaal and corruption of the Indian Gov. Have I spoke against Bhagat Singh? No. Have I informed many what his beliefs were? YES. Do I hate Bhagat Singh? No. Do I think he was a great freedom fighter? Of course. 3) "Perhaps, you haven't met a true patriotic and what it means to some to even say the pledge of allegiance to the US. If this is the case, I suggest you read here : [ I will post the link as soon as I find it again, I've posted it on this site before in a topic related to the armed forces]" I have pride for being an American, just cause I dont like the Bush Adminstration's theory, doesn't mean I don't appreciate what America has given to me and my family. Met a true patriotic American? Have you seen the reactions of veterans? They don't want war, have you watched CNN or MSNBC? reacations of parents whose sons have died? Do I support our TROOPS? HELL YES, cause thats what there job is. They have to follow orders, I also love the American troops and don't think that they had to fight this war. 4) "Infact, I'd say if not all every soldier currently carries, honor, and pride in being an American and that they do not serve this country for "selfish" purposes. Do you even realize what it takes (courage, willingless, and etc) to be in the Army? Trust me, its not an easy thing. We here in America - take freedom and other things for granted and do not even realize what they actually mean." I know that every soldier carries honor and pride and to serve this country? I have not spoken against the troops one bit. Do we take freedom for granted? No we don't. Right now America needs to stop their international support in every part of the world, unless where its unified. We should stop supporting Israel, and mind our own business. We always enforce our policies everywhere. After wars, we are going to expand our businesses into these countries, I'm sure Iraq and Afghanistan will be filled with American Coporations, money will come back to us. But if we really want to secure our freedom, stop butting into other peoples problems. Why did 9/11 happen? Intelligence failure, does this mean to secure our freedom we shall go to war everytime, and cause more terrorist to rise and spring back at us? No. Do you know that in Pakistan, the radical MMA party, and in Palestine are teaching radical islam to their young generations, in order to achieve world peace, we need to stop the root of these problems. If you kill Osama Bin Laden, I guarentee you, that won't be the end of this problem, but the start of an uprising. Example: Canada, minds its own business, peaceful country. 5) "Its true that you don't realize the value of something until you have actually had to live without it. So, be happy, if not proud, to live in America. No its not true "rich get richer" and "poor get poorer" , please read stories about those who have actually lived/living the "American Dream." If not, I don't mean to sound selfish, but I will tell you the story of my own dad for such purposes....When he came to America via ship, he did not have a single penny (and yes, I actually do mean a single penny) ....and today this is what he has to say , " That one of the biggest challenges I face today is that how will I teach my grandchildren and moreover my own children, the value of a dollar, if they right know it that they will not have to live a single day without it." To emphasize the point that 17-18 year olds aren't the only ones serving in the army, no general of the army, major, 1st Lt. , SMA, captain, Brigadier General, Colonel, Major General, LTG, GEN are 17/18 year olds. Whether you believe in this or not, Bush , too, gave service to America once upon a time. [http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2003/01/ma_217_01.html]...and a president is suppose to be a chief-in-commander and not the guy on the field, it is one of those duties that come along with being a president." When the hell did I say I did not appreciate America? I'm father too came to America from England, and America has given everything to us. America's a great country, you work hard, you get great returns. I have no idea where your creating my hatred for America, and don't reckon how humbe I am to be an American. I was born in America, you think I hate this country? No, do I hate some of its policies, sure, and is that a bad thing to do? Nope, cause with more diversity and perspectivies you only make the country better. The beauty of America, is that we can speak out against anyone, and yet still love this country. Do you think all those that protest the war in American cities hate America? lol, they are trying to secure our troops and the well being of the American people. Just cause one does not agree with President's policies doesnt mean they dont appreciate the damn country. Repbulicans hated Clinton, should I say now that REPUBLICANS DONT LOVE AMERICA? THATS TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS. 6). ""Sikhi, has given me a greater perspective, the whole point of being Khalsa is to look at world from a universal view. Otherwise, I'd still be always justifying how America is always right, etc etc. " This is your own personal opinion. But I want you to realize that be glad again you live in the US as you are allowed to have the following right : "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;" " That's not my personal opinon. When you take Amrit, I heard your suppose to drop your country, and everything, so you have love for the world. What the hell are you going about being glad to live in America? Can someone please show me where once I have spoke against the country? Maybe the government, but not the country. 7) "Please as I said before, it does not matter if Shaheed Bhagat Singh was an atheist or even for me it doesn't matter if he followed Islam, he still deserves the same respect. National Pride does not come with religion, are you going to generalize that I believe in Christianity as I am proud to be an American, where Christianity is the majority? Respect to Shaheed Bhagat Singh and others who gave their lives for the betterment of others as always. I apologize if I have said anything wrong or have offended you in any way - or anyone else reading this." I was just showing, what others may thought of him to be. When did I say natinal pride comes with religion? When did I say I wasn't proud to be an American citizen? I'm just trying to help out this nation for the well being, if you honestly care, you will respect others perspecitves and not just say there not proud to be an American. I love America, cause it gives everyone an equal opportunity, I was speaking out against the policies of the Bush Adminstartion. Thats why America has elections every 4 yrs, so if the people doesn't like the current government they can VOTE for another leadership to step in. I'm sure i'm not the only American who thinks this way, plenty of others do to, but rest assure that doesn't mean they don't LOVE AMERICA. I love it when I go to my pind in punjab, and I get the comment "Aay Munda American tou hayga"...lol CHARDI KALA, GURJOTE SINGH DHALIWAL
  13. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/sou...-home-headlines It seems these type of instances sadly only make people aware of Sikhs. http://cbsnewyork.com/njnews/NJ--SikhsAssa...urces_news_html This occured last yr also, when a gas station employee in NJ stated that he was robbed and the attackers cut his hair...its like come on, who walks around with scissors ready to cut someones hair during a robbery attempt? If you want to cut your hair thats fine, but please don't make up stories. After this incident, the Sikh sangat in northern New Jersey (specifically Glen Rock), are trying to build communication with there children. However, I still find it funny how Sikhs are still not well known and we are one of the world's largest religion, AHEAD OF JEWS. Yet, Jews are still known globally, maybe after Nazi Germany. But how many are well aware of the 1984 attack none? Whose to blame? OUR LEADERSHIP? Yes, the Jews have their own country, and Jews everywhere are united. I believe we need to do something about our leadership in India? What do they do? Nothing at all, just take in money and become puppets for the Indian Government. It's about time that western Sikhs start taking action and flourish the panth. We have the ability to unite, but yet we just fight and build new gurudwaras. Its sad how the United States Gurudwaras can't even have a national meeting or conference. I dont know if Canada, or England does or any other countries. But I believe, at least once a year, Sikhs leader should hold some global meeting to discuss matters of Sikhi. Chardi Kala, Gurjote Singh
  14. http://allaboutsikhs.com/martyrs/martyrbhagat4.htm http://allaboutsikhs.com/martyrs/martyrbhagat7.htm :sikhigrin:
  15. Well sorry to break it to you, 1984 did occur and I can care less about the freedom fighters of Hindustan, and Rupy if this is the case why don't you praise Raj Guru and Sukhdev, seems like your just praising Bhagat Singh just because he's a "Punjabi" or "Sikh." Times have changed, therefore my opinions on India's indenpendence have changed. Especially since 80% of Sikhs took their lives for India's independence yet we got nothing in return. Remember those 80% who died, would they have expected India to treat us like they did? I don't think so. They died for a cause, for a DEMOCRACY, not for an attack in 1984. And if you are so patriotic of about being American, then why didn't you post anything for 9/11 or the anniversary about Iraq War? I use to be one of those hyped people, all proud about being American, etc etc, ready to die for stupid things. It's funny, cause after wars politicans shake hands, and all those who die are not even honored. I don't see Bush personally going on the battle field, or any of the rich. It's all 18-19 yr olds who need money for college that enlist in the military. It's the same case, the richer gets richer, the poorer gets poorer. And Bush could've prevented this war, war shall be the last option, as Guru Gobind Singh Ji once said, not the first...and if you are gonna be so patriotic about America, and not admit that Bush was so wrong, you are driving your ego. Sikhi, has given me a greater perspective, the whole point of being Khalsa is to look at world from a universal view. Otherwise, I'd still be always justifying how America is always right, etc etc. Kinda off topic, but yeah. Chardi Kala, Gurjote Singh
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