Nirvair S Khalsa Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Note: Ragi Darshan Singh was very recently excommunicated from the Khalsa Panth by Thakat Patna Saahib for his nindya of the mahaan Bani written by Sree Guroo Gobind Singh Saahib Jee Maharaaj . Taken from Panthic Weekly - http://www.panthic.org/news/131/ARTICLE/4108/2008-05-16.html Ragi Darshan Singh: A Jathedar from Bollywood ? (Editorial) Friday 16th of May 2008 Editors After Takht Sri Patna Sahib sevadars issued an unprecedented 'Hukamnana' against the controversial Ragi, Darshan Singh, it seems like sheepish individuals and organizations are now declaring the Ragi a Panthic 'martyr' and an innocent 'victim' of some hidden conspiracy between corrupt 'Sikh High Priests' and the RSS. All of the sudden the bugle of "Reverence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sri Akal Takht Sahib" is being blown by those who have never shown concerns about the ongoing sacrilege being committed by the Ragi and his nastic sidekicks. Perhaps, its time again to ask the classic question: Where were they (these so-called Panthic yodhays) when: -Reverence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was being ridiculed and derided by those like the Nirankaris who refer to living Guru of the Sikhs as a mere book which is not worthy of more respect than a common library paperback. -The sacred Angs and Saroops of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji were being tossed on the ground and treated no better than ordinary newspaper or magazine by our own Panthic institutions. -The Authority of Sri Akal Takht Sahib Ji was being undermined by the likes of Gurbakhsh Kala-Afghana and other delusional heretics who have consistently declined to appear in front of this supreme Takht for their anti-Gurmat actions. The answer is nowhere. There concern is NOT about Reverence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji or respect for the authority of Sri Akal Takht Sahib; the concerns of Ragi Darshan Singh's supporters are completely different. Silent on Beadbi of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Why is the Ragi completely silent on the ongoing beadbi at Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee's printing press? Does the Ragi not have guts to criticize Sarna, for allowing such beadbi under his watch? Very conveniently, the Parkash of Dasam Granth at Takht Patna Sahib seems to be more of a priority for the Ragi than what is happening in his own backyard. Why ? Perhaps it is because he does not to upset his Delhi masters. It is obvious that Darshan Singh himself has violated multiple directives of Sri Akal Takht Sahib by criticizing the Bani of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, enshrined in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. The directives of May 14th, 2000, and November, 17, 2006 clearly mandate respect for Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. The second directive from Sri Akal Takht Sahib actually makes it clear that those who criticize the contents of Sri Dasam Granth are "mischievous elements". Moreover, another directive was issued on January 8th, 2007 cautioning the Sikh Community on Ragi Darshan Singh's misleading parchar. Yes, it is unprecedented for Takht Sri Patna Sahib to issue such a decree, but was it not the duty of the current Jathedar of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, Joginder Singh Vedanti, to summon the roguish Ragi for his continual violations? Perhaps if Joginder Singh Vedanti had fulfilled his duties as the Jathedar of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, this Ragi's anti-Gurmat follies could have been curtailed much earlier. Restaurant Hukamana by Kala-Afghanis ? Due to various violations, Darshan Singh has not been allowed to use most Gurdwara stages in his home town of Toronto, Canada for many years. Not welcomed in Panthic circles, his supporters had to resort to holding functions inside banquet halls and resturarants many times. It is a well known fact that several years ago, the Ragi participated in an Akhand Patth and Kirtan Divan that was held at the Congress Party member owned 'Lal Suhag' Banquet Hall in Brampton, Canada, where liquor and meat flow frreely. Like Paramjit Sarna, the Ragi's closest supporters are mostly Congress party members. It's a shame that a person who calls himself ex-Jathedar and lectures the Panth on Dasam Granth feels more comfortable in the company naastics and patits, who do now even know the names of the Nitem Bani Those are very people who last week honored him inside a restaurant hall for his 'Panthic' services. Incidentally this was the same gathering that "ex-communicated" Giani Iqbal Singh from the Panth. Ridiculously, the same people who deplored the Patna Sahib decree have in past issued their own 'matta' from within a "restaurant", absurdly surpassing even Giani Puran Singh's HukamNama issued from the Guna Railroad station. No complaints during Jathedari Days If one listens to Ragi Darshan Singh's current tirades against Dasam Bani, RahitNamas, and Nitname Banis, one wonders what circumstances made him qualify to become the Jathedar of Sri Akal Takht Sahib? During his Jathedari, he had frequented Takht Sri Patna Sahib, and Hazur Sahib many times. At both Takhts parkash of Sri Dasam Granth is done on smaller lower Palki in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Interestingly, being the Jathdar if Sri Akal Takht Sahib, he could have easily brought about changes to this maryada. Yet, he never once complained about this situation. Now, more than 20 years later he realizes the truth? Or is this just one big act? Darshan Singh: The Bollywood Ragi [align=left:5a57790124][video width=400 height=350:5a57790124]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1910633768311710762&q=darshan+ragi&ei=MgAvSKfiCKGM2wKl3a3pCQ[/video:5a57790124][/align:5a57790124] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=19...iCKGM2wKl3a3pCQ The above movie, titled 'Nimmo' was released in 1984. While the rest of the Panth was being besieged by the Indian Armed Forces, hundreds of youths had been killed, and thousands imprisoned due to the Dharam Yudh Morcha, Darshan Singh Ragi was busy acting in a 'Bollywood' type movie in which he praises Dusht Daman as the previous incarnation of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Filmed in the scenic foothills on the way to Hemkunt Sahib, the Ragi plays the part of a Sikh parcharik who introduces the trip to Sri Hemkunt Sahib by stating: "ਗੁਰਮੁਖ ਪਿਆਰੀ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤ ਜੀ…ਭਾਗਾਂ ਵਲੇ ਹੋ ! ਅੱਜ ਅਸੀਂ ਮਹਾਨ ਤਪੱਸਵੀ ਦੁਸ਼ਟ ਦਮਨ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਤਪ ਅਸਥਾਨ ਹੇਮਕੁੰਟ ਦੇ ਦਰਸ਼ਨਾ ਲਈ ਜਾ ਰਹੇ ਹਾਂ…" He then narrates the story stating Guru Teg Bahdur Sahib in his previous life was also a tapasvi, and he was being disturbed by the Rakshahs (demons) that were looking for Durga Devi. Ragi Darshan Singh then states "at that time Guru Gobind Singh appeared as Dusht Daman and eliminated the Rakshahs (demons)." The Ragi then is shown leading his yatrees to Sri Hemkunt Sahib, while continuously waving his arms and singing the last verses of Charitropakhyaan known as Chaupai Sahib and hiking to the Gurdwara Sahib and the Sarovar. Compare the above scene to the irrational anti-Dasam Bani outbursts by Ragi from the stages of Gurdwara Rakabganj Sahib in January 2008. One wonders if he is really a Panthic parcharik, a stage actor, or a politician. True Panthic parchariks do not star in Bollywood movies or rub shoulders with the corrupt and crooked politicians. Take a look at this Ragi's road trip from Bollywood to taking on the Patna Sahib Takht. Posing for a publicity shot. Bollywood Actor or Ragi ? Ragi Darshan Singh with Panthic-Dusht Surjit Barnala and a young Giani Kewal Singh Ragi with Shshil Muni : Backroom deals with Indian Goverment liaisons Ragi and Puran Singh : A Jathedari of convenience Blessings from one of his Delhi masters - Avtar Hitt Another of his Delhi masters, Buta Singh, who was ex-communicated from the Panth in the 1980s Is Ragi nothing more than a stage actor? If paid in kind, he can sing praises of Dusht Daman, and the Jajharoos. Now that his masters have changed - so has his message and tone. We can not blame just Giani Iqbal Singh, but the Ragi himself, for undermining, the very concept of Miri-Piri that he purported to have stood for, when he was the Jathedar of the Takht Sahib. With what face can those who have come out in support of this mischievous Ragi call themselves supporters of Sri Akal Takht Sahib? The same people openly violate HukamNamas from Akal Takht Sahib but for publicity stunts claim to be supporters of Akal Takht Sahib. Those who undermine it have been historically cast away and discarded. This authority can not be challenged by anyone; whether it is Ambala, Bhasuaria, Kala-Afghana, or the Ragi himself. The same will happen to those who assist and sympathize with such heretics and mischiefs. Sikh Sangat should be wary of efforts of those like Prof. Darshan Singh who claim to be sympathizers of Akal Takht Sahib but in reality they want to destroy the very basis of the Sikh faith. Their fight is not with Takat Sri Patna Sahib, for the Takht's actions are not even the issue, the fight is really against anyone who stands for the propagation of the Khalsa Panth. Those who have shamefully aligned with the Ragi should question themselves whether by countering the 'mandate' of Takht Sri Patna Sahib they are working to preserve the status of Akal Takht Sahib or trying to hide the mistakes committed by the Ragi. Editors can be reached at editors@panthic.org 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Kharag Singh Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Ill tell you who else is a bollywood ragi, that idiot joginder "singh" riar. If i ever met him id re-arrange his face into a bollywood painting. The amount of distortion of Satgurus hukkam that, that guy has done is unbelievable! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvair S Khalsa Posted May 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 In regards to the article posted above, please note the following (in italics) posted by Veer "Namstang" Jee on another forum: --------------------------------------------------------------------- As much i like to see darshan singh to be excommunciate from the panth...last thing i would do is consider what panthic.org had to say as reliable...they do photo guerilla journalism which is hardly consider as reliable source in the journalism. eg- "Ragi with Shshil Muni : Backroom deals with Indian Goverment liaisons" Now you may call this nit-picking but shshil muni is famous jain preacher/saint, it has nothing to do with indian government or sarkar. We should be very careful when we read stuff from panthic.org, in the past articles they have proven, they are defending truth by false bias reports/guerilla photo journalism. All they have to offer is an pictorial journalism and take them out of context and push that as credible source. EG- 1. I just happen to be walking on a side walk, i get encounter with prostitute, she asks for direction, i treat her as human being and stand still for a moment give her an direction, here comes an arrogrant sevadar of panthic police takes my picture, post it next day in his "panthic" report with full blast mirch masala, oh look at this preacher, makin deal with prostitute..MAHA MANMAT!!!!!!! 2. I just happen to be walking around in streets of india, this rss guy who is very well known in public, ask me for 50 rupee change, i give him change thinking as a favor to an human being instead of looking at his political stance, around this exchange, comes an another arrogrant panthic sevadar of panthic police takes my picture against, post it next day in his "panthic report with full full blast mirch masala, oh look at him, supporting rss fiancially.. MAHA MANMAT. 3. I go to an samagam rehensbhai walking towards darbar, singhani unintentionally drops an receipt who appears as a note, i picked it up thinking its important to give her the receipt back, i say excuse me ji, you dropped this, gave her receipt which appears to be an note, during this exchange, some arrogrant panthic sevadar of panthic police takes a picture during this exchange, post in his "panthic report" with full blast mirch masala /taken fully out of context, oh look at him, harrasing an singhani in rehensbhai giving her note asking her for date. MAHA MANMAT, Obviously when my wife finds out, she picks up an soti and sort me out..lol.. sorry for going off-topic.. just trying to prove a point.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Kharag Singh Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 I have to say veer namastang has a point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithr Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 When I was a kid, I had so much respect for Prof Darshan Singh. Back then he even use to beleive in Dasam bani. But I don't know what happened to him recently. He along with alot of socalled schollars (missionaries) have totally abandoned Dasam Bani. Only Guru Sahib can allow us to keep Sikhi. Otherwise, if guru Sahib's protective hand is no longer over our heads, then I doubt we will remain Sikhs for very long. That is why we need to pray to Guru Sahib and beg them to allow us to keep Sikhi i.e. Sikhi Daan. As for Panthic.org. We need to understand is that guru Sahib takes seva from all of us some how or the other. I may not agree 100% with Panthic.org but with their Masala filled articles against these Anti-Dasam Granth crew they are doing a great job. We should stand against them where we disagree with them. But if they are writing mirch-masala filled articles against these Dasam Bani Nindaks, then we should avoid publically ridiculding their integrity, because that might influance some youngsters who otherwise might beleive them on the issue of Dasam Granth. Right now, these Anti dasam Granth people need schollars and these types of reporters to fight against them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvair S Khalsa Posted May 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Veer "Namstang" Jee has made excellent points, but also good points by Veer "Mithr" Jee which are to be agreed with... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbreakable Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 .. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithr Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 I am just wondering, what exactly has Prof Darshan Singh done? He is changing his views to the same views as Kala Afghana's views. Because of the respect and admiration the Panth has for Prof Darshan Singh Jee, he is also doing Parchar of his new Naastic Kala Afghanist views which can have very negative consequences for the Panth as he has alot of influance within the Panth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbreakable Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 .. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithr Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Can anybody please show some proof? Does anybody have a recording of his talks where he says this? I believe he used to be the Jathedhar of Sri Akaal Takhat once. I find some of the information in that panthic.org article misleading, especially the pictures. I wrote to them and have had no reply. I don't believe that a Sikh Media channel should in anyway put "masala" on an already wrong which is being done, this is not what a Sikh does. If I know Prof Darshan Singh, he will not go away quitely, he will have some valid points. i.e. How the Badal "super Jatt" is running the SGPC and ordering the Jatherdhars. Prof Darshan Singh has not written his new views in books yet. But he expresses these new views in talks he holds with Sangat. He has openly questioned Dasam Bani recently. When Prof Inder Singh Ghagha was ex communicated from the Panth, Prof Darshan Singh openly sided with Inder Singh Ghagha saying that he supports the views of Inder Singh Ghagha. Inder Singh Ghagha Jee is the man who openly expresses and even writes down his views against Dasam Bani, changing Sikh history as being mythological, and denying many Sikh spiritual concepts like Naam, power of Gurbani. If Prof Darshan Singh can support these views, then I think that Parchar needs to be done to expose Prof Darshan Singh new anti-Gurmat views. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 lol seriously, who reads panthic.org? lol @ wannabe journalists. Aljazeera is less biased! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithr Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 So Fateh Singh, I take it that you beleive in prof Darshan Singh's new view? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbreakable Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 .. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Mithr pyare, nope. I don't agree with either the prof. who attacks Bani or the super-biased news organization that attacks the prof. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malwe Da Sher Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Unbreakable, heres some info for you: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...8TkCg&hl=en 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithr Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Mithr, some people have a BIG PROBLEM when questioned on this site. Where is the Proof? for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you have said, Proof has to be given. Please, I ask again, Proof. You mention a Talk, recording, where is it? Forgive me, until any proof is given, I refuse to label anybody with anything. If that is the case, then we should question our so called leaders, the Jatherdhars of Akaal Takhat, who have made a complete Joke out of the Akaal Takhat and its position. We should highlight how Badal the Super Jatt is pulling the strings at Amritsar. These people are diverting the Panths attention from what really is going on and we are too blind to see this. veer I don’t keep Punjabi newspaper/magazine clippings in handy to show as proof for what Prof Darshan Singh believes in. If you don't believe in what Panthic.org has to say, then I would suggest you read Punjabi newspapers and magazines which give weakly news and updates on Panthic and Punjabi issues to stay more informed. I always say that one should never rely on English media or literature when it comes to Sikh based issues. As for what Badal & co is doing, that again is highlighted a lot in Punjabi media. How he manages to still stay in power is another topic altogether. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylitol Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 http://www.santsipahi.org/patshahi10/index.html news adn excellent writings about dasam bani on here as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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