amardeep Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh. I was wondering what the meaning of the 7. pauri in japji sahib is where it talks about the importance of listening. it states: SuṇiÂai siḏẖ pīr sur nāth. Listening-the Siddhas, the spiritual teachers, the heroic warriors, the yogic masters. SuṇiÂai ḏẖaraṯ ḏẖaval ākās. Listening-the earth, its support and the Akaashic ethers. SuṇiÂai ḏīp loÂa pāṯāl. Listening-the oceans, the lands of the world and the nether regions of the underworld. it talks about listening, and then mentions some figures etc. what do these gain by listening, does it say? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh. it talks about listening, and then mentions some figures etc. what do these gain by listening, does it say? The next lines have your answer: Nanak, Bhagta Sad Vigas; Suniay Dukh Paap Ka Naas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted June 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 The devoteess are ever in bliss. yes that was also what i thought, but what does this have to do with oceans, lands, nether regions, earth etc? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Amardeep, if your serious about learning arth of japji Sahib, you need to learn from real Gyaanis. This is an excellent starting point: http://spiritualityexperience.org/MP3/JapJi/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabatam Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 According to my understanding, suniya would be just listening to one intuitive awareness in stillness/ silence/quietness when mind is quiet in meditation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 How funny, i've been looking at these verses over and over again in the last couple of weeks. Funny I was also interested in these verses back in 2008. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 6/18/2008 at 10:16 AM, amardeep said: Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh. I was wondering what the meaning of the 7. pauri in japji sahib is where it talks about the importance of listening. it states: SuṇiÂai siḏẖ pīr sur nāth. Listening-the Siddhas, the spiritual teachers, the heroic warriors, the yogic masters. SuṇiÂai ḏẖaraṯ ḏẖaval ākās. Listening-the earth, its support and the Akaashic ethers. SuṇiÂai ḏīp loÂa pāṯāl. Listening-the oceans, the lands of the world and the nether regions of the underworld. it talks about listening, and then mentions some figures etc. what do these gain by listening, does it say? The suniyai lines follow on from the gaviah lines about who sings and does sift salah of akaal purakh.. These are the 1st "gavieh" lines and refer to sift salah on our world here. The suniyai is telling us about ALL that listen to the Primal shabad, the Ik-ong. . Refers to this the planet, the skies, the stars in fact the whole of consciousness hears this primal shabad. YES, it will be heard i space with sukham ears Later in japji, the gavieh lines come again, but are referring to all those "mannai" (chosen faithful ones), th=tand at sing outside the darbar of Akaal purakh. VERY IMPORTANT to understand this because the same lines are repeated exactly in so dar rag asa of rehiras for the evening. There is another important reason why the same so dar keha and gavai tudhn pangtees need to be recited in the evening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 6/18/2008 at 11:03 AM, amardeep said: The devoteess are ever in bliss. yes that was also what i thought, but what does this have to do with oceans, lands, nether regions, earth etc? It's about them listening because they CAN hear it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) Kavi Santokh Singh gives a plurality of meanings to the suniai lines, - the first being a praise of the art of listening. By listening (to peoplw with wisdoom and knowledge), the siddhs, peers, sur etc attained their high status. by listening to people of knowledge you aquire knowledge about the planets, solar systems etc.. So it has more of a secular tone to it - listen to people with knowledge.. However, the last meaning is given as specifically as listening to the name of God , hence a more of a spiritual meaning, which is also the one given by the normal english translation, Faridkot teeka (ਅਬ ਚਾਰ ਪੌੜੀਆਂ ਮੈਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਨਾਮ ਦੇ ਸੁਣਨੇ ਦਾ ਮਹਾਤਮੁ ਕਥਨ ਕਰਤੇ ਹੈਂ), Sahib Singh teeka and Lucky's analysis above. Edited January 6, 2018 by amardeep 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabatam Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Here is another interpretation: Suanie pauri- updesh of satguru nanak dev ji is for beginners to engage deeply in deep deep listening deeply listening to shabad/gyan (mahavak) with surat(consciouness) as shabad and its gyan(mahavak)- eternally inherently absolutely present in every one and every time.Manaie pauri would be deep acknowledgement/acceptance of mahavak-shabad gyan with full receptivity and full acceptance of what is-divine will without any resistance and go towards in the meditation which would further purify our surat(intuitive understanding/consciousness)Nidashan- deep contemplation or understanding or meditative abidance or feeling of (mahavak gyan- which further purify one surat and will blossom gyan flower in one's surat (intuitive consciousness) firstly as undertanding- parkosh gyan and then as realization- aparkosh gyan-bhramgyan Mahavak thread: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabatam Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Since we are at it at such a insightful topic, can someone share their thoughts on Sunye Laigee Sehaj Dhyan || I look at the above gurbani pankiti as - glimpse or abidance in sehaj avastha-equipoise equilibrium ease (sehaj) while deep listening in quietude. Your thoughts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 hour ago, sarabatam said: Since we are at it at such a insightful topic, can someone share their thoughts on Sunye Laigee Sehaj Dhyan || I look at the above gurbani pankiti as - glimpse or abidance in sehaj avastha-equipoise equilibrium ease (sehaj) while deep listening in quietude. Your thoughts? As Sehaj can refer to patience, one possible meaning could be that by listening to Gurbani, your dhyan will gradually become intense. Maybe also advising the spiritual seeker to be patient in his approach, meaning not to expect very quick results (it will take time to increase concentration levels) in his spiritual progress. Sehaj could also mean naturally. So, another meaning could be that if you keep listening to Gurbani with concentration, you will achieve the state where you will be able to naturally (or easily) focus on the Shabad (whether originating inside or outside the body). Sehaj could also mean peace. So, another meaning could be that if you keep your focus on the Shabad and keep listening to Gurbani, then you will attain intuitive/eternal peace. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfinder Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 http://www.sikhiness.com/japji-sahib-pathwith-meaning-in-punjabi/ I will try to add katha links on the pauris for Japji Sahib by different kathakars later 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfinder Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Here is Katha By Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindrawale Listen after 05 mins http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/01_Puratan_Katha/Sant_Gurbachan_Singh_(Bhindran_wale)/Guru_Granth_Sahib_Larivaar_Katha/Volume_01_Ang_0001-0070/10--Sant.Gurbachan.Singh.(Bhindran.wale)--Japuji.Sahib--Ang.2.mp3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, sarabatam said: Since we are at it at such a insightful topic, can someone share their thoughts on Sunye Laigee Sehaj Dhyan || I look at the above gurbani pankiti as - glimpse or abidance in sehaj avastha-equipoise equilibrium ease (sehaj) while deep listening in quietude. Your thoughts? If one listens to Gurbani in a peaceful environment, then that person will be able to concentrate better on it. If one listens to Gurbani with a peaceful (calm and composed) mind, then that person will be able to concentrate better on it. Sehaj can mean Gyan too. Therefore, If one concentrates on Gurbani with Gyan, then that person will be able to listen to the various sounds (Anhat Naads) present within the body. If one concentrates on Gurbani with Gyan, then that person will be able to listen to the Anhad Naad (voice/sound of Waheguru) within the body. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Sehaj could mean unshakable. Therefore, By listening to Gurbani, one will attain unshakable concentration/samadhi. This unshakable state will not be affected, even if the body is cut limb by limb (Shaheed Baba Mani Singh jee), or if the body is cut into two halves (Shaheed Bhai Mati Das jee), etc. Sehaj could mean habit. Therefore, Making the act of listening to Gurbani as a habit will ensure that a person attains equilibrium poise. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, paapiman said: Sehaj can mean Gyan too. Therefore, Another arth - If one concentrates and listens to Gurbani, then that person will attain the highest form of Gyan, which is Brahamgyan. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 On 1/6/2018 at 5:01 PM, sarabatam said: Since we are at it at such a insightful topic, can someone share their thoughts on Sunye Laigee Sehaj Dhyan || The above tuk is also related to a very deep Pauri in Sri Anand Sahib jee. This Pauri answer how one can attain Sehaj Avastha and what happens when one reaches that stage. ਕਰਮੀ ਸਹਜੁ ਨ ਊਪਜੈ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਹਜੈ ਸਹਸਾ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਨਹ ਜਾਇ ਸਹਸਾ ਕਿਤੈ ਸੰਜਮਿ ਰਹੇ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਏ ॥ ਸਹਸੈ ਜੀਉ ਮਲੀਣੁ ਹੈ ਕਿਤੁ ਸੰਜਮਿ ਧੋਤਾ ਜਾਏ ॥ ਮੰਨੁ ਧੋਵਹੁ ਸਬਦਿ ਲਾਗਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਰਹਹੁ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਸਹਜੁ ਉਪਜੈ ਇਹੁ ਸਹਸਾ ਇਵ ਜਾਇ ॥੧੮॥ Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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