Malwe Da Sher Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 The Nihangs are still preserving their martial heritage and keeping alive their warrior traditions. Nirmale in all their forms are still learning the great lanuages and philosophy of India and actively teaching amongst and the masses as are udasis and sevapanthi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 The Nihangs are still preserving their martial heritage and keeping alive their warrior traditions. Nirmale in all their forms are still learning the great lanuages and philosophy of India and actively teaching amongst and the masses as are udasis and sevapanthi. That's true. Although it would be nice to see Nihangs have a Taksal of their own where one can go get some Sikhiyaa about Gurmat. Currently many Nihangs go and learn from DDT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustME Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 That is a question you ought to ask the sampradayas themselves. Yes......erm.....thanks for the valuable insight there....:roll:......if i ever get the chance to do so, i certainly will :| That's true. Although it would be nice to see Nihangs have a Taksal of their own where one can go get some Sikhiyaa about Gurmat. Currently many Nihangs go and learn from DDT. lol i think again its those kind of comments that prompted me to ask my question............nihangs want their own "little bit" other sampardeh want the seclusion of their own sect but how is that helping build pyaar and love amongst the sikh dharam? and has this seclusion lead to tensions amongst these sects and unconciously caused more segregation that unity ultimatly leading these subtile differences to grow even furthur? I may be reading too much into this but...........I would just like a better understanding.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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amardeep Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 It would be great to see an expanse of these nihang and nirmala taksals into the western world.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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amardeep Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 It would be great to see an expanse of these nihang and nirmala taksals into the western world.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 It would be great to see an expanse of these nihang and nirmala taksals into the western world.. Would that be to cater for us the panjabi diaspora or western audiences? In either case I cant see it working: for panjabi audiences - can;t be bovered, will eat into their money earning time. For western audiences the Panjabis will outcry it as cultish or anti -sikh; as is the case for 3HO and that Baba Virsa Singh's place in New york. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 lol for sikhs in generel whatever their skin color might be.. tsingh should open a taksal in uk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 tsingh should open a taksal in uk A modern day Taxila! with people from all over coming to learn. What is your background tsingh.? I know that your a nirmala, but thats bout it. PM me if you wish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 he is an english speaking nirmala which is quite rare 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morghe Sahar Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 There are already taksals in the West...they're called universities ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Thats true Morghe Sahar, but the education is very Euro/American-centric. You want to learn classical studies and generally you are restricted to Roman and greek studies and Latin. What if the Indo knowledge was bought forth through the taksals. Its happening in India with Sanskrit Studies, Unani/Ayervedic Medical Schools and Swami Ramdev Ji's Yog and Ayurved research centres from what I understand. How many people know that Buddhism reached the shores of britain long before Christianity! and it was mentioned by Romasn writers - i think it was Augustus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morghe Sahar Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Jattboot, all of what you're talking about is already taught in the best universities in the West. Many European universities have excellent Sanskrit programms and very centers for the study of Indian religions. I agree that for Ayuerveda you need to learn it at an institute. That Ashoka had sent emmissaries to the West is a known fact. That many Greeks in Bachtria converted to Buddhism and created Greco Buddhism is another fact. But let's be real: two monks landing in Britain doesn't equal to Britain knowing Buddhism. And no, Augustus didn't write but I am sure you're referring to Augustine and there is no mention of Buddhists there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malwe Da Sher Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 http://www.scribd.com/doc/2182658/The-Mool...tar-Controversy page 4 of this article has information on the sampradai 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Jattboot, all of what you're talking about is already taught in the best universities in the West. Many European universities have excellent Sanskrit programms and very centers for the study of Indian religions. I agree that for Ayuerveda you need to learn it at an institute. That Ashoka had sent emmissaries to the West is a known fact. That many Greeks in Bachtria converted to Buddhism and created Greco Buddhism is another fact. But let's be real: two monks landing in Britain doesn't equal to Britain knowing Buddhism. And no, Augustus didn't write but I am sure you're referring to Augustine and there is no mention of Buddhists there. I stand corrected , it was St Augustine - I knew it was some time in August.LOL It has been a while since I last read up on it . And I'm pretty sure thats what he mentioned, though maybe wrong. Assuming it was mentioned by him must imply that their teachings had substantial effect on the British Pagan religions of that time; albeit being wiped out or 're-assigned' to subsequent Christian dogma. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 insteresting read. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 http://www.scribd.com/doc/2182658/The-Mool...tar-Controversy page 4 of this article has information on the sampradai Yet many Nirmalas I know of DO believe that the mool mantra is up to gurprasad. the next portion is a salok. Hence ,JapJi Sahib is made up of moolmantra, two saloks and the main hymn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 if there were two saloks in the sri jap ji sahib then after the salok (Pavan Guru Pani Pita) there would be the numeral 2 indicating that it was the second salok of the composition but there isn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 if there were two saloks in the sri jap ji sahib then after the salok (Pavan Guru Pani Pita) there would be the numeral 2 indicating that it was the second salok of the composition but there isn't. According to kathas of nirmalas st jagjit singhji there are two. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I very much doubt that is the real shield of the 10th Guru in the article. Too modern, looks like they used some signwriter who writes on boards advertising some 'hatti' in Amritsar markets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 According to kathas of nirmalas st jagjit singhji there are two. Not according to their on-line katha.......( assuming you're talking of Harkhowal wale Sant). Kam is spot on about the numbering system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Matheen it the same one. I 'm thinking back to his katha in Birmingham from many, many years ago. As you know its information overload listening to them for one hour but some things just stick in your mind . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipledgeblue Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 OK i have a different answer; sampradaiye exist because extremists weren't able to destroy them, thanx 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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