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[The Khalsa Fauj]

Here is one of his posts on another thread:

Thanks for the clarification on your stand. So you are saying Jaap Sahib is not bani than either?

Do you at least accept that there are important elements of Sikhi contained in writings outside the SGGS such as in Dasam Granth, Bhai Gurdass ji's Vaars, Bhai Nand Lal ji's writings, and in the rahitnamas?? If so, which writings do you accept in whole, which in part only, and which do you reject entirely?

Anything outside Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which is clearly proven to be according to Guru Granth Sahib Ji, we can keep it as literature but not as writings of Guru Ji. This should answer all your questions.

Someone accused me on jumping and not replying to everything. How can I be in 10 threads at once and answer to people just doing copy paste from all over the internet? I haven't even had time to sit with family over the past few days since I have been replying contantly. Like I said before, to eliminate this issue, live debate is the best. It won't as time consuming and no one can dodge questions. Many of my questions haven't been answered either. Guys just keep posting quotes from GUru Granth Sahib Ji without understanding them. Gurbani takes days to translate. Don't expect me to given answers here. Especially when I have to reply to all sorts of posts. This is like a parade going on here. I answer 1 thread, there are 10 posts in another to answer. Like I siad, it is very easy to copy paste quotes from Guru Granth Sahib Ji but very very hard to translate and understand properly. My final post in this thread, bring proper live debate.

[Maha Singh]

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The Khalsa Fauji,

It seems like you are fatigued, need a break from all this discussion ? Understandable. Just let us know whenever you are ready. However, i just wanted to remind, it was your friend- Guru Da Sikh who came on this forum start challenging core beliefs of gurmat sidhant- Sri Dasam Granth sahib, Bhai Gurdas Ji Varan and you came along with this joined the party after clarifying that you were not Guru Da Sikh to Mithar. All of this seems some what fishy, seemed like well planned orchestrated mission to come on the forum start engaging in guerrilla debate.

[Malwe Da Sher]

"Anything outside Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which is clearly proven to be according to Guru Granth Sahib Ji, we can keep it as literature but not as writings of Guru Ji. This should answer all your questions."

So we should accept Jaap Sahib but not as writings of Guru Ji, even though we all know it was written by Guru Ji?

How can I be in 10 threads at once and answer to people just doing copy paste from all over the internet?

You are the one spamming every thread on this forum with your naastic views.

I haven't even had time to sit with family over the past few days since I have been replying contantly.

Go and spend time with your family, no one wants you here - feelings which have been made very clear to you and your goon squad which has recently joined.

Like I said before, to eliminate this issue, live debate is the best. It won't as time consuming and no one can dodge questions.

The elite of sampradai scholars reside in India. Arrange for five or any number of your best scholars and I will arrange for 5 Gurmat gianis. Any topics can be discussed. Anywhere in Punjab you may select the location, I will personally take responsibility for this once you confirm a date and place. If you arent going to do this then stop hampering on about having a debate. Hasnt your group already been shown up several times in live debates?

Many of my questions haven't been answered either

You are not here to learn, and arent fooling anyone. You are trying to create doubts in the minds of others rather then clear your own. You have asked questions and references where answers can be found, you which you have been unwilling to check these references. You may be interested to know that knowledge exists outwith of Kala Afghana books.

Guys just keep posting quotes from GUru Granth Sahib Ji without understanding them.

Its pretty ignorant to suggest that anyone who understand Gurbani differently to you doesnt understand Gurbani. The same accusations can be made of you who uses random quotes from Gurbani and somehow try and relate them to kakkars - to which references can be found in both Dasam and Sarbloh Granth, as well as the rehatname and various other texts.

Gurbani takes days to translate.

Leave it to someone else, your clearly not up to the task sunshine. Wow so you guys do acknowledge that Gurbani does have antreev arths and that Prof Sahib Singhs work which relies primarily on viakaran is limited?

Don't expect me to given answers here.

Expect you to? On the contrary I beg maharaj you refrain from further polluting this forum with your

Especially when I have to reply to all sorts of posts. This is like a parade going on here. I answer 1 thread, there are 10 posts in another to answer.

Like i said, no one is asking you to post here.

My final post in this thread, bring proper live debate.

AGAIN, Like I said in India, you name the time and place and bring who you want. Neutral cameramen and the whole debate will go on the internet and tv channels etc.

Cant believe I wasted any more time on you.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

I can't go to India. There are two reasons:

1. I don't have the cash

2. I don't have a valid passport as mine expired in 98 and Indian govt. won't give me one anytime soon

Since your scholars are ready, inform spokesman and get the debate arranged. There are Gurmat Scholars there in India that will be able to handle the karam kaandis without a problem.

Jaswinder SIngh gave an open challenge that anyone who proves Dasam Granth to be the work of Guru Gobind SIngh Ji will get 1 crore rupees in victory. How come no one has accepted his challenge? What is the problem? Spokesman is always ready to put headlines related to dasam granth to get something done. Why don't you get your scholars and tell them to issue statement. There will be gentlemen ready to debate your hand picked dudes.

[singh2]

Jaswinder SIngh gave an open challenge that anyone who proves Dasam Granth to be the work of Guru Gobind SIngh Ji will get 1 crore rupees in victory. How come no one has accepted his challenge? What is the problem? Spokesman is always ready to put headlines related to dasam granth to get something done. Why don't you get your scholars and tell them to issue statement. There will be gentlemen ready to debate your hand picked dudes.

A typical lie by so called misiionary nastic. This jaswinder singh agreed to debate the issue at akal takhat. Date and time was fixed. he never turned up and neither he had the courtesy to inform them that he was not coming.

[Guru da Sikh]

"Anything outside Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which is clearly proven to be according to Guru Granth Sahib Ji, we can keep it as literature but not as writings of Guru Ji. This should answer all your questions."

So we should accept Jaap Sahib but not as writings of Guru Ji, even though we all know it was written by Guru Ji?

You are the most ignorant person, I have come across. IF you are a Sikh and do your ardaas, then don’t you say that ‘10 Patshahian di jot Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji’ and then you running off to claiming that Dasam Patshah has his ‘Bani’ somewhere else in a different Granth?

How can I be in 10 threads at once and answer to people just doing copy paste from all over the internet?

You are the one spamming every thread on this forum with your naastic views.

Khalsa Fauji didn’t start spamming it in various threads it’s your Admin dude who keeps on making excuses and splitting subject into various threads, forcing Fauji to do so!

I haven't even had time to sit with family over the past few days since I have been replying contantly.

Go and spend time with your family, no one wants you here - feelings which have been made very clear to you and your goon squad which has recently joined.

All Fauji wants to do is what Guru asked us to do and that is to look after our family responsibilities. May be you boys are too busy reading some ‘succulent ‘ writings to spend time with your families!

Like I said before, to eliminate this issue, live debate is the best. It won't as time consuming and no one can dodge questions.

The elite of sampradai scholars reside in India. Arrange for five or any number of your best scholars and I will arrange for 5 Gurmat gianis. Any topics can be discussed. Anywhere in Punjab you may select the location, I will personally take responsibility for this once you confirm a date and place. If you arent going to do this then stop hampering on about having a debate. Hasnt your group already been shown up several times in live debates?

First of all Samprada and Gurmat in same line! What smapradavaan did Guru ji started? NIRMAL (NOT NirmalA) Panth later became known as Khalsa Panth, one and the same. Did he start Baba Rare Wala Samprda? Did he start Nanaksariye Samprda? Did he start Taksal Samprda?

Take up Fauji on his offer and tell him the time & place. Make sure this time your boys don’t pull Haria ‘move’ on us!

Many of my questions haven't been answered either

You are not here to learn, and arent fooling anyone. You are trying to create doubts in the minds of others rather then clear your own. You have asked questions and references where answers can be found, you which you have been unwilling to check these references. You may be interested to know that knowledge exists outwith of Kala Afghana books.

Fauji can’t open the locks to your brain with Gurbani so I pray some ‘Sant from a Samprada’ comes along and will ‘blow into your ear’ and give you a mantar jaap and get to you started on human path!

Guys just keep posting quotes from GUru Granth Sahib Ji without understanding them.

Its pretty ignorant to suggest that anyone who understand Gurbani differently to you doesnt understand Gurbani. The same accusations can be made of you who uses random quotes from Gurbani and somehow try and relate them to kakkars - to which references can be found in both Dasam and Sarbloh Granth, as well as the rehatname and various other texts.

Gurbani takes days to translate.

Leave it to someone else, your clearly not up to the task sunshine. Wow so you guys do acknowledge that Gurbani does have antreev arths and that Prof Sahib Singhs work which relies primarily on viakaran is limited?

I don’t think you ever opened up the steek and read it. Because if you would have you would have definitely noticed the Bhav Arth title highlighted in Dark Blue on www. GuruGranthDarpan.com. So your logic doesn’t fly here sweetheart!

Don't expect me to given answers here.

Expect you to? On the contrary I beg maharaj you refrain from further polluting this forum with your

And you supporting pornographic writings, from a book seems to make it a family affair?

Especially when I have to reply to all sorts of posts. This is like a parade going on here. I answer 1 thread, there are 10 posts in another to answer.

Like i said, no one is asking you to post here.

I guess in you boys mind One Fauji against 10 Pro Dasam Granth pets to be a fair & neutral debate. Does follow teachings of Dasam Granth, where when ‘devtas’ (you) sense a challenge by ‘rakshaks’ (us) they run to their ‘Vishnu’ (admin, N30). You do follow Dasam Granth from heart, don’t you!

My final post in this thread, bring proper live debate.

AGAIN, Like I said in India, you name the time and place and bring who you want. Neutral cameramen and the whole debate will go on the internet and tv channels etc.

Again let us know when & where in India your so called scholar boys want to debate Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji’s Sikhs and I will personally make sure that Rozana Spoeksman will arrange a neutral location for an online live debate. Just check with Neo dude to make sure no more excuses about funds, work etc. Talk is cheap, back up your words with some action.

Cant believe I wasted any more time on you.

By the way, Gurcharan Singh Jeonwala is taking a Western Canadian tour early next week. You boys feel like having a LIVE debate in Vancouver. No Funding & Crappy Excuses this time please! Let me know, and I will email to him so that you guys can get your local ‘scholars’ ready and give them a pep talk, if you have any!

[Guru da Sikh]

A typical lie by so called misiionary nastic. This jaswinder singh agreed to debate the issue at akal takhat. Date and time was fixed. he never turned up and neither he had the courtesy to inform them that he was not coming.

Can you POST a Proof of that scheduled date and Invitation by Akal Takhat or something. Are you simply blowing some gas?

Are you saying he pulled ‘HARIA’ too?

[Amriteshwar Singh]

I can't go to India. There are two reasons:

1. I don't have the cash

2. I don't have a valid passport as mine expired in 98 and Indian govt. won't give me one anytime soon

Since your scholars are ready, inform spokesman and get the debate arranged. There are Gurmat Scholars there in India that will be able to handle the karam kaandis without a problem.

Jaswinder SIngh gave an open challenge that anyone who proves Dasam Granth to be the work of Guru Gobind SIngh Ji will get 1 crore rupees in victory. How come no one has accepted his challenge? What is the problem? Spokesman is always ready to put headlines related to dasam granth to get something done. Why don't you get your scholars and tell them to issue statement. There will be gentlemen ready to debate your hand picked dudes.

I offer jaswinder singh 2 crores INR so that he can better start believing. PS: Not An open challenge for all.

[Guru da Sikh]

I disagree.

I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it!

You do follow Sikhi Principles.

Guru ji never censored anybody or threatened them physical harm, which is so common here on this website. Mod's Edit

[Malwe Da Sher]

Jaswinder SIngh gave an open challenge that anyone who proves Dasam Granth to be the work of Guru Gobind SIngh Ji will get 1 crore rupees in victory. How come no one has accepted his challenge? What is the problem? Spokesman is always ready to put headlines related to dasam granth to get something done. Why don't you get your scholars and tell them to issue statement. There will be gentlemen ready to debate your hand picked dudes.

Do you live in some sort of fantasy world? The Nihang Singh Dals have given him various invitations. He was called to attend Akal Takht in June either 2006 or 2007. - you boys want proof - theres was thousands of Singhs there from all jathebandi so you can ring up Akaal Takht and ask. Baba Giana Singh, a 96 year old Nihang Singh student of Sant Gurbacchan Singh went to his house to speak to him, he locked his doors and ran into his house, and left Baba Ji standing outside for 6 hours before he left. I have personal knowledge of 3 invitations being issued to Jaswinder Singh to come to the Nihang Dals, including an open debate at Sabo Ki Talwandi, each time he has has been a no show. This the character of Guru Gobind Singhs nindaks.

Open letters have been written to Jaswinder Singh in Punjabi newspapers around the world, surprise surprise there has never a reply.

We dont want some random ppl turning up for a debate - give us your best, Afghana, Ghagha and try and pump some courage into your Jaswinder Singh if you can.

[shaheediyan]

I can't go to India. There are two reasons:

1. I don't have the cash

2. I don't have a valid passport as mine expired in 98 and Indian govt. won't give me one anytime soon

1. Sell your tractor.

2. Get a Canadian Passport,

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Do you live in some sort of fantasy world? The Nihang Singh Dals have given him various invitations. He was called to attend Akal Takht in June either 2006 or 2007. - you boys want proof - theres was thousands of Singhs there from all jathebandi so you can ring up Akaal Takht and ask. Baba Giana Singh, a 96 year old Nihang Singh student of Sant Gurbacchan Singh went to his house to speak to him, he locked his doors and ran into his house, and left Baba Ji standing outside for 6 hours before he left. I have personal knowledge of 3 invitations being issued to Jaswinder Singh to come to the Nihang Dals, including an open debate at Sabo Ki Talwandi, each time he has has been a no show. This the character of Guru Gobind Singhs nindaks.

Open letters have been written to Jaswinder Singh in Punjabi newspapers around the world, surprise surprise there has never a reply.

We dont want some random ppl turning up for a debate - give us your best, Afghana, Ghagha and try and pump some courage into your Jaswinder Singh if you can.

I never heard about the part about him locking door on nihungs but he didn't go to Akaal Takht because Akaal Takht never called him. It was just Dhumaa and other nihungs thugs who were calling him. These also said they would kill Jaswinder if he shows up at Akaal Takht. Like I said before, why should he go when there was just going to be gundaa gardee? You said it yourself that there were thousands of these nihungs and dhummas. What did you need thousands for? I have no clue about the 2nd incident. Also, Dasam Granth Vichar manch Faridabaad just gave a challenge to debate. Take you 96 year old nihung baba from 96 crore budda dal to debate in Faridabaad. Those guys are always ready.

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ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਚੈਲੰਜ ਨੂੰ ਕਬੂਲਦਿਆਂ ਕਿਹਾ, ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਪਰ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਵੱਲੋਂ ੧੧ ਵਿਦਵਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਪੈਨਲ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਣ ਲਈ ਤਿਆਰ ਹੈ। : ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ

(ਬੀਬੀ ਬਸੰਤ ਕੌਰ, ਫ਼ਰੀਦਾਬਾਦ)

ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਦੇ ਚੇਲੇ ਅਤੇ ਬਾਦਲ ਦਲੀਏ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਅਖਬਾਰਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ “ਪੰਜ ਤਖ਼ਤਾਂ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਤੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਖੁਲ੍ਹੀ ਬਹਿਸ ਦਾ ਚੈਲੰਜ” ਇਸ਼ਤਿਹਾਰ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ਨ ਉਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਕਰਮ ਕਰਦਿਆਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਰਪੱਤ ਜੱਥੇਬੰਦੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਇੰਟਰਨੈਸ਼ਨਲ ਦੇ ਕਨਵੀਨਰ ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਦਰਜ਼ ਬਾਣੀ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਗੁਰਸਿੱਖ ਦੁਬਿਧਾਵਾਂ ਦੇ ਹਲ ਲਈ ਵਿਚਾਰ-ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਨਾ ਕਿ ਬਹਿਸ। ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਅਤੇ ਪ੍ਰੋਫੈਸਰ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ-ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਨੂੰ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਹੋਣ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਹੀ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਦਾ ਇਹ ਕਹਿ ਕੇ ਭੋਗ ਪਾ ਦੇਣਾ ਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਇਸ ਦੀ ਇਜ਼ਾਜ਼ਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਸਾਰੀ ਘਟਨਾਕ੍ਰਮ ਪਿੱਛੇ ਸਾਧ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਦੀ ਬਹਾਨੇਖੋਰੀ ਹੀ ਜਾਪਦੀ ਹੈ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦੇ ਜਿਸ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਸਾਧ ਰੰਧਾਵਾ ਵਿਚਾਰਾਂ ਕਰਣ ਤੋਂ ਭੱਜ ਉਠਿਆ, ਉਹ ਸਨ ੨੦੦੦ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮਾ ਸੀ ਜਦਕਿ ੨੦੦੬ ਦੇ ਨਵੇਂ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਜੋਗਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੇਦਾਂਤੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਪਹਿਲਵਾਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਤੱਤ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਜੁਆਬ ਦੇਣ ਲਈ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮਾ ਜਾਰੀ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਇਸ ਲਈ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵਾ ਅਤੇ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਜੁੰਡਲੀ ਜੋ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ੨੫ ਮਈ ਨੂੰ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਛੱਡ ਗਏ ਸਨ ਉਹ ਭਗੋੜੇ ਹਨ।

ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਵਾਲਾ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਬਹਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦੇ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਛੱਡ ਆਇਆ ਤੇ ਆਖਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਵਿਸ਼ੇ ਤੇ ਬਹਿਸ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਰੋਕ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਹੁਣ ਕੀ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਤੇ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਨੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਤੋਂ ਪ੍ਰਵਾਨਗੀ ਲੈ ਲਈ ਹੈ? ਜਾਂ ਆਪਣੀ ਸ਼ਾਖ ਬਚਾਉਣ ਲਈ ਸਿਰਫ ਇਸ਼ਤਿਹਾਰਬਾਜ਼ੀ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ। ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ, ਨੇ ਸਰਦਾਰ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਚੈਲੰਜ ਨੂੰ ਕਬੂਲਦਿਆਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਪਰ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਵੱਲੋਂ ੧੧ ਵਿਦਵਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਪੈਨਲ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਣ ਲਈ ਤਿਆਰ ਹੈ ਜੇਕਰ ਇਸ ਦਾ ਸਿੱਧਾ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਰਣ ਟੀ. ਵੀ ਚੈਨਲਾਂ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਕਰਵਾਉਣ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾਏ ਤਾਂ ਜੁ ਸੱਚ-ਝੂਠ ਦਾ ਨਿਬੇੜਾ ਸਿੱਖ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਸਾਮੂਹਿਕ ਤੌਰ `ਤੇ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾ ਸਕੇ।

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[singh2]

I never heard about the part about him locking door on nihungs but he didn't go to Akaal Takht because Akaal Takht never called him. It was just Dhumaa and other nihungs thugs who were calling him. These also said they would kill Jaswinder if he shows up at Akaal Takht. Like I said before, why should he go when there was just going to be gundaa gardee? You said it yourself that there were thousands of these nihungs and dhummas. What did you need thousands for? I have no clue about the 2nd incident. Also, Dasam Granth Vichar manch Faridabaad just gave a challenge to debate. Take you 96 year old nihung baba from 96 crore budda dal to debate in Faridabaad. Those guys are always ready.

ਬੀਬੀ ਬਸੰਤ ਕੌਰ, ਫ਼ਰੀਦਾਬਾਦ

ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਚੈਲੰਜ ਨੂੰ ਕਬੂਲਦਿਆਂ ਕਿਹਾ, ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਪਰ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਵੱਲੋਂ ੧੧ ਵਿਦਵਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਪੈਨਲ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਣ ਲਈ ਤਿਆਰ ਹੈ। : ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ

(ਬੀਬੀ ਬਸੰਤ ਕੌਰ, ਫ਼ਰੀਦਾਬਾਦ)

ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਦੇ ਚੇਲੇ ਅਤੇ ਬਾਦਲ ਦਲੀਏ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਅਖਬਾਰਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ “ਪੰਜ ਤਖ਼ਤਾਂ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਤੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਖੁਲ੍ਹੀ ਬਹਿਸ ਦਾ ਚੈਲੰਜ” ਇਸ਼ਤਿਹਾਰ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ਨ ਉਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਕਰਮ ਕਰਦਿਆਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਰਪੱਤ ਜੱਥੇਬੰਦੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਇੰਟਰਨੈਸ਼ਨਲ ਦੇ ਕਨਵੀਨਰ ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਦਰਜ਼ ਬਾਣੀ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਗੁਰਸਿੱਖ ਦੁਬਿਧਾਵਾਂ ਦੇ ਹਲ ਲਈ ਵਿਚਾਰ-ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਨਾ ਕਿ ਬਹਿਸ। ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਅਤੇ ਪ੍ਰੋਫੈਸਰ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ-ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਨੂੰ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਹੋਣ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਹੀ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਦਾ ਇਹ ਕਹਿ ਕੇ ਭੋਗ ਪਾ ਦੇਣਾ ਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਇਸ ਦੀ ਇਜ਼ਾਜ਼ਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਸਾਰੀ ਘਟਨਾਕ੍ਰਮ ਪਿੱਛੇ ਸਾਧ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਦੀ ਬਹਾਨੇਖੋਰੀ ਹੀ ਜਾਪਦੀ ਹੈ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦੇ ਜਿਸ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਸਾਧ ਰੰਧਾਵਾ ਵਿਚਾਰਾਂ ਕਰਣ ਤੋਂ ਭੱਜ ਉਠਿਆ, ਉਹ ਸਨ ੨੦੦੦ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮਾ ਸੀ ਜਦਕਿ ੨੦੦੬ ਦੇ ਨਵੇਂ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਜੋਗਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੇਦਾਂਤੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਪਹਿਲਵਾਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਤੱਤ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਜੁਆਬ ਦੇਣ ਲਈ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮਾ ਜਾਰੀ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਇਸ ਲਈ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵਾ ਅਤੇ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਜੁੰਡਲੀ ਜੋ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ੨੫ ਮਈ ਨੂੰ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਛੱਡ ਗਏ ਸਨ ਉਹ ਭਗੋੜੇ ਹਨ।

ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਵਾਲਾ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਬਹਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦੇ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਛੱਡ ਆਇਆ ਤੇ ਆਖਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਵਿਸ਼ੇ ਤੇ ਬਹਿਸ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਰੋਕ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਹੁਣ ਕੀ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਤੇ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਨੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਤੋਂ ਪ੍ਰਵਾਨਗੀ ਲੈ ਲਈ ਹੈ? ਜਾਂ ਆਪਣੀ ਸ਼ਾਖ ਬਚਾਉਣ ਲਈ ਸਿਰਫ ਇਸ਼ਤਿਹਾਰਬਾਜ਼ੀ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ। ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ, ਨੇ ਸਰਦਾਰ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਚੈਲੰਜ ਨੂੰ ਕਬੂਲਦਿਆਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਪਰ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਵੱਲੋਂ ੧੧ ਵਿਦਵਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਪੈਨਲ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਣ ਲਈ ਤਿਆਰ ਹੈ ਜੇਕਰ ਇਸ ਦਾ ਸਿੱਧਾ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਰਣ ਟੀ. ਵੀ ਚੈਨਲਾਂ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਕਰਵਾਉਣ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾਏ ਤਾਂ ਜੁ ਸੱਚ-ਝੂਠ ਦਾ ਨਿਬੇੜਾ ਸਿੱਖ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਸਾਮੂਹਿਕ ਤੌਰ `ਤੇ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾ ਸਕੇ।

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Fauj

This gang was invited to damdama sahib where there was a conference held for this purpose. Nobody showed up. What debate these idiots will have when they ask why there is no mention of khalsa initiation in dasam granth.

[Guru da Sikh]

I never heard about the part about him locking door on nihungs but he didn't go to Akaal Takht because Akaal Takht never called him. It was just Dhumaa and other nihungs thugs who were calling him. These also said they would kill Jaswinder if he shows up at Akaal Takht. Like I said before, why should he go when there was just going to be gundaa gardee? You said it yourself that there were thousands of these nihungs and dhummas. What did you need thousands for? I have no clue about the 2nd incident. Also, Dasam Granth Vichar manch Faridabaad just gave a challenge to debate. Take you 96 year old nihung baba from 96 crore budda dal to debate in Faridabaad. Those guys are always ready.

ਬੀਬੀ ਬਸੰਤ ਕੌਰ, ਫ਼ਰੀਦਾਬਾਦ

ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਚੈਲੰਜ ਨੂੰ ਕਬੂਲਦਿਆਂ ਕਿਹਾ, ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਪਰ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਵੱਲੋਂ ੧੧ ਵਿਦਵਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਪੈਨਲ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਣ ਲਈ ਤਿਆਰ ਹੈ। : ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ

(ਬੀਬੀ ਬਸੰਤ ਕੌਰ, ਫ਼ਰੀਦਾਬਾਦ)

ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਦੇ ਚੇਲੇ ਅਤੇ ਬਾਦਲ ਦਲੀਏ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਅਖਬਾਰਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ “ਪੰਜ ਤਖ਼ਤਾਂ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਤੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਖੁਲ੍ਹੀ ਬਹਿਸ ਦਾ ਚੈਲੰਜ” ਇਸ਼ਤਿਹਾਰ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ਨ ਉਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਕਰਮ ਕਰਦਿਆਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਰਪੱਤ ਜੱਥੇਬੰਦੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਇੰਟਰਨੈਸ਼ਨਲ ਦੇ ਕਨਵੀਨਰ ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਦਰਜ਼ ਬਾਣੀ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਗੁਰਸਿੱਖ ਦੁਬਿਧਾਵਾਂ ਦੇ ਹਲ ਲਈ ਵਿਚਾਰ-ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਨਾ ਕਿ ਬਹਿਸ। ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਅਤੇ ਪ੍ਰੋਫੈਸਰ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ-ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਨੂੰ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਹੋਣ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਹੀ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਦਾ ਇਹ ਕਹਿ ਕੇ ਭੋਗ ਪਾ ਦੇਣਾ ਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਇਸ ਦੀ ਇਜ਼ਾਜ਼ਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਸਾਰੀ ਘਟਨਾਕ੍ਰਮ ਪਿੱਛੇ ਸਾਧ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਦੀ ਬਹਾਨੇਖੋਰੀ ਹੀ ਜਾਪਦੀ ਹੈ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦੇ ਜਿਸ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਸਾਧ ਰੰਧਾਵਾ ਵਿਚਾਰਾਂ ਕਰਣ ਤੋਂ ਭੱਜ ਉਠਿਆ, ਉਹ ਸਨ ੨੦੦੦ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮਾ ਸੀ ਜਦਕਿ ੨੦੦੬ ਦੇ ਨਵੇਂ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਜੋਗਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੇਦਾਂਤੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਪਹਿਲਵਾਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਤੱਤ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਜੁਆਬ ਦੇਣ ਲਈ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮਾ ਜਾਰੀ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਇਸ ਲਈ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵਾ ਅਤੇ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਜੁੰਡਲੀ ਜੋ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ੨੫ ਮਈ ਨੂੰ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਛੱਡ ਗਏ ਸਨ ਉਹ ਭਗੋੜੇ ਹਨ।

ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਵਾਲਾ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਬਹਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦੇ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਛੱਡ ਆਇਆ ਤੇ ਆਖਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਵਿਸ਼ੇ ਤੇ ਬਹਿਸ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਰੋਕ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਹੁਣ ਕੀ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਤੇ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਨੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਤੋਂ ਪ੍ਰਵਾਨਗੀ ਲੈ ਲਈ ਹੈ? ਜਾਂ ਆਪਣੀ ਸ਼ਾਖ ਬਚਾਉਣ ਲਈ ਸਿਰਫ ਇਸ਼ਤਿਹਾਰਬਾਜ਼ੀ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ। ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ, ਨੇ ਸਰਦਾਰ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਚੈਲੰਜ ਨੂੰ ਕਬੂਲਦਿਆਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਪਰ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਵੱਲੋਂ ੧੧ ਵਿਦਵਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਪੈਨਲ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਣ ਲਈ ਤਿਆਰ ਹੈ ਜੇਕਰ ਇਸ ਦਾ ਸਿੱਧਾ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਰਣ ਟੀ. ਵੀ ਚੈਨਲਾਂ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਕਰਵਾਉਣ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾਏ ਤਾਂ ਜੁ ਸੱਚ-ਝੂਠ ਦਾ ਨਿਬੇੜਾ ਸਿੱਖ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਸਾਮੂਹਿਕ ਤੌਰ `ਤੇ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾ ਸਕੇ।

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Khalsa Fauji, can you please stop postings that make these Pro Dasam Granth guys look like baboons from Africa. Don’t embarrass them to the point that they end up pulling a ‘Haria’ on everybody

Remember, pulling a ‘Haria’ is defined as follows:

A gang challenges a group of scholars for a debate / discussion. When scholars accept the challenge, then the gang comes up with an excuse to NOT to participate and not only leaves the stage in a few seconds, but also leaves the city & state overnight and refuse media coverage to answer any questions or provide explanation for the 180 degree turn.

[Guru da Sikh]

Fauj

This gang was invited to damdama sahib where there was a conference held for this purpose. Nobody showed up. What debate these idiots will have when they ask why there is no mention of khalsa initiation in dasam granth.

Can you post a link or copy of the invitation sent out to this gang, like Khalsa Fauji has just done?

[singh2]

Can you post a link or copy of the invitation sent out to this gang, like Khalsa Fauji has just done?

Sit back and chew it.

http://www.panthic.org/news/125/ARTICLE/3852/2008-01-31.html

Ragi Fails to Show Up for Challenge at Takht Sahib; Banned from Panthic Stages

Thursday 31st of January 2008

Panthic Weekly News Bureau

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Massive Conclave by Panthic Organizations and Scholars

Ragi Darshan Singh Fails the Panthic Challenge, Banned by Sangat

Takht Sri Damdama Sahib, Sabo-ki-Talwandi (KP) - At a historic convention, attended by representatives and scholars from dozens of prominent Panthic organizations, unanimous resolutions were passed condemning the recent ramblings by the controversial ragi Darshan Singh in which he had outrightly rejected the Bani of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

The conclave was organized by Panthic organizations at Takht Sri Damdama Sahib, Sabo-ki-Talwandi on January 31st. The organizers had invited ragi Darshan Singh and his supporters to come to the venue to openly discuss the issues and concerns that they had over Dasam Granth with learned Sikh scholars in a civil manner. Past directives from Sri Akal Takht Sahib strictly forbid unnecessary criticism and debates on Dasam Granth, but allow the option for Panthic scholars to respond to those criticisms.

Ragi a No-Show

As expected, ragi Darshan Singh failed to show up for the discussion at the Takht Sahib convention. Instead, he took out a paid advertisement in a fringe newspaper further condemning the Dasam Granth and touting that even the validity of certain Nitem Banis (daily prayers) are in question.

These types of statements by the ragi have incensed Panthic organizations who attest that the Nitnem Banis written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji are a vital part of the Sikh Panth's Rahit Maryada and do not need any debating by such faithless cynics. They criticized Darshan Singh for not showing up for the Panthic challenge, and labeled him a mere ‘paper tiger’ and hollow puppet of anti-Sikh forces.

While the conference was open to everyone from all sides of the Dasam Granth debate, not a single representative from the ragi camp showed up for the challenge—proving that they could not discuss these issues with the Sangat face-to-face. Scholars present at the conclave brought more than 150 historical and contemporary references in support of Dasam Bani, just in case the cynics wanted to review the material themselves.

During this convention, the following resolutions were passed by the Panthic organizations under the aegis of the Takht Sri Damdama Sahib :

1) All Panthic Jathebandis and Sikh Scholars present at the convention held on January 31, 2008 at Sabo Ki Talwandi denounce the efforts of Prof. Darshan Singh Ragi to malign the status of Sri Dasam Granth.

2) The convention feels that by not attending the debate, Prof. Darshan Singh has accepted his defeat in the challenges posed by Panthic Jathebandis. His absence from the conference proves that he is promoting wrongful propaganda against Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. This further exposes the double standards of Prof. Darshan Singh as in past he has released various recordings of shabads from the Sri Dasam Granth. Such hypocrisy remains a mystery for everyone.

3) The convention held today appeals to the Sikh Sangat residing in Punjab and foreign countries to refrain from communicating with such selfish ‘preachers.’ It is also being pressed that the Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee refrains from allowing such charlatans to convey misinformation from Gurdwara Sahibs.

4) Sikh masses present at the convention are open to discuss the contents of Sri Dasam Granth with individuals ignorant on the topic at any time in future.

The Sikh organizations requested that the controversial ragi not be allowed to utilize Panthic stages at any Gurdwara Sahib worldwide and have also further requested that he be summoned by Sri Akal Takht Sahib for his blasphemous behavior.

Speakers and Scholars at the Convention

More than a dozen scholars from various Panthic organizations spoke on this occasion, in support of Guru Gobind Singh's Bani,. Universally, they condemned the ragi's recent comments on Dasam Bani, and requested action be taken by Sri Akal Takht Sahib according to Panthic norms and guidelines.

Jathedar Nandgarh addressing the Panthic Conclave

The speakers included :

Jathedar Giani Balwant Singh Nandgarh (Takht Sri Damdama Sahib) - Jathedar Balwant Singh was the first speaker to address the conclave at this historic Takht. He declared that ragi Darshan Singh’s use of derogatory language against Dasam Granth would not be tolerated by the Panth, and then gave permission for the scholars to address the Sangat.

Bhai Gopal Singh (Swami Brahdev) - In his speech, Bhai Sahib took exception to ragi Darshan Singh misquoting the Gurbani of Gur Ram Das Sahib Ji in a recent advertisement where he refers to those who believe in Dasam Patshah’s Bani as lost manmukhs. Darshan Singh had paid the ex-communicated Spokesman newspaper editor Joginder Sahney to print an advertisement in which certain Gurbani panktis were misquoted. Bhai Gopal Singh then shared the real interpretation of those panktis with the Sangat and stated that it was individuals such as Darshan Singh who are misguided and not the Sangat.

He then shared verses from Bachittar Natak and Chritropakyan with complementary verses from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that have the same central theme and message. He concluded his lecture, by listing the names of scholars and intellectuals with university degrees in connection to Dasam Granth from various universities.

Note : Bhai Gopal Singh’s is often referred to as Swami Brahdev, which was his original name. He took Amrit at Sri Akal Takht Sahib during the 1980’s on behest of Baba Avtar Singh of Badhni-kalan when Darshan Singh was the acting Jathedar.

Dr. Anokh Singh - Spoke on the correlation of the concept of Miri-Piri between Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the Dasam Granth with regards to the correlation between Sri Harmandir Sahib and Sri Akal Takht Sahib. He stated that saroops of Dasam Granth have historically existed at the Sikh Takhts and are both symbols of Khalsa ‘s Miri.

Note : Dr. Anokh Singh is also a close realtive of Baba Gurbachan Singh Khalsa Bhinderanwale.

Giani Sher Singh Ambala Ji Nihang – Giani Ji presented to the Sangat copies of commercial cassettes released by Prof. Darshan Singh containing Bani from Dasam Granth. Giani queried the Sangat, "why did ragi Darshan Singh profit from selling the Bani of Dasam Granth?" He asked, if the Sangat is now being called misguided RSS agents for reciting Dasam Patshah’s Bani, was Prof. Darshan Singh also an RSS agent when he was profiteering personally from the same verses of Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s Bani ? Was Prof. Darshan Singh also being paid by the RSS as he is now accusing us of doing? He further challenged to debate the ragi anywhere he wanted in the future.

Giani Sher Singh Ambala also made a startling allegation that during the 1980’s ragi Darshan Singh used to recite Kirtan in a style that would appeal to the youth so they would join the Kharkoo Singhs (freedom fighters) of that time, and then used to report information about those youths to the intelligence agencies and the police.

Bhai Ratinder Singh Indore (GURSIKH Organization) – Bhai Sahib presented Hukmanas from Dr. Ganda Singh’s famous book “HukamNamas” which refer to Bhai Gurdas Ji II in at least three HukamNamas. Ragi Darshan Singh has repeatedly stated that Bhai Gurdas Ji II has never historically existed. Bhai Sahib also stated that the notion of labeling Dasam Granth as an RSS granth is truly irrational. Bhai Sahib stated that Krishan in Krishana Avtar is referred to as a keet (insect) and shown as a characterless drug addict. In Rama Avtar, Ram is shown in a similar manner along with being a ruthless and merciless king who eliminated his rivals by any means possible. Why would the RSS promote a Granth that is so critical of these demigods, Bhai Sahib questioned.

Bhai Sahib further stated that it is the RSS who truly wants the Sikhs to reject Dasam Granth, since it is harmful to them not to us. It is the critics who are the ones that are pleasing to the RSS. He noted an example of the ex-communicated writer Bhag Singh Ambala who also wrote against Dasam Granth. Bhag Singh Ambala was a known admirer of Krishan, and after reading Krishana Avtar, Bhag Singh complained that Guru Gobind Singh Ji would never write anything against Krishan, so this could not be His Bani.

Bhai Gurbakhsh Singh Mohali - Spoke on the technical aspects of Dasam Granth, the numbering of verses, and many missing portions. Bhai Sahib queried that if the Dasam Granth was the work of ‘Brahmins’ then why did not those clever Brahmins give us complete scriptures? It is an historic fact that Bhai Mani Singh Ji compiled the works of Guru Gobind Singh Ji into a single volume, and noted that some portions were not available or missing, due to the loss the Panth incurred during the evacuation of Anandpur Sahib.

Dr. Anurag Singh - Noted that some of the stories mentioned in the charittars have also been mentioned in Islamic and Sanatan scriptures, and therefore have a historic basis. They have been presented in Charitropakhiyan for guidance purposes. In a dare to test his actual knowledge on Gurmat, Dr. Anurag Singh challenged that if ragi Darshan Singh is a true scholar then I request him to accurately identify 11 differences within Yoga and Sikhism as referenced in the 27,28,29,30 pauris of Japji Sahib.

Baba Baljit Singh Damdami Taksal (Dadu Sahib Wale) – Bhai Sahib also spoke on the glory of Dasam Granth and chastised those who are challenging it’s authenticity. He requested that strict action be action against those individuals.

Bhai Mohkam Singh Ludhiana (Akhand Kirtani Jatha) - Bhai Sahib stated that it is shameful for ragi Darshan Singh to allege that if we believe in Dasam Bani, then we do not respect Guru Granth Sahib Ji. He countered, that in 1978 Singhs from the Akhand Kirtani Jatha and the Damdami Taksal sacrificed their lives for the sanctity of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and they were ready to do that again if the need arises. He asked ragi Darshan Singh and his missionaries if they could show a single sacrifice they had made for the sanctity of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Note: Bhai Mohkam Singh's brother Bhai Gurcharan Singh became Shaheed in 1978 during the Nirankari Vaisakhi Massacre.

Other speakers include :

Bhai Amrik Singh Singh Damdami Taksal, and Bhai Gurdev Singh Damdami Taksal, and Bhai Nagar Singh represented the various Nihang Singh Dals who all spoke on the significance of Dasam Granth and recommended strict action against those who criticize it.

Videos of all speakers will be uploaded in next week’s issue.

[Kam1825]

And if you want links to the videos i can give you those too which are mentioned in the above post!

Just a quickthing;

"By the way, Gurcharan Singh Jeonwala is taking a Western Canadian tour early next week. You boys feel like having a LIVE debate in Vancouver. No Funding & Crappy Excuses this time please! Let me know, and I will email to him so that you guys can get your local ‘scholars’ ready and give them a pep talk, if you have any"

Can you give us the dates and locations of where the Roadshow will be!

[Xylitol]

Some more info on the Prof. Darshan Singh's anti sikh views in his own words:

http://www.patshahi10.org/index.php?option...n&Itemid=76

[Guru da Sikh]

And if you want links to the videos i can give you those too which are mentioned in the above post!

Just a quickthing;

"By the way, Gurcharan Singh Jeonwala is taking a Western Canadian tour early next week. You boys feel like having a LIVE debate in Vancouver. No Funding & Crappy Excuses this time please! Let me know, and I will email to him so that you guys can get your local ‘scholars’ ready and give them a pep talk, if you have any"

Can you give us the dates and locations of where the Roadshow will be!

So you can do the same thing what the your boys did in New York i.e. Raula Pauna in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji’s HAZOORI!

He is available for an ONLINE LIVE DEBATE ANYTIME & ANYWHERE. Let me know if your side is up to it?

[randip singh]

Again, I think this comment:

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-s...n-redux-10.html

Isnt it a wonder that the name of Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Ji Kala Afghana gets THROWN IN to any and ALL postings/threads..by those who OPPOSE his Views, cannot defeat those views. NO BODY ELSE even Mentioned him...WHY the obsession with a socalled "excommunicated" (anti Gurmat action) person who CANNOT answer these allegations as he is NOT a member of any forums etc...

Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205 (Kala Afghana: Discussion Redux)

Reminds me of HARI SINGH NALWA...that Super Duper GENERAL of the Khalsa Fauj that DEFEATED the Pathans and Afghans SO BADLY..that his Name entered their Language..and their Mothers till TODAY..frighten their children by saying..HAROOA AIYO,,Harrooa aiyoh..go to sleep..Harooa aiyoh.

Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205 (Kala Afghana: Discussion Redux)

Hari Singh nalwa died more than 150 Years ago..his NAME still TERRIFIES the Afghans/pathans...HOW long will it take these people to forget/stop being afraid of kala afghana !!! Just Go through ANY posting on Gurmat Learning Zone, Sikhs Diaspora, Sikh Awareness, SPN etc etc etc...and you will find the GHOST OF KA frightening the living daylights of these singh1,singh2, singh3,singh4,singh5,singh, 1singh, 2singh, 3singh,4singh..Lsingh, Isingh,Five Singh,etc etc. KA is an OLD MAN..may soon die..but it looks like he will LIVE ON..perhaps like "Harroa aiyoh" Kala aiyoh... for another 150 Years..DAAMMN FRIGHTENING THOUGHT.he he he

Is appropriate here.

[Kam1825]

So you can do the same thing what the your boys did in New York i.e. Raula Pauna in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji’s HAZOORI!

What, so we can do what we did in New York, i thought you said the sants ran away from that debate? Isn't that what you want to see?

[randip singh]

So you can do the same thing what the your boys did in New York i.e. Raula Pauna in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji’s HAZOORI!

What, so we can do what we did in New York, i thought you said the sants ran away from that debate? Isn't that what you want to see?

Look mate, it's a fair point he has made, why not answer it instead of finger waving and making accusations.

[Guru da Sikh]

So you can do the same thing what the your boys did in New York i.e. Raula Pauna in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji’s HAZOORI!

What, so we can do what we did in New York, i thought you said the sants ran away from that debate? Isn't that what you want to see?

Read my responses on the following link on this forum;

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?sh...0&start=100

[Guru da Sikh]

Look mate, it's a fair point he has made, why not answer it instead of finger waving and making accusations.

Randip Singh ji, these boys are either incompetent or are simply ignorant to answer any questions at all. They do NOT realize that in order to have a good intellectual debate or discussion they would need to back it up with Gurmat Gyan and for that they would need to READ, LEARN & UNDERSTAND GURBANI from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, which they are NOT willing to do so. They run to a Granth that has multiple known & unknown writers and is questioned by all LEARNED Sikh Scholars in Gurmat, with teaching from this Granth’s Kachi ’Bani ’ that are in exact contradiction to Sachi Bani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. No wonder these boys make mockery out of themselves all over the internet.

So what you think they are left with; Finger pointing & making accusations