SAadmin Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 I was just contemplating on shabad- Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji writes: Āaḏ gur▫e namah Jugāḏ gur▫e namah Saṯgur▫e namah Srī gurḏev▫e nameh || Based on various tekas, arth of this shabad above are more sakar/sargun. From the context of uthanka arth(as it was believed sri guru arjan dev ji dedicated this shabad to his previous guru maharaj), anyway here are arth given as follows: Aad Gur E Nameh - Guru Nanak Dev Ji Ko Namaskar Jugad Gur E Nameh- Guru Angad Dev Ji Ko Namaskar Satgur E Nameh - Sri Guru Amar Das Ji Ko Namaskar. Sri Gurdev E Nameh - finally my present gurdev- Sri Guru Ram Das Ji Ko Namaskar. Note - Sri indicates one being around maya and controlling the maya. That is clearly sargun upasana, it shows there is no black and white rule in Sikhism, when it comes to meditation. Sargun is equally parvan in our dharam, as surti goes more subtle and subtle towards nirgun, one realizes more deep adhyatamic/spiritual meaning of the same shabad, more towards nirgun upasana. Āaḏ gur▫e namah Jugāḏ gur▫e namah Saṯgur▫e namah Srī gurḏev▫e nameh || I bow to the guiding consciousness that takes us to realisation. I bow to wisdom througout the ages. I bow to True wisdom. I bow to the great unseen Wisdom. enjoy..!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Bani has lots of shabads where upashna is done of both Sargun and Nirgun forms, another great salok where you get both is in salok mahalla 9 Naam Rahiyo Sadhu Rahiyo, Rahiyo Gur Gobind 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Vah ji vah..keep them coming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsingh96 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 heres one for you from Sri Sarbloh Granth ਬਿਸਨੁਪਦ ਪੁੰਨੀਆ ਗੀਤ ਸਾਨੀ ਤਰਹ ਦੂਜੀ ॥ ਸਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰਗੁਨ ਦ੍ਵੈ ਰੂਪ ਹਰੀ ਕੇ, ਉਪਾਸਨ ਭਗਤਨ ਕੋ ਅਤਿ ਨੀਕੋ ॥ The Sargun and Nirgun are two forms of Hari, for devotes these two types of worship are acceptable ਭਗਤਿ ਗਯਾਨੀ ਗਯਾਨੀ ਭਗਤਾ, ਉਪਾਸਕ ਉਭਯ ਭਗਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਜੀ ਕੋ ॥ Bhagat = Sargun da upashak, Gyani = Nirgun da upashak, both of these two types of devotes are Pareshvar's shardaloo's (faithful) (page 423, vol 2 of the sarbloh granth tika) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Vah Ji Vah Jsingh, thanks for this amazing quote from sri sarbloh granth. This should seal all the debate on sargun worship and nirgun worship. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 jsingh ji, thank u for sharing could you please clarify if all 3 lines above are the actual bani itself, or is some of it the aarths? thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laalsingh Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 I was just contemplating on shabad- Aad Gur E Nameh - Guru Nanak Dev Ji Ko Namaskar Jugad Gur E Nameh- Guru Angad Dev Ji Ko Namaskar Satgur E Nameh - Sri Guru Amar Das Ji Ko Namaskar. Sri Gurdev E Nameh - finally my present gurdev- Sri Guru Ram Das Ji Ko Namaskar. Note - Sri indicates one being around maya and controlling the maya. Gurdev is One. Guru Arjan Dev ji Maharaj is not doing Namaskar to them individually. Read Salok just before Sukhmani. ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਆਦਿ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮੰਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿ ਉਧਰਾ ॥ Also ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਨਮਸਕਰਾ ॥੧॥ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 I think you will find both sargun and nirgun upashna is being done. Sor the Sargun you must understand the four different terms used for the Guru's Aad - primal Guru, Sri GUru Nanak Dev Ji Jugaad - Jug means 2, Jugaad is for the second following the primal - Sri Guru Angad Dev ji Satgureh - Satguru is a term used alot now as a term of spiritual status for the Guru. The common interpretation is that is means 'True master' or 'True Guru'. However at the time of the Gurus and still now your ustad is refered to as Gurdev and your Gurdevs ustaad is refered to as Satguru. So Guru Arjan Dev Ji are paying their respects to their gurdevs (Sri Guru Ram DAs Ji) Gurdev (Sri Guru Amar Das Ji). The Term Satguru here is specifically for Sri Guru Amar Das Ji. Sri Gurdev - As i stated above the spiritual master at the time was referred to as Gurdev. Here Guru Arjan DEv Ji pay their respects to their Gurdev, Sri Guru Ram Das Ji. Here you also find the term 'Sri'. This is due to Maya coming into the shelter of the Guru. Ithaas states that Guru Nanak Dev Ji kept Maya at a distance of 11km from them, Guru Angad Dev Ji kept Maya at 7 km away and Guru Amar Das Ji at 4 Km. A the time of Guru Ram Das Ji being seated on the takhat of the panth Maya came to the Guru with a request for shelter which was granted In this way the 4 terms are in accordance with sargun upashna 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 "A the time of Guru Ram Das Ji being seated on the takhat of the panth Maya came to the Guru with a request for shelter which was granted" wow this new info regarding the km sounds awesome. what is meant by shelter here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 (edited) to come under the protection of the Guru. You will be able to find this information in sant gurbachan singh ji's katha and sant kirpal singh ji's amir bhandar. i think sodhi teja singh also wrote the same Edited November 15, 2009 by Kam1825 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsingh96 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 jsingh ji, thank u for sharing could you please clarify if all 3 lines above are the actual bani itself, or is some of it the aarths? thanks the lines in gurmukhi are gurbani, the english is translation/interpretation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navjot2 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 but compare to first salok of Japuji are you saying there are four kinds of 'sach' also? of course not. the Guru is ONE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Here is another line from Salok Mahalla 9 with both nirgun and sargun upashna kahu naanak eih bipath mai ttaek eaek raghunaath |55| with the nirgun upashna about god in the pad arth while in the antreev arth it is about the raghu natha, the light of the solar dynasty, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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