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After reading around the subject it is always nice to come back to gurbani and read again. Sometimes a subtle pangti sticks out that you didn't appreciate before.

Ang 313

While asleep, they chant, "Waaho! Waaho!", and while awake, they chant, "Waaho!" as well. (Isn't this an hint to learn to take the consciousness through waking, dreaming and deep sleep states, i.e. learn to stay conscious in sleep by attuning oneself to the shabad or what I now understand to be the state of yogic sleep; body asleep but mind is awake and aware)

sa-uday vaahu vaahu uchrahi uth-day bhee vaahu karayn.

My tongue is not satisfied by praising Him; He has linked my consciousness with the Lord, my Beloved.

jihvaa saalaahi na raj-ee har pareetam chit laa-ay.

O Nanak, my mind hungers for the Name of the Lord; my mind is satisfied, tasting the sublime essence of the Lord.

naanak naavai kee man bhukh hai man tariptai har ras khaa-ay.

The Gurmukhs chant and meditate on the Shabad, and lovingly center their consciousness on it.

gurmukh jaapai sabad liv laa-ay.

They hear and believe in the Name of the Lord; they are absorbed in the Name of the Lord.

har naam sun mannay har naam samaa-ay.

He is always invited, but he does not go to the Mansion of the Lord`s Presence. How shall he be accepted in the Court of the Lord? (What is the signature of the invitation and how does one go inside?)

sadaa bulaa-ee-ai mahal na aavai ki-o kar dargeh seejhai.

How rare are those who know the Mansion of the True Guru; they stand with their palms pressed together.

satgur kaa mahal virlaa jaanai sadaa rahai kar jorh.

veerji just asking which app do u use for gurbani tuks?

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Had a very strange experience last night as I sat down doing my jaap aloud. I was focusing on the sound but after a while, I think it was about 30 mins, I started feeling as if my consciousness was being pulled inward towards the centre my head and I struggled to keep a lock on the sound of my own voice. The jaap began to drawn out but know I was chanting at the same volume. It was like drowning in one's own mind where you trying to swim to the surface of awareness. Not sure how else to describe it.

Still trying to master the first step.

Ang 322

Those who chant the Lord`s Name with their tongues and hear it with their ears are saved, O my friend.

rasnaa uchrai har sarvanee sunai so uDhrai mitaa.

If the beggar begs for the Lord`s Name every day, his Lord and Master will grant his request.

jaachik mangai nit naam saahib karay kabool.

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Had a very strange experience last night as I sat down doing my jaap aloud. I was focusing on the sound but after a while, I think it was about 30 mins, I started feeling as if my consciousness was being pulled inward towards the centre my head and I struggled to keep a lock on the sound of my own voice. The jaap began to drawn out but know I was chanting at the same volume. It was like drowning in one's own mind where you trying to swim to the surface of awareness. Not sure how else to describe it.

Still trying to master the first step.

Ang 322

Those who chant the Lord`s Name with their tongues and hear it with their ears are saved, O my friend.

rasnaa uchrai har sarvanee sunai so uDhrai mitaa.

If the beggar begs for the Lord`s Name every day, his Lord and Master will grant his request.

jaachik mangai nit naam saahib karay kabool.

Whenever I read your posts, it gives me a boost.

Waaaa He Gu Rooooooooooooo !

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Yesterday as I was listening to kirtan very intently my mind sort of went blank the only thing that was in my mind was the kirtan everything else was dead it only lasted less than 5 seconds but felt very good there was also a warmth in my chest area as this was going on. Was there any spiritual significance behind this or do you guys think it was only my brain playing tricks on me has this happened to any of you?

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Yesterday as I was listening to kirtan very intently my mind sort of went blank the only thing that was in my mind was the kirtan everything else was dead it only lasted less than 5 seconds but felt very good there was also a warmth in my chest area as this was going on. Was there any spiritual significance behind this or do you guys think it was only my brain playing tricks on me has this happened to any of you?

This might be what in spirtual books is called the state of Sahaj. This is what is suppose to happen when are thoughts stop bothering us. When we do Simran, we focus on the Gurmantar only after sometime going into that state becomes easy, because thoughts are creating all the noise in the mind. When the thoughts stop the mind is in a state of peace.

This state will help you to advance in Bhagti even more because focusing on the Gurmanter will become easy.

I dont know if this is what you experienced but maybe will give you an idea.

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I believe Sunn is when one loses connection with the body almost like sleep and enters a very deep state of meditation.

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I believe Sunn is when one loses connection with the body almost like sleep and enters a very deep state of meditation.

thanks for correcting me Sat Ji thats right. What probably he experienced was sahaj for couple of seconds. Remember were all learning here forgive me.

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We have heard, seen quite a few Mahapurkhs live or even on the webs, on how to meditate, or on what to meditate...

Let us also see what our beloved Sachay Patshah Sree Guru Ram Das, has to tell us on this matter.

In the following line, He tells us, that the whole world meditates in one way or the other for different purposes, but he alone meditates on the Nam, if one is so graced by Him, because he alone crosses Bhavsagar, whom He wishes so...

ਜੇ ਵਡ ਭਾਗ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ

Jae Vadd Bhaag Hovehi, Vaddabhaagee Thaa Har Har Naam Dhhiaavai

जे वड भाग होवहि वडभागी ता हरि हरि नामु धिआवै

If someone is very fortunate, and is blessed with great high destiny, then he meditates on the Name of the Lord, Har, Har.

And in this following line, He is telling us, that if you meditate on the Nam, you shall find eternal peace, joy and bliss, because the result of meditating on Nam, is that you shall merge in it.

ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਨਾਮੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੇ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਵੈ

Naam Japath Naamae Sukh Paavai, Har Naamae Naam Samaavai

नामु जपत नामे सुखु पावै हरि नामे नामि समावै

Chanting the Naam, the Name of the Lord, he finds peace, and merges in the Naam.

This is no fantasy, many may wonder why so much of Nam is mentioned at all times, why so much stress on it ?

That is, because we are sikhs of true Gurmukhs, who come for the only purpose of our union, with our True Father Wahiguru Akal Purukh, and that per the Bani, is only possible by meditating on the Nam, which they declare as the only reality throughout all the yugas.

As they have said:

ਸਭ ਜੁਗ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਊਤਮੁ ਹੋਈ

Sabh Jug Mehi Naam Ootham Hoee

सभ जुग महि नामु ऊतमु होई

Throughout all the ages, the Naam is the ultimate, the most sublime.

Our destiny is somehow in our hands, it is up to us to follow Gurmat and get freed from this mayavee creation, or remain entangled with the affairs of this world like jaat, paat, dharam, mazab...etc.

The path of Gurmat is of devotion, and to be a devtotee of Akal Purukh, also has to be learnt from our Guru Sahibans.

They clearly tell us:

ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਏ ਭਗਤੁ ਜਨੁ ਸੋਈ

Har Naam Dhhiaaeae, Bhagath Jan Soee

हरि नामु धिआए भगतु जनु सोई

They who meditate on the Lord's Nam, they alone are His devotees.

Waheguru, kaun jaane guna tere..... Ooch Apaar Beant Soami.

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Now, couple of days back, same channled source indicated that ALL the states goes throught the Kaal's play and I should NOT have stopped enjoying that state. So, I just hope that it will start again. So, at this point of time my understanding is that if one wants to move further then keep in mind the 3 following things:

1. Enjoy the current state and don't feel sad as this is not coming from your Guru and just coming from Kaal. Do NOT stop enjoying whatever comes your way.

2. As Maha Singh mentioned that don't always stay at one state and remember that you HAVE to move forward.

3. GURU is must; otherwise who will put us to next level? So, without Guru reaching higher AND correct states WITHOUT taking wrong route is not possible at all.

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Just added the 3rd point.

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Shabad GURU Surat Dhun Chella will be the guide...

If you follow the sound then it will take you back to the source like following a river up stream to the very beginning from where it all started.... waheguru

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Some questions have been arised in this thread as well as on other, on meditation, on the Shabad Dhun, the Sounds one hears..if to listen those from the right, left or center...and so on.....

In the above post Veer Sat Jee, has beautifully expressed in a simple manner, the result of catching hold of the right Sounds, which then take us back to our Nijh Ghar, Sach Khand.

In the Granth Sahib, in Raag Ramkali, Bani of Sree Kabir Sahib Jee Maharaj, tells us in the following lines, how to listen that Sound, from where to listen to it..and what happens if you attach yourself to that Sound:

ਸੁਖਮਨ ਨਾਰੀ ਸਹਜ ਸਮਾਨੀ ਪੀਵੈ ਪੀਵਨਹਾਰਾ

Sukhaman Naaree Sehaj Samaanee Peevai Peevanehaaraa

सुखमन नारी सहज समानी पीवै पीवनहारा

The Shushmanaa, the central spinal channel, is intuitively balanced, and the drinker drinks in this wine.

He says: the Sound which is to be heard, is the one which is heard from the center of your forehead, between the two eyes, because that one is the Amrit, which the sikh, the disciple, is eager to find and have it.

Worldly wine makes one person loose all it balance, and makes him like a wild mad elephant ....that is worldy wine or liquor.

But when one drinks this Wine or Amrit of Nam, of Shabad, the mind is vanquished, and the soul regains its freedom, to go back and merge in Him.

Further on He says:

ਉਨਮਦ ਚਢਾ ਮਦਨ ਰਸੁ ਚਾਖਿਆ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਨ ਭਇਆ ਉਜਿਆਰਾ

Ounamadh Chadtaa Madhan Ras Chaakhiaa Thribhavan Bhaeiaa Oujiaaraa

उनमद चढा मदन रसु चाखिआ त्रिभवन भइआ उजिआरा

When that wine rises up, one tastes the sublime essence of this juice, and sees across the three worlds.

He means that, when one drinks that Nectar of Nam, one tastes the essence of that Nam, and the effect of that drinking Amrit, in this case listening, to that melodious Shabad ringing within us, one´s consciousness is wiped away from all impurities, thus we get the power from that Nam, to cross all the three planes, namely the physical, the astral, and the causal....then only one crosses Brahm, and reaches Paarbraham. After that, though the path is a highway to Sach Khand, but still then, one has to remain seated in the Jahaaz of Nam, in order to reach our true Home, Sach Khand.

So we can clearly see, that the way to reach Sach Khand, right from the begining, is holding on to the Shabad, the Nam, which is ringing within us all the times nonstop, and the method to catch that Shabad is through Nam Simran.

That is why all our Guru Sahibans, Gurmukhs, stress so much on Nam Bhakti, because it is the only weapon to kill the mind and defeat Kal.

One more thing we learn from Kabeer Sahib´s Bani today, is that, the sounds to be paid attention which pull us upwards, are the ones which start from the third eye level and above, but not like those by yogic practices which instead of taking us upwards, bring us downwards, towards throat center, heart center, navel center and the still belower, the ganesh center... our goal is upwards, towards the region of eternity(Sach Khand), not the lower stages or chakras ...which are very much in the realms of being part and parcel of transitory, and thus perishable creation.

This is the difference between the yogas and Gurmat...while one releases the shakti within us and keep us bound in the creation by pulling our attention to the lower centers; Gurmat, opens the real power within us, the power of Nam, the Shabad, which gradually frees us from the creation, by cutting all our bondages, and thus making us worthy of merging and becoming one with Wahiguru.

The path of Gurmat is unique and superior to all others from any angle, from any point of view. All other paths are, made by the negative power, to keep the soluls entangled in the creation, by creating the impressions, that those sounds and results, are similar to those who walk on Gurmat, he cheats the souls .... there are countless universes and creations within us, so if proper guidance is not there, we may just wander aimlessly and miss our goal

But the purpose of Gurmukhs is always inwards and upwards... so it is always better and safer to take guidance with Gurmat.

Bahut Janam vichurethe Madho, ehe janam tumare lekhey...

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One more thing we learn from Kabeer Sahib´s Bani today, is that, the sounds to be paid attention which pull us upwards, are the ones which start from the third eye level and above, but not like those by yogic practices which instead of taking us upwards, bring us downwards, towards throat center, heart center, navel center and the still belower, the ganesh center... our goal is upwards, towards the region of eternity(Sach Khand), not the lower stages or chakras ...which are very much in the realms of being part and parcel of transitory, and thus perishable creation.

This is the difference between the yogas and Gurmat...while one releases the shakti within us and keep us bound in the creation by pulling our attention to the lower centers; Gurmat, opens the real power within us, the power of Nam, the Shabad, which gradually frees us from the creation, by cutting all our bondages, and thus making us worthy of merging and becoming one with Wahiguru.

The path of Gurmat is unique and superior to all others from any angle, from any point of view. All other paths are, made by the negative power, to keep the soluls entangled in the creation, by creating the impressions, that those sounds and results, are similar to those who walk on Gurmat, he cheats the souls .... there are countless universes and creations within us, so if proper guidance is not there, we may just wander aimlessly and miss our goal

But the purpose of Gurmukhs is always inwards and upwards... so it is always better and safer to take guidance with Gurmat.

Some real valid points !

I totally agree about staying within our gurmat guidelines and being careful not to stray.

There were in the past many yogis that saw yoga as more of a Physical system of suppression/manouvres with a Spiritual component. Whereas, nowadays it is much more of a Spiritual system with a Physical component.

As some of you may be aware, I have been practicing kundalini yoga for nearly a year now. I am NOT trying to sell this science to anyone, but it has definitely had a positive impact on me. :D

I find that it is an art of extending spiritual devotion into physical discipline. Done properly, it clears the mind, heightens awareness, strengthen the spine and body, teaches stamina and endurance, and Yes, it can give a feeling of Transcendent joy and spiritual ecstasy that I can't describe in words. :blush:

On the 2 nights that I come back from classes, I always have the most intense and positively deeper simran sessions where i feel a closer connection.

It's most likely because the 90 minute classes leave me with a very positive, vibrating and stronger aura that also helps enhance my own inner heights.

I can only say that the yoga, kriyas and meditation combinations we do in class, all contribute to these very rewarding factors. B):P

Like I said, I am not a salesman trying to sell this science to any of you, but rather encouraging us to be willing to contemplate higher ways of doing things without dismissing them out of hand because of preconceived notions that may not be true.

We know blind faith and empty practices are not gurmat but we have this habit of carrying these same ideas into any other associated practices. :ph34r:

In the midst of our everyday lives, we are busy with work,family,kids...etc.. and some of us find it difficult to combine spiritual gurmat devotion with other functions in day to day life.

In this worldly setting, I find that we all have plenty of room and time for more holiness and reaching higher heights, so I don't find anything manmat about doing a physical activity for general wellbeing that can leave me feeing much more elevated on a sacred scale.

We are repeatedly reminded that we should try and keep the company of the sadh sangat in day to day settings.

This 'sadh sangat' doesn't necessarily mean the company of the holy or the sangat in guru ghar. It is the company of those that can help inspire and enhance your own inner development. OR quite simply, the people that can help promote to bring out the best in yourself !

For me personally, my kundlaini yoga sessions are just one of my role players of sangat that help my own development and I only desire to continue pursuing them.

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I have had quite a few member's asking via pm's, with regards to jap and even rom rom, that I have mentioned earlier. So, I shall try and explain as far as I know and how I've gone about this approach.

I won't confuse with rom rom yet,because I am trying to get around this myself at the moment.

It's important to try and understand what Swaas graas and swaas swaas is firstly.

But even more importantly, we should understand a little about what baikhri, madhma, pasant and para mean.

For these explanations, we have some very good info in one post that has been displayed on a number of threads and below is just one thread that you can access this same info for reference.

NOTE- just to simplify.........

Baikhri- is doing jap loudly

Madhma- is quietly, like whisper.

Pasant- is silent jap, where there is no sound out from mouth.

Para- is more further, when YOU are not making the effort to say, but waheguru himself is speaking-This borders/overlaps on further to anhad and rom rom (auto mode)

Before we even attempt rom rom, we have to SET the saas graas and saas saas as primary foundations.

I know there can be a lot of confusion between the two, and I never quite understood the difference for a long time.

But from what I gather and the approach I made, I believe it to be as described below (in brief)

Saas Graas

This is done using gurmantar with BOTH breaths.

1) Breath in is ''Wahe'' along with slight pull of navel in.

2) Breath out is ''Guru'' along with relaxing of navel(comes back outwards)

In between (1) and (2), is an important space of silence or void, that one should try and maintain each breath in and out.

This should be a space of no thoughts in between, but you still have your dhyan there !

So, in effect it will sound like-...

1- inhale ''wahe''

2- HOLD, and then

3- exhale ''Guru''

It should appear as.......Wahe...silence...Guru, ...Wahe...silence...Guru, ...Wahe...silence...Guru, ...etc....

Practice, practice, practice ...until you are doing this until you can bring ALL thoughts just down to One single thought,and then none !

then next you move onto-

Saas Saas-

1st STAGE

Again, the same gurmantar and breathing technique used, BUT only step 1) from above, while inhaling WITHOUT saying 'wahe' with tongue !

so,......

1) Inhale in with SILENT internal 'wahe' with breath and navel inwards

2) Exhale with 'Guru' out and relaxing navel outwards.

Therefore, you are doing the same as saas graas, but the only sound from tongue should be ''Guru' coming out on exhale, but the gaps, pace and lengths would be the same as if you were saying the 'wahe' as well.

In effect, it will sound like...-

1- Breathe in, (no sound except of breath)

2- Hold for a second

3- Breathe out with 'Guru' sound.

repeat.

It should appear as ..Inhale.. silence... 'Guru', .. Inhale..silence...Guru', ..Inhale..silence..'Guru'...etc.

Practice, practice and practice.. Again make the goal of killing the thoughts and using that void of silence to help steady mind.

2nd STAGE

Eventually you want to get to just doing the breathing without any slight tongue movements.

ie. ... breathe in..slight hold...breath out..... and while doing this you are silently japping Wahe-(in) and Guru-(out) by mentally incorporating the gurmanter in every saas.........this is Saas Saas simran.

The 1st stage was a build up the 2nd stage where there should only be the sound of Breath in and Breath out now (only hear the saas) and the gurmantar is actually in your breath and you can hear it yourself but there is no tongue/sound making movement. Therfore, you will hear it, but others will only hear your rhythmic breathing.

Personally, I think it is easier to always start with saas graas and then progress to saas saas, in every simran session.

Whist also going from baikri to pasant/silent jap.

With time, you will find you start going deeper and deeper whilst listening to the gurmantar.

The other key is to listen,listen and listen.

What I have given above is just the way that I was doing it after researching and reading from all other sources. Everyone can vary it slightly to suit their needs in order to help them get rid of the thoughts and HOLD that mind there.

Once you really start listening to the jap and it starts embedding itself within you, then with Waheguru's kirpa, you shall start hearing the anhad/naad/primordial/celestial sounds or Waheguru's voice itself !

Please don't take the above as official simran rules or anything, because they are just my own final conclusions of what I ended up doing in the end after playing about with all sorts of other jugtees and techniques. They may be of some help to some to some of you who are going around in circles trying to settle in that little comfort zone where you feel some decent progress.

By all means, other members can add/advise/disregard any of the steps mentioned.

I am just a regular dude trying to pursue the path and be as far away from the sins I have continuously committed throughout my life.

Waheguru.

Edited by Lucky

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Singh,

My son has been born with a very rare condition and the only medical cure is a liver transplant when he is older. Until such a time he will have to under go daily medical therapy. He was only discharged from hospital a few days ago because there is nothing more they can do for the time being. Hoping for a miracle but also learning to accept the divine will..

Thanks for asking.

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Apparently the condition is so rare that Queen Elizabeth has been told about it and rumour has it she wants to meet him. lol

So we may be invited to Buckingham Palace for cha and cucumber sandwiches. :D

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Apparently the condition is so rare that Queen Elizabeth has been told about it and rumour has it she wants to meet him. lol

So we may be invited to Buckingham Palace for cha and cucumber sandwiches. :D

Lol

Your son and Kate middlton's son can be best pals :P

How old does your son have to be to get a kidney transplant?

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Doctors are not saying yet but early indications are when he is 7-10 years old unless the situation requires it to be performed sooner.

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I'm just going to share some personal info and tips of how to try and counteract our own personal obstacles in simran.

There are times when you just can't settle in, no matter how hard you try. On the other hand there are times when we settle right in without making much effort.

Like everyone else, I have had very early mornings where I get up all psyched and ready to go battle the 5 thieves in the day ahead. Then after doing japji when i try and settle in to the simran...........Nothing !! :o

The mind will wander.., i will start again........ and....... nothing again.. ...This then becomes an ongoing cycle and I will look at the clock and think ''why have i wasted 15 minutes trying to settle in.''?

Sometimes, I tell myself that it's not going to happen now and I should maybe attempt later on. Whereas other times I will be adamant that I should be doing it, because even if i try going back to sleep.....I won't.!

It almost becomes a corkscrew effect, because if I try and analyze what thoughts are coming in, they can be the thought of 'why can't I settle in, I was fine yesterday, i've slept, i'm fresh...''...etc

So you end up thinking about your reason of not focusing, which itself prevents you focusing further....

I'm sure we have our own suggestions of what may work for us personally, but I thought I might suggest a few that i've tried successfully, that maybe you could try and think of next time !

1) I start with just taking a real deep breath in and filling your chest up.

2) Hold your breath and suspend the chest, and try keep a stillness.

-You should feel a settling in silence from within.

3) Then let the breath out slowly when you feel comfortable.

(But don't hold it too long so that you reach a maximum point of where you have to get a massive sigh of relief when letting it out)

4) Repeat this about 4 times OR until you feel that little space of inner quietness and stillness when suspending/holding.

Usually this should work and give you that 'tuning in' kick to get going.

****If this doesn't help, then I usually think back to what I used to do when I started in the earlier days ?

For me, I tend to just picture a mental image of my favorite Guru Nanak portrait or some other Guruji picture in the house.

NOTE- this is not ''idol worship'' stuff,- but a point of focus.

The worship process starts when you bring the gurmantar in, in my opinion, i have never seen it as manmat !

****Another little tip that could be useful after you have started and then seem to drift away is to-

....Just open your eyes and gaze right in front of you without moving your eyes around or looking around the room.

- Just look at whatever object is in front of you for only a split second, and then close your eyes back.

****-I usually put my focus to a central point in between the eyebrows and slightly higher (agna chakra area).

-Just look for this little dot of light or even a dot that is darker than the background screen you see.

-When you see it keep your eyes on this, as it will help keep the eyes still.

.....I know it gets painful for some people to look at that point, if so you could just look at any central point lower down in stead. This can be the bridge between eyes or the tip of your nose.

****Another method that I sometimes revert to is to put your Dhian on navel whilst listening to the 'Waheguru' gurmantar.

This is useful if you are doing the saas graas /saas graas I explained in ealier post where the navel pull in/out is being used.

I used to find this very useful when i started saas graas because i would get the sequence of -'navel in and wahe'- the wrong way round. The dhian on navel would help keep the correct sequence as well as the simran itself.

NOTE- the above few techniques are about focus whilst paying attention to the sound/dhun of gurmantar.

It's not happening if your dhian is on the navel/3rd eye and you are not paying attention to ''Wahe-Guru''

I will add some more little tips/techniques that i have found useful if you guys find these useful.

Even now, I find that sometimes you forget what to do if you can't focus. So, it's a good idea to 'revise' these like a college student to remember them when needed.

I often read through tips/techniques every now and again as a little refresher course.

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