Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?

[BhagatSingh]

1 hour ago, HisServant said:

Just another quick update. I was hearing crickets this morning in the left ear and then it slowly turned into a high pitched frequency, 

I'm not sure if this is the same "high frequency" mentioned above. In the right ear I was hearing some sort of cross between rainfall and a vocal mumbling (kind of like aliens mumbling). But it felt really really good - especially the side that was hearing the high pitch sound. I had to get ready and go somewhere but there was no desire to get up. I usually lose the sounds as soon as I leave my room but I could hear them while walking around the house - the TV was on in the house but the sounds were still present. I ended up losing them when I went to take a shower - the sound of the water masked the shabad. Finding the sounds during the day is still very difficult. I only hear them at night. All that happens during the day is pavan shabad. So my main two issues right now is:

1) Not being able to hear  shabad when there are external sounds 

2) Not being able to hear shabad during the day (it's only there at night)

If I can get around these two issues I'll have a lot more freedom/time to practice. 

But all I can say right now is that the high pitched sound that happened this morning was just beautiful. My entire body felt so good listening to it. I cannot imagine what it must feel like for those at deeper stages.

I am not sure if you are working closely with @Lucky bhaji's methodology.

If you are then that's good, you should probably go with it.

 

But I'll share my thoughts on this, in case it helps you or anyone else reading -

 

What is your goal with meditation?

What are you trying to accomplish in the long run?

What do you want out of it now? Tomorrow? Next week? Next year? Next 5 years?

Think about this seriously.

Because it is important to have a goal with things that you want to pursue seriously.

 

If your goal is to try to increase the volume of these sounds, the Shabad sounds, to the point where you can hear them above the volume of Running Water, then put your attention on the sounds as much as possible.

Is that what you want to do? Because that is something you can certainly do.

I knew a client who could make the Shabad sound really loud, with such high energy.

He called it the inner Om.

He said he could make it sound louder than the loudest concert.

He had reached really high energy states.

I have also done meditations with the goal of making these louder by putting my attention in them and amping their volume up.

That is something you can meditate on and with.

 

Now... there is a difference between these Shabad sounds, and regular sounds, such as that of Running Water, as @Lucky points out in above post.

When you meditate, you pull back from the sounds of the world and then you head these inner sounds.

When you stop the monologue running in the mind, then you hear these inner sounds.

 

But ultimately even these Shabad sounds, is also an Experience that Consciousness (Atma/Parmatma) is having, just like your other experience of Running Water sounds or the experience of internal monologue.

 

 

These Shabad sounds can be called Anhad Shabad because they are Anhad from the perspective of the World. They are An-Had, Un-Struck, they don't have a source in the world.

But they are Had, struck, from the perspective of Consciousness.

From Absolute Consciousness perspective, they are struck by Absolute Consciousness.

They are coming from Consciousness, just like any other sound from the world.

So from the perspective from Consciousness, these are not utlimately Anhad.

That's why I say that ultimately even these Shabad sounds, is also an Experience that Consciousness is having.

Ultimately Consciousness is Anhad because there is nothing prior to it, nothing strikes to create Consciousness.


So how do you go from these Shabad sounds to Consciousness (Atma/Parmatma)?

How do you listen to the Anhad Shabad that is behind the Anhad Shabad?

What I would do in this situation is to try to keep my focus on the space in which the Shabad sounds are arising.

Think who is listening to Anhad Shabad, and pay attention to that One, who is the space in which you experience the unstruck sounds.

[Sat1176]

4 hours ago, Mehar said:

Sorry i can not connect to this link ... can u post it again

They are available online now on the Ratwara Sahib website.

 

[Lucky]

9 hours ago, HisServant said:

Just another quick update. I was hearing crickets this morning in the left ear and then it slowly turned into a high pitched frequency

Ok. This sounds all good. Funny thing is that I had these cricket like sounds come twice. They were there in early stages and then re-emerged in later stages. Must have been some blocked energy channels(sukham) that needed re-activating.  We all have different areas that need addressing at separate times and that's why people experience sounds in differing patterns.

9 hours ago, HisServant said:

In the right ear I was hearing some sort of cross between rainfall and a vocal mumbling (kind of like aliens mumbling)

These are also very good and I sort of understand what they are (from my own experiences).  It's what they lead to and what can follow along the same path, that is of importance.  I can't say much about this on open forum due to a few reasons, but I think I gave some hints in pm not long ago.  

You should raise your surti(consciousness) by continuing simran to get to next levels. When this happens, you will find more nishanees/avasthas in gurbani. This is always the final verification and re-assurance from guru. As the gurbani rapport builds up "Guru maneyo granth" starts becoming apparent. If I don't find my answer in gurbani, then I know my experience wasn't part of the path or avastha.

9 hours ago, HisServant said:

1) Not being able to hear  shabad when there are external sounds 

2) Not being able to hear shabad during the day (it's only there at night)

This takes practice and it's certainly possible. As @BhagatSingh veer (below) said above; you can meditate on it. 

The anhad will be 24/7 when pargat. You can tune into it any time, any place. 

I practiced a few weeks by using some earplugs and blocking out everything external.  I did 2-3 hour sessions, three times per 24hr-day (about 9hr/day total).  Session at amrit vela and at least 2 or more sittings during the day. I was able to amp up and start differentiating between the frequencies. You can start identifying several different  frequency tones and it will make you appreciate the numerous raags in gurbani.     I recommend the "hearos" brand ear plugs, since they were the most comfortable and strong at 33 decibal noise reduction.    The ear plugs certainly helped to intensify the shabad during those few weeks. I don't need to use them now unless it's noisy in the house or the street, but the magnitude continues to increase and change. 

The shabad-dhun is very powerful and its not just a dhun. It can guide you in the most unexplainable ways if you let your self be the chela.  Along with gurbani, you will come to realize just how easy Guru Nanak ji made it.

Shabad gets your naam pargat and naam itself becomes the shabad. That's your direct passport, visa and flight to get to EK ,..hence Nanak Naam Jahaz hai

8 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

If your goal is to try to increase the volume of these sounds, the Shabad sounds, to the point where you can hear them above the volume of Running Water, then put your attention on the sounds as much as possible.

Is that what you want to do? Because that is something you can certainly do.

I knew a client who could make the Shabad sound really loud, with such high energy.

He called it the inner Om.

He said he could make it sound louder than the loudest concert.

He had reached really high energy states.

I have also done meditations with the goal of making these louder by putting my attention in them and amping their volume up.

That is something you can meditate on and with.

 

[BhagatSingh]

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

It's what they lead to and what can follow along the same path, that is of importance. I can't say much about this on open forum due to a few reasons, but I think I gave some hints in pm not long ago.  

Indeed.

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

If I don't find my answer in gurbani, then I know my experience wasn't part of the path or avastha.

Any examples? Maybe it is mentioned but not in english translation or something.

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I was able to amp up and start differentiating between the frequencies. You can start identifying several different  frequency tones and it will make you appreciate the numerous raags in gurbani. 

This reminds me of Shin Zen Young, who talks about this type of meditation a lot.

He says you can apply this "identify and clarify" technique to many stimulus, like sights and feelings as well as sound frequencies.

You simply try to go in there and break the experience down into smaller mangeable chunks that you can clarify those chunks via your attention (like how Gheo is made by clarifying butter thorugh heat).

Your Consciousness acts like heat that clarifies your experience and turns it into gheo.

 

A worldly example -  let's say you are angry.

You look at the components of the anger, you identify the feelings in your body, the inner dialogue and frustration/exhaustion components.

Where is the anger located in your body? Feel it there.

Notice your blood coursing through the veins, the energy of the anger present in the body.

What other feelings arise with it? Take note of them individually.

Is there frustration? What is the quality of that?

is there jealousy? What is the quality of that?

It is a very powerful to meditate on anger in this way, to purify it into Pure Energy.

Bhakti / Shakti

 

1. Pay attention.

2. Break things down into their fundamental components.

3. Notice the qualities of those components.

4. Refine those qualities by Clarifying them with your Attention.

5. Profit

 

For those who want to know more about this technique or looking for a scientific approach to meditation, I recommend checking out Shin Zen Young's youtube channel called - ExpandContract.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNetIhxFinw

 

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

The shabad-dhun is very powerful and its not just a dhun. It can guide you in the most unexplainable ways if you let your self be the chela.  Along with gurbani, you will come to realize just how easy Guru Nanak ji made it. 

It is quite powerful and Guru Nanak Dev ji did make it quite easy.

Those who start earning spiritual wealth, once they get over the initial hurdle, they earn more and more with the inspiration that is available in Gurbani, quite easily.

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

Shabad gets your naam pargat and naam itself becomes the shabad.

What do you mean by this?

[HisServant]

Thank you @BhagatSingh and @Lucky as usual. I don't want to post too many updates so I think this may be the last for a while - a lot of things have just been happening all of a sudden. I went to a full day simran jaap at someones house the other day - a lot of people with progress were there so I think they might have triggered something. 

But anyways - as of yesterday - I have begun to be able to get the chimta noise going close to 24/7. Sometimes I forget about it and it turns off but as soon as I remember it, the sound starts again. I was even able to keep it going in a loud busy langar hall yesterday. However, there are still occasional moments where I struggle. The sunk (conch shell) noise, on the other hand, is still only a nighttime phenomenon. I was able to hear it during the day today in a quiet library, but once I stepped out it was gone again.

It's only been a few days but the impact is insane. I used to be a fast talker, but all of a sudden I'm so relaxed. I'm talking slower and quieter. There are absolutely no tensions or worries about anything. 

Last night was interesting. I was on the phone with someone and I started hearing hard gusts of wind and thunder in both ears. This same sound came a few times in the past but it was followed by a very loud blast. So I have been wondering if that blast is coming again. The last few times it happened I wasn't able to handle it. And I remember @Sat1176 also posted about it one time.

@Lucky is there anything we should do if that blast were to ever come back? 

I think I remember Bhai Sewa Singh Tarmala talking about this sound and saying that a light would be produced after the sound. The last time it happened I remember there were flashes of light (like a lightning storm) and there were loud thunder noises and my entire body felt like I was going down a roller coaster (including physical sensations on the skin). But it was so momentary. It ended very quickly because I started questioning what was happening. 

I also think (in the same video) he mentioned that if rom rom isn't pargat you won't be able to handle the experience. But again, this is just based on memory. I can't remember which video it was or what was exactly said.

[BhagatSingh]

4 hours ago, HisServant said:

It's only been a few days but the impact is insane. I used to be a fast talker, but all of a sudden I'm so relaxed. I'm talking slower and quieter. There are absolutely no tensions or worries about anything.

That's a sign of a good meditation session.

Your voice gets deeper as well, and starts resonating from your stomach.

3 hours ago, HisServant said:

The last time it happened I remember there were flashes of light (like a lightning storm) and there were loud thunder noises and my entire body felt like I was going down a roller coaster (including physical sensations on the skin). But it was so momentary. It ended very quickly because I started questioning what was happening. 

That happened to me a few times during sleep. The first couple times, it caught me off guard, and like you, I started questioning it and it ended when I did.

The first time I got too scared, the other times the fear went away but the excitement was still there.

That excitement was preventing me from Clarifying this experience.

But I didn't know that at the time.

So it didn't happen for a while, and during that time I found a video by this guy called Rich2150x

Rich talked about how when strong turbulent vibrations come, then you have to just stay calm and not get too excited about it and just go "hmm" as if its nothing and simply take note of it in a very detached objective manner.

So then when it happened again, I remembered to stay chill as if it was nothing.

I stayed calm and chanted Ram.

Then something special happened.

But what made the vibrational storm manageable was watching it with a non-excited, non-questioning, non-fearful, detached, objective eye.

This is also applicable to emotional storms.

[Lucky]

8 hours ago, HisServant said:

went to a full day simran jaap at someones house the other day - a lot of people with progress were there so I think they might have triggered something. 

The energy generated from super positive sangat and the cloud of divine spirit around you can certainly kick you up a few notches. I've encountered this a few times and it leaves you feeling elevated without having made too much effort.

8 hours ago, HisServant said:

But anyways - as of yesterday - I have begun to be able to get the chimta noise going close to 24/7. Sometimes I forget about it and it turns off but as soon as I remember it, the sound starts again. I was even able to keep it going in a loud busy langar hall yesterday. However, there are still occasional moments where I struggle. The sunk (conch shell) noise, on the other hand, is still only a nighttime phenomenon. I was able to hear it during the day today in a quiet library, but once I stepped out it was gone again.

These sounds should become one, so to say.

I think the intentions and pre-conditioning of mind really plays a big role here. I wouldn't advise you continue searching for the same sound again,  the bell, chimta, drums etc.

I remember that I'd always say to myself "OK, got it,..heard that now.. what next ?"  For me, I was able to get through these until they become a single sound. eko naam, eko shabad.    It may help if you try and disciple your inner mind in this way. If you can, then it can be very beneficial in your own self-development because you may awaken to the hidden depths of your mann.

As I always say; listen, acknowledge and then move on.    Don't worry too much about them because they won't go anywhere. You hear them at first, then they fade and become one. You follow that one and then you will hear them again when you are at the darbar. There, they are called panj shabad.    Anand sahib bani says  "vajay panch shabad tit ghar subhagay" At that stage, you're completely out of Kaal's desh (maya) and in chautha pad. The 5 dhuts will be left outside the door behind you (panj dhut tudh vas kithay kaal kantakh mariya).

I said some time ago; the shabads are kind of preliminary, as if  heard earlier as nishanees and signs of progress. Sometimes, they call these pavan shabads to differentiate them from the panj shabads that are heard in the darbar as opposed to outside the darbar.

 

8 hours ago, HisServant said:

is there anything we should do if that blast were to ever come back? 

as @BhagatSingh suggested above, "stay chill as if it's nothing"  I'd probably add, "wait for what's next?"

8 hours ago, HisServant said:

Bhai Sewa Singh Tarmala talking about this sound and saying that a light would be produced after the sound. The last time it happened I remember there were flashes of light (like a lightning storm) and there were loud thunder noises and my entire body felt like I was going down a roller coaster (including physical sensations on the skin). But it was so momentary. It ended very quickly because I started questioning what was happening. 

Thunder like "gobind gajay"   Lightening like light and then the all cooling rain of amrit. Can be felt on every single rom of your body as if it's raining. Gurbani mentions a few of these "amrit varkhai,.. amrit varsai" shabads. 

 

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was going down a roller coaster (including physical sensations on the skin).

^^Next time^^   Just let it be and let the experience take your consciousness. Give your mann and mat to satguru.  The first time this happened,  I had the immediate first 2 lines of the below shabad come into head. "ja-o tao prem khelan ka cha-o, sir dhar tali gali meri a-o".  I immediately put my joined hands on my laps as if in open hath-jor mudra pose, akin to giving an offering. Then, visualized/imagined putting all my consciousness/surti to the Guru and let him do whatever. What happened next, was completely out of this realm.

ਜਉ ਤਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਖੇਲਣ ਕਾ ਚਾਉ ॥
Ja▫o ṯa▫o parem kẖelaṇ kā cẖā▫o.
If you desire to play this game of love with Me,

ਸਿਰੁ ਧਰਿ ਤਲੀ ਗਲੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਆਉ ॥
Sir ḏẖar ṯalī galī merī ā▫o.
then step onto My Path with your head in hand.

ਇਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪੈਰੁ ਧਰੀਜੈ ॥
Iṯ mārag pair ḏẖarījai.
When you place your feet on this Path,

ਸਿਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਕਾਣਿ ਨ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੨੦॥
Sir ḏījai kāṇ na kījai. ||20||
give Me your head, and do not pay any attention to public opinion. ||20||

 

8 hours ago, HisServant said:

rom rom isn't pargat you won't be able to handle the experience.

I've heard that too or may have seen the same video. I can say, that rom rom makes things much easier and that's why I'm always encouraging it. Some people can get it pargat early on, whereas others get it later. 

[Lucky]

On ‎5‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 11:38 PM, BhagatSingh said:

On ‎5‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 9:54 PM, Lucky said:

Shabad gets your naam pargat and naam itself becomes the shabad

What do you mean by this?

Sure.  A few ways explaining this as per gurbani.

Let's say that after doing japna, one starts to hear the shabad or a dhun  It can be very faint at first, and can even be 'hit or miss'.

There's stages where it disappears and remerges again, stages when it vanishes every time you try to listen in.  Even stages when it can go away for a good while until one makes some efforts again. At these levels, its not pargat. it's not 24/7. 

When shabad gets pargat, there are different nishanees in gurbani about what a sevak may experience in meditation and even in everyday life. When these changes and experiences occur, it becomes 24/7. Becomes pargat. It is now called NAAM, the sound of guru's voice, coming from his mukh, Sevak is following path of gurmukh.  

The shabad is naam and naam is shabad. It's all EK.

As well as this, if sevak starts doing everything in tune with this Naam, then he/she will be in hukam of satguru.

ਏਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਦੀਆ ਬੁਝਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥੫॥
Ėko nām hukam hai Nānak saṯgur ḏī▫ā bujẖā▫e jī▫o. ||5||
The One Name is the Lord's Command; O Nanak, the True Guru has given me this understanding. ||5||

 

Guidance of gurbani can show every individual there own verification and nsishanees that they've reached this Naam pargat avastha.

[Sat1176]

14 hours ago, HisServant said:

Thank you @BhagatSingh and @Lucky as usual. I don't want to post too many updates so I think this may be the last for a while - a lot of things have just been happening all of a sudden. I went to a full day simran jaap at someones house the other day - a lot of people with progress were there so I think they might have triggered something. 

But anyways - as of yesterday - I have begun to be able to get the chimta noise going close to 24/7. Sometimes I forget about it and it turns off but as soon as I remember it, the sound starts again. I was even able to keep it going in a loud busy langar hall yesterday. However, there are still occasional moments where I struggle. The sunk (conch shell) noise, on the other hand, is still only a nighttime phenomenon. I was able to hear it during the day today in a quiet library, but once I stepped out it was gone again.

It's only been a few days but the impact is insane. I used to be a fast talker, but all of a sudden I'm so relaxed. I'm talking slower and quieter. There are absolutely no tensions or worries about anything. 

Last night was interesting. I was on the phone with someone and I started hearing hard gusts of wind and thunder in both ears. This same sound came a few times in the past but it was followed by a very loud blast. So I have been wondering if that blast is coming again. The last few times it happened I wasn't able to handle it. And I remember @Sat1176 also posted about it one time.

@Lucky is there anything we should do if that blast were to ever come back? 

I think I remember Bhai Sewa Singh Tarmala talking about this sound and saying that a light would be produced after the sound. The last time it happened I remember there were flashes of light (like a lightning storm) and there were loud thunder noises and my entire body felt like I was going down a roller coaster (including physical sensations on the skin). But it was so momentary. It ended very quickly because I started questioning what was happening. 

I also think (in the same video) he mentioned that if rom rom isn't pargat you won't be able to handle the experience. But again, this is just based on memory. I can't remember which video it was or what was exactly said.

Very inspiring @HisServant Your definitely on a roll fella.

 

I have recently heard that sometimes this loud sound which blasts at you at random times when you talking can be Waheguru communicating with you. You will have to analyse the conversation your were having with the other person when it happened. Sometimes Waheguru blasts you for saying something you should not have said or vice versa. He could be saying stop what you are doing and bring your attention to me. If the sound was so loud it stopped your conversation then you have your answer. This is maybe a skill you will have to learn to master for yourself. Notice the next time it happens during the day. If you doing or saying something which you should not.

For example sometimes you maybe sharing spiritual knowledge with someone who is not ready to receive it or is not to be given that gyan and therefore it comes on right there in the middle of the conversation. This is Waheguru telling you off!

Next time you maybe doing simran  and it comes on, this Waheguru communicating to you in a positive way.

Either way Waheguru is directing your attention on him for that moment in time.

 

[BhagatSingh]

13 hours ago, Lucky said:

Sure.  A few ways explaining this as per gurbani.

Let's say that after doing japna, one starts to hear the shabad or a dhun  It can be very faint at first, and can even be 'hit or miss'.

There's stages where it disappears and remerges again, stages when it vanishes every time you try to listen in.  Even stages when it can go away for a good while until one makes some efforts again. At these levels, its not pargat. it's not 24/7. 

When shabad gets pargat, there are different nishanees in gurbani about what a sevak may experience in meditation and even in everyday life. When these changes and experiences occur, it becomes 24/7. Becomes pargat. It is now called NAAM, the sound of guru's voice, coming from his mukh, Sevak is following path of gurmukh.  

The shabad is naam and naam is shabad. It's all EK.

As well as this, if sevak starts doing everything in tune with this Naam, then he/she will be in hukam of satguru.

ਏਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਦੀਆ ਬੁਝਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥੫॥
Ėko nām hukam hai Nānak saṯgur ḏī▫ā bujẖā▫e jī▫o. ||5||
The One Name is the Lord's Command; O Nanak, the True Guru has given me this understanding. ||5||

Guidance of gurbani can show every individual there own verification and nsishanees that they've reached this Naam pargat avastha.

Oh so in your view Naam is realized when the Anhad Shabad is heard all the time?

You are saying one should try to listen to the internal anhad shabad all the time?

And doing so would require one to meditate all the time. One would have to constantly be alert to their Jyoti and be relaxed in order to hear it.

I see what you are saying.

And now I see where @HisServant is coming from.

Did you come to this insight yourself? or was it recommended by another Gursikh or Mahapurakh?

[Lucky]

8 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

Oh so in your view Naam is realized when the Anhad Shabad is heard all the time?

That's just one of the insignias. This is if you follow the japna techniques and focus on the dhun. Eventually you should hear the shabd dhun and it is 24/7  an-din.

This is just one nishanee if following this practice method. There's a couple of other nishanees that I'm aware of but I'm sure there will be many more in gurbani.

Tricky part. What happens is that when you still the mind, you will hear it. Objective is to be aware of it whilst getting on with the day. It's an ongoing development process where one starts learning to conquer the mind.  There's lots of stages in this conquering starting of with deep khoj within and learning to distinguish between mann's mat and Gur-mat. ie. immediately identifying if your decision making was man-mat or gurmat.

 

8 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

Did you come to this insight yourself? or was it recommended by another Gursikh or Mahapurakh?

It's not from anyone in particular but from what I've summed up from various sources over the years, my own insights (aatmic gyan), experiences and gurbani. It seems to follow the flow of gurbani that I'm understanding.

Naam being pargat is a very important milestone and breakthrough point. Gurbani clarifies this especially the significance  of being out of lakh chaurasi and getting naam amrit.

 

If you like; I can give you an idea of the deeper explanations in pm, since they are not suitable for open forum, even though it's all in gurbani.  Let me know, but It may be a few days or so as I'll be busy with my 'body & spirit' building regimes!

[HisServant]

Night time is getting really good for me.

Fell asleep listening to the sound last night. Every time I woke up I would hear the sound, feel drowsy and fall back asleep. Body felt extremely intoxicated. It was back and forth all night for at least 11 hours. I usually am not able to sleep more than 6. I had to literally pull myself up and even after that I kept knocking out. For a few moments even forgot who I was. I had to take a moment to remember my responsibilites. But it literally felt like I had woken up into a different world. 

The most interesting part was it literally felt like I was dying or going unconcious every time I entered into sleep. I could watch myself go in and then I was aware that I was asleep. Although, I wasn't aware enough that I could control what was happening. 

[Lucky]

On ‎6‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 11:01 AM, HisServant said:

Body felt extremely intoxicated. It was back and forth all night for at least 11 hours. I usually am not able to sleep more than 6. I had to literally pull myself up and even after that I kept knocking out. For a few moments even forgot who I was. I had to take a moment to remember my responsibilites.

if that is what I think it may be, then you'll know within coming days and next few weeks. 

[HisServant]

7 hours ago, Lucky said:

if that is what I think it may be, then you'll know within coming days and next few weeks. 

I talked to a few local gurmukhs as well. They seemed impressed but also didn’t give me any details. Just said I need to keep going. I will let you know if anything happens. However, my schedule is tight with mcat studying but will still try to put in as much time as I can. Also had an akash type experience last night. I will post that in the other convo we started when I get a moment. 

[Lucky]

3 hours ago, HisServant said:

They seemed impressed but also didn’t give me any details.

heh. heh.  lol.  I know.    It'd be foolish to try and tell someone what may happen after a slumber event. It's the beginning of new phases, and you will understand it better in the coming weeks. 

Sometimes we forget our states of mind too easily. It may be a good idea to keep a log or journal of your daily events, experiences and emotions..  Just carry on in the same way with your studies and simran. 

[Sajjan_Thug]

Does the pavan have to be balanced in order for the mind to be stilled or can the mind be stilled without balanced pavan.

[Lucky]

On ‎6‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 3:07 AM, Sajjan_Thug said:

Does the pavan have to be balanced in order for the mind to be stilled or can the mind be stilled without balanced pavan.

 

Pavan has to be balanced for mind to be still.  However, to get to the mind being still, you have to use a tool(tra) for the Mind(man).

Man-tra (mind-tool) is what we use for japna. . 

After continuing with japna technique, saas graas, saas saas, ...mind will start getting cleansed  and your sukham body will start awakening.  At the same time the pavan will start balancing and praan will start flowing in sehaj.

MInd will eventually get still and one can then start hearing shabadguru, anhad, naad, ..

 

The goal is Merging the mind into the pavan. 

Listening and connecting with internal shabad, results in stilling of mind.  At the same time, the pavan gets balanced and sukhmana channel can open up.

 

Pavan balancing or mind being still, doesn't have to occur one before the other. They both occur in parallel more or less.

 

The PRAAN is the life force and the imbalance of pavan is what causes thoughts.

Bhagat Kabir ji says.....

ਕੁੰਜੀ ਕੁਲਫੁ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਕਰਿ ਰਾਖੇ ਕਰਤੇ ਬਾਰ ਨ ਲਾਈ ॥੧॥
Kunjī kulaf parān kar rākẖe karṯe bār na lā▫ī. ||1||
He made Praan the watchman for the body. with KEY and LOCK placed in this Praan to protect it ; the Creator did this in no time at all. ||1||

 

[HisServant]

Another update from last night. 

I fell asleep around 9 pm last night. The sounds wake me up every day around 12-1 am. And they get very loud. Last night was a bit rough - I couldn’t go back to sleep. But I wasn’t tired either. Completely awake. I first wasted a bit of time on my phone and didn’t really do anything. But then realized I should make the most of the time - did some saas saas for a while. I think around 5 am I started falling asleep again. That bliss feeling I described above was coming in but very intensely. Every time I noticed it, I’d immediately wake up again. It was back and forth a few times until I knocked out hard - no dreams - just very deep sleep. 

During the few hours I wasn’t asleep - the white light kept flashing above. Imagine looking straight while the eyes are closed. I see a white lightbulb type light flashing around the highest point of vision. 

[HisServant]

Update on the lights and images. I'm seeing a few things now

1. The same flashing light mentioned above - it originates from the trikuti area

1b. Sometimes the flash has no origin but is everywhere

2. I believe I mentioned this before - a clear light type image in the centre of vision - I am able to locate it faster now and it's easier to see (but is still gone after a few moments)

3. Lightning strikes while eyes are closed and open (only occasionally while open though)

4. It got to a point last night where I no longer saw black or white when I closed my eyes. I can't assign a colour to what I was seeing. The room would be darker when my eyes were open. I can't explain any further - I will just have to experience it again before I can figure out what I'm seeing.

My best explanation is this - it was like colourless light flashing on a background of colourless light. 

I'm still not 100% if this is what I'm seeing. Again, it will need some time before I can conclude something. 

--> Most of these start to get clearer as the conch shell gets louder. I was hearing a few other sounds later into the night but can't quite remember anymore. 

The conch shell is still hard to maintain throughout the day. If I stay at home I can hear it pretty much 24/7. When I leave the house it's back and forth between ankle bells and conch shell. Listening as much as possible is doing wonders mentally and emotionally. There is complete detachment. A few "bad" events have happened within the past 2 days. It's as if I just don't give a sh*t about anything anymore. 24/7 the focus is to keep quietning the mind. I'm not taking human interaction as seriously anymore. I just say and do whatever I feel like doing. And oddly, most people seem to like it. And even when they don't, I couldn't care any less. It's just great having this freedom. During my younger years I was really tied down by other people's opinions. 

--> Body limbs are heating up like someone is pouring warm water on them - it's a relaxing feeling. 

--> There are some odd moments where I'll flinch myself awake during sleep - I have no idea what's happening. Something is happening during sleep that is causing it. There's some type of underlying experience but I forget what it is as soon as I wake up. I'm almost certain I'm either seeing something or hearing something whenever it happens. 

[HisServant]

Guys, everything in my peripheral vision is vibrating. This is insane. I have no idea what’s happening. 

[seattlesingh]

Keep us updated 

 

[Lucky]

6 hours ago, HisServant said:

Guys, everything in my peripheral vision is vibrating. This is insane. I have no idea what’s happening. 

Very good.    Sounds like the dristee that's associated with physical eyes. (not just mind's eye)

You are actually beginning to see more clarity and I know it seems weird at first.  I wasn't sure for quite a while and thought there were some problem with my vision.  Glad to say that there's no cause for uncertainty.

 

ਨੈਨਹੁ ਪੇਖੁ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਕਾ ਰੰਗੁ ॥
Nainhu pekẖ ṯẖākur kā rang.
With your eyes, see the wondrous play of your Lord and Master.

 

Remember I said ….

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…..It's the beginning of new phases, and you will understand it better in the coming weeks. ………...

Keep referring to gurbani and absorb the changes one by one.

[HisServant]

@Lucky or anyone else who might know this -

 

A lot of times you have people on this forum who say they are getting a lot of pressure in their trikuti area. For me right now, it is in the nose. Not sure if people have it in other areas of the body. 

 

But as soon as the pressure is gone the breath is perfectly balanced. 

 

Any idea what the reason behind this pressure is? I think I've heard someone say it has something to do with the naadi's clearing up.

 

It's odd because for some reason it feels like the pressure is moving down the ida, pingala, sukhmana system. It started in the trikuti but then cleared up. Now it's moving down the nose. Happens in the right, left and centre. And I physically feel something opening up while doing simran, it's like something is cracking open and then the breath starts to flow through. I believe triveni area is where this mainly happens... or in that spot in the upper nostril where the breath enters each side. After heavy saas girass it's gone. 

 

[HisServant]

A lot of wacky things are starting to happen so I may stop sharing some certain experiences because I’m not sure if certain things should be shared. This may possibly be one of the last few posts. 

 

Last night 

I was trying to go to sleep sounds were getting louder. For the first time it felt as if I was connecting emotionally to the sound. It was a type of love that I can’t describe. It was a very blissful experience. And then it started feeling like the sound was communicating and sending me a message. Something along the lines of “come back to me”. 

 

This morning

I spent a few hours circulating between saas grass, saas saas and rom rom

I was hearing a whole bunch of sounds after. Besides the conch, there was a flute type. Then it would become a stringed instrument type vibration, cymbals etc. It was just circulating sound to sound 

at one point I was looking straight at my bedroom wall and saw something like a star flash for a moment 

a bit later into the afternoon I kept getting drowsy and then just knocked out on the couch. I woke up somewhere but everything was blurry. It didnt seem like a dream. But I can’t figure out what I was seeing or where I was. It was just a blend of colours and figures. I think I saw something like a blur of light that seemed like it had life to it or something. It was all just really confusing. I have no idea what it was

in the meantime my brother was yelling my name to wake me up because I had to go drop him off. It was extremely hard getting up but once I did the first thoughts were “what just happened?” “did I just die or something?” Just like last time I just couldn’t get up. 

Ever since I’ve woken up I’ve felt as if I was in a dream. I am just now starting to wake out of it

 

But again, not sure if I should be saying any of this. Imagine going up to your doctor and saying “the sounds are talking to me and my walls are vibrating” LOL. Might end up being sent to a mental hospital to be checked out

[Sat1176]

Be carful in these stages bro. Remember anything other than arsi and darpan is maya.