Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?

[HisServant]

6 hours ago, Sukh_preet said:

Sat Sri Akal all

During meditation I feel co centric circles or circular movements at times. Has anyone felt that way? Is it normal. Can any abhiyaasi veer pls shed some light .

Thank u so much

Where are these circles? Could you describe them a bit more?

[prabhtej singh]

SAT SRI AKAL ALL,

this is my 1st post.i found this site recently and i think of it as a very big blessing.never did i think the people i am trying to find are all here.i wish to attain god.

but i dont know any jugti nor am i a amritdhari .please guide me.Also after going through posts on this thread , i found about s. hardial singh ji and at his site of sarab rog ka aukhad nao i found this pdf about naam simran.can anyone also tell me if i should follow this!! 

Gurmat-meditation-revised.pdf

[Sat1176]

4 hours ago, prabhtej singh said:

SAT SRI AKAL ALL,

this is my 1st post.i found this site recently and i think of it as a very big blessing.never did i think the people i am trying to find are all here.i wish to attain god.

but i dont know any jugti nor am i a amritdhari .please guide me.Also after going through posts on this thread , i found about s. hardial singh ji and at his site of sarab rog ka aukhad nao i found this pdf about naam simran.can anyone also tell me if i should follow this!! 

Gurmat-meditation-revised.pdf 509.48 kB · 10 downloads

Jap with along with this audio to get started. Only listen to the sound of your own voice. No other visualisations.

 

 

 

[Mooorakh]

On 2/10/2020 at 11:57 AM, prabhtej singh said:

SAT SRI AKAL ALL,

this is my 1st post.i found this site recently and i think of it as a very big blessing.never did i think the people i am trying to find are all here.i wish to attain god.

but i dont know any jugti nor am i a amritdhari .please guide me.Also after going through posts on this thread , i found about s. hardial singh ji and at his site of sarab rog ka aukhad nao i found this pdf about naam simran.can anyone also tell me if i should follow this!! 

Gurmat-meditation-revised.pdf 509.48 kB · 16 downloads

Congratulations!  Finding this virtual sangat has been a blessing for each of us here and yes I do believe that it's only received by good fortune ( bin bhaaga satsang na labhe)

2nd congratulations! That unlike 90percent people who believe that the purpose of human life is just - Khao piyo mauj karo- you have realised that it's way more than that... ( I guess it's eaay to realise the difference between maya- and Gurmat for a Sikh than others) .. so now when you realise this fact things become rather - difficult, simply because our path is different- our goal is higher and most of all we live with people who don't understand this! And here this sadh sangat becomes a blessing.

This PDF is ofcourse beautiful! But only that it's not easy to understand at beginners level.Listening( suniye) can only be understood once you start hearing the Anhad Bani. Before that it would be 'cutting'// clearing' your - paap-mael( dirt) - kilvikh or whatever you may call it. And that would be needed to be removed first by ' Naam' then 'shabd' manifests and listening would start....

Here are the few links that may help

 

 

 

 

[Sukh_preet]

On 2/6/2020 at 6:54 AM, HisServant said:

Where are these circles? Could you describe

I am so sorry for the late reply but I was trying to figure out the ans to ur question, all this while. These circles as I sit for meditation are like circles of light ( light waves) in my vision. In my mind.

As I sit for meditation I hear Sahej dhunn and see these waves - sometimes outwards other times inwards or like feel earth rotating ( I mean something is rotating- the circular motion). I don't know what it is, or if it means anything. 

Thanks in advance

[Soulfinder]

 

[prabhtej singh]

waheguru ji da khalsa waheguru ji di fateh

i experineced something,pls tell me if it was true.(pls note that i am very new in simran as i started 1 week before only and try to keep rehat and wake up for amritvela for 5 banis and simran as i am practicing for amrit).but i try to do simran at every second,if i cant say it loud while travelling to college, i try not to speak aloud and do it in my mind.i went to gurudwara today in afternoon as there was a break in college for 2 hours and i after sometime of doing simran i saw that the black thing we see when we close eye, there was a shape of eye and it started to have flash after breaking part by part.although it was as if eye had a translucent paper and flash from coming from other side.but it was dim because of that translucent paper.i experienced this many times again.for other times i had to shut my eyes with my hand as sunlight didnt let me see clealy.

1.is that right or is it just my imagination.plz assist.

2. also tell me if i should  experience something am i tell this to anybody or will that increase my haume and ahankar?please illuminate me!

plz forgive me if i sound ahankari or filled with haume.i am very new and a child in terms of spirutual knowledge,please treat me as such.

thank you

 

[HisServant]

On 2/13/2020 at 2:36 PM, Sukh_preet said:

I am so sorry for the late reply but I was trying to figure out the ans to ur question, all this while. These circles as I sit for meditation are like circles of light ( light waves) in my vision. In my mind.

As I sit for meditation I hear Sahej dhunn and see these waves - sometimes outwards other times inwards or like feel earth rotating ( I mean something is rotating- the circular motion). I don't know what it is, or if it means anything. 

Thanks in advance

any colour? 

[Soulfinder]

On 2/10/2020 at 6:27 AM, prabhtej singh said:

SAT SRI AKAL ALL,

this is my 1st post.i found this site recently and i think of it as a very big blessing.never did i think the people i am trying to find are all here.i wish to attain god.

but i dont know any jugti nor am i a amritdhari .please guide me.Also after going through posts on this thread , i found about s. hardial singh ji and at his site of sarab rog ka aukhad nao i found this pdf about naam simran.can anyone also tell me if i should follow this!! 

Gurmat-meditation-revised.pdf 509.48 kB · 20 downloads

Wjkk wjkf veer ji welcome to the board and i would like to say its a really good decision you made joining this website as it helps inspire many visitors to do simran.

 

Its a really good dharamic organization as dass has attended a few of their camps in UK and its really good as it helps many ill people healing through simran jaap which is amazing.

[Soulfinder]

11 hours ago, prabhtej singh said:

waheguru ji da khalsa waheguru ji di fateh

i experineced something,pls tell me if it was true.(pls note that i am very new in simran as i started 1 week before only and try to keep rehat and wake up for amritvela for 5 banis and simran as i am practicing for amrit).but i try to do simran at every second,if i cant say it loud while travelling to college, i try not to speak aloud and do it in my mind.i went to gurudwara today in afternoon as there was a break in college for 2 hours and i after sometime of doing simran i saw that the black thing we see when we close eye, there was a shape of eye and it started to have flash after breaking part by part.although it was as if eye had a translucent paper and flash from coming from other side.but it was dim because of that translucent paper.i experienced this many times again.for other times i had to shut my eyes with my hand as sunlight didnt let me see clealy.

1.is that right or is it just my imagination.plz assist.

2. also tell me if i should  experience something am i tell this to anybody or will that increase my haume and ahankar?please illuminate me!

plz forgive me if i sound ahankari or filled with haume.i am very new and a child in terms of spirutual knowledge,please treat me as such.

thank you

 

Veer ji from dass personal experience its best to keep as much as you can as there many examples of how people have lost their stages of simran as soon as they have mentioned anything personal.

 

Like recently i mentioned i did this paath bani then i felt like i lost the spark inside to do any simran paath jaap etc.

[prabhtej singh]

6 minutes ago, Soulfinder said:

Veer ji from dass personal experience its best to keep as much as you can as there many examples of how people have lost their stages of simran as soon as they have mentioned anything personal.

 

Like recently i mentioned i did this paath bani then i felt like i lost the spark inside to do any simran paath jaap etc.

yeah, thats what i have observed.i cant seem to have that experience again.my father told me these things are not be shared and if u experience that again u tell me! i got really scared as i might have made a grave mistake.

thank you very much for saving me from this mistake!

[Soulfinder]

10 minutes ago, prabhtej singh said:

yeah, thats what i have observed.i cant seem to have that experience again.my father told me these things are not be shared and if u experience that again u tell me! i got really scared as i might have made a grave mistake.

thank you very much for saving me from this mistake!

Dass is always happy to help and another key point i have noticed in recent years is that always try to stay away from anyones eye when you are doing paath nitnem ardas as dass gets migraines so there days i have to miss nitnem due to it. But coming back to the point is that if someone saw you doing paath they will say oh that person does paath and unlikeable comments which can also put nazar on the paath as the link connection gets wrecked and it can be hard if not impossible to get back into it.

 

Your dad has given you really good advice as these things need to be gupt or otherwise you will get people asking you do ardas for them and thats not a nice route over there trust me.

[Sukh_preet]

8 hours ago, HisServant said:

any colour? 

Nahi Veerji, probably white light. 

[Sukh_preet]

7 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

Dass is always happy to help and another key point i have noticed in recent years is that always try to stay away from anyones eye when you are doing paath nitnem ardas as dass gets migraines so there days i have to miss nitnem due to it. But coming back to the point is that if someone saw you doing paath they will say oh that person does paath and unlikeable comments which can also put nazar on the paath as the link connection gets wrecked and it can be hard if not impossible to get back into it.

 

Your dad has given you really good advice as these things need to be gupt or otherwise you will get people asking you do ardas for them and thats not a nice route over there trust me.

I m sorry, I don't agree. If you would not share how would you know - what was it that happened with you. How would we have forums like this??. If sat Veerji would have not shared his sweet taste in mouth experience or Anhad sounds and lucky Veerji too or his servant Veerji about auras- I would have never been motivated towards this path..

Thanku @HisServant veer , @Sat1176 @Lucky @Still nascent for not thinking like these people. 

And waheguru ji is not stupid to take away your Bhakti or lessen it - if you are motivating others on this path. 

@Soulfinder u talk so much about Sants? Haven't you heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi

[Soulfinder]

3 hours ago, Sukh_preet said:

I m sorry, I don't agree. If you would not share how would you know - what was it that happened with you. How would we have forums like this??. If sat Veerji would have not shared his sweet taste in mouth experience or Anhad sounds and lucky Veerji too or his servant Veerji about auras- I would have never been motivated towards this path..

Thanku @HisServant veer , @Sat1176 @Lucky @Still nascent for not thinking like these people. 

And waheguru ji is not stupid to take away your Bhakti or lessen it - if you are motivating others on this path. 

@Soulfinder u talk so much about Sants? Haven't you heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi

Bhen ji i do apologise if i have upset anyone with the post i made. I do like it a lot the threads and all the hard work thats been put in by our satkaryog members on here.

 

But it was just the things i had heard in katha that made me say what i wrote.

 

I am not a expert on this subject so do forgive me if i have written anything to offend or upset anyone.

[prabhtej singh]

 

6 hours ago, Sukh_preet said:

I m sorry, I don't agree. If you would not share how would you know - what was it that happened with you. How would we have forums like this??. If sat Veerji would have not shared his sweet taste in mouth experience or Anhad sounds and lucky Veerji too or his servant Veerji about auras- I would have never been motivated towards this path..

Thanku @HisServant veer , @Sat1176 @Lucky @Still nascent for not thinking like these people. 

And waheguru ji is not stupid to take away your Bhakti or lessen it - if you are motivating others on this path. 

@Soulfinder u talk so much about Sants? Haven't you heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi

although your opinion is appreciated , your way of putting it hurt me a little!

also plz @Sat1176 dont like comments which have ninda for others!

this is my humble opinion as i look upto you guys!

 

[Sukh_preet]

First of all I started my post with apologies cos I knew I was going to say something u both won't agree to as per ur conversation but veer soulfinder did I say u annoyed or upset me? I respect you and u always talk about saints so I just reminded u of one the bachans of Baba Nand Singh ji. I am sorry if u felt otherwise. 

And Prabhtej ji I don't know much about u, again I didn't mean to hurt anyone. Whatever I said was said on your face and not behind ur back, so Ninda of course it's not. U are mistaken on the concept. 

I jumped in ur conversation because I thot that I might direct you guys towards the correct path( as per my understanding) as your conversation didn't seem correct to me but if u felt hurt again I apologise and would request you to follow ur beliefs.

Rab raakha

[Sat1176]

19 hours ago, prabhtej singh said:

 

although your opinion is appreciated , your way of putting it hurt me a little!

also plz @Sat1176 dont like comments which have ninda for others!

this is my humble opinion as i look upto you guys!

 

If I agree with what someone has said I will like. Please don't lecture me on what I should and shouldn't like. I'm not aware of liking any post with nindaya and recall only liking one post today by Sukh_preet where I agree with her view about sharing. This whole topic is about sharing. I find it annoying when people come on here and say don't share and try and discourage others from talking further. As if they are the naam simran police. It's so demotivating and infusing paranoia into people's head to think negative and watering the seeds of doubt (bahm). No one is forcing anyone to share what they don't want to and those that do are happy to do so. We will never learn if we don't ask. I am personally grateful for the cyber sangat I have met on this forum. Some I've now become good friends with and have met personally. 

If people got access to mahapursh by all means go have 1-to-1 conversations and keep your conversations gupt as you please. There is no need to be post in this topic. None of us here claim to be experts. Just simple Sikh brothers and sisters walking on the path and trying to help where we can like we wished we had when we were starting out. We don't have all the answers and sometimes keep quiet if we don't know. We may be able to direct you to someone who may know but there is no pressure on anyone to do anything.

Some people just have allergic reactions when anything spiritual is discussed as if some major sin is being committed. This forum broke the taboo topic of experiences. Those of us who shared aren't suffering or regret talking about it. Any shortcomings are our own or were supposed to be a passing phenomena, not because we talked about it and Waheguru took it away. Experiences come and go.

It is very disappointing to see newcomers coming onboard seeking advice, only to be discouraged about sharing something that maybe troubling. I think it is sad since it may have taken them courage to write and post in the first place. I've seen the same members do it again and again. If you don't believe in sharing keep out of the this topic. Stop enforcing your views on others. 

We have all had some kind of experience whether big or small. When you first encounter something strange and out of the ordinary it does trouble you. If it happens again well and good. If it doesn't then no big deal either, just stop being negative about it. Just keep moving forward.

Where is the average Sikh supposed to go who are not associated with any Jathabandi or those who respect all Jathabandi but are not attached to any? We Sikhs are our own worst enemy at times, constantly trying to pull each other down from the legs trying to hinder progress through indirect negativity, rather than encouraging each other and saying keep climbing.

Where are we going to learn about naam, simran or bhagti? It certainly isn't discussed in 99% of Gurdwaras near me.

I'm pleased to say this forum is one great resource for those interested on the path of naam simran. No one is on a ego trip or judgemental of those who wish to do naam simran. Everyone helps where they can and encourages where possible. There is so much knowledge contained on this site with links that has taken years to accumulate. We didn't have a clue where to look years ago. It was like searching for a needle in a haystack of where one should begin. What technique should one adopt as a beginner? What was the sounds, tastes, smells in our heads? Why was our bodies shaking etc?

So many brothers and sisters came forward and said to hell with this hidden gupt view, stood up and said we are not afraid to talk about it and are having similar experiences and issues. We want to learn, share and make progress. As we found more information on the path we shared so other's don't waste time searching like we had to. Hopefully what is being shared is helping those start their journey quicker than if everyone was working at it alone. So much time is wasted looking for answers or direction.

Bravo friends, God bless you all.... 

Waheguru kirpa karan.

[prabhtej singh]

@Sat1176 @Sukh_preet

maybe i am not able to convey myself properly.

what you are saying is correct but the way it was said made me feel bad.

the way it was written-

16 hours ago, Sukh_preet said:

I m sorry, I don't agree. If you would not share how would you know - what was it that happened with you. How would we have forums like this??. If sat Veerji would have not shared his sweet taste in mouth experience or Anhad sounds and lucky Veerji too or his servant Veerji about auras- I would have never been motivated towards this path..

Thanku @HisServant veer , @Sat1176 @Lucky @Still nascent for not thinking like these people. 

And waheguru ji is not stupid to take away your Bhakti or lessen it - if you are motivating others on this path. 

@Soulfinder u talk so much about Sants? Haven't you heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi

how it must have been wriiten-

according to me sharing experience is very important as it helps others move on this path.

i hope these people will agree with me on this.(all u have mentioned)

waheguruji will be happy if others are motivated on this path and will not lessen our bhakti r

soulfinder ji dont u agree with me since  you must have heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi

 

i was listening to your opinion about not being gupt as also right and was also going to ask questions regarding that. but i was taken a back after hearing so strong words in message.

forgive me for i am no one to tell anyone on what to say and how to say it, as bad as i am.it was just maybe too many sakhis i have heard about saints treating themselves as dust of others feet , i thought everyone would be practicing that too.

 

 

[HisServant]

On 2/15/2020 at 8:49 PM, Soulfinder said:

Dass is always happy to help and another key point i have noticed in recent years is that always try to stay away from anyones eye when you are doing paath nitnem ardas as dass gets migraines so there days i have to miss nitnem due to it. But coming back to the point is that if someone saw you doing paath they will say oh that person does paath and unlikeable comments which can also put nazar on the paath as the link connection gets wrecked and it can be hard if not impossible to get back into it.

 

Your dad has given you really good advice as these things need to be gupt or otherwise you will get people asking you do ardas for them and thats not a nice route over there trust me.

 

18 hours ago, Sukh_preet said:

I m sorry, I don't agree. If you would not share how would you know - what was it that happened with you. How would we have forums like this??. If sat Veerji would have not shared his sweet taste in mouth experience or Anhad sounds and lucky Veerji too or his servant Veerji about auras- I would have never been motivated towards this path..

Thanku @HisServant veer , @Sat1176 @Lucky @Still nascent for not thinking like these people. 

And waheguru ji is not stupid to take away your Bhakti or lessen it - if you are motivating others on this path. 

@Soulfinder u talk so much about Sants? Haven't you heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi

 

11 hours ago, prabhtej singh said:

 

although your opinion is appreciated , your way of putting it hurt me a little!

also plz @Sat1176 dont like comments which have ninda for others!

this is my humble opinion as i look upto you guys!

 

 

1 hour ago, prabhtej singh said:

@Sat1176 @Sukh_preet

maybe i am not able to convey myself properly.

what you are saying is correct but the way it was said made me feel bad.

the way it was written-

how it must have been wriiten-

according to me sharing experience is very important as it helps others move on this path.

i hope these people will agree with me on this.(all u have mentioned)

waheguruji will be happy if others are motivated on this path and will not lessen our bhakti r

soulfinder ji dont u agree with me since  you must have heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi

 

i was listening to your opinion about not being gupt as also right and was also going to ask questions regarding that. but i was taken a back after hearing so strong words in message.

forgive me for i am no one to tell anyone on what to say and how to say it, as bad as i am.it was just maybe too many sakhis i have heard about saints treating themselves as dust of others feet , i thought everyone would be practicing that too.

 

 

I pretty much never intervene in conflict but I think it’s necessary right now

This portion of the site is dedicated to sharing experiences. Simple. No arguments, no treguni posts. Nothing. 

If you guys want to discuss something, send each other a personal message. That’s what a lot of us do. We talk directly with each other in private conversations. I would recommend doing the same, especially if it’s a personal issue. 

People who don’t believe in sharing their spiritual experiences, also usually believe in not reading about them either. People who don’t share, typically feel susceptible to their ego feeding off of the compliments. People who don’t read, don’t want their mind tricking them during their own meditation. I understand where some of you come from. 

That’s why if you share, make sure you remember it’s waheguru within you experiencing waheguru. And nothing more. 

And if you read experiences, make sure you do your bhagti in gurmat with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as your reference. Sharing will help you verify the validity. 

Sharing is what helped me progress. @Sat1176kept me accountable and @Lucky gave me guidance. We moved together as a family and all made progress. We all came to this site as beginners with little to no experience. We did not argue, fight or compete against each other. We cared and lifted each other with compassion. We changed each others lives for the better because we shared openly, kept each other accountable, shared our knowledge and made sure each and every one of us was doing well and on track. It was our love for one another that kept our bhagti strong. It’s hard to believe this family was formed over 6 years ago. Time really flies.

That being said, I want this argument to end here. If you need to say something to one another, send a direct message. But I’m hoping the posts after this post will solely be about experiences and guidance rather than small talk and arguments. I want you guys to treat each other with love and respect. You are a sangat parivaar. Your bhagti will thank you later. 

[HisServant]

18 hours ago, Sukh_preet said:

Nahi Veerji, probably white light. 

do saas giras while looking at it. See if anything happens

[Still nascent]

4 hours ago, prabhtej singh said:

@Sat1176 @Sukh_preet

maybe i am not able to convey myself properly.

what you are saying is correct but the way it was said made me feel bad.

the way it was written-

how it must have been wriiten-

according to me sharing experience is very important as it helps others move on this path.

i hope these people will agree with me on this.(all u have mentioned)

waheguruji will be happy if others are motivated on this path and will not lessen our bhakti r

soulfinder ji dont u agree with me since  you must have heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi

 

i was listening to your opinion about not being gupt as also right and was also going to ask questions regarding that. but i was taken a back after hearing so strong words in message.

forgive me for i am no one to tell anyone on what to say and how to say it, as bad as i am.it was just maybe too many sakhis i have heard about saints treating themselves as dust of others feet , i thought everyone would be practicing that too.

 

 

Kudi hoke 2-3 vaari Sorry, apologize bolgi agli. Hor kedi dust leni Tu veere?? 

Sangat here is really helpful. We should not bring our egos in between. 

Anyway I was planning to share an experience here today and let's bring the thread to it's real form. 

As moorakh bhn shared levels of amrit Rass yesterday, I wanted to confess that Amritrass not only appears but disappears too. I had a big argument in the family about a month ago and I said a few things in rage as anger took over me, which I regretted saying later. But I lost all the amrit Rass from my mouth. I regret it so much. I was so sad. So sorry. Though I wasn't wrong in putting my point  just that in heated moment I hurt someone's feelings in the way I said it.. 

It took me a month to apologize and convince waheguru ji and make up for what I have lost. I have now got it bck but at the beginers level only. 

Please I am putting this here and in sweet taste thread, so that anyone who is going through this may not commit the same mistake I did. 

Waheguru

[Lucky]

On 2/13/2020 at 11:36 AM, Sukh_preet said:

I am so sorry for the late reply but I was trying to figure out the ans to ur question, all this while. These circles as I sit for meditation are like circles of light ( light waves) in my vision. In my mind.

As I sit for meditation I hear Sahej dhunn and see these waves - sometimes outwards other times inwards or like feel earth rotating ( I mean something is rotating- the circular motion). I don't know what it is, or if it means anything. 

Thanks in advance

I think I know what you mean...  They start off small from distance and get bigger as if you moving into them or may appear as if waves are coming towards you.  ALSO, the opposite can occur and they may appear bigge and get smaller. Appears as if they moving away from you ?

Let me know if it's this?

 

[Lucky]

On 2/15/2020 at 5:34 AM, prabhtej singh said:

i saw that the black thing we see when we close eye, there was a shape of eye and it started to have flash after breaking part by part.although it was as if eye had a translucent paper and flash from coming from other side.but it was dim because of that translucent paper.i experienced this many times again.for other times i had to shut my eyes with my hand as sunlight didnt let me see clealy.

I think this may be because your mann's eye is separating and awaking  compared to the physical eyes that we are accustomed to. There was a similar question to Bhai Simranjeet last week about someone who saw pair of eyes in vision. Now, i do recall experiencing this a long time ago and there were also some other member that questioned this in the past. Bhai sab said that it was your mann's eyes looking at your very own....He said not to worry they weren't anyone elses eyes but your own. .....mann is getting jagat, purified, awakened.  

 

[Guest c.singh]

16 hours ago, Sukh_preet said:

 Whatever I said was said on your face and not behind ur back, so Ninda of course it's not. U are mistaken on the concept.

Whether u hit someone with a stick  on the back or on the front, is totally wrong and it inflicts pain , so do not try to hide your wrong doing by diverting the attention to a different side.

you are not better than anyone here so  try not to impose your understanding, which maybe right or wrong , even then, with some you may agree and not with others, thus all members here have equal rights of expressing themselves as long as nobody is disrespected.

many time it hurts more how it is said than what is said

prabhtej is a newcomer and to the date a respectful and sincere member , and soulfinder is a very humble, noble and a softehearted person, and you have been rude to them