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Is Reading The Guru Doing Naam Simran?

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee!

Quote "Do you not accept that Hari Marag is told by Sri Guru Granthh Sahib Ji?"

Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is the Guru because Granth Saahib Jee informs us where and how to get Gurmantu.

Quote "Does not the Sadhu explain in vistaar what the Guru Maharaj is conveying in His Most Gracious and Merciful Teachings of Gurbani?"

The Sadhu recognizes the Grace of God ready to shower on the true Seeker. The true Sadhu is thankful being in God's Hands as His Tool. Also, he has nothing to talk what to say in vistaar.

Quote "Please enlighten us and give us your perspective on what Gurmanter is?"

Please visit a Sadhu and come to know it. Everything is said by the Gurus and written also confirming it in Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee.

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This is a small tip. The true Sadhu does not need to change clothes to appear before you. He is always dipped in the red color.

Balbir Singh

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Dear Balbir ji WJKK WJKF

1. you said to my 3 questions, Quote.[ Do you not accept that Hari Marag is told by Sri Guru Granthh Sahib Ji?"

Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is the Guru because Granth Saahib Jee informs us where and how to get Gurmantu.]

I agree and this is what happens when with the Guru Mahraj graces us with the gift of Khande Bhatte da Amrit, and bestows us with Gurmantar. Do you agree or are you suggesting some other mantar?

2.Quote[ "Does not the Sadhu explain in vistaar what the Guru Maharaj is conveying in His Most Gracious and Merciful Teachings of Gurbani?"

The Sadhu recognizes the Grace of God ready to shower on the true Seeker. The true Sadhu is thankful being in God's Hands as His Tool. Also, he has nothing to talk what to say in vistaar.]

If the Sadhu, Brahmgyani does not explain or impart knowledge and blessings of the Guru Mahraj's lofty and gracious teachings, pray what exactly is his role?

3.Quote[ "Please enlighten us and give us your perspective on what Gurmanter is?"

Please visit a Sadhu and come to know it. Everything is said by the Gurus and written also confirming it in Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee.]

Why should i visit a Sadhu to know of Gurmantar when Bhai Gurdas ji explains in vaar 13 pauri 2,

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਜਪਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਖੋਈ।

vaahiguroo guramantr hai japi haoumai khoee.

वाहिगुरू गुरमंत्र है जपि हउमै खोई ।

His Guru-manta is Vahiguru, whose recitation erases egotism.

5 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧੩ ਪਉੜੀ ੨ ਪੰ. ੫

Also when 5 pyare Guru roop Khalsa bless me with the same Gurmantar. Please kindly explain which gurmantar or sadhu you are referring to?

Edited by Satgyan-pujari

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee!

You wrote "I agree and this is what happens when with the Guru Mahraj graces us with the gift of Khande Bhatte da Amrit, and bestows us with Gurmantar. Do you agree or are you suggesting some other mantar?"

My Guru is Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is not suggesting the above ways.

May I ask which Guru are you following?

Quote "If the Sadhu, Brahmgyani does not explain or impart knowledge and blessings of the Guru Mahraj's lofty and gracious teachings, pray what exactly is his role?"

Are you sure you have visited a Sadhu, Brahmgyani?

Quote "Why should i visit a Sadhu to know of Gurmantar when Bhai Gurdas ji explains in vaar 13 pauri 2"

All is God's Grace. One follows the True Guru or somebody else.

Quote "Also when 5 pyare Guru roop Khalsa bless me with the same Gurmantar."

Are you convinced this is the same Gurmantar the true Guroos gave? Surprise. The reverend Gurus asked Bhai Gurdaas Jee to reveal Gurmantar in his writings?

Quote "Please kindly explain which gurmantar or sadhu you are referring to?"

The reverend Guroos are today also singing the mystery, praise and importance of them. He is not revealed by reading.

Balbir Singh

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee!

You wrote "I agree and this is what happens when with the Guru Mahraj graces us with the gift of Khande Bhatte da Amrit, and bestows us with Gurmantar. Do you agree or are you suggesting some other mantar?"

My Guru is Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is not suggesting the above ways.

May I ask which Guru are you following?

Quote "If the Sadhu, Brahmgyani does not explain or impart knowledge and blessings of the Guru Mahraj's lofty and gracious teachings, pray what exactly is his role?"

Are you sure you have visited a Sadhu, Brahmgyani?

Quote "Why should i visit a Sadhu to know of Gurmantar when Bhai Gurdas ji explains in vaar 13 pauri 2"

All is God's Grace. One follows the True Guru or somebody else.

Quote "Also when 5 pyare Guru roop Khalsa bless me with the same Gurmantar."

Are you convinced this is the same Gurmantar the true Guroos gave? Surprise. The reverend Gurus asked Bhai Gurdaas Jee to reveal Gurmantar in his writings?

Quote "Please kindly explain which gurmantar or sadhu you are referring to?"

The reverend Guroos are today also singing the mystery, praise and importance of them. He is not revealed by reading.

Balbir Singh

Are you trying to say, in your own roundabout way, that one needs to go to a pooran sant to get jugti?

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Dear Balbir ji, WJKK WJKF

In response to your reply-

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1.You wrote "I agree and this is what happens when with the Guru Mahraj graces us with the gift of Khande Bhatte da Amrit, and bestows us with Gurmantar. Do you agree or are you suggesting some other mantar?"

My Guru is Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is not suggesting the above ways.

May I ask which Guru are you following?

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As i opened my response to you with the Gurus Salutation, i shall leave to you to figure. Secondly are you suggesting that somehow the Khande Bhatte Da Amrit blessed on Sikhs following the Guru ji's marg is false?

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2.Quote "If the Sadhu, Brahmgyani does not explain or impart knowledge and blessings of the Guru Mahraj's lofty and gracious teachings, pray what exactly is his role?"

Are you sure you have visited a Sadhu, Brahmgyani?

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Since you started the thread introducing the role of the sadhu, i was hoping you would be answering the questions?

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3.Quote "Why should i visit a Sadhu to know of Gurmantar when Bhai Gurdas ji explains in vaar 13 pauri 2"

All is God's Grace. One follows the True Guru or somebody else.

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Why would one follow someone else if one has found the True Guru?

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4.Quote "Also when 5 pyare Guru roop Khalsa bless me with the same Gurmantar."

Are you convinced this is the same Gurmantar the true Guroos gave? Surprise. The reverend Gurus asked Bhai Gurdaas Jee to reveal Gurmantar in his writings?

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Dont get what you are saying here, i already quoted the vaar of Bhai Gurdas Ji, other vaars also reveal the same truth,please study. Have you any proof that what history and Sikhs hold as truth, you are questioning?

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5.Quote "Please kindly explain which gurmantar or sadhu you are referring to?"

The reverend Guroos are today also singing the mystery, praise and importance of them. He is not revealed by reading.

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Again what riddle are you setting here, please answer the question if you have discovered a different understanding.

Edited by Satgyan-pujari

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee!

You wrote "As i opened my response to you with the Gurus Salutation, i shall leave to you to figure."

This is exactly what sick preacher folk are doing. On the name of Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee they are practicing and following others. Is it so difficult to say that you are following Bhai Gurdaas Jee who is not the Guru of Sikhs?

Quote "Secondly are you suggesting that somehow the Khande Bhatte Da Amrit blessed on Sikhs following the Guru ji's marg is false?"

Get awakened and please come out of your imaginary world.

With God's Will and Grace preachers are giving training of mere rituals. Please write one activity they are doing as a Sikh and let all know where the reverend Gurus have mentioned it. I will be grateful.

Quote "Since you started the thread introducing the role of the sadhu, i was hoping you would be answering the questions?"

This is what all my Gurus are saying including Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee that also a thousand of times.

Quote "Why would one follow someone else if one has found the True Guru?"

Then please hold your Guru you are following and stage your dramas around his name, not around my Guru Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee.

Quote "Dont get what you are saying here, i already quoted the vaar of Bhai Gurdas Ji, other vaars also reveal the same truth,please study."

No true Guru ever said that Vaahiguru is the Gurmantar. And you call it revealing the same truth.

Quote "Have you any proof that what history and Sikhs hold as truth, you are questioning?"

Better talk about what the reverend Gurus hold as Truth, not the crowd.

Quote "Again what riddle are you setting here, please answer the question if you have discovered a different understanding."

I found all your preachers pleading against the true Gurus.

Reverend Gurus never say that the wisdom of Truth is revealed by reading about it. Some lost people, as deep-rooted habit, start seeking another book about the spiritual truth.

Please listen. My Gurdev Guru Naanak Jee is singing.

ਪੜਿਐ ਨਾਹੀ ਭੇਦੁ ਬੁਝਿਐ ਪਾਵਣਾ ||

पड़िऐ नाही भेदु बुझिऐ पावणा ॥

paRiai naahee bhedu bujhiai paavaNaa ||

Read not the secret resolved is receiving it.

Sri Guru Granth Saahib Ji, Ang 148

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Only one thing may save the sick preachers. They should visit a Sadhu and become the Sadhu. Reading the Guru is one thing. Following the Guru is the next thing.

Balbir Singh

Edited by Balbir Singh

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Dear Balbir ji WJKK EJKF

In response to your message-

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1 [This is exactly what sick preacher folk are doing. On the name of Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee they are practicing and following others. Is it so difficult to say that you are following Bhai Gurdaas Jee who is not the Guru of Sikhs?]

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Bhai Gurdas ji was a respected Gursikh and Brahmgyani, his invaluable commentary on sikhi siddant has been mentioned as a key to understanding the Gurus Marg.There is no difficulty in saying you follow Guru Mahraj with the help of Brahmgyani Gursikhs.

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2 [Get awakened and please come out of your imaginary world.

With God's Will and Grace preachers are giving training of mere rituals. Please write one activity they are doing as a Sikh and let all know where the reverend Gurus have mentioned it. I will be grateful.]

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Funny i didn't know Khande Bhatte Da Amrit was an imaginary event.What do you mean?

Doing Naam Jaaap simran.

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3 "Since you started the thread introducing the role of the sadhu, i was hoping you would be answering the questions?"

This is what all my Gurus are saying including Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee that also a thousand of times.

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Then please enlighten us and tell us YOUR view.

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4 [Then please hold your Guru you are following and stage your dramas around his name, not around my Guru Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee.]

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Thankyou, and with the Guru Sahib Ji's beant kirpa if they so wish i will continue to cling on to the hem of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraj. I pray the same for you.

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5 [No true Guru ever said that Vaahiguru is the Gurmantar. And you call it revealing the same truth.]

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So you are denying all historical sources such as Bhai Gurdas ji Vaaran, rehit nama and orally tansmitted sources. Please enlighten us with your manatar or is it a secretive gupt one denying the masses, for only priveleged mortals?

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6 [better talk about what the reverend Gurus hold as Truth, not the crowd.]

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Trusting your OWN interpretation of the Gurus Message, negating all other reputable sources? Again please enlighten us with your views.

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7 [i found all your preachers pleading against the true Gurus.

Reverend Gurus never say that the wisdom of Truth is revealed by reading about it. Some lost people, as deep-rooted habit, start seeking another book about the spiritual truth.]

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Sorry are you saying that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraj is "another book"?

8 And Finally

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Please listen. My Gurdev Guru Naanak Jee is singing.

ਪੜਿਐ ਨਾਹੀ ਭੇਦੁ ਬੁਝਿਐ ਪਾਵਣਾ ||

पड़िऐ नाही भेदु बुझिऐ पावणा ॥

paRiai naahee bhedu bujhiai paavaNaa ||

Read not the secret resolved is receiving it.

Sri Guru Granth Saahib Ji, Ang 148

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Should the translation actually be "NOT BY READING, BUT BY UNDERSTANDING,IS THE LORDS MYSTERY REVEALED"

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee!

You wrote "Bhai Gurdas ji was a respected Gursikh and Brahmgyani, his invaluable commentary on sikhi siddant has been mentioned as a key to understanding the Gurus Marg.There is no difficulty in saying you follow Guru Mahraj with the help of Brahmgyani Gursikhs."

Firstly preachers deviated the seekers away from the reverend Gurus by injecting the teachings of Bhai Gurdaas Jee. Then the way was made clear for other writers and preachers to do dhandhaa (business) with the religion.

The Gurus could add Bhai Gurdaas Jee's poems in Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. But they did not do so. The reason is simple. Vaars and Kabit of Bhai Gurdaas Jee have many different views from the true Gurus.

All that the reverend Gurus say about a Brahmgyaanee is in the present tense. Interesting. You wrote "Bhai Gurdas ji was a respected Gursikh and Brahmgyani," and made him a history.

Quote " . . . his invaluable commentary on sikhi siddant has been mentioned as a key to understanding the Gurus Marg."

No Guru and even Bhai Gurdaas Jee called his writings the key of the Guru. Yes, the writer of this view got his key successfully introduced among worldly Sikhs.

Quote "There is no difficulty in saying you follow Guru Mahraj with the help of Brahmgyani Gursikhs."

Please correct it. There is no difficulty in saying you follow Guru Mahraj with the help of Gur Sabad. Meeting and recognizing of Brahmgyaanee Gur Sikhs takes place after the wisdom of Gur Sabad is transferred.

Quote "Funny i didn't know Khande Bhatte Da Amrit was an imaginary event.What do you mean? Doing Naam Jaaap simran."

Gurus do not read a book and imagine it is Naam Jaap Simran.

Please name any other activity also.

Quote "Then please enlighten us and tell us YOUR view."

All is Truth exactly as Gurus are singing today also.

Many others have views.

Quote "So you are denying all historical sources such as Bhai Gurdas ji Vaaran, rehit nama and orally tansmitted sources. Please enlighten us with your manatar or is it a secretive gupt one denying the masses, for only priveleged mortals?"

Please come to know the true Sabad Guru. All fake Gurus will vanish.

Yes, it is a secret till one receives the Prasaad of this Wisdom.

Quote "Sorry are you saying that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraj is 'another book'?"

Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is a book for those who read Him but do not get anything. The result is they start reading other books and get lost completely.

Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is the Guru for those who listen once and follow Him.

Please ponder. My Gurdev is singing.

ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਕਹਤੇ ਨਰਕਿ ਨ ਜਾਹਿ ॥

नाराइण कहते नरकि न जाहि ॥

Nārā▫iṇ kahṯe narak na jāhi.

SGGS Ang. 868

Have you ever heard a jooniaa preacher saying Naaraain tuned with the Guru?

Balbir Singh

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Dear Balbir ji Wjkk WJKF

In reply you said-

1. [Firstly preachers deviated the seekers away from the reverend Gurus by injecting the teachings of Bhai Gurdaas Jee. Then the way was made clear for other writers and preachers to do dhandhaa (business) with the religion.

The Gurus could add Bhai Gurdaas Jee's poems in Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. But they did not do so. The reason is simple. Vaars and Kabit of Bhai Gurdaas Jee have many different views from the true Gurus.]

You obviously express your total disregard for valid historical facts, accepted by majority of Sikhs and institutions such as Damdami Taksal, Budha Dal, Sgpc, Nirmala amongst many regarding Bhai Gurdas ji. I believe the onus is on you to supply evidence to support your personal views, as you claim to rewrite history, and accuse the above mentioned gyanis as doing "dhanda".

2. [Please correct it. There is no difficulty in saying you follow Guru Mahraj with the help of Gur Sabad. Meeting and recognizing of Brahmgyaanee Gur Sikhs takes place after the wisdom of Gur Sabad is transferred.]

Following Guru Mahraj IS following Gur Shabad.As Mahraj says "Bani Guru Guru hai Bani". Brahmgyani helps in explaing the profound and beautifull Shabad.

3. [Quote "Funny i didn't know Khande Bhatte Da Amrit was an imaginary event.What do you mean? B) Doing Naam Jaaap simran."

Gurus do not read a book and imagine it is Naam Jaap Simran.

Please name any other activity also.]

Please answer the question asked regarding YOUR views regarding Khande Bhatte Da Amrit directly! You asked for ONE Example,was done so your argument collapses.

4.[Yes, it is a secret till one receives the Prasaad of this Wisdom.]

Who exactley reveals this secret mantar This Prasaad is the Sadhu you follow?

Edited by Satgyan-pujari

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee!

You wrote "You obviously express your total disregard for valid historical facts, accepted by majority of Sikhs and institutions such as Damdami Taksal, Budha Dal, Sgpc, Nirmala amongst many regarding Bhai Gurdas ji."

The Sabad Guru's wisdom is for everybody, not only for some leaders of the profit makers. God's Truth is not revealed because one is belonging to a bigger crowd. Pity is on the individual who follows others than his Guru. It is not disregard to anyone.

Perhaps you or your preachers can answer this.

Bhai Gurdaas Jee never got married and never lived as a grahast. He but confirms this in the last line of his kabit 376.

ਸਕਲ ਧਰਮ ਮੈ ਗ੍ਰਿਹਸਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨ ਹੈ ||

सकल धरम मै ग्रिहसतु प्रधान है ॥

sakal dharam mai grihasatu pradhaan hai.

In all religion grihastu is on the top.

On the contrary my Guru, Guru Naanak Dev Jee is singing. Please listen.

ਸਾਹਾ ਸੰਜੋਗੁ ਵੀਆਹੁ ਵਿਜੋਗੁ ||

साहा संजोगु वीआहु विजोगु ॥

Saahaa sanjogu veeaahu vijogu.

Saahaa is the union. Marriage is the separation.

Sri Guru Granth Saahib Ji, Ang 152

Gurdev got married and expressed his experience clearly.

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Quote "I believe the onus is on you to supply evidence to support your personal views, as you claim to rewrite history, and accuse the above mentioned gyanis as doing 'dhanda'."

Every activity of your preachers is a dhandha.

Please ponder. The Guru is singing Truth. Hari ke Naam binaa jagu dhandhaa (p 358). Have you ever heard a paapee preacher doing Jap of 'Hari' in a tune with the reverend Guru?

Misleading is their dhandhaa. They entice people singing 'Vaahiguru' which the true Gurus never suggested.

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Quote "Following Guru Mahraj IS following Gur Shabad.As Mahraj says "Bani Guru Guru hai Bani". Brahmgyani helps in explaing the profound and beautifull Shabad."

Preachers should not try to make fools of others.

BaaNee is speech. It comes from the mouth of the Guroo. BaaNee is not the printed paper from a press machine.

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Quote "Please answer the question asked regarding YOUR views regarding Khande Bhatte Da Amrit directly!"

I have not found one instance where my Gurus have suggested this ceremony. Please inform all where Gurdev has used these words even. I will be grateful.

May I ask? Do your preachers know 'Hari Naam Amrit' that all true Gurus are singing today also?

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Quote "You asked for ONE Example,was done so your argument collapses."

Please do not try to run away from facts. Should I give examples for you? These are in millions.

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Quote "Who exactley reveals this secret mantar This Prasaad is the Sadhu you follow?"

This Prasaad of the wisdom is received through the same Sadhu as suggested by the reverend Gurus.

Please listen. My true Guru is singing.

ਸਚੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਸਚੀ ਪਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥

सचै सबदि सची पति होई ॥

Sacẖai sabaḏ sacẖī paṯ ho▫ī.

Through the True Sabad, true honor is obtained.

ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਵੈ ਕੋਈ ॥

बिनु नावै मुकति न पावै कोई ॥

Bin nāvai mukaṯ na pāvai ko▫ī.

Without the Name, no one attains liberation.

ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੋ ਨਾਉ ਨ ਪਾਏ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਐਸੀ ਬਣਤ ਬਣਾਈ ਹੇ ॥੯॥

बिनु सतिगुर को नाउ न पाए प्रभि ऐसी बणत बणाई हे ॥९॥

Bin saṯgur ko nā▫o na pā▫e parabẖ aisī baṇaṯ baṇā▫ī he. ||9||

Without the True Gur, no one finds the Name. Such is the making which God has made. ||9||

SGGS Ang. 1046

I do not know why your preachers seem to be in heavy jail and you also with your arguments.

Balbir Singh

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Panj pyare are physical roop of Guru/Sant/Sadh. One man guruship is no more in Sikhism. People like Balbir may start their guruship, but it is not part of Sikh tradition.

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Dear Balbir ji WJKK WJKF,

Following your replies, i think the cyber sangat can now be clear of YOUR views on Sikhi.

1. You disregard Gurmantar Wahiguru.

2. You disregard Khande Bhatte Da Amrit, as founded by Dashmesh Pitta.

3.You disregard respected Gursikhs of Sikh history.

4. You disregard Sant Mahpurush and Brahmgyani of past and present who hold all of the above teachings as valid.

5.You disregard all puratan samprada such as Budha Dal, Damdami Taksal,Nirmala, Hoti Mardan, Nanaksar, and call them preachers doing "dhandaa".

6. You hold all the above to be teaching from sources other than the Guru Granth Sahib ji, and disregard historical valid sikh texts.

All of the above are summary of your replies to the questions asked, your true intentions have been disclosed. You are free like any other human being, to follow your own beliefs, but please do not try to distort the Guru Mahraj's pavittar Teachings.

Please follow your Sadhu by all means, and let Sikhs follow Living Guru Maharaj Shabad Swaroop, Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the physical emdodiment the Guru Panth 5 Pyare .

Edited by Satgyan-pujari

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Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee!

It is all about ignorance of sick preachers. You are one of the results among many. It is not about disregarding anyone. Ignorant cannot hide behind the crowd longer.

In all your posts you were not able to quote one Vaak from Gurdev that could support your view. It is pity on you.

On only one point I agree with you. That is "6. You hold all the above to be teaching from sources other than the Guru Granth Sahib ji, and disregard historical valid sikh texts."

Your paakhandee preachers may go on printing more books and new ways to mislead the folk but they will not be able to answer any of the questions from the coming generations.

The learning (Sikh) text is Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee, not the writings from your preachers.

You wrote "Please follow your Sadhu by all means, and let Sikhs follow Living Guru Maharaj Shabad Swaroop, Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the physical emdodiment the Guru Panth 5 Pyare ."

True Sikhs are and will also follow The true Gur Sabad in the future. Many others will do dhandha on true Gurus Names. Strange. Mislead people like you do not even know that living with the Sabad Guru is Truth. Sabad Guru does not have a physical embodiment.

But how will you perform all your rituals without the physical embodiment. Hence your dramas and entanglements will continue.

Balbir Singh

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Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee!

It is all about ignorance of sick preachers. You are one of the results among many. It is not about disregarding anyone. Ignorant cannot hide behind the crowd longer.

In all your posts you were not able to quote one Vaak from Gurdev that could support your view. It is pity on you.

On only one point I agree with you. That is "6. You hold all the above to be teaching from sources other than the Guru Granth Sahib ji, and disregard historical valid sikh texts."

Your paakhandee preachers may go on printing more books and new ways to mislead the folk but they will not be able to answer any of the questions from the coming generations.

The learning (Sikh) text is Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee, not the writings from your preachers.

You wrote "Please follow your Sadhu by all means, and let Sikhs follow Living Guru Maharaj Shabad Swaroop, Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the physical emdodiment the Guru Panth 5 Pyare ."

True Sikhs are and will also follow The true Gur Sabad in the future. Many others will do dhandha on true Gurus Names. Strange. Mislead people like you do not even know that living with the Sabad Guru is Truth. Sabad Guru does not have a physical embodiment.

But how will you perform all your rituals without the physical embodiment. Hence your dramas and entanglements will continue.

Balbir Singh

I do not think it is wise for you make commentaries on others. Everyone is at a different level of understanding. What if you are still to experience the reality even more, so do not discredit thoughts or notions that do not make sense to yet. just carry on with your path...

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Gurfateh

Das is sorry but giving the spiritual words from Singh Sahib Balbir Singh about Khanda and Amrit.

and Shri Dasam Granth Sahib.

http://saysatsriakal.com/index2.htm

Khanda and Amrit

You become lonely and only.

What separates you from all?

They call the force His will.

We know Instrument as Khanda.

You feel one becoming none.

What has now combined you?

They call the force His will.

We know Instrument as Amrit.

His Will gets never divided.

He resides in both equally.

When smoothly is revealed

then known is only truth.

For all beloved ones who wish to listen Balbir ji's voice

First part of Sat Sang in punjabi on Khanda and Amrit.

Klick here to play part one.

( audio file is in real player format ) [ 7 min : 26 sec ]

Second part of Sat Sang with questions and answers.

Klick here to play part two.

( audio file is in real player format ) [ 7 min : 55 sec ]

Essence of Charitropaakhyaan

All come into existence through sex. One cannot find a being whose body, mind and soul are not engaged in sex.

Some rare lucky ones come to know true Naam Simran. Naam is God's activity that leads one merging in God.

True Naam wins over forces that entangle one with worldly matters. All worlds and its matter are of trai-gunee character.

God's Will, the Naam Sabad, is God's primal and most powerful activity.

Enlightened beings have recognized it as Bhagauti, Durgaa, Chandee etc.

Its wins over ruling demons are observed as Vaars.

In the Hymns Charitropaakhyaan from Guru Gobind Singh Jee, the wars between Kaam-demon and Naam-Shaktee are described.

Every being realizes these scenes on his spiritual path and daily life.

You may want contentment that life's purpose is fulfilling.

Please come to know true Naam Simran.

Find yourself. Each word from Gurdev is amazingly true.

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Wow Good

An enlightened person used to enjoy 'Raam Naam Ladoo'.

Sometimes when his mouth was overfilled with its taste he sang 'Wow! Good!'.

Many people heard him saying this enthusiastically.

Some sweet makers belonging to business races got the idea to explore it commercially.

They brought the new product in the market and named it 'Wowgood'.

The business started flourishing.

Since then some, are trying to have monopoly on this trade name.

Others are trying to register the patent with a new recipe.

I have visited some of these shops and asked for 'Raam Naam Ladoo'.

They sold something packed very nicely.

And said advertising, please try this. It is our secret recipe.

It tastes 'Wow! Good!'.

So just try to understand inner meanings.

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Forgive das for all mistakes.

In Sampradas say Udasis or Nirmalas or Even Nanaksar there could be others holy words also. Baba Nand Singh got Ram if one site related to Sanatan Sikh is believed.

Yet das is sinner and no real knowledge at all.

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Ragmaala Jee!

These posts are not for preachers and their family clans.

They are playing the pied piper who has lost his flute.

A rare seeker is enough to receive the Gur and act on it. A crowd has never learnt it.

*****

Satgyan-pujari Jee,

Is this respect to the true Guru?

1. Stealing Gurmantar from somebody else discarding all suggestions from the reverend Guru.

2. Tossing away from the only Hari Naam Amrit from all the Gurus.

3. Ignoring Guru's learning and worshiping history of family tribes.

4. Dramatizing own actions and feeling responsible for distributing degrees of Mahaapurush and Brahmgyanee.

5. Preferring and joining a Samprada discounting true Guru's Learning.

Balbir Singh

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Ragmaala Jee, are you the same Radmaala who wrote in the previous post "I do not think it is wise for you make commentaries on others." And you are commenting now that I cannot become a kathaa Vaachak because my voice sucks.

Are you little worried about your business?

I just realized that you have edited your post. Why?

Balbir Singh

Edited by Balbir Singh

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I would love to see evidence for your viewpoints on Gurmantr.

correct me if I'm wrong, but what you are saying seems to be that the Gurmantr is the mantr that a true sadhu gives you directly??

And that the correct mantra to do jaap of is whatever the particular sadhu chooses??

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An Amritdhari once told me that there is no point in reciting 'Waheguru' unless one receive it from Guru roop Panj Pyare during initiation. It is Gurmantr only when received from Guru.

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Dear all and Xylitol Jee!

You wished "I would love to see evidence for your viewpoints on Gurmantr."

The reverend Gurus never say that 'Vaahiguru' is the Gurmantar or suggest doing Jap of it. Bhai Gurdaas Jee also never said "please come to me, I give you Gurmantar."

You may say that all were receiving this Gurmantar through Bhai Gurdaas Jee. One day someone could not keep it secret and has started whispering it. Preachers thought to make it popular on earth to make money and reserve the seat in heaven also.

Is there any evidence that Bhai Gurdaas Jee used to give this Gurmantar secretly or openly with the consent of the true Gurus? The Gurus also never mentioned the capability of Bhai Saahib giving the Gurmantar. The Aakaash Vaanee tells me that it was stolen. And thieves always follow their mind, not their true Guru.

Quote "correct me if I'm wrong, but what you are saying seems to be that the Gurmantr is the mantr that a true sadhu gives you directly??"

The human mind as such is not capable to enliven truth of tomorrow in present. One has to go through this adventure himself. Please visit a true Sadhu and come to know it. Collecting information about Naam is not knowing it. Were you never curious to know why the true Gurus suggest to go to a Sadhu? Have your preachers any answer for it?

Quote "And that the correct mantra to do jaap of is whatever the particular sadhu chooses??"

All the reverend Gurus are singing also today about this Mantar.

Please listen. My Gurdev is singing.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮਾ ਉਚਰੁ ਮਨਾ ॥

स्री राम नामा उचरु मना ॥

Sarī rām nāmā ucẖar manā.

SGGS Ang. 155

You know why it does not work with Manmukhs. It is because your preachers promised you God by reading it but Gurdev is confirming again

ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ . . .

कबीर राम कहन महि भेदु है . . .

'Kabeer Raam kahan mahi bhedu hai ...'

(sggs p 1374).

Gurdev never said that 'Raam paRan mahi bhedu hai . . .'

Preacher, the narakee pashu but goes on humiliating you by finding mistakes in your reading. Whereas he has invented many rules for reading it, which Gurus never talked about.

Balbir Singh

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Dear Balbir ji WJKK WJKF

I never claimed to be a Brahmgyani, i am just a humble Sikh of the Guru Maharaj trying to follow the marg of Guru Granth Sahib ji. The so called prechers are reputable Gursikhs teaching the Message of Guru Nanak ji, in a direct samprada lineage.

Most of the topics discussed ie Wahiguru mantar, Khande Bhatte Da Amrit are verifiable teachings of Sikhi passed down through samprada lineage, from the Guru Maharaj, and as such would not neccessarily be included in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The Shabads recorded by Guru Arjun Dev ji (penned by Bhai Gurdas ji) are the Bani uttered by the Guru's, and so are Naam, and Living.

If you believe the Gurmantar is different to Wahiguru, and that the 5 pyare are not the representatives and phsical embodiment of Dasmesh Pita, then please state what you believe to be gurmantar and please rewrite history with references as most reading these posts are intelligent to make their own conclusions.

Also it may be helpful if you were direct and clear in your replies.

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Ragmaala Jee, are you the same Radmaala who wrote in the previous post "I do not think it is wise for you make commentaries on others." And you are commenting now that I cannot become a kathaa Vaachak because my voice sucks.

Are you little worried about your business?

I just realized that you have edited your post. Why?

Balbir Singh

since you brought it up, i will write wt i edited. yes i do not find any substance or anything in your voice, it does suck so do not become a kathavachak. this is my honest opinion, my this commentary is s on something physical that is in audio format.

whereas ur commentaries are non-physical ideas, some of which you might be unaware of.

i am not in this business, so it doesnt concern me.

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Dear Balbir ji WJKK WJKF

I never claimed to be a Brahmgyani, i am just a humble Sikh of the Guru Maharaj trying to follow the marg of Guru Granth Sahib ji. The so called prechers are reputable Gursikhs teaching the Message of Guru Nanak ji, in a direct samprada lineage.

Most of the topics discussed ie Wahiguru mantar, Khande Bhatte Da Amrit are verifiable teachings of Sikhi passed down through samprada lineage, from the Guru Maharaj, and as such would not neccessarily be included in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The Shabads recorded by Guru Arjun Dev ji (penned by Bhai Gurdas ji) are the Bani uttered by the Guru's, and so are Naam, and Living.

If you believe the Gurmantar is different to Wahiguru, and that the 5 pyare are not the representatives and phsical embodiment of Dasmesh Pita, then please state what you believe to be gurmantar and please rewrite history with references as most reading these posts are intelligent to make their own conclusions.

Also it may be helpful if you were direct and clear in your replies.

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee!

May God bless you with the shower of true Naam. You may have to experience God when He wants it. I pray for you and request God Jee to give you Satgyan for true worshiping.

Life goes on even on the true journey but it is different.

The Gur (Wisdom) is realized in the inner core of Mann. Then one comes to know what is Gurmantar. The inner journey starts with true Gurmantar.

It is enough written about it. I feel like going for a walk now.

*****

Thanks for keeping the Satsang alive.

Balbir Singh

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since you brought it up, i will write wt i edited. yes i do not find any substance or anything in your voice, it does suck so do not become a kathavachak. this is my honest opinion, my this commentary is s on something physical that is in audio format.

whereas ur commentaries are non-physical ideas, some of which you might be unaware of.

i am not in this business, so it doesnt concern me.

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Ragmaala Jee,

I pray. God! Please make me what YOU want me, to be.

God Jee, please do not make me the Kathaa Vaachak residing in the mind of Ragmaala Jee.

Balbir Singh

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