amardeep Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 (edited) Reading an article of mughal-ottoman relations during the reign of Akbar I came across an interesting note on Hajj. A few years ago there were intense discussions on this forum on the possibility of Guru Nanak entering Mekka as a non-muslim since according to most (not all) sunni schools of thought non-muslims are banned from entering the City. An early document state that: 'No Muslims and believers in the unity of God', proclaims an Ottoman imperial firman, 'should be hindered in any way if he wishes to visit the Holy Cities and circumambulate the luminous Ka'ba.'42 42. M.D., vol. 6, f. 17, firman no. 39, 1564-5, quoted by Faroqhi, op. cit. 147. Notice there is a distinction between muslims and non-muslim monotheists. One of the 4 sunni schools also say that only polytheists (idol worshippers) are banned from the city of Mecca. Edited November 20, 2010 by amardeep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted November 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 I just spoke with an Imam who says that during Ottoman rule the laws of the Hanafi school was imposed on all religious and administrative institutions. The school of Hanafi allows non-muslims to enter Mecca http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=5101&CATE=239 This should debunk the argument on Guru Nanak and Mecca on whether Guru Nanak was a muslim or not 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Im not sure if the Hanafi school had power in Mecca in the 16th century, but excellent research none the less. Well done. In anycase, the claim that Guru Nanak was a practicing Muslim falls down on many parts, esp as Guru Ji also visited many non Muslim religious sites and partook in their rituals (the correct way :-) this would be considered haraam. Guru Jis philosophy certainly had much in common with Sufi and bhakti thought, but not law/ritual ridden mainstream Islamic or Hindu thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 The Ottomans ruled by the law of Hanafi and they were responsible for the cities of Mecca and Medina. The empire lasted from 1229-1923. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sardar Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) [REMOVED] Edited December 10, 2015 by sarbatdapala 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) double post Edited January 13, 2011 by amardeep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Bijla Singh posted this on Sikhsangat once. Allegedly a writing of Guru Nanak in first person on his trip to Mekka. (though a modern panjabi translation). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sardar Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) [REMOVED] Edited December 10, 2015 by sarbatdapala 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sardar Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) [REMOVED] Edited December 10, 2015 by sarbatdapala 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyhp32 Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 It's a Qadiani forgery. I think I read about this a decade ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Does anyone know where the above punjabi and arabic text is from? what is a forgery tony? That Maharaj wore blue clothes or the text above? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Does anyone know where the above punjabi and arabic text is from? what is a forgery tony? That Maharaj wore blue clothes or the text above? I could be wrong, but I think Tony Jee might be referring to the Chola with writings from the Kuraan on it that Ahmadis use as a proof that Guru Nanak Dev Jee was a Muslim. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyhp32 Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I remember the text from an old copy of the Sikh review magazine either from the late 60s or early 70s. The article was written by Trilochan Singh who wrote an excellent book on Guru Nanak for the DSGMC in 1969. Another scholar responded to the article and proved it to be a qadiani forgery to put forward their agenda that Guru Nanak was a muslim. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sardar Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [REMOVED] Edited December 10, 2015 by sarbatdapala 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Ok so according to Tony the Scholar said Ahmadiyya made it up, but on what grounds? on the supposed grounds, that Sikhs following a Muslim Pir should convert to islam and save themsleves. this is what the muslims/ahmediyyas are after. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 The Ahmadiyas made it up in order to convert sikhs into Islam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Islamic sources on Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaj's stay at Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Please listen to Gyani Hari Singh jee Randhawewale: https://kam1825.podbean.com/e/islamic-sources-on-sri-guru-nanak-dev-ji-moving-the-kabba/  Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Great share pappiman. I don't know why Sikhs have began to shy away from this Mecca sakhi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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