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I hope certain idiots from our quarters resist their apparently innate urge to crawl up goray's arse over the issue too.

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In the eyes of the English most of us Sikhs are middle class. If both your parents work or want to work, you are lower middle class. I dont think the working class even exists in the UK since our glorious Thatcher (pbuh) decided to do in the millions of blue collar workers who were the main support for her biggest rivals in Parliament.

As for crawling up asses, I'll wait till I've seen the programme.

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It split into the lower middle class who no longer do blue collar jobs and work in various parts of the service sector (paid and unpaid) instead. The other half are the 'cash in hand'/benefits for life types who dont want to work or at least not give the goverment their cut.

The days of millions of blue collar workers jovially doing their menial jobs is long gone, in the UK at least. Marx would be turning in his grave.

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I dont think the working class even exists in the UK since our glorious Thatcher (pbuh) decided to do in the millions of blue collar workers who were the main support for her biggest rivals in Parliament

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Nah mate. They are still around.

They've just been herded into enclaves and are stunned at the pace of change.

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Event in East London. Good to see women facing up to it.

http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/event/7747018541/efblike

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Just saw the BBC documentary (thanks to HSD for posting).

I feel that the Brit establishment has been compelled to start facing up to the issue, albeit reluctantly. It's still uncomfortable because Paks have such nuisance value in this country plus we are generally docile pricks ourselves. Shame on the redneck ar5eholes (especially those in the pig force and media) for consistently defaming guys who've been trying to highlight this issue for decades. Respect to the true SPs and others who gave a f**k when others hid behind their 'religiosity' and bullshit.

Truth be told, I felt a certain degree of shame at the guilelessness of apneean watching the video. But we have to put those types of feelings away and realise that these are innocent nyanay.

On reflection I still think VERY little has changed at ground level. God knows how many girls are being used and abused as we speak.

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Wait and see. I get the feeling that a lot of Sikhs just want this issue to drop out of view so they can go back to bickering and bitching. SikhSangat has never been so quiet.

If Sikhs really want to wake up they need to set up SAS groups in the US and Commonwealth now. And not 'open to all, let me show off my ego' type groups Sikhs tend to set up but a group that can make real change. On the social media, Left Wing Whites were calling Mohan Singh a racist and liar, others along with sulleh were joking about volunteering to act as counsellors to Sikh girls. Sunny Hundal and his harem accused SAS of acting as vigilantes and questionned whether a religous Sikh man is the right image or even capable of helping these girls.These people dont even understand us and our lot act like we are all the same. That's not to say we arent all equal but some people have different biases. Just because there is a bit more awareness doesnt mean we can run off and make believe that everyone is on our side and that this issue is over. The only ones who can sort this issue out are our own.

Credit where credit is due, the American SIkhs that take in victims caught up in this are fantastic. Before anyone says we should listen to the Goreh and stop sending the girls abroad just because some 'specialist' says so, bare in mind that rich English businessmen have set up a similar network that allows white families who's children are in care or in danger of going there to leave the UK for other parts of Europe and protect their children from grooming and abuse in the care system. I cant over emphasise how important it is that North American Sikhs give us a hand with this issue and protect themselves from this happening to them.

The other thing is that Muslims will seem appealing to our youth as long as we carry on this fundamentalist drive in our religion. We've had ideas about telling religous stories to girls to stop them converting for decades now. That may help with stopping them turning into half-xtians. But how do any of these stories actually stop grooming? They dont. An unhappy or naive or neglected girl will always be a soft target. One of the commenters on SikhChic even said US Sikhs youth seem to be fascinated by muslims as they act how Sikhs want to be. If we stopped acting like dopey blase fundamentalists then maybe this wouldnt happen. There's a reason women-only cultural events are helping to stop girls feel like they are better off being abused by sulleh. Fundamentalist culture doesnt cut it - look at the Times article from last week, it was the simplistic one-dimensional dogmatic lifestyle that drove the girl into being groomed and left her in the paki's hands.

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One of the commenters on SikhChic even said US Sikhs youth seem to be fascinated by muslims as they act how Sikhs want to be.

What do you mean by this? How do sullay act like Sikhs want to be?

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Comment 14 from the link you posted:

Inni Kaur (Fairfield, Connecticut, USA), September 03, 2013, 5:15 PM.

I hesitate as I write this. Please take it in the spirit it is written. Many of you may know that I work closely with Sikh children in the US. The last few years, I have noticed a disturbing trend. Our children, particularly the girls, are saying, "I just want to put it out there that the Muslim boys are so out there ... They have so much confidence ... Their attitude is whatever." These comments are being made in my confidence building session. What is equally disturbing is that their peers are nodding in agreement. Our boys seem to be in agreement. Questions: Why have I begun paying close attention to this? Is this a new trend? Has it been happening and I have been clueless about it? Or have the children become more relaxed with me and therefore are saying what they truly feel? I really don't know. Nor do I have any answers. But as somehow who is deeply connected with the community, I am very concerned. This is not the case of Muslim bashing. This is being aware of what is happening around us. I am sharing this with the sangat with the hope that we pay careful attention to the subtle message that the children send us. I truly hope that I am wrong with what I am observing.

Sulleh have 'swag' is how Sikh kids perceive them. They see the Muslims as standing up for themselves, being comfortable in their ignorance, standing up to 'the man'. They probably romantacise what the Boston bombers did like some minority kids over there do. Just because they live in a hostile white environment isnt an excuse to latch onto anything that seems to resist it. Just like Sikhs here shouldnt join the Far Right even if the muslims have pushed us in that direction. I have relatives over there who have to work in gas stations/stores and serve people with the Nazi tattoos and stuff who try and threaten them. But they do it to put themselves through college and can handle it without going home and staring all lovey eyed at anyone who sticks to fingers up to the West.

Also, a lot of our fundos get their ideas for parchar and even vocabulary off what they hear the sulleh say. It's ridiculous.

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Sulleh have 'swag' is how Sikh kids perceive them. They see the Muslims as standing up for themselves, being comfortable in their ignorance, standing up to 'the man'

I see them like that myself and not without reason!

In the last few years I've been living an area with lots of well to do apnay, and frankly, generally they are a lame lot. Especially Amritdharis. The only mofos who look like they might be able to handle themselves are generally monay pendu freshies. But then they invariably lack any leadership mentality and are just out to get what they can.

Sikhs frequently have no vibe and that 'mean stare' macho shit that comes out of the pend is hardly attractive. Just the other day I went to pick up a takeaway from one of the few apnay restaurants about and firstly saw a family kicking off drunkenly outside on the street. Then when I went in another kick off was about to happen between a Brit raised apna (who was related to the fam kicking off outside) and a freshie. Chairs were hurled around and filthy shite said (something like 'all you daughters get f**ked by sullay' in Panjabi).

Truth be told, I can't effing stand being around apnay in general, so I'm not surprised many girls feel the same. Saday bundhay are generally pussies or cowards too. I just see a bunch of office drones - nothing else. I miss those old, crooked gangster apnay man........lol

At least they would occasionally take risks and kick off now and then!

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It's true though isn't it? From where I'm standing it looks like our society can be simply and accurately described as one where the ultimate and biggest concern boils down to who has the best job. We have this ideal of this sort of picture perfect, innocent, naive, smiley ladida family completely divorced from the realities of an often deceptive, insidious and dark world around them. Our perfect family model actually relies on patently ignoring 'bad things' like they will disappear if we refuse to acknowledge them. Any whiff of something that might have one question the reality of the ladida facade is avoided like the plague, and when the worse happens, its swept under the carpet and the facade maintained.

I mean i've knon Amritdhari families with daughters who've run off with goray, have drug addicted sons and whatnot, but they still front it out at the gurdwara.

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Well sorry about that but the family love a good fight on a night out, we'll try to finish before you get your supper next time. Anyway, as they say the grass is always greener on the other side...

Just like freshies see UK as some golden island full of opportunities and get rich jobs until they get here, a lot of our lot see what they want to see in muslims. The same goes the other way. I know a Punjabi muslim girl who married my mate and she had been beaten black and blue by her dad for listening and dancing to Punjabi music when she was a kid. Girls like her take the rough with the smooth when they join our community and dont seem to mind. If it was such a big thing so many girls wouldnt go out with Sikh guys. Drunken fights are a part of a lot of cultures around the world. Our drinking culture needs to be a bit more civilised, I wont deny that. I prefer the odd drunken dust up to being teetotal and then cutting off my daughter's genitals just because it's part of my culture and acting like it's nothing.

Our lot are a bunch of tools but at least they are candid about what they are like. Sulleh are far better at hiding their laundry. FFS they've been getting away with child prostitution and all sorts in their ghettoes for decades now. As for the office jockeys, show them how its done and turn the sparrow into the hawk. With the grooming issue building up the SAS are going to needs all kinds of help. If the Sikh community piled in and used these skills to secure convictions we could deal a crippling blow to the sulleh like they would never have imagined. Being rich has it's own advantages. As the Jews are all heading to the exits the Sikhs have become the number one tax contributing race per capita. That should bring some power as long as we dont piss it away by asking for stupid things like more Singhs on TV. We could also make lives hell for sulleh by reporting them to immigration, reporting sham marriages, tax dodging cabbies, getting our lot in other countries to make it harder for them to emigrate there etc. They are bricking it since the Lee Rigby murder. Cant you smell the fear lately?

If we still had a proper underclass, they would've been turned into useful idiots by bigger gangs, like in Canada. They still have Sikh gangbangers over there who walk around like they are the dog's bollocks even though it's some old white mafioso pulling the strings above them. The criminal underworld from EP are made up of dopey ex-Punjab Police and foreigners. I dont think we'll ever have the romanticised subculture like the Mafia, Triads or Yakuza have for people who gravitate that way. Maybe if we had our own country, but that's another discussion.

As for the barbarian stare thing, I dunno, gets some girls going in my experience. A lot more appealing than that 'poke your eyes out and stick your tongue out like a dog' thing some freshies (of all religions) and even island born Sikhs do.

It's true though isn't it? From where I'm standing it looks like our society can be simply and accurately described as one where the ultimate and biggest concern boils down to who has the best job. We have this ideal of this sort of picture perfect, innocent, naive, smiley ladida family completely divorced from the realities of an often deceptive, insidious and dark world around them. Our perfect family model actually relies on patently ignoring 'bad things' like they will disappear if we refuse to acknowledge them. Any whiff of something that might have one question the reality of the ladida facade is avoided like the plague, and when the worse happens, its swept under the carpet and the facade maintained.

I mean i've knon Amritdhari families with daughters who've run off with goray, have drug addicted sons and whatnot, but they still front it out at the gurdwara.

The legendary Sikh car crash mentality is nothing new. 150 years we willingly followed the Dogras to our own demise. At least we were up for a fight back then. Racing from one target to the next like a mini version of the Soviet Union is never going to help Sikhs. From job to car to area to holidays, it's an arms race only a few can win. A more tactical approach would do wonders instead. Today we have holy people telling us that we are going to win WW3(!). People will always see what they want to see. If they dont want to see the issues than they are going to get bitten sooner or later.

Like I said in another thread, the day the Sikh community and parents put the needs and future of their children above the wants and wishes of the wider world will be the day a lot of these issues f*ck off. Obviously you will still get some fundos down the Gurdwara praying for riches and great jobs for their kids, just like you get sulleh fundos who dont want to live in the more fundamentalist parts of the Islamic world.

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Like I said in another thread, the day the Sikh community and parents put the needs and future of their children above the wants and wishes of the wider world will be the day a lot of these issues f*ck off.

Not at all. The day we remember that our success in the past was based on people's readiness to sacrifice their sons for a true cause, is when we'll have a half arsed chance of being a strong society again.

Whose got the stomach for that now?

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I get where you're coming from. But Guru Gobind Singh Ji instilled in our people a love of one another that allowed for people to sacrifice themselves without hesitation. He didnt love his sons more than other young Sikh men and he didnt favour them over the collective good. That isnt the case nowadays. A lot of people are only out for themselves and that means treating their kids like lottery tickets. That breeds the kind of resentment that leads to a lot of our problems.

On a macro level. look at the Badals. They poison the Sikh homeland, give out drugs and drink, impoverish poor people even more with high prices for everyday materials, prostitute our heritage for tourist dollars, destroy heritage to make way for terrible new buildings, import millions of muslims and other immigrants who make ordinary Punjabis' lives unbearable, order police and gangs to attack villages, bankrupt the state etc etc. Now this leads to a lot of anger and hatred towards them and the Akali Dal. When the Indian economy enters the shitter and the Badals start crying for help from the NRIs, none is forthcoming. Why? Well why would any Sikh in their right mind support these dogs? If they didnt do these things and did things that were not so damaging to East Punjab, people would be far more loyal and willing to help. Maharaja Ranjit Singh's Empire still inspires people to this day. The actions of our ancestors do so aswell. But the actions of modern Sikh elders and leaders is anything but endearing. You cannot say any Sikh leader today has the same level of benevolence that was worthy of respect and sacrifice like it was historically.

For the grooming issue, a lot of Sikh lads wont do anything because they arent inspired to do so. If they were to act would it stop Sikh parents acting like crackheads in the bookies with a slip in their hand hoping that their horse (kid) comes in first so they can walk off with the winnings? Will it stop the Sikh parents and community acting like idiots so that a girl saved from musigrooming doesnt end up just running off with a gora/kala later on? Will it stop the Sikh boys who helped their Muslim friends get Sikh girlfriends to abuse from being able to marry into the Sikh community? Who will employ these boys who put their neck out? Will they be happy if their daughters married them? Will fighting the groomers stop fundo Sikhs from blaming the victims and saying stupid things like this wouldnt happen if everyone wore a turban? These are the things that have changed since the old days. You've read PP, you should know all about support networks.

Look at what happened in Leicester. Why dont Gurdwaras give a grand to the boys' family for every month their boy is in jail? We hand out siropas like it's nothing, but we cant take care of our own. Would a Sikh business owner employ them when they leave prison? When it comes to others, we are all about second chances. With our own we let them rot. With parents ripping off their own kids in our own community I doubt these ideas would even pop into the heads of our elders or leaders. Why dont the Akali Dal raise this issue with the British Consulate staff who are always selling Sikhs over there all sorts of useless services and products? Why are the Badals going on trips to countries who give money to mosques here in the UK for every SIkh child they convert? Why are Sikh bodies in the West so sycophantic to Muslims when they cant even sort out our own issues? Look at what happened in Quebec with the hijab/kirpan issue. Why arent Sikh lawyers lining up to help the grooming victims and those who fought back after the BBC documentary? Why arent Sikh journalists countering the lefty and muslim apologist nonsense? Why arent Sikh politicians coming down hard on this seeing as muslim politicians were so willing to hide the culprits in their own community? Ultimately we have to work with what we have. Who knows, the office drone could be a lethal predator with the right man behind the controls.

What I'm trying to say is that you need to see this like a war. Having more footsoldiers might give an advantage in some battles and a little more flexibility but ultimately more meat for the grinder wont win the war. You have to hit them hard everywhere. You have to make life hell for those they care about, you have to hit them economically, you have to ruin their lives, destroy their support structures, limit your own exposure and make them never lift their heads again. When they realise they are not dealing with amateurs and try to sue for peace that is when you finish them and devour them as an example to the rest of their people. Until that hunger for victory returns to Sikhs that make them want to build a better world for their kids and to hell with the non-Sikhs we wont get over this issue. If Sikh elders and community really cared for their kids, it would be reciprocated, just as it was back in the old days. But if we tear ourselves apart just because we think it is what the wider world wants or it will help us get ahead, then the apathy will continue.

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As the Jews are all heading to the exits the Sikhs have become the number one tax contributing race per capita. That should bring some power as long as we dont piss it away by asking for stupid things like more Singhs on TV. We could also make lives hell for sulleh by reporting them to immigration, reporting sham marriages, tax dodging cabbies, getting our lot in other countries to make it harder for them to emigrate there etc. They are bricking it since the Lee Rigby murder. Cant you smell the fear lately?

would nt you like to see more Sionghs on tv?

i hear what you're saying but you its hard to do a lot of those things when the british govt is riding this muslim tiger.

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