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You'd have to experiment or hold some kind of competition to find out.

I've seen people try this back in the day - they got their arses kicked in - badly.

there are two famous examples of scrawny dudes being blessed by Guru Sahib, and showing awesome skill.

That's a gross simplification of both the subject and those events.

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Mentality is a huge factor in any hand-hand combat.

Most professional fighters know that their mind is the primary weapon before the rehearsed moves and co-ordination come in.

We all know what 'Eye of the Tiger' means I think ! :mellow: and we've all seen underdogs win major fights just because they had this eye of the tiger in them.

To have the mental ''umpph' is very important in my opinion and you can be surprised how your body can do wonders !

If any of you do something simple like 20 reps on some dumbbells lets say......

Then say that you get fatigue on 15, but can carry on until the last 20.

Now, if you try and completely relax your body and 'MIND' whilst doing this and take away the counting, then you can eventually lift another 5 by getting your mind to override the pain of fatigue and also by being more relaxed to get the 15-20 grunt off your face !

Try it !!! it works for me and ALL this control is in the MIND.

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Good for you.

Try stretching that big brain of yours a bit more. lol

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Mentality is a huge factor in any hand-hand combat.

Most professional fighters know that their mind is the primary weapon before the rehearsed moves and co-ordination come in.

We all know what 'Eye of the Tiger' means I think ! :mellow: and we've all seen underdogs win major fights just because they had this eye of the tiger in them.

To have the mental ''umpph' is very important in my opinion and you can be surprised how your body can do wonders !

If any of you do something simple like 20 reps on some dumbbells lets say......

Then say that you get fatigue on 15, but can carry on until the last 20.

Now, if you try and completely relax your body and 'MIND' whilst doing this and take away the counting, then you can eventually lift another 5 by getting your mind to override the pain of fatigue and also by being more relaxed to get the 15-20 grunt off your face !

Try it !!! it works for me and ALL this control is in the MIND.

Yeah that's the idea.There have been some documented instances where people were able to lift much more weight than they normally could in times of distress. That's what I am interested in. Can the mind be manually pumped up enough to override the capacity of the body in a way that is much more drastic than what you suggest?

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Well i'm sure it can.

We have all seen and heard about the yogis who meditate deeply and psych up their minds so as to dissacoiate from any pain perceptions and walk on fire, hot stones or lay on beds of nails....etc....

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Walking on hot coals has more to do with dry feet than mentality. Lying on a bed of nails has more to do with pressure and the surface area of the nails than some magic ability to stop the nails going through the skin.

In reality, the laws of physics will always apply to fights. No matter your pain tolerance, a well placed powerful punch to your head will still rattle your brains around your skull and possibly make you pass out. If you dont know how to clench a fist then chances are you will break your hand when you hit someone. No matter how mentally elevated you are, it wont change the amount of force needed to break your bones or put you into a position where you get your head kicked in.

The fact that we are even having this conversation shows how complacent and delusional SIkhs have become. Either that or you're all soft headed Canadians.

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Well i'm sure it can.

We have all seen and heard about the yogis who meditate deeply and psych up their minds so as to dissacoiate from any pain perceptions and walk on fire, hot stones or lay on beds of nails....etc....

That's (almost) nothing Lucky ji. Anyone one with confident enough state of mind can do it. I have seen people do it in self-improvement seminars and retreats e.g. Tony Robbins. A bigger challenge is moving a piece of tinfoil with the mind, which takes many weeks of practice. Even harder still is moving bigger things. I have seen demonstrations by a guy who could move natural elements, ie make clouds to disperse, change the direction of air currents, cause vibrations in water. That would be even more challenging than moving a piece of tin foil. I would class Bir ras induced strength to be on this skill level. Bir ras is different than Sant Ras, in that it needs to be built up fast whereas Sant Ras builds up slowly over time. Bir ras goes down, whereas Sant ras stays built up. Sant ras is involved in moving tin foil and other things (long term) Bir ras is required to walk over fire and perform even more deadly feats (short term).

Is technique absolutely necessary? Probably not. Technique always helps though. Even when we talk about sant ras. You know the technique: relax your body and muscles, take deep breaths, say "Om", meditate on its vibration, etc. This is a technique, and it makes the task of gathering Sant ras alot easier than if tehre is no technique involved. I think bir ras might be similar in that it maybe much harder to build up without techniques.

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Bir ras pumps u up mentally. Hence the reason singhs did chande di vaar before their jangs. It is like listening to rap when working out it gets u in the mood. Things like shouts and chants used by armies have the same effect(for very small amount of time). And it gives u a spiritual goal that i have take guru sahibs sharan by reading his banni and can acomplish anything, when an army believes in a higher power that will save them they    subsequently fight better. If guru sahib can make a gunga recite geeta then why cant he make his singhs powerfull without training. Do we not have the same guru as before. We have given shahidi again and again and people that gave it fid loads of path like bhai manni singh who was reciting japji sahib when he was cut in 2 by mugals. And it doesnt look good if singhs fight, we are all brothers and sisters and should stand together and fight like our gurus instructed us to. Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh

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3 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

As dass is on strong medications for depression and anxiety is maybe why I don't feel Bir ras. But back in the day before the medications i used to feel pumped like always edgy behaviour etc whenever i would read banis like Chandi Di Vaar, Shastar Naam Mala,Brahm Kavach with panj banis and Anand Sahib. I have seen it worse when i would read Chandi Di Vaar on its own especially those episodes of rage i had. 

 

But looking at the past few years dass has started sukhmani sahib ji with any dasam bani such as Chandi Di Vaar to keep both Shant Ras and Bir Ras. Plus also the medications to help keep calm as well.

Bir Ras is a double edged sword. With rare exception it's better to stay Shanti. Take it from the wretch. 

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On 5/14/2023 at 12:12 AM, Soulfinder said:

I <img src="> agree with you veer ji. 

On 5/14/2023 at 12:11 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

Bir Ras is a double edged sword. With rare exception it's better to stay Shanti. Take it from the wretch. 

obviously I don't know but even if not im sure someone could benefit from this..

but you might be confusing invoking anger which is false rather than invoking shakti which is true. there would be a beautifully intoxicating n o so powerful field around you that is so comforting and peaceful n loving at the same time (I have felt off some Gursikhs). and anger is really draining every else around you aswell. try going into nature away from everyone you know n try it there aswell as Sarbloh bani which I used to find sharpens all that shakti n makes it rather clean feeling. the people you walk past in public will be scared n it can make you feel quite bad for being in your full glory (can bring alot of shame to your soul which is absolutely detrimental to your own growth). same thing as going into nature is going into a true Sangat of Gursikhs who know what they're doing

 

if you say the bani o so humbly n meekly like your asking it from Nirunkaar above you, He will provide you the shakti ( True Power. ) , without having to force it out urself. (brings up anger)

maybe try whispering the bani

but ultimately it does come down to how pure you are as n individual but Guru Sahib Will guide you

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1 hour ago, singh77777 said:

obviously I don't know but even if not im sure someone could benefit from this..

but you might be confusing invoking anger which is false rather than invoking shakti which is true. there would be a beautifully intoxicating n o so powerful field around you that is so comforting and peaceful n loving at the same time (I have felt off some Gursikhs). and anger is really draining every else around you aswell. try going into nature away from everyone you know n try it there aswell as Sarbloh bani which I used to find sharpens all that shakti n makes it rather clean feeling. the people you walk past in public will be scared n it can make you feel quite bad for being in your full glory (can bring alot of shame to your soul which is absolutely detrimental to your own growth). same thing as going into nature is going into a true Sangat of Gursikhs who know what they're doing

 

if you say the bani o so humbly n meekly like your asking it from Nirunkaar above you, He will provide you the shakti ( True Power. ) , without having to force it out urself. (brings up anger)

maybe try whispering the bani

but ultimately it does come down to how pure you are as n individual but Guru Sahib Will guide you

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How many violent encounters you been in?

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4 minutes ago, singh77777 said:

none after I learnt ab this, people won't try it if they feel ur aura is stronger than theirs. (n dont say anything to others being mr bigman)

I agree with what you said. But I don't see anyway navigating my life without having interceded in violence...kinda. Alot. Take what you know now that I agree with and remember under pressure it's not like that. Once you step into certain areas you will effected. 

And once it changes you reclaiming you health and balance is difficult. Most people have achieved this by being cowards. 

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1 minute ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I agree with what you said. But I don't see anyway navigating my life without having interceded in violence...kinda. Alot. Take what you know now that I agree with and remember under pressure it's not like that. Once you step into certain areas you will effected. 

And once it changes you reclaiming you health and balance is difficult. Most people have achieved this by being cowards. 

nah don't get me wrong I know if you've got hit anger comes out by itself, but im saying I don't think we should practise getting angry in our rooms, when we read the bani, we should be Tryna invoke shakti, no? then that'll help the rest of your whole life n anything you apply urself to

I feel true power comes from that love (shakti) not anger

but im aware that even after a fight its v hard to actually calm urself down again but im not talking about calming down w the shakti bani. I was saying the cool calming effect comes after you've read the bani because you feel so powerful. n safe. if that makes sense?

I have no doubt obtaining more shakti makes ur anger/fierceness way more powerful also. if you're talking about "going primal" if yk what I mean. I feel like that would be so draining to do that when reading the paath. is that what were supposed to do?

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2 minutes ago, singh77777 said:

nah don't get me wrong I know if you've got hit anger comes out by itself, but im saying I don't think we should practise getting angry in our rooms, when we read the bani, we should be Tryna invoke shakti, no? then that'll help the rest of your whole life n anything you apply urself to

I feel true power comes from that love (shakti) not anger

but im aware that even after a fight its v hard to actually calm urself down again but im not talking about calming down w the shakti bani. I was saying the cool calming effect comes after you've read the bani because you feel so powerful. n safe. if that makes sense?

I have no doubt obtaining more shakti makes ur anger/fierceness way more powerful also. if you're talking about "going primal" if yk what I mean. I feel like that would be so draining to do that when reading the paath. is that what were supposed to do?

Agree. 

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