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According to sant gurbachan singh ji katha he quoted from amar kosh where bhaugati is interpreted to have four theological meaning -

1. Akaal purkh including all sargun aspects (sargun and nirgun is one)

2. Kirpan- Sri Sahib

3. Bhagvati Chandi

4. Aad shakti

All four forms of interpertations are accepted depending on the context.

Neo tat khalsa always have got some insecurity issues and downplay stuff to please fascist right wing sikh groups and masses ... they want to confine parbhram into semetic abhramic interpretations. See all that would not have matter if they are honest seekers to understand divinity but they are no different than those rss bigots that they are fighting against.

well said Neoji.

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On 3/6/2014 at 10:18 AM, N30 S!NGH said:

According to sant gurbachan singh ji katha he quoted from amar kosh where bhaugati is interpreted to have four theological meaning -

1. Akaal purkh including all sargun aspects (sargun and nirgun is one)

2. Kirpan- Sri Sahib

3. Bhagvati Chandi

4. Aad shakti

All four forms of interpertations are accepted depending on the context.

Neo tat khalsa always have got some insecurity issues and downplay stuff to please fascist right wing sikh groups and masses ... they want to confine parbhram into semetic abhramic interpretations. See all that would not have matter if they are honest seekers to understand divinity but they are no different than those rss bigots that they are fighting against.

Neo do you actually have anything positive to add to the debate 

I have written by view about Uggardanti, you cannot accept that the text views the end of the Mughal rule as the destruction of Islam and Hinduism and the triumph of the Khalsa. Rather than respond and add to the debate all you can do is give your usual 'multiple layers' of meanings excuse and call anyone who translates the text faithfully as 'khaliban'

So come on, give your views on the Uggardanti,

1. Who is the Devi in the text?

2. Why are Maseets and Mandirs, Veds and Purans and Qurans to be destroyed?

3. What is the teesra Panth that will be supreme after the destruction of the other two?

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On 3/5/2014 at 2:12 PM, BhagatSingh said:

Actually if you read it like a poem, you know exactly where the comma comes. There's beat to it that is broken otherwise.

ਅਗਮ ਸੂਰਬੀਰੇ, ਉਠਹਿ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੋਧਾ ॥ ਪਕੜ ਤੁਰਕ ਗਨ ਕਉ, ਕਰੈ ਵੈ ਨਿਰੋਧਾ ॥

Ample brave Singh warriors will rise. They will face the Turks and make them defenceless.

ਸਕਲ ਜਗਤ ਮੋ, ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਗਾਜੈ ॥ ਜਗੈ ਧਰਮ ਹਿੰਦੁਕ, ਤੁਰਕਨ ਦੁੰਦ ਭਾਜੈ ॥

Throughout the world the Khalsa Panth will be prominent. The Hindu Dharam will prevail, and the Turks will be in flight.

ਜਪਉਂ ਜਾਪ ਏਕੈ, ਹਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਅਕਾਲੰ ॥ ਹੈਵ ਤਬ ਦੁਨੀਆਂ ਸਭ, ਛਿਨਕ ਮੈਂ ਨਿਹਾਲੰ ॥

Everyone will worship only the one Almighty. The entire world will be immediately be blissful.

ਸੁਣਹੁ ਤੁਮ ਭਵਾਨੀ, ਹਮਨ ਕੀ ਪੁਕਾਰੇ ॥ ਕਰਹੁ ਦਾਸ ਪਰ, ਮਿਹਰ ਅਪਰੰ ਅਪਾਰੇ ॥

Please listen to my plea, my Mother Bhavani. Bestow your great blessings on this slave.

The comma is always before the last three words.

even if this is accepted as the truth, the fact is that the Dharma of kalyug is Gurmat, we are the true Hindus. So if the Hindu Dharma prevails, we know that Guru Sahib is talking about the Sikh panth, and not Sher's gang.

On 3/5/2014 at 2:53 PM, Jonny101 said:

I would not trust the site above. I will not say much about him but he promotes non Sikh practices.

just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it false/wrong. You sound like you have learned everything there is to know in Sikhi.

On 3/5/2014 at 4:11 PM, Sher said:

What kind of sikhi, gurmat you guys are following as you seem to have only one point agenda - prove somehow that Gurus wrote every single word to rub Hindus' collective nose in the dust. that a new 'dharam' was created the day Baba Nanak was born. after that day, everything should be seen in black and white, Sikh and Hindu. In other words, Baba Nanak and the following nine Gurus and Bhagats were born to divide.

This is the 3rd sensible post you have written in all the time and posts you have made here. Why do you shower us with shite, when you can actually write some sensible posts as above?

 

 

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On 3/8/2014 at 2:08 PM, chatanga1 said:

even if this is accepted as the truth, the fact is that the Dharma of kalyug is Gurmat, we are the true Hindus. So if the Hindu Dharma prevails, we know that Guru Sahib is talking about the Sikh panth, and not Sher's gang.

just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it false/wrong. You sound like you have learned everything there is to know in Sikhi.

This is the 3rd sensible post you have written in all the time and posts you have made here. Why do you shower us with shite, when you can actually write some sensible posts as above?

 

 

Neo from what I have seen on Sikhsangat there are times when you support Khalistan than you get excited and go against it. What's got you so riled up now?

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Khalistan land of pure enlighten beings kinda like (Begum pura bhagat ravidas talks about) is very noble idea until fanatics hijacks it and ruins every thing to the point I am being forced to coin term peaceful khalistan more often to distinguish the idea of khalistan and keeping idea of khalistan land of pure to its original form.

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This is the tragedy of the Sikhs, that whereas a few decades ago even a child knew what the Khalsa was and Raj Karega Khalsa meant we have grown men now going to so-called Babas to make recordings of their reactionary views and spread misinformation in the Panth. This so-called Baba has subverted the Rehatnamas which clearly state who a Khalsa is.

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When Guru Gobind Singh has given Amrit to Panj Payaras, then Panj Puran Khalsas were created by Dhan Dhan Dassam Patshah Ji by giving them all the three Amrits (Sanskar Amrit, Naam Amrit, Gyan Amrit or Atam Ras) at the same time.

When Guru Gobind Singh Ji said: Khalsa is my special form I reside within the Khalsa.
HE means to the one who attains the Atam Rass (the last Amrit) and NOT just the Sanskar Amrit.

The definition of Khalsa as per Guru Gobind Singh Ji is:

Atam Ras Jeh Janye So Hi Khals Dev Prabh Meh Moh Meh Taas Meh Ranchak Nahin Bhed.

A Khalsa is the one who enjoys the Atam Ras (Gyan Amrit) – spiritual bliss – and who has been elevated to such a level that there is no difference between him, the SatGuru and Akal Purakh.

What I've seen these days, especially in Western countries (people born here) treat Sanskar Amrit as Khalsa and they want Khalistan without understanding the definition of Khalsa. And when anyone (like in Video) suggest the right thing, they just come out saying no Khalsa is the one who has taken Sanskar Amrit. As per their ideology, God (the supreme being) is favoring the ones who has taken Sanskar Amrit; do you really think that God will favor one over the other?

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The definition of Khalsa as per Guru Gobind Singh Ji is:

Atam Ras Jeh Janye So Hi Khals Dev Prabh Meh Moh Meh Taas Meh Ranchak Nahin Bhed.

A Khalsa is the one who enjoys the Atam Ras (Gyan Amrit) – spiritual bliss – and who has been elevated to such a level that there is no difference between him, the SatGuru and Akal Purakh.

So this is part of the doctrine of Guru Granth-Guru Panth, Sikhs who succeed to atam ras padvi are the Guru Panth?

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So this is part of the doctrine of Guru Granth-Guru Panth, Sikhs who succeed to atam ras padvi are the Guru Panth?

Is there any Panth (differentiation) left once anyone attains Atam Ras?

What exactly one attains after Atam Ras?

What is the difference between Guru and Raab?

Edited by das

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Of what i have heard many suggest Dasam Baani to be read around noon timings giving logic that it being Bir Ras Baani..what i personally feel is ..when you do the baani the few times you will feel the energy flow inside you at a certain time.This should be taken as the appropriate time for you.

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On 3/5/2014 at 3:09 PM, N30 S!NGH said:

Ugardanti is not stating khalsa will be destroying puranas or vedas, obviously that would be self destructive against gurbani itself where gurbani supporting vedas and puranas gyan sidhant ie- akaal usta/t as far as mool sidhant is concerned but rather kaal- maha kaal will destroy everything in non dualistic sense- disappear back in mahakaal- destruction has many layers of interpretations not just physical but mental perceptions ns-read parloa, maha parloa, gyan parloa explanation by sant gurbachan singh bhindranwale in 21st astpahadi.

 

ਮੜੀ ਗੋਰ ਦੇਵਲ ਮਸੀਤਾਂ ਗਿਰਾਯੰ

You are the one which destroy All Temples(Contain Idols), Mosques, Domes and Graves.

ਤੁਹਿ ਏਕ ਅਕਾਲ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਾਯੰ

You are the one, who bless with the understanding of One Timeless, Hari(which makes everyone Green).

ਮਿਟਹਿ ਬੇਦ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਅਠਾਰਹਿ ਪੁਰਾਨਾ

All knowledge of Shastras and 18 Puranas Vanish.

ਮਿਟੈ ਬਾਂਗ ਸਲਵਾਤ ਸੁੰਨਤ ਕੁਰਾਨਾ

and all Ritualistic practices like Namaz, Circumcision vanish, because of You.

— UgarDanti, Chand Fifth, Verse 17-20)

This clearly states that the differences will vanish..the Baani is reverence to the Shakti of Akaal Purakh .the Chanddi..originating from the Akaal Purakh..The Khalsa concept of Guru Maharaj is the Purest Form of Dharma ..and just Dharma..it means that there is no labelling like Dharma being Hindu or Muslim ..the Khalsa is the Dharma without a label...

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What are the recommended timings to read Uggardanti Bani?

In reality there is no timing. We have created these so called timing in our head for no reason. The singhs in the jungles were not worried about timings. They used to do bani whenever wherever they had a chance. People work and they won't be able to do bani in a certain "timing" does that mean that they can't do that specific bani? A person has to have sharda and that overrides all the "timing" etc.

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On 16/08/2014 at 4:19 AM, Ragmaala said:

What are the recommended timings to read Uggardanti Bani?

Veer ji i have read Ugardanti a few times and i asked a Gursikh friend of mine and the time for it is before sunset like Chandi Di Vaar. 

 

My friend said that Ugardanti is more tej the bir ras from it than Chandi Di Vaar. Its best to do Sukhmani Sahib straight after these banis.

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