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I dont know its real or fake but i have heard that Sikhs and Hindus were fighting with each other during Punjabi suba movement

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I dont know its real or fake but i have heard that Sikhs and Hindus were fighting with each other during Punjabi suba movement

This link below will provide you with some information regarding 1966 anti-sikhs riots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Suba_movement

Don't forget to visit the following link after you have visited the above link. Also visit your library to continue your research on this. It is very important for everyone to know sikh history.

http://www.massviolence.org/the-1984-anti-sikhs-pogroms-in-new-dehli?cs=print

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I have a video of simranjit Singh Mann outlining a plan by master Tara Singh way back in the 40s to drive out the Hindus after the British and Moslems were taken care of.

Then by all means, please post it here.

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Looking for it now. I posted it on another similar forum and was banned for it. Lol

Can't seem to find it anymore

Typical Hindu. Make statements but fails to provide the evidence.

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Typical Hindu. Make statements but fails to provide the evidence.

how about you, making such disgusting, divisive claims all the time but nothing to justify your hatred for Hindus. this video is almost 50 years old. nothing else to prove "These Hindu Jihadis are creating trouble since INDEPENDENCE" as claimed by one of your fanatic brother.

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how about you, making such disgusting, divisive claims all the time but nothing to justify your hatred for Hindus. this video is almost 50 years old. nothing else to prove "These Hindu Jihadis are creating trouble since INDEPENDENCE" as claimed by one of your fanatic brother.

It's not 50 years old but a fairly recent one with simranjit Singh Mann.

He says that his father met with baldev Singh and Tara Singh and asked why the Sikhs are joining India and the Hindus?

And was told by Tara Singh " when the British leave then we are going to kick out these bodhi wale dhoti wales"

The plan to ethnically cleanse the Hindus was way before Indira, operation blue star.

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As one of the main factors which led to the ousting of the Muslims from East Punjab especially the Sikh dominated areas was to create space for the resettling of Sikh refugees from West Punjab then it is natural that either Hindus refugees from West Punjab not be allowed to resettle in East Punjab and if possible Hindus already there be also ousted.

With the ousting of the Muslims even without the resettling of Sikh refugees, the districts of Amritsar, Ludhiana, Firozpur, had become Sikh majority districts. Add to this the fact that Hindus in Jalandhar were 50.37% of the population compared to 48.8% of Sikhs and the Sikhs dominated the rural areas. In Gurdaspur Hindus were 51% and the Sikhs were 40% and apart from Pathankot tehsils the Sikhs dominated the rural areas of the district. Only in Hoshiarpur was the difference between Sikhs and Hindus large in number. Hindus were and Sikhs were 25% and Hindus 75%, Again in some tehsils Sikhs were a majority in the rural areas. The Sikhs were also a majority in Patiala, Faridkot and Nabha states and the Punjabi speaking areas of Jind state.

So if the plan had been to create an independent Sikh state in 1947 then you would not have seen the resettlement of Hindu refugees from West Punjab being resettled in East Punjab. Given the lack of law and order and the precarious nature of the new government in Delhi then the Sikhs would have been successful in denying the settlement of Hindus in East Punjab. It would not make sense to allow a fifth column of Sikh haters to settle in areas that had a Sikh majority. Had these Hindus not been allowed to settle in East Punjab and been instead settled in Haryana areas or Jammu and Sikh refugees solely been settled in East Punjab, the Punjab today would have had a Sikh majority of over 80% and the Sikhs would have been a majority in both the rural and urban areas. There would have been no Punjab problem as the tiny Hindu minority would not have been able to act as a fifth column in Punjab and be hostile to the just demands of the state. The Punjabi Hindus would have had more clout in Haryana and could even have been a majority in some of the districts like Karnal, Panipat etc. If the Hindus already living in Sikh areas of East Punjab also been ousted and moved to Haryana. There would have an independent Sikh state and the Indian state of Haryana would have had a Punjabi Hindu problem!

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It's not 50 years old but a fairly recent one with simranjit Singh Mann.

He says that his father met with baldev Singh and Tara Singh and asked why the Sikhs are joining India and the Hindus?

And was told by Tara Singh " when the British leave then we are going to kick out these bodhi wale dhoti wales"

The plan to ethnically cleanse the Hindus was way before Indira, operation blue star.

Still waiting for the proof. ...whenever you get a chance, of course.

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As one of the main factors which led to the ousting of the Muslims from East Punjab especially the Sikh dominated areas was to create space for the resettling of Sikh refugees from West Punjab then it is natural that either Hindus refugees from West Punjab not be allowed to resettle in East Punjab and if possible Hindus already there be also ousted.

With the ousting of the Muslims even without the resettling of Sikh refugees, the districts of Amritsar, Ludhiana, Firozpur, had become Sikh majority districts. Add to this the fact that Hindus in Jalandhar were 50.37% of the population compared to 48.8% of Sikhs and the Sikhs dominated the rural areas. In Gurdaspur Hindus were 51% and the Sikhs were 40% and apart from Pathankot tehsils the Sikhs dominated the rural areas of the district. Only in Hoshiarpur was the difference between Sikhs and Hindus large in number. Hindus were and Sikhs were 25% and Hindus 75%, Again in some tehsils Sikhs were a majority in the rural areas. The Sikhs were also a majority in Patiala, Faridkot and Nabha states and the Punjabi speaking areas of Jind state.

So if the plan had been to create an independent Sikh state in 1947 then you would not have seen the resettlement of Hindu refugees from West Punjab being resettled in East Punjab. Given the lack of law and order and the precarious nature of the new government in Delhi then the Sikhs would have been successful in denying the settlement of Hindus in East Punjab. It would not make sense to allow a fifth column of Sikh haters to settle in areas that had a Sikh majority. Had these Hindus not been allowed to settle in East Punjab and been instead settled in Haryana areas or Jammu and Sikh refugees solely been settled in East Punjab, the Punjab today would have had a Sikh majority of over 80% and the Sikhs would have been a majority in both the rural and urban areas. There would have been no Punjab problem as the tiny Hindu minority would not have been able to act as a fifth column in Punjab and be hostile to the just demands of the state. The Punjabi Hindus would have had more clout in Haryana and could even have been a majority in some of the districts like Karnal, Panipat etc. If the Hindus already living in Sikh areas of East Punjab also been ousted and moved to Haryana. There would have an independent Sikh state and the Indian state of Haryana would have had a Punjabi Hindu problem!

how perverted one can get! what makes you think Hindus in east punjab were not making space for Hindu AND Sikh refugees? if you think only Sikhs are responsible for ousting Muslims from EP, why there are no muslims in all of haryana and Himachal except Mewat area south of delhi?

Sikh population percentage in haryana (2001 figures) is just 5.5. This includes large number of sikhs who settled in these areas after 1947. Hindu population in haryana is around 90% with Punjabi Hindus supposed to be around 38%. That's a massive number indicating that large number of Hindus settled in what is Haryana state today. this also explains the discrepancy in the fall of Hindu population in Punjab.

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how perverted one can get! what makes you think Hindus in east punjab were not making space for Hindu AND Sikh refugees? if you think only Sikhs are responsible for ousting Muslims from EP, why there are no muslims in all of haryana and Himachal except Mewat area south of delhi?

Himachal only had 1 or 2% muslims at most, so it wouldnt take much to shift them.

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I wouldnt wish these Panjabi Hindus on anyone. That would be just too cruel to those people.

Well said Chatanga veer these people are curse for everyone , In Punjab thery create problem for Sikhs , In Haryana they create problem for their own Hindu jaat and In Delhi they create problem for UP and Bihar waalas . When they don find anyone then they with each other on the name that we Khatris are superior then Aroras and Pandits . God known what they want . In last 10 yrs many of these have moved to Gurgaon and Noida so except more trouble too.

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This is how the largest democracy of the world conducts its daily business! You can see the poor woman is really struggling hard to make these idiots listen to her. Sickening! Is the speaker of the House dead by any chance? Anyone? It has given me such an earache!

Comparison

They listen.

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The Hindutva brigade gets it as well. There is a special mention by Adityanath of 84. Speech for the ages from the man

who has cleared Gorkhpur of Jihadis, and their supporters. Notice how the Sikh member at first shouts him down, and

then agrees with him about the events of 84.

As Adityanath says " Claim secularism but implement a communal agenda" that is the GOI.

"Moin Varth" - A fast of silence while Hindus and Sikhs are killed.

Edited by Amandeep Hindustani

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how perverted one can get! what makes you think Hindus in east punjab were not making space for Hindu AND Sikh refugees? if you think only Sikhs are responsible for ousting Muslims from EP, why there are no muslims in all of haryana and Himachal except Mewat area south of delhi?

Sikh population percentage in haryana (2001 figures) is just 5.5. This includes large number of sikhs who settled in these areas after 1947. Hindu population in haryana is around 90% with Punjabi Hindus supposed to be around 38%. That's a massive number indicating that large number of Hindus settled in what is Haryana state today. this also explains the discrepancy in the fall of Hindu population in Punjab.

Large numbers of refugee Hindus were settled in Sikhs areas. In Ludhiana district where Hindus were only 21% of the population in 1941 and without any refugee settlement and with expulsion of the Muslims, they would have been 32% of the population. But because a large number of Hindus were settled in Ludhiana they pushed their population up to 37.3%. In hindsight it would have been better if these Hindus had been settled in Haryana area and the Sikhs that were settled in Karnal and Hissar districts had been settled in Ludhiana instead. These Hindus could then have had their Hindi language which they love so much.

If you take the same calculations for the Karnal district, the Sikhs were only 2% of the population in 1941, if no refugees were resettled there and the Muslims expelled, then the Sikh percentage would have gone up to 2.8%. But because large numbers of refugee Sikhs were settled in Karnal district the Sikh percentage went up to 8.9%.

If the resettlement department had made sure that Sikhs were resettled in Sikh areas and the Hindus in Haryana then the Punjabi Hindus would have been in a better position and able to have a say in at least one former East Punjab state ie Haryana rather than having to suffer Sikh domination in Punjab and Haryanvi domination in Haryana.

Punjabi Hindu population is not 38%. It is probably the same as the Sikh percentage, whereas as the Sikhs are mainly rural these Punjabi Hindus are urban and so dominate the urban areas.

Although if what you say is correct then this just proves the point that Punjabi Hindus are still continuing to deny their mother tongue as the Punjabi speaking population of Haryana in 1981 was only 1.1 Million while the Sikhs were 0.8 Million. So this means that roughly 3 lakh Hindus claimed Punjabi as their mother tongue while according to you there should have been 5 million Punjabi Hindus in Haryana in 1981!

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THE SIKH TIMES
sikhtimes.com

Flames in Punjab

By STAFF

Time, Mar. 25, 1966

For a change, there were no major food riots in India last week. Instead, something potentially more worrisome than hunger exploded into violence: communal riots, the ugly outbreak of fighting between groups of different religions or languages that has all too often bloodied the nation. By week's end, 14 persons had been killed, 500 injured and nearly 1,500 jailed as Sikhs and Hindus, who hitherto had lived together in relative peace, fought in the streets of Delhi and in scores of towns in the state of Punjab. Cried a Hindu nationalist leader: 'All Punjab is on fire.'

Separatist Sikhs

The flame was lit a fortnight ago when the powerful Working Committee of the Congress Party caved in to the demands of India's 7,000,000 Sikhs for the creation of a Punjabi-speaking state in the western half of the present state of Punjab (see map). In the past, the demand for Punjabi Suba had been repeatedly rejected by the Congress Party on the grounds that it would establish a state on essentially religious grounds, something that India's constitution prohibits. Not so, argued the Sikhs, who claimed it was a matter of language. They are the only one of India's 14 major linguistic groups that has not been granted a separate state. Sikh leader Sant Fateh Singh, 54, threatened to go on a 15-day fast climaxed by self-immolation unless the demand was met. Anxious to avoid violence, the Working Committee, of which Prime Minister Indira Gandhi is a member, at last committed the federal government to formation of a Punjabi-speaking state.

Violence came anyhow - from the Hindi-speaking Hindus who would form a minority in the new state. Protesting partition of Punjab, Yagya Dutt Sharma, 47, a leader of the militantly orthodox Jana Sangh Party, began a fast of his own in the marketplace of Amritsar. Refusing any sustenance except a few daily glassfuls of Gangajal-water from the Ganges - Sharma quickly lost 15 Ibs. in the first week, soon was unable to sit up.

Drawn Swords

Meanwhile, thousands of other Hindus carried their protests to the streets. Chanting 'Punjabi Suba Murdabad!' (Death to the [sikh] state of Punjab!) and 'Indira Gandhi Murdabad!' (Death to Indira Gandhi!), the mobs attacked government property and set fire to Sikh shops, causing uncounted damage. In the town of Panipat, 55 miles north of Delhi, a local Congress Party worker and two other men were burned alive when Hindu rioters set fire to the cycle shop in which they were trapped. In the old city of Delhi, turbaned guards at the main Sikh temple impassively shrugged off insults and ducked stones until the harassment by a mob of 2,000 Hindus became unbearable. Then, drawing their curved swords and yelling war cries, the Sikh guards charged the mob, wounding many Hindus.

The communal rioting was of deep concern to Indira Gandhi, who only the week before had returned from an inspection trip of other trouble spots: West Bengal, where food riots had raged for three weeks, and Assam, where the 260,000 Mizo hill people staged a bitter, bloody 'war of independence' before Indian troops moved in to put down their revolt. The spate of domestic troubles complicated preparations for her trip to Washington next week. There she would have long discussions with Lyndon Johnson, and en route she would stop in Paris for talks with French officials. 'How can I say India is a great country and meet foreign leaders when violence and discord have fouled the atmosphere?' she urged the Indian people. 'This is no time to tarnish the image of our country.'

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So, Indira created the Punjabi Suba?

Koi Sion,

Kithe gaya tuuuu? You have not responded to the video of Simranjit Singh Mann

Sorry, been extremely busy. Thanks for putting up the video.

Only had a chance to hear the first few seconds, where he says that Master Tara Singh made the comment in question.

I thought you said Simranjit Singh Mann made it? Anyway, I'll take a look at the video fully and get back to you

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