amar_jkp Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Another cause of 1857 is the mindset of myth vs history and hagiography vs biography and romanticism vs factual analysis which effected how different people saw events in 1857. Indians saw myth as truth and real historical persons as heros or villains just as they saw history as only a myth everyone wanted to be true. History as facts, exposes, feet of clay, flaws, failures, the gritty warts and all reality unvarnished was horrifying and even today is unacceptable and disrespectful. Indians want to worship and adore, not doubt and question. They wanted their heroes to be without flaw or warts or failures like demigods. They want history to be a Bollywood movie musical. Mangal Pandey cannot be a drugged sepoy rebelling because he was an arrogant but illiterate Brahmin scared by events. he cannot be seen as insulted by a Dalit pissed off by his arrogance who finally snarled back at last, displaying shocking disrespect toward his divine master, like an uppity person instead of a religious leper, finally demanding respect from a Brahmin who believed he was born entitled to loath every caste but his own. Pandey can only be a shining demigod who must look like a Bollywood movie star. General Hearsay cannot be seen as weeping as he pleaded with the sepoys he loved. General Hearsay must be an evil and corrupt Brit blundering his way into shocking disrespect of the sepoys. The Rani of Jhansi can only be Joan of Arc and not an Indian Mary Queen of Scots gambling recklessly as events careen out of control over which she had no real power to control. Nana Sahib cannot be a stooge who blessed 1857 because the British refused him a million pound a year stipend. Dalhousie can only be an evil schemer and not a stubborn Scot sure of his economics. The EIC was a blood sucking vampire and the Great Divergence had absolutely nothing to do with India’s stagnation between 1500 and 1857. It is a fundamentally different mindset than the British who obsessed with statistical graphs and nitpicked facts as if a dissection. Even today 1857 sepoys must be seen like some Bollywood movie star instead of the way they probably really were. Check the real vs Bollywood. In the same way Che must be air brushed and not pointing a gun at someone to blow them away. Obama cannot smoke and the Kennedys must be demigods. ‘Dear Leader’ is a towering bronze and not five foot five. The evil Loyalists who fiendishly blew noble sepoys away by cannon were all British in shiny red 1880 tunics and 1880 tropic white helmets. Instead, 3/4’s of the Loyalists in 1857 were actually native Indians in khaki and Mughals invented blowing from cannon. Barely over a 100 sepoys were blown away in total and never in a heroic line of 50 martyrs at a time. Shivaji must be King Arthur of India and not warty Cromwell who in fact he paralleled. In 1857 the Brahmin sepoys and Muslims saw history through rosy whitewash and therefore could negate history and see the British entirely as fiends deserving to be ‘chopped up like radishes’. Their world was black and white, good and bad, simple, pure, reassuring, and utterly deceiving. Don’t let facts get in the way of a spiel they so desperately wanted to believe and of course they absolutely believed the blood libels….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Its you kidding Bahman ,take your propaganda somewhere else. Easy there my farmer friend. You see sikhism was handed to yourself by default and it happened because the last Guru died before his time along with his family. And now it's starting to show. The marvelous thought in the Shri Guru Granth Sahib is the work of Khatris and Bamans. Everybody with half a brain knows how the Rajputs were brought into Hinduism. And the Sikh gurus were well aware of this story because they traveled extensively in Rajasthan. About 1000 years ago or perhaps more the barbarian hordes were taken to Mt. Abu in Rajasthan and baptized into Hinduism, and given the Khanda, Singh surname, specific dress (kesariya bana) trained in shastar vidya and told to defend dharma which they did. There is no other group from ancient times to the modern indian and pakistani army that has perhaps done more to defend their motherland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) have you never read about the lodis, the mughals and the turks being defeated SEVERAL times in history? like seriously you need to stop reading the congress version of indian history So they were defeated. What happened? They came back again and then won. They still won, no matter how many times they were defeated. That is the key point. The Sikhs managed to win one or two battles with the poorbia soldiers and their british masters, but in the end the Sikhs still lost thier empire, so such battles were of little consequence except to be held in folklore as examples of bravery and sacrifice. heres more history for you pieces of shit khalistani losers PANCHODA! sidhu brar dhaliwal jatts are all their sons! aya bada khalistani sala mayee yava. 6) read about bhai khan marrals letter to jaipur rajputs..... rajputs have pashtun tribals of khyber and FATA under their lordship.... you stupid insolent loser. 18) also you seem to have ignored the other comments i made eh LMAO SALA DARPOK CHOORA PANCHOD. whats your pind name and your family name.. ill find out your familys so called bravery asap and then well see how you attack other peoples bravery you coward when your ass is healed from this historical rape of your lies and khalistani propaganda come back for more. anyone else beginning to like this guy? Many Kachwahas were trampeled by elephants by the Mughals because they refused to Convert to Islam, this is a fact. sikhs are modelled upon the rajput kshatriyas and this is a fact. many of our punjabi tribes are actually descended from rajputs, ask any buddha about this and hell tell you and theyll probably even tell you about marriages with bedi rites and ashes put into the ganga... and speaking of Ganga i hope you remember our Mata, Mata Ganga Ji. These Kachawahas were indeed, if what you say is true, remarkable warriors for their steadfastness. The "Rajput" aspect of Sikhs is only a part of it. We are not modelled on Rajput/warrior aspects alone. dont forget about hemu who defeated afghans and mughals 22 times in a row either, btw he was a brahmin. What of consequence did these victories bring? The moghals still took over. Khusro Khan or Sultan Nasiruddin is remembered for his policy of religious tolerance and liberal administrative policies. He is known to have advocated a more respectful attitude towards women and a more benignant treatment of slaves. So, through his own life or through his policies, Khusro Khan, the once Delhi Sultan, consolidated the position of the third sex in the society, and showed the world that people, who are neither male, nor female, are still humans, with a feeling, beating heart and a functioning brain that, when harnessed and channeled well can wield a sword and a scepter and rule a nation with equanimity and respect for civil liberties. He could have ended slavery yes? Would that have not made him a more amazing person than he already was? These poor people of the 3rd gender, already afflicted from birth or forced castrations meaning they will never have children, already had a disadvantaged life as it is, without being slaves, and then having their masters say "thanks" after having sex with them. Edited September 13, 2014 by chatanga1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 you will realize that sikhs ran to the hills dozens of times to avoid fighting foreign invaders... True, but it wasn't cowardice that drove them to the hills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Everybody with half a brain knows how the Rajputs were brought into Hinduism. And the Sikh gurus were well aware of this story because they traveled extensively in Rajasthan. About 1000 years ago or perhaps more the barbarian hordes were taken to Mt. Abu in Rajasthan and baptized into Hinduism, and given the Khanda, Singh surname, specific dress (kesariya bana) trained in shastar vidya and told to defend dharma which they did. There is no other group from ancient times to the modern indian and pakistani army that has perhaps done more to defend their motherland. You know all this information but don't know about this ? : You see sikhism was handed to yourself by default and it happened because the last Guru died before his time along with his family. What a ridiculous thing to say for anyone, but a normal thing to say for a hindustani. For all your knowledge about the rajputs, i'm surprised you know so little about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Mangal Pandey cannot be a drugged sepoy rebelling because he was an arrogant but illiterate Brahmin scared by events arrogant but illiterate? Reminds me of a certain "king of the jungle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amar_jkp Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Easy there my farmer friend. You see sikhism was handed to yourself by default and it happened because the last Guru died before his time along with his family. And now it's starting to show. The marvelous thought in the Shri Guru Granth Sahib is the work of Khatris and Bamans. Everybody with half a brain knows how the Rajputs were brought into Hinduism. And the Sikh gurus were well aware of this story because they traveled extensively in Rajasthan. About 1000 years ago or perhaps more the barbarian hordes were taken to Mt. Abu in Rajasthan and baptized into Hinduism, and given the Khanda, Singh surname, specific dress (kesariya bana) trained in shastar vidya and told to defend dharma which they did. There is no other group from ancient times to the modern indian and pakistani army that has perhaps done more to defend their motherland. There is Baani of Dhana Jatt and Bhagat Namdev is also there but you want to see Bahman and Khatris . In Punjab Bahmans are halwais they cook food in our marriages and Khatris are shoopkeepers we called them Lala g . Both are good in making money by hook or by crook . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 what consequence were the victories? buddy if you want to look at the end goals only then stop glorifying ranjit singh and bhindranwale too because in the end they all lost.... its the means not the end.. and if you had a brain you would know that rajputs have ruled until 1947 albeit according to tribal lines. disunity is a blessing and a curse on rajputs but to say that their sacrifices which outnumber and out glorify all of sikh accomplishments put together, is nothing but jealousy and this jealousy is well noted by british documents as well. rajputs have sacrificed more lives than marathas sikhs combined as they have been fighting for 700 years before guru nanak...that simple fact alone should suht you up, and my 30+ points all show how rajputs have held their regions until indira gandhi and her father gave land to maroosis aka jatts nd sikhs and others. in punjab rajputs have ruled over sikhs as well at the pind and district levels. indira gandhi gave land to jatt maroosis of hundreds of villages in punjab.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 this guys talking about money by hook or crook LMAO have you ever seen sikhs in brampton???? or bc? their all corrupt cheap foolish coward losers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 i see jatts begging for overtime everyday and never spending a penny... your marriages are so shit its embarrassing. cant even distribute proper ladoos. hard as rocks. act like some big sardars for owning 100 acres (which is rare) but rajputs who owned over 10,000 villages across india make you cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 one bhagat singh kills like 2-3 people and does a robbery is all of a sudden a greater martyr than those who have killed generals... more than all sikh history combined... yet they didnt fight... your all dum pieces of shit. this is why you will never amount to anything in history ever again. jats are the downfall of sikhi and this black white bullshit nonsense narrative is bringing sikhis influence into the dirt... with the logic presented in this pathetic forum of fudu khalistani sheep cowards, every sacrifice means nothing unless it gets fruit... reminds me of the maratha policy of fighting to win... starkly in contrast to rajput ethos of living through death and fighting for a point of honor regardless of end result. because if you die fighting then you never lost in the first place and you die a free man. anyways with the likes of losers like yourselves, its not surprising that akal takht and all gurdwaras in INDIA put money into the pockets of a few individuals... and then you come here talking about bhindranwale.... like buddy there should not even be homeless people in india because of all the money religious places in india make.. wheres your victory? wheres bhindranwale ideals? you slander people who outnumber you in feats of bravery by the hundreds and you think that will somehow increase your respect? what a admin cut joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Now you're all going into phudhu territory; "we was/are the ones who spend the most money at wedding, bruaaaah!" "My dhadha was braver than your dhadha!! Na na na naaaaaah naaaaa!" Just because your purdhadhay were big time, doesn't mean you are. Bring the discussion up people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amar_jkp Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 one bhagat singh kills like 2-3 people and does a robbery is all of a sudden a greater martyr than those who have killed generals... more than all sikh history combined... yet they didnt fight... your all dum pieces of shit. this is why you will never amount to anything in history ever again. jats are the downfall of sikhi and this black white bullshit nonsense narrative is bringing sikhis influence into the dirt... with the logic presented in this pathetic forum of fudu khalistani sheep cowards, every sacrifice means nothing unless it gets fruit... reminds me of the maratha policy of fighting to win... starkly in contrast to rajput ethos of living through death and fighting for a point of honor regardless of end result. because if you die fighting then you never lost in the first place and you die a free man. anyways with the likes of losers like yourselves, its not surprising that akal takht and all gurdwaras in INDIA put money into the pockets of a few individuals... and then you come here talking about bhindranwale.... like buddy there should not even be homeless people in india because of all the money religious places in india make.. wheres your victory? wheres bhindranwale ideals? you slander people who outnumber you in feats of bravery by the hundreds and you think that will somehow increase your respect? what a admin cut joke. Read my articles on Rajputs and shut up . What they did ? Dis their contibution end up anything ? There are large number of Rajput who become Muslims ? Pakistani Punjab is full of Muslim Rajputs . Fudu Bahman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amar_jkp Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 this guys talking about money by hook or crook LMAO have you ever seen sikhs in brampton???? or bc? their all corrupt cheap foolish coward losers.... Sikhs are doing better then u Hindu Rajputs . Jinki maari sab ne ma ke Ch............... Unko kehte hai Rajput Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amar_jkp Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 this guys talking about money by hook or crook LMAO have you ever seen sikhs in brampton???? or bc? their all corrupt cheap foolish coward losers.... Even in Rajasthan Hindu Jaat and Jatt Sikhs are doing better then Rajputs . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 yea thanks to your patrons nehru and indira gandhi you stupid loser... your article on rajput history only highlights our divisions and the anarchy that prevailed.... doesnt change the fact that rajputs outnumber sikh feats of bravery by the tons.... rajputs have been fighting 700 years before sikhi started.... so.... what are you really talking about? you complaint about sikh political economy but you dont see how the congress wanted to finish rajputs? rajputs ruled most of india until 1947... their disunity allowed for an external force to become a ruler at the top but not at the bottom.. your a shameless loser. i have listed over 30+ stories already that put all baseless sikh claims in the dirt.for gods sake the marathas accomplished more than sikhs too and their policy was to fight to win.. you losers are ignorant. 12,000 vs 80,000..... like really.... sher shah suri barely won and almost lost his whole empire.. the events listed above kill the khalistani narrative. anyways your a phudu banda.. guru nanakji went thru nothing compared to bappa rawal and rana sanga and the rajput kings who have been fighting for 700 years bfore your existence and then thousands became sikhs and fought again... 700 years of fighting with over 50,000 shaheed women and more victories over afghans than all of sikh history combined... just the katoch clan (who also defeated ranjit - the siba branch) defeated mughals 52 times...thats more battles that sikhs have participated in throughout their whole history....why are u even alive, kuch kha dub kay marja sharam naal panchoda. numbers dont lie and sikhs numbers are petty in comparison.. 1. pagri 2. beard 3. khanda 4. jhatka 5. chandi di vaar 6. bana 7. shastar vidya 8. kshatriya 9. singh who are you until 500 years ago.... sikhs are a copy of rajput kshatriyas.... unless you think all the aforementioned articles of identity also came from the skies.. your battles are petty..your talking about what these battles achieved? like buddy are you blind? you cant see that rajputs held power and sway over india for over a millenium? internal feuds were abundant and they still outnumber sikh sacrifices and victories by the thousands and dozens, respectively. 30+ stories and all of them make sikhs humble but you ignorant lot are so shameless its embarrassing. sikhs couldnt even hold punjab bro and your talking about people who hold controlled half the country? the marathas and rajputs history of war is immensely greater than all of sikh history combined... so when you combine rajput maratha history the sikh battles pale in comparison.. go count and come back... rajput women have died i the thousands alone.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 you got some lalu panju like sukha jinda and you think your cool? rajputs killed more generals than 10 udham singhs and 10 sukha jindas... bhattis ruled punjab and so did pathanias until very recently... and each one of them fought mughals... you seriously need to read about hegemony.. you stupid low caste rats trying to be rajput kshatriyas... your whole identity is a blatant and shameless theft of rajput ethos, sharam naal marjo panchodo. indira tay nehru nay tuwano jameenay walay banaya panchod maroosi salay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 havent you heard about the jatt who got hacked into pieces by 4 rajput brothers for marrying their sister? have you heard about khadkus getting shot in jadla pind by rajputs and running away like little girls? have you heard about rajputs of jadla saving sikhs form beanta because jatt mothers came begging for mercy? pathanias defeated mughals more than sikhs and did more conquering than ranjit.... what world do you live in you choora? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 i hate the rss and its funny how they saved sikhs in delhi... like come on.. 100 years from now, your grandkids will also say kejriwal did nothing and the millions of supporters around india did nothing and compare him to gandhi.. you brag about being garam dal.. btu the two koms who make us look pale are ignored by all your pseudo scholars who cant even read english like the fudu tattooo in the video you posted.. 800 years... buddy 800 years of rajputs fighting and each clan attaining more shaheedi and victories and ruling for hundreds of years outnumbering the ephemeral sikh history like a mountains shade on an ant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 why do you talk shit about bahmans so much when more bahmans died in chandni chowk than any fudu ass loser jatt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amar_jkp Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Both Raja Jai Singh of Jaipur and Jaswant Singh of Jodhpur spent their life in service of Aurangzeb. In fact, they both died (at different times) fighting on behalf of Aurangzeb. It was Raja Jai Singh who essentially arrested Shivaji (though it was a sort of forced agreement) and brought him to the Mogul court to be humiliated. Ajit Singh (Son of Jaswant Singh) was portrayed as saviour of Hindu religion. But he married his daughter to one of the weakest Mogul emperors, Farouq Siyar, who was totally controlled by Sayyad brothers and finally murdered by them in the most brutal fashion. In the third battle of Panipat, where the Maratha General Sadashiv Rao Bhau, assembled a huge army (mostly Hindus but few Muslims too) including 25,000 Jats against Ahmad Shah Abdali, there was not a single Rajput supporting Sadashiv Rao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 what consequence were the victories? buddy if you want to look at the end goals only then stop glorifying ranjit singh and bhindranwale too because in the end they all lost.... its the means not the end.. and if you had a brain you would know that rajputs have ruled until 1947 albeit according to tribal lines. disunity is a blessing and a curse on rajputs but to say that their sacrifices which outnumber and out glorify all of sikh accomplishments put together, is nothing but jealousy and this jealousy is well noted by british documents as well. rajputs have sacrificed more lives than marathas sikhs combined as they have been fighting for 700 years before guru nanak...that simple fact alone should suht you up, and my 30+ points all show how rajputs have held their regions until indira gandhi and her father gave land to maroosis aka jatts nd sikhs and others. in punjab rajputs have ruled over sikhs as well at the pind and district levels. indira gandhi gave land to jatt maroosis of hundreds of villages in punjab.. Actually buddy, Maharaja Ranjit Singh lost and won battles but never lost his Kingdom. And as for ruling until 1947, it was so so apparent wasn't it, this "rule" of the Rajputs. I was inclined to look into your claims of Rajputs in Panjab, but seeing as you feel that nehru and indira actually helped the Sikhs over anything, I'll take a rain-check on that. There's obviously something you're hiding. Read my articles on Rajputs and shut up . What they did ? Dis their contibution end up anything ? There are large number of Rajput who become Muslims ? Pakistani Punjab is full of Muslim Rajputs . Fudu Bahman East Panjab towards NawanShehr in 1947 had many villages of Rajput Muslims, with some Hindu Rajputs, staunchly Rajput, who state "they never allowed a non-Rajput to ride a horse throughout their villages". Guess what happened to these people after partition? i have listed over 30+ stories already You could list an endless amount, but as long as there is no truth in them, what does it matter? you stupid low caste rats trying to be rajput kshatriyas... I think you'll find that it was us low-caste rats that called on you high cast warriors to join us and overthrow the tyrants ruling delhi. guess which side the warriors of hindustan sided with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 jai singh actually rebelled against aurabzeb with mewar and he was the one who helped shivaji escape... stupid loser...and the rajputs of nawanshahr... have you heard about rana roop singh whos sons shot up dilbag singhs relatives whole village? or about rana jaipal who robbed banks with khadkus and shot them up because they got greedy and tried to swindle the ranas share of loot? i never said rajputs helped marathas, they fought each other several occasions. and the women that rajputs gave in marriage were the daugters of their mistresses... just like the daughters the katoch king gave to ranjit, they went sati at his pyre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 rajputs never lost their kingdoms.... the ruling families are still alive although their not like their ancestors. its a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungChamkaur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 in jadla there were two prominent rajput families.. one who made jatts take their pagris off and then one who would fight for the honor of the jatt peasant.. these two families never got along with each other.. the babbar akalis had a meeting in jadla as wel and rana gandhaba singh helped the akalis plot robberies of lalas and participated himself and was a baagi rajpoot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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