Mutiny Of 1857: The Search For Truth

[JungChamkaur]

another rana sehdev singh beheaded two jatt sikh cops in a jatt sikh village as the whole pind got together to oppress him as he had very little land holding. but a sher is a sher because of quality not because of material wealth.

[chatanga1]

800 years... buddy 800 years of rajputs fighting and each clan attaining more shaheedi and victories and ruling for hundreds of years outnumbering the ephemeral sikh history like a mountains shade on an ant.

hmmm, 800 years of humilaition and ass-whoopings. 800 years of giving daughters and sisters to the moghals just to live for one more day. what is it with you and this 800 years of never-ending glory?

You are right in one aspect, that the resistance to the moghals before Sikhi, was bigger than we understand it to be so, but please, don't try and mislead us into thinking it was some kind of golden period for the rajput resistance or defence of india. The fact is that side by side with all the Rajput sacrifice and valour, was cowardice of the worst kind(giving your females to them) alongside subservience(fighting under them).

why do you talk shit about bahmans so much when more bahmans died in chandni chowk than any fudu ass loser jatt?

prolly cus you keep bringing jats up, buddy. No-one should be making any kind of caste aspersions when it comes to Sikh history, but you seem to make it a central theme to any post you inflict on us here.

Both Raja Jai Singh of Jaipur and Jaswant Singh of Jodhpur spent their life in service of Aurangzeb. In fact, they both died (at different times) fighting on behalf of Aurangzeb.

It was Raja Jai Singh who essentially arrested Shivaji (though it was a sort of forced agreement) and brought him to the Mogul court to be humiliated.

Ajit Singh (Son of Jaswant Singh) was portrayed as saviour of Hindu religion. But he married his daughter to one of the weakest Mogul emperors, Farouq Siyar, who was totally controlled by Sayyad brothers and finally murdered by them in the most brutal fashion.

In the third battle of Panipat, where the Maratha General Sadashiv Rao Bhau, assembled a huge army (mostly Hindus but few Muslims too) including 25,000 Jats against Ahmad Shah Abdali, there was not a single Rajput supporting Sadashiv Rao.

So sad.

[JungChamkaur]

you want to say theres no truth to the events? are u fcking kiding me? you would rather read rss and congress versions of histoy of course...

[JungChamkaur]

the daughters of rakayls are often given to others for their harem and the same are often... i dont understand this but its true. regardless.... the rajputs were disunited and this caused a mughal overhead.. but everytime this mughal overhead tried to impede the rule of a tribe within its boundaries, the rajputs gave them a fight history would remember...

[JungChamkaur]

the subservience is also found in sikh history.... its not subservience its politics of feudalism... sikhs have been paid mercenaries for jats in rajasthan...

[JungChamkaur]

jagat singh pathania conquered kabul kandahar and upto uzbekistan and defeated persians... the kachwahas defeated the pathans many times as well and the events i have listed should make you realize that the dark age of india was due to rajput disunity but the sacrifices they made ensured indian survival. rajputs were sovereign in their kingdoms. thre were times where mughals tried to interfere and RULE over them and this led to rebellions like those of durga das rathore. amar singh rathore made aurangzeb run into the zenana and hide behind women.

Edited September 13, 2014 by JungChamkaur

[chatanga1]

.and the rajputs of nawanshahr... have you heard about rana roop singh whos sons shot up dilbag singhs relatives whole village? or about rana jaipal who robbed banks with khadkus and shot them up because they got greedy and tried to swindle the ranas share of loot?

i havent heard of either of them, but it doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things does it?

and the women that rajputs gave in marriage were the daugters of their mistresses... just like the daughters the katoch king gave to ranjit, they went sati at his pyre.

Good God, how heartless and devoid of feeling are you? You pass off this heinous act with such flippant regard!

in jadla there were two prominent rajput families.. one who made jatts take their pagris off

I don't believe this for a second. It seems like another one of your lofty tales.

[JungChamkaur]

you dont have to believe it. you dont even want to believe historical events that changed historys course... anyways the tyrannical family had to leave jadla.. the other family was the same one who saved sikhs from beanta and the same one who killed the muslim rana of rahon (of the same clan) and the sikh "jagirdar" who tried to take over jadla and surrounding villages from the rajputs there with the help of sikh/hindu doad rajputs of garhi mansowal. the same family helped rana jaipal against khadkus and rana roop singh against dilbag singhs group.

[JungChamkaur]

the sikh fort is in ruins today and was occupied by rana mangal singh. the neighboring villages were all maroosi sikh jatts of the rajputs of nawanshahr area. and like all koms, the people who stop living like their ancestors, witness their downfall. and about the heinous acts, i dont support giving daughters and i have a hard time understanding why they would give away their illegitimate progeny with such disregard.. probably because those women were not full blooded rajpoots and giving a bastard child a life in a palace is probably the only house she can wedded into if any at all. im not sure.. i don understand this phenomenon.

Edited September 13, 2014 by JungChamkaur

[chatanga1]

you want to say theres no truth to the events? are u fcking kiding me? you would rather read rss and congress versions of histoy of course...

No Sir, I would rather read something that wasn't written by someone who has an somewhat dubious slant on the recalling of history.

the daughters of rakayls are often given to others for their harem and the same are often.

They are still humans !! remmeber the Khusro Khan post?

but everytime this mughal overhead tried to impede the rule of a tribe within its boundaries, the rajputs gave them a fight history would remember...

...and then the sisters/daughters of these rajputs would give the moghals a night to remember.

jagat singh pathania conquered kabul kandahar and upto uzbekistan and defeated persians...

All of these areas originally belonged to the HIndus anyway. SO if they conquered their once homeland, they still ended up losing it anyway. Which meant they thrown out of their own home twice.

[JungChamkaur]

well the pashtuns are the organic people of those regions, they have always been there, no one can force them to become budhist or hindu again. and the "rajput women" thing is funny because the kings had no regard for their illegitimate progeny... if you have mistresses who get pregnant what do you do? kill the child or try to find a groom... anyways to be a rajput both parents have to be rajput... this is why many hindu rajputs dont intermarry with sikh rajputs or consider them to be rajputs because their wives were jatt.

Edited September 13, 2014 by JungChamkaur

[JungChamkaur]

and since your tlaking about taking back ancestral lands, why dont you take back kasur and lahore then... like seriously have some shame and logic.

[JungChamkaur]

anyways im not the one telling the stories ii made a list of.. you can find these in british history since you love them so much.... rajputs fought invaders more than anyone in all of indias history... a maximum of 5 mughal marriages didnt stop the rajput "relatives" from rebelling and murdering mughals... its called being baagi.

[JungChamkaur]

you should really look into mian dido's ass whooping of ranjits army over ten times and the sibas kicked ranjits army out of their lands in himachal.

[amar_jkp]

The Doubtful “Bravery of Rajputs” during the Mughal Era

The exchange of Rajput Princesses into the Mughal Harems (as a barter against their lost privileges) only highlights Rajputs as cowards and not as brave!

Predominantly belonging to three lineages – Suryavanshi (Solar Race), Chandravanshi (Lunar Race) and Agnivanshi (Fire Race) – Rajputs, are a kshatriya clan of indigenous India known for their bravery and courage through ages. Over the times, they have nurtured a warlike and military personality. However, the same warriors who carried the genes of might, power and valor were defeated by the Mughal invaders consistently, no matter how much they tried. This was then compensated by giving their sister’s and daughter’s hand to the Muslims rulers as a Quid Pro Quo – Exchange to retain their lost privileges.

Brave enough, why did they trade the lives of their own women to get back their pride and honor? Why did they sacrificed the Rajput women into the Mughal harem, doesn’t this act makes them cowards and rip off from the bravery tag? Well, time to have a fresh look at the “bravery of Rajputs” during the Mughal Era -

When Muslim rulers tried to invade the territories of India, be it the Delhi Sultans or the Mughals – the Rajputs, the fiery Indian warriors in spite of showing enormous valor, always ended up in the losing end. Whether it was the defeat of Prithvi Raj Chauhan against Mohammad Ghori in the battle of Tarain or the attacks of Akbar against Rana Sangha, the Rajputs were always crushed by the Muslim invaders. Makes one wonder – “Did all these defeat played a vital role in altering their psyche in taking drastic steps to retain their prestige, privilege and power or was their fall of power also the fall of their pride?”As we all know, the Rajputs during the Muslim era traded their sisters and daughter to re-establish their provinces which they lost in the battlefield.

[amar_jkp]

The marriage of Hira Kunwari, daughter of King Bharmal of Amer province (Jaipur) with Akbar is one such example. It was an historical alliance between the two drastically opposite communities and after this marriage soon the trend followed with many Rajput Kings and chieftains giving the hand of Rajput princess to the Mughals as wife or concubine. These princesses then became one of the several wives or one of the hundred concubines of the emperor and lived a life in Purdah as well as seclusion until their death. I see, for the sake of their happiness, the life of the women fraternity was sacrificed, did it really make the then Rajputs brave or was it an act of total cowardice?

Rajput are the kshatriyas and well-known over the ages for their sense of dignity, pride and act of heroism. However, if the Rajputs were so brave and full of self-esteem, why then they traded the poor princess to these lusty rulers and sex starved men? Why they forgot their age old culture of self-respect, dignity and admiration towards women in lust of the jagirs they lost?

Instead of trading women they should have joined hands together to fight the Mughal troops. But no, they never came together and continued to fight amongst themselves for their petty lands. Lord Rama was a kshtraiya too and from the Suryavanshi lineage just like them. However, he for his lady had gone extremes to fight one of the most intelligent and powerful man of his era. I wonder, what might be his plight when he would have witnessed from the heaven that the Rajputs out of their own cowardice/greed ushered their daughters into the Muslim harems? No wonder, this was the darkest phase in the history of Rajputs till today.

However, even during this time, there were two Rajputs who always remained against it. One was the Hadas of Rathambore and the other, the Sisodiyas of Mewar. Besides, who can forget the brave Maharana Pratap who fought bravely till his last breath?

Still, there were majority of the Rajputs that followed the trend of sending the Rajput Princesses into the Muslim harems who after going there became nothing more than an object of desire for the Muslim rulers. This makes me wonder did greed take over their sense of consideration towards their own daughters and sisters?

[chatanga1]

i have a hard time understanding why they would give away their illegitimate progeny with such disregard.. probably because those women were not full blooded rajpoots and giving a bastard child a life in a palace is probably the only house she can wedded into if any at all. im not sure.. i don understand this phenomenon.

This "illegiitimate" and "bastard" is a euro-christian construct. No such titles were levelled on hindus/indians in those days. If the women were not full-blooded rajputs, then surely the rajputs contaminated their penises when having sex with them, yes? So if the father is contaminated, surely he has no conceivable authority to place judgement on the child that would be born of such action.

if you have mistresses who get pregnant what do you do? kill the child or try to find a groom... anyways to be a rajput both parents have to be rajput...

So why be so incredibly unfair and take non-rajput mistresses? You are confining them to a certai hell, nevermind the unfortunate offspring of such union. So un-noble.

and since your tlaking about taking back ancestral lands, why dont you take back kasur and lahore then... like seriously have some shame and logic.

Kasur and Lahore belong to all panjabis, not to Sikhs or any other religion.

anyways im not the one telling the stories ii made a list of.. you can find these in british history since you love them so much....

and there it is. "british" history. did'nt you brag recently about having a degree?

you should really look into mian dido's ass whooping of ranjits army over ten times and the sibas kicked ranjits army out of their lands in himachal.

No thanks, if it's anything like the drivel that ruined my saturday evening, i'll give it a miss.

[amar_jkp]

Rajput invite and aid Ahmed Shah Abdali- 1761 AD

The raids of Abdalli into India around 1750 Ad are well known to
every child in India. His atrocities, the want destruction need no
retelling. The defeat of the Maharattas and the Jats in the 3rd
battle of Panipat is said to be the turning point for the decline of
the Maharatta power in India, and the rise of the British power.
What is not so commonly known is the role of the Rajput of Rajastan;
that the Rajput states wee conniving with Abdalli , two years prior to
the battle of Panipat in 1761, and had invited Abdalli into India.
Many have wondered why the Rajputs stayed aloof from these battles,
which could have got rid of the foreign invaders. Or why they stood
shoulder to shoulder with the Rohilla Mulsims.
The reasons though distasteful, are clear, they were instrumental in
actively aiding Abdalli, as they had the Muslim invaders in the past.

[amar_jkp]

In 1759 A.D. it seemed that the Marathas had reached their goal of
All-India supremacy. But they were not destined to attain it as their
enemies were already active (38) against them.

Madhaosing had sent Har Jasrao to Taimur Shah and through him
established his contacts with Abdali in December 1759 A.D. The Shah
now informed him that taking advantage of his absence in Iran, where
he had led his forces, the Marathas had thrown the whole of Hindusthan
into disorder and hence he was forced to turn his attention to Hindusthan.

The Shah asked Madhaosing (of Jaipur) to join hands with Vijaysing
and stop the passages of the Marathas towards Deccan and to keep him
informed of everything. He was assured that, "Najibuddaula has
impressed me of your sincerity, fidelity and devotion and God willing,
you will attain pre-eminence and distinction greater than the days of
preceding sovereigns of Hindusthan."

Thus Madhaosing (39) began his active participation in the designs of
Najib Khan and Abdali, for the downfall of the Marathas, and it
continued throughout till the object was achieved on the fatal field
of Panipat, in 1761 A.D.

For that, Madhaosing was kept well informed by Abdali and Najib Khan
of all the developments during 1759 to 1761 A.D. and in return he kept
the Durani fully acquainted with what was happening on his side. He
was praised for his fidelity, encouraged over his successes and
contantly asked to repel the Marathas from his dominion. For that he
was asked to stop the ways and passages to the South, to be in close
contact with Vijaysing and to cooperate fully in wiping out the traces
of the Marathas from the North to prevent the possibility for them of
raising their heads again.

[amar_jkp]

Madhaosing was equally a firm ally of Rahilla-Pathans. He sent the
copy of the letter sent by him to Pant Pradhan, to the Durani Chief
for his knowledge, engaged Malharrao in Jaypur territory when his help
was badly needed by Dattaji in December 1760 A.D. rejected the
overtures of Gaziuddin and Jankoji Shinde and also the friendly had of
the Peshwa (40), and did everything to promote the Durani cause
excepting the actual participation against the Marathas.

The last act he did not do only because he was not sure of Abdali's
disposition ("If only his promise of safety could be relied upon, the
Rajputs would certaily wait upon him" Badrinath, son of Keshwada)
when finally the plan succeeded at Panipat, Abdali himself in a long
letter informed Madhaosing about his victory over the Marathas.

Vijaysing also was equally in sympathy with Abdali (41).

The Marathas were ignorant of these activities till last. They
realized of the conspiracy against them when Abdali dashed into Punjab
driving away Sabaji Shinde from Punjab and when the latter arrieved
with his wornout soldiers in Doab in 1759, November A.D. Govind Ballal
wrote from Ganga in Nowad conspired for the last two years to bring
Abdali once more to uproot the Maratha rule (in the North). Thus the
secret correspondence continued. Vakils were active in their
reciprocal visits. We had no knowledge of all this till now we
(recently) knew of it, when everything was clear

[JungChamkaur]

the doubtful bravery article is actually not credible at all.. its part of the congress history that wants to eradicate all events of indian history portraying resistance.. and marathas fought rajputs on several occasions... lost many times to rajputs as well... also the whole impure shit your talking about... this has nothing to do with brits... this is how rajputs are... the parents both have to be rajput, even if you want to adopt a child to carry on your lineage he has to be of full blood rajput stock. rajputs were never crushed.. chauhan killed ghori and his son carried on the struggle against afghans as mentioned in my previous posts... if you read congress/rss history then surely india will look like a sad losing nation.. its the same policy towards sikhs as rajputs and marathas... destroy history of resistance and make them all westernized, this is why 99% punjabi songs are about being western and white... its the same process. indigenous history is suppressed. do the math yourself and look at how many rajputs have fought invaders and how many have retained kingdoms for how long and their sizes and you will see how pathetic ranjit singhs raj really is.

[Amandeep Hindustani]

Both Raja Jai Singh of Jaipur and Jaswant Singh of Jodhpur spent their life in service of Aurangzeb. In fact, they both died (at different times) fighting on behalf of Aurangzeb.

It was Raja Jai Singh who essentially arrested Shivaji (though it was a sort of forced agreement) and brought him to the Mogul court to be humiliated.

Ajit Singh (Son of Jaswant Singh) was portrayed as saviour of Hindu religion. But he married his daughter to one of the weakest Mogul emperors, Farouq Siyar, who was totally controlled by Sayyad brothers and finally murdered by them in the most brutal fashion.

In the third battle of Panipat, where the Maratha General Sadashiv Rao Bhau, assembled a huge army (mostly Hindus but few Muslims too) including 25,000 Jats against Ahmad Shah Abdali, there was not a single Rajput supporting Sadashiv Rao.

Is this the same Jai Singh that helped Shivaji escape? And was poisoned by Aurangzeb for it?

[JungChamkaur]

the stupid article you posted is some random fudu like yourself lmao its so funny how stupid you people are. no wonder your all losers with no importance. and when you talk about abdali dont forget to talk about the patiala rulers who loved him.... hes also sikh btw if you didnt know. this whole idea of daughters and sister is utter rubbish.. rajputs never cared for their mistresses daughters... do you think your king ranjit cared? or the maharaja patiala cared when he was raping sikh women in the dozens? wake up and smell the coffee buddy, illegitimate progeny is never loved by anyone, hence their abysmal life and status as bastards and whores.

[JungChamkaur]

yes its the same jai singh... i think it was him who gave seva and is the patron of bangla sahib as wel if i am not mistaken.

[JungChamkaur]

funny thing is that jai singh rebelled against the mughals with mewar