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Religion and politics are not separate, and nor did this mix originate in the 1920s.

I hope you're not trying to equate the bullshit of the modern day Akali Dal and SGPC as any sort of legacy of the miri-piri concept.

What has happened today is that corrupt politics have entwined themselves into Sikh institutes and are trying to pass themselves off as 'Sikh' politics. Which no one is falling for.

I think what Kulsingh was trying to get at was the point that Panjabi Sikhs aren't in much of a position to tell 3Ho about their perceived 'interpolations' into Sikhi, as our own lot haven't exactly been squeaky clean in this respect themselves.

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The point that Nirankari (or dera SS or radha soamis or others) ridiculed SPFs or Gurbani has NEVER been proven.

Thats another reason why you hindutvas and your state are detested so much. Your ignorance of them is amazing excepting what your terrorist hero khanna told you. The nirankaris main people were all given names of sikh personalities like Bhai Gurdas, Bibi Nanaki etc and this guy was saying that they never got mukti in their previous lives so had to come back to serve the "creator" to get it.

There are too many indian laws against such denigration or vilification.

only a recent thing dear hindu jihadi.

How about the Sikh of century ridiculing Hindus and Hinduism in every speech?

On what points should you be praised? Decency? Fairness? Human rights? Equality?

How about Guru Granth Sahib 'ridiculing' beliefs of some Hindus? How about Guru Granth Sahib using words which are banned by the Indian Constitution?

Guru Granth Sahib does not ridicule any beliefs. It points out any futilities in religions, but there is a difference between making these points and outright ridiculing of Hinduism or any other belief.

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Absurd?

Many hard line Sikhs in the west have ridiculed them because of some of their practices, which are believed to be anti Sikh.

How long before Sikhs decide to shun them from the panth?

where does the list of hardline Sikhs end? there will always be one more hard-line than the next one.

but again it doesnt mean anything here, the 3ho still have their roots in gurmat principles enough to be a part of the panth.

before anyone attempts to shun the 3ho, you'll find that they will already have shunned the sanatani clowns.

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I think what Kulsingh was trying to get at was the point that Panjabi Sikhs aren't in much of a position to tell 3Ho about their perceived 'interpolations' into Sikhi, as our own lot haven't exactly been squeaky clean in this respect themselves.

who was arguing with him that the panjabi sikhs were in a position to tell the 3ho about their interpolations into sikhi?

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where does the list of hardline Sikhs end? there will always be one more hard-line than the next one.

but again it doesnt mean anything here, the 3ho still have their roots in gurmat principles enough to be a part of the panth.

before anyone attempts to shun the 3ho, you'll find that they will already have shunned the sanatani clowns.

you'll find that they will already have shunned the sanatani clowns.

Interesting, what brings you to this conclusion?

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i wasn't equating anything, just pointing out that as part of the concept of miri-piri, there is no separation of politics and religion.

Fair enough. But politicians are using religion to set-up their own agendas. Is this not correct?

Now, living in the 21st century, can the same comply (mixing religion with politics)?

If so, please explain, it would be interesting to find your point of view.

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where does the list of hardline Sikhs end? there will always be one more hard-line than the next one.

but again it doesnt mean anything here, the 3ho still have their roots in gurmat principles enough to be a part of the panth.

Some Hard line Sikhs in the UK are criticising the 3ho and these are the same hard-line Sikhs who have achieved changes in the way marriages are conducted within Sikh temples.

e.g. The brides brothers are not part of Lavan process

The same Hard-line Sikhs, who made sure only kesh dhari and Amritdhari Sikhs are allowed to be part of the Gurdwara committees.

The same Hard-line Sikhs, who are not allowing women to do Kirtan in darbar sahib.

Just some of the actions, which have been achieved by hard-line Sikhs.

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Some Hard line Sikhs in the UK are criticising the 3ho and these are the same hard-line Sikhs who have achieved changes in the way marriages are conducted within Sikh temples.

e.g. The brides brothers are not part of Lavan process

The same Hard-line Sikhs, who made sure only kesh dhari and Amritdhari Sikhs are allowed to be part of the Gurdwara committees.

The same Hard-line Sikhs, who are not allowing women to do Kirtan in darbar sahib.

Just some of the actions, which have been achieved by hard-line Sikhs.

what does hard-line mean?

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Fair enough. But politicians are using religion to set-up their own agendas. Is this not correct?

Now, living in the 21st century, can the same comply (mixing religion with politics)?

If so, please explain, it would be interesting to find your point of view.

point 1 is correct.

point 2 yes the same can comply if it is done with the panth in focus.

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The Orthodox for e.g. AKJ, Taksali

Link you may find interesting:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/We-urge-Akal-Takhat-to-declare-3ho-group-as-a-CULT/112690045466688

come on really akj and taksal orthodox? And i disagree with 3ho being a cult don't know what is wrong with some people just leave them alone and let them do there thing they are not disrespecting guru granth sahib ji.

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If AKJ are not orthodox, what are they?

Just a question, I've have always seen them stubborn as a mule in their Sikh sentiments.

the akj are followers of Bhai Randhir Singh. His own perception of Gurmat is what they beleive in. Their thinking is not orthodox. The samprdais are the orthodox Sikhs.

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