Jang Jaswal Near Death Experience

[SAadmin]

http://ndeaccounts.com/near-death-experiences-stories/jang-jaswal-near-death-experience/

[Ragmaala]

Well he is lucky he got a second chance. If it was his time to die he was done for sure. Maybe he had previous good karma or sanskar.

But how come all these near death experiences are so pleasant ? This is contrary to the experience being told by Guru Ji and Bhagats, such as the moment of death is like a sting of thousand scorpions, the yamdoots catch you by the hair and rip your subtle body shattering the bones and ribs, the hot red iron rod hit on the head wakes you up, etc.

Maybe because they have not really faced the moment of death yet, just a temporary transition back and forth between the two worlds.

Irony is that eventually we will get all the answers but by that time, it would be too late, and we wont be able to tell anyone on this world.lol

[SAadmin]

Good point, i guess we will never know divine mystery.

[Lucky]

Interesting!

Some of you may be aware that I had experienced a NDE and was in a coma for nearly a month...but I don't go into details on an open forum.

This guy was talking about it just after a year... but in all honesty...it takes more than a few years to put all the pieces together and understand it.

I can usually comprehend the genuine NDE descriptions,so I will give my opinion on this one....and it is fairly genuine, except that I think he hasn't fully understood and realized yet !

My opinion is that he did come from one of the heavenly realms before his life on earth.

The fact, that in this life, he rejected God, the power, the divine...... is why he was susceptible to all the darker and negative energies which accounted for his numerous illnesses.

The easiest way to think of how these energies work is to think of your 'SOUL' or God energy as that which exists as a white light.

The more attached to God and the more God realized ---->>then the brighter and stronger the energy of this white light.

Stronger white light in a body---->>>makes the body less susceptible to energies of dark light... this also means poot, pret, jantar mantar, curses, black magic...and all that.... are less likely to affect such body.

Then on the other hand, if a person has hardly any white divine light in them---->>> then, their bodies are more likely to be consumed by the darker and depriving energies of ill health, disease, depression...and even suicide.

Think of "GU-RU"...from darkness to light !

He witnessed the Cosmic arrangement and from what he was trying to explain as really fast travel--->>>was about the real ''interstellar'' cosmic shift through light years of space in no concept of time!... 5th dimension!

This is how "Gobind"-(Lord of the Universe)....shows you what your existence really is.

It is tailored for each individual, which is why, No two experiences are ever exactly the same !.... OR they wouldn't be called experiences.

He said that wherever he was, "in this valley"... he felt comfortable and at home to say!....... that's because he had come from there originally, which means he was already out of lakh chaurasi before birth! (not sure if some of you will get this...can explain later)

Basically, the only way that he could move up from any of those heavens to sachkhand.. was by taking birth as a human again.... and from some of the heaven loks, you can actually do this by choice or will.

Human birth-existence, means---->>> live out or bhog your karams,, which are basically the weight that hold you into a realm.

However, his denial and complete lack of dharam (one of the four padaraths)----->>> predisposed him to the darker energies of ill-being and ill health.

But the biggie for him was the Blessing of GRACE and KIRPA by Akaal Purakh..........so that he got another chance to complete his duties.

This is HUKAM--->>>None of us can ever explain how or why.

But how come all these near death experiences are so pleasant ? This is contrary to the experience being told by Guru Ji and Bhagats, such as the moment of death is like a sting of thousand scorpions, the yamdoots catch you by the hair and rip your subtle body shattering the bones and ribs, the hot red iron rod hit on the head wakes you up, etc.

This is what happens when you get thrown back into lack chaurasi again......the jamdoots come and club you with the iron dhandey, tie you up in shackles and lead you away as Kabirji says in gurbani.

You see, this guy was already out of the lack chaurasi from his previous janam, which is why he went straight into some lower/middle heaven lok--->>>since, he cam from there originally.

The other point is that as Guru Tegh Bahadurji describes...."This janam and life is just like a dream, when we wake up(which is when we die),-->> we realize that none of this life was real."

If you just imagine that when you are in a dream---->>It all seems quite real when you are in it...the people,.....the interactions,.... everything.... will seem like a reality in the dream state...... But, when you wake up-->>You realize that it wasn't real after all,.... it was just a dream, and now you are in the reality...dam-gotta getup in 30 mins and go to work

In the same manner,.... Death is like the waking up from this matrix illusion.

A reason why there is a difference within NDE descriptions is,.. because it depends on what and where you were from in previous janams.

Lakh chaurasi is the complete universal cycle and then there are all the heaven loks that go from lower to higher realms but there are some levels after which you cannot ascend unless you have human birth.

The ascension within realms can happen, but this is in the ones where jamdoots take you, where you have to realize, learn and accept all your dark wrongdoings.

So for eg,, you may end up in the dark pit of where all the murderer jivas are.... You will enjoy their company until you realise, accept and learn your own shortcomings and sin of murdering.....in doing so, you will be able to rise above the rest, as your inner light will get brighter.... then you move on to the next lessons.....and so on.....

The MAIN point that I can stress is that, when a soul jiva is in this Human Life form---->>> This is it's only chance to jap, meditate, get the one-pointed awareness......so that it can go straight --->>> Sachkhand.

The Direct one way plane ticket that Guru Nanak Ji has taught us-->>Nanak naam jahaz hai

In the Video, Mr Jaswal has got some idea about his mind-no thoughts-...etc...because he mentioned it a few times....But he hasn't quite said that he has deciphered the message that he must Jap and meditate. This is why he was given the second chance.

As I stated above, I don't go into details about my NDE on an open forum, but I can tell you all that the main message and duty that I came back for was ...Jap, Simran ..and bhagti on His Name.

That was the ONLY thing I knew I had to do but I had never done it previously. In fact, I was never even spiritually inclined in any way.........so it took me a couple of years to work out how to get going and do bhagti.

The Dhan/Wealth of Naam is only carried forward from this realm of human life.

Sat Sri Akaal

[Ragmaala]

Thank you Lucky veer for sharing your experiences, opinions. It really is motivating and confirms the reality after death again and again.

Mind often forgets , but posts from fellow sikhs serve as a good reminder

[sukrit kaur]

Fear of death!!!! Waheguru!

Perhaps I know (a little bit), about the feeling of death arrival.Don't going too much personal,I would share that I had a demo of post death time for two times.But the good thing is that,Such experiences or u say dreams have driven me into more bhagti.At having one ,I was little upset.I just cried and asked guru ji that Am I too bad for having such worst experience.I was feeling so unfortunate and was asking myself again and again that what bad karams I had conducted for having such punishment.but later,I realised no,that was a sign of guru sahib's kirpa in an indirect way.But still I dont understand the proper meaning.But now,I almost dont scare of death.One should always remind Guru Ji in his heart .I think, to know about the post death time and to overcome it's fear is must to progress on our spiritual path.U never know at what time we get to leave this body,so remembering akal purkh every second is worthwhile.

Ant kaal narayan simrae aisi chinta meh jeh marae(At very last moment,one who thinks of the lord and dies in such thoughts)

Badhath tilochan te nar mukta peetanbar vaa kae ridhae basaee

(Says trilochan,that man shall be liberated, and lord shall abides in his heart)

Gur fateh!

Edited May 9, 2015 by sukrit kaur

[CdnSikhGirl]

Well he is lucky he got a second chance. If it was his time to die he was done for sure. Maybe he had previous good karma or sanskar.

But how come all these near death experiences are so pleasant ? This is contrary to the experience being told by Guru Ji and Bhagats, such as the moment of death is like a sting of thousand scorpions, the yamdoots catch you by the hair and rip your subtle body shattering the bones and ribs, the hot red iron rod hit on the head wakes you up, etc.

Maybe because they have not really faced the moment of death yet, just a temporary transition back and forth between the two worlds.

Irony is that eventually we will get all the answers but by that time, it would be too late, and we wont be able to tell anyone on this world.lol

I dont know about that.... I believe there is a transition period before you come back. And I also believe that its possible to interact with this world. I have two *personal* stories which seem to suggest this:

1. I already mentioned I have had numerous out of body experiences in my life, so I networked with others who also had same experiences. One of my friends did an experiment while 'out'. He went towards his computer and waved his *hand* through the tower. He really didn't expect anything to happen but when he was back in physical and went to turn on the computer, he had corrupted the hard drive. It was as if a large chunk had been erased. This suggests a definite electromagnetic connection between the physical and nonphysical realities. It also makes sense, since many of the sounds encountered during separation and return from out of body experiences are described to be like static, or rushing, electrical like sounds. It means that recently departed may be able to somehow interact with electronic devices... which leads me to #2

2. When my own Father died, the day of the funeral we were all leaving the hall where the wake was, and outside the building waiting to go to the funeral at the Church (he was Catholic). As they wheeled him around the corner in the casket, the lights and car alarm on the limousine started going haywire... and nobody was standing anywhere near it. Then when we got home, My Mother and I found a message left on the answering machine. It was pretty garbled up, but I was able to clear most of it. The machine was not a tape machine, it was digital so it could not have been a bad tape and we tried to do the *69 thing where it tells you the last number that called. The last number came up as a call we had received in that morning... long before that message was left. Another strange thing was that the bird my Mother had was chirping in the background. The only way the bird could have been on there is if someone clicked the 'memo' button and left a message right at the machine itself. But.... nobody was there as we were all at the funeral! The message itself gets clearer in the second half, and some of the things blew me away:

One thing was "Remember the LIGHT. Remember the life we had. I can hear you, don't worry if I'm alright, I'm ok. I can hear you, I'm sorry that we couldn't do more, but I'm not cold or tired. Remember. Do not doubt. Remember your faith. Remember"

Now he didnt say Catholic faith... he said faith. And a word he didnt really use before... light. Remember the light.

Now I had been alone the previous day, and I was saying out loud... I need to know you are ok because I am having doubts. I need to know you are still 'somewhere' - so it was very eerie hearing 'I can hear you, don't worry if I am alright, I m ok" as you can well imagine!

This is also how I KNOW it was not a prank that someone did. Because I said those things while I was completely alone in the house!!!

This is only a tiny bit of the over 2 min long message by the way! I clipped it so you can hear exactly this spot.

"Remember the LIGHT. Remember the life we had. I can hear you, don't worry if I'm alright, I'm ok. I can hear you, I'm sorry that we couldn't do more, but I'm not cold or tired. Remember. Do not doubt. Remember your faith. Remember"

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Edited May 9, 2015 by Satkirin_Kaur

[sukrit kaur]

One day,I was a reading a shabad in a book.There was complete description of death arrival and whatever soul experiences after death.It was mentioned that if a soul had a true Guru in his life,then That true guru comes to save the soul from mouth of kaal.Guru doesnt let him caught by jamms.But a person without Guru,gets caught by kaal and there he suffers the severe pains of death.There was complete detail regarding death of a person.Will try to find it out and will post it here.

[Lucky]

I dont know about that.... I believe there is a transition period before you come back.

It's not exactly a transition period,... this is about love and attachment and not every soul experiences this.

Some say that it's about 10 days or so...and some say that it's the 40 days..............But it's one of the main reasons why we shouldn't mourn and beg for the deceased to come back. ....You have to let them move on.

If the mourners and the person passed away show too much 'moh' such that it's energy overpowers the other energies, then the soul can get stuck/trapped/confused in this astral zone here and be unable to move on until it realizes.

I often see theses scenarios on that ''long island medium show'.

These souls don't have a strong inner light, so then they don't experience the stronger pull towards the light.

Your father on the other hand, felt the love and power of the light, which is why he would have moved on, and that riddi siddi long island medium, wouldn't be able to contact him!

The 'transition period', like I said, is not experienced by everyone. The bad souls, who the jamdoots come and get don't get such transition zones or feel any light.

The jiva's with a strong light energy within their souls can get the opportunity to clarify and sort out a few loose ends with loved ones. It's as if they have this extra earned energy that can only be used in this realm or left behind.. The car alarm's going off was your father's earth realm energy being left amongst us before he made his definite move towards the light direction.

So that energy got dissipated amongst vehicle electronics and it would probably have been the last physical incident of some sort of presence or may be something else may have occurred as well around that few hours time period.

It's quite common to experience lights blowing, power surges and sometimes even unfinished ardaas of donation that may have been 'sukhiyo' before the death, can make surprise appearances!

This way the person goes with their lekha without any unresolved karams left.

[sukrit kaur]

One day,I was a reading a shabad in a book.There was complete description of death arrival and whatever soul experiences after death.It was mentioned that if a soul had a true Guru in his life,then That true guru comes to save the soul from mouth of kaal.Guru doesnt let him caught by jamms.But a person without Guru,gets caught by kaal and there he suffers the severe pains of death.There was complete detail regarding death of a person.Will try to find it out and will post it here.

I tried a lot to find out the shabad.Since,the book is in punjabi,so couldn't find english version of shabad.The writing is really spectacular,very informative,so wanted to share with you all.Due to a very busy time schedule,it's quite difficult for me to type all in english.But I'll try to type it here in english.So this is a poor attempt from me.Please correct me if I go wrong.

[sukrit kaur]

(Poor attempt by me.please ingnore any mistake and correct me if I go wrong)

VAANI OF TULSI SAHIB:

Here He explains the death story of a person.He writes ,when a man dies ,how his soul leaves the body and the souls who take shelter of True Guru, are saved by his purkh.

Here is complete description of how surat gets pulled at death arrival.And how saint saves his loving soul.

Really a very interesting reading!

PART 1:

SANT JEEV KI BIPAT SHURAAVAE, KARMI JEEV JAGAT Ko CHAAVAE :

Says, it's a marvellous ritual that saint wants to emancipate the soul from the prison of chauraasi,and wants him to reach his realm,where is no birth,no death ,no pain,no joy.But that unfortunate soul denies the supreme gift and just wants to stick with worldly pleasures.A saint wants him to reach the highest realm 'SACHKHAND,but he wants to get trapped again and again.

JAA KO FAL CHAURAASI MAHI, BHIN BHIN TOHE KAHO SUNAI:

Heart is sikh and The writer is guru.This is a discourse between a guru and sikh.so,Tulsi sahib is instructing heart that satpurkh wants to save the soul,but due to his mistake,he is dying and taking birth over continous intervals of time.

Now he warns the soul.he says o soul listen!I describe you the pain of death and birth.

JAB JEEV NIKARR DEH DARSAU,VOH SMAJ KI SMAJ SUNAO:

When soul leaves the body,and pain he suffers ,I describe you.It's the description of that painful time.

NIKAR JEEV TAN SHUTTAE BHAI,JAB KI BAATAEN kAHU BUJAi

SIMATT AKASH BHAAS JAB AAVE ,JAB NARRI mEIN SEET SMAAVAE:

When time of death comes,soul gets incorporated.Hands and feet get cold and nerves stop working.slowly,entire body gets cold and soul comes behind the eyes.This is the description of that time.

JAS RAB ASAT HOYE ANDHEYAARA ,PRAan PATI TAN TUK TUK THAARA

JAS RAB BHAAS GAYE UJEYASI ,THUk THUK PRAAN BHASAE TAN BAASI

When day starts,birds and animals go to their works for searching food and come back to their shelters at night-fall.In same manner,when death arrives ,the soul starts leaving the lower body.Now praan and swaas unites.when death comes,then both get seperated.

NIKSE SWAAS BHASKRAN PRANA ,YAIRAE SIMATT KAHO KAHAN SAMAANA:

Now he explains that where The ray of PRAN or jeev atma will go.

JO VO THAAV JON SAE THAAI ,DASWA DWAR BRAHM KE MAHI:

The soul wants to travel through tenth gate,and wants to merge with BRAHM,coz brahm is master of this trilok.This heart is his part.pran belongs to brahm,but the soul belongs to satpursh.pran can't cross the akash.

SURAJ BRAHM DWAR DASS MAHI,uNSE KiRAN AAND mAI AAI:

Says ray of jeev atma came from brahm.Then moved from brahm to sehas dal kawal.then from sehas dal kawal to navel region

Then from navel,the entire world originated.

KIRAN PAANCH TATT PRAN kHAYA,TATT MIL PAANCH AKASH JAGAYA:

When ray of atma did strike on five prans ,then five elements originated-air,land,fire,water,sky.

ATAM SABB MEIN BHAAS PARKASA,SoYI BHAAS KIYA TAN BAASA

MARG BHAAS JOYII MAGG AaYA ,TARAK TALUVE RAHH SMAYA:

This ray of atma crossed the way below the brain and came in eyes ,then from eyes to navel region.Then from navel to entire body.now,from the path it came,from that same path we have to cover our journey.

JAYEO PRATIBInB PARAE JAL JAYI ,AISAE BHAAS NAABH KE MAHI:

Like the reflex of sun srikes the water,in same manner ray of atma came in navel,then to entire body.

NAAB TEJ TAN MAHE SAMAANA ,ROM ROM BADAN ME JAANa:

Like,when ray of light becomes sunshine after striking the earth,in same manner that ray passes in rom rom of entire body after striking th navel.

BHAAS TEJ CHETAN BHAII KAYA,YEH BHiTTAR MEIn BHARAN BATAYA:

When,rooh(atma/soul) came in rom rom ,then man stood up and started working.

JIN GHAT SAIL KARI kAYA Ki ,BiTAR bHAID KAHEY JOYI BHAAKI:

Now tulsi sahib says,who travelled the higher realms by leaving nine gates,well knows how to travel upward and how to come back from there.

UPAR KI KEHNI NAHE MAANU,AnDAR UDHAY HOaye GHAT BHANU:

Says,we are ready to abide the sayings of person who travelled inward,but not ready to abide the sayings of ones who didnt make any inward journey.

ANDAR BHAAN UDAEY BINA,BHITARR KI KA KAHEN

BAIN BACHAN CHUnTHAY kaHeY,BIN ANDAR NEH AEIN:

If inner eye has not opened,no light has illuminated and has not travelled the inner realms ,then such person has not travelled inward.one who has not travelled yet,how can he take pictures of inward scenario?

BRAHM JEEV KRIN PRAN KAHAYa ,YeH KAYA MEIN BHAAKH BATAYA

THEEK THOUR AR THAM THIKANA ,ANDR KOI PARKH PEHCHANA

YEH SAB BAIN BADAN MEIN BHAAKHI ,SUNN KAR SAAD DAIYAIGE SAAKHI:

Says,whatever I'm talking about,is inward conversation.The saints who travellwd,will abide my sayings and other will deny it.

NIKRE PRAN BADAN SE JAAVe,JAHe SAMAY kI sANT SUNAVe:

Says,when pran leaves the body,now saint talks about it.

JAAKA ABB DHRISHTANT sUNAO,NAKAl MAHE MEIN ASAL dIKHAU:

Says now he describes the duplicate copy of the real inward reality.

JAISE PADANG GAGAN CHARR JAAVEY,DORI DAET DAET bHARR JAAVE

JAB DORI VEH KHAINCH KHILAARI,KHAInCH DOR BHOOMI PAR DAARI:

Like,a string can control the flying kite and It flies as much as a child leaves the string,In same manner soul can go upward and can come back with Inward spiritual practice.

SImATTI DOR KIYA UNN PiNDA,YEH BIDD SURAT KHINCHAE BrAHMANDA

ROM ROM SE TEJ KHINCHAANA ,SIMmATT NAABI MEIN AANA:

Atma comes in navel region from feet.

NAABI TEJ SE BHAAS UDHAYA ,JAB TAN MADD TULAVE AAYa

Then from navel,comes in palate(above the eyes)

TALUVAY SE JAB DOR KHINCHANI,JAB TATT PAAaNCH ANDD MEIN AANi:

These are 4 parts of body-ANDD,PINDD,BRAHMAND and SACHKHANd.Now soul Leaves pindd(from feet to palate),and travels through andd,brahmandd and reaches sachkhand.

KHAINCHAY DORR PRAN INCH AVEY ,KAL KAAN PAR AASAN LAaVEY:

When soul leaves,then pran leaves too.For eg: when someone leaves a house,nd if there is a tree,then birds too leave their shelters .

TO BE CONTINUED

(Bhul chuk maaf)

[sukrit kaur]

PART 2

KAAL KAAN KEY MARAG LAI,YA BIDH TAN KAI MAHE SAMAI:

Inward behind the ears are two paths which enter through the ears: Right side belongs to saints and left side belongs to Kaal.There is a place (inside),where the soul stops.Kaal comes and carries the soul there.

JAB VA DORR KO PAKARE JAYI,SANT SURAT KI BAITHAK BAHI:

Kaal on left side and guru on right side.when kaal wants to carry the soul with him,then what is role of sat pursh has explained further.

VAHI SATGUR KI BAITHAK PAASA,DORI SHAAR HOYE KAAL NIRAASA:

When kaal wants to carry the soul,then immediately,the great pursh/satguru sitting on right side saves the soul from mouth of Kaal.

PRANI SATGUR KI SUDH LAAVE,DORI SHAANR KAAL ALGAAVE:

Like,When any stranger passing through a forest with fear of a thief nd a brave man saves him,then he gets very happy.In same manner when kaal arrives nd soul meditates on naam ,then that true guru in form of naam comes and saves him.

(Now I'm gonna write only explanation skipping the shabad)

Persons ,who had true naam in their heart ,did meditation,had true love towards their true guru ,are saved.kaam even can't come close to such beings.These are really great souls.

Now true guru comes and carries the soul by uniting it with his soul.

All Souls without Naam get eaten by kaal .When true guru Holds the soul,then kaal has to srun away with empty hands.

Now surat meets the Shabad nd reaches the final station 'NIJ GHAR'.The final station comes according to our kamai.

This all story is for Naam abhiyasis.

Kaal doesnt leave anyone.There is only one way to get rid of this cycle,that is only naam.Yogi become skeleton doing tapsaya,but finally kaal eats.No one can be saved without NAAM.

Now heart/hirda is questioning what happens to the souls without naam .what does happen to manmukhs?how their pran leaves the body?where are they carried after death?

Says the entire world is in hands of kaal.how kaal carries the souls to his place and how he treats them?

World is so ignorant.Even no one knows who is the true master.They worship the kaal and kaal eats them.

They even dont know from where theyare brought and what's their true goal.

Mind is trapped by cage of five elements.

Now soul is praying for true knowledge.He is begging for wisdom and to remove all doubts.he is praying o true master ,show me the right path to save myself from kaal.There is only one way to be saved from kaal,and that only way is NAAM.KAal plays a wonderful game.he himself gives pains and pleasures.He himself kills and himself eats.Now here is description how kaal plays his wonderful game.

[harsharan000]

Pen jee,

hats off for such valuable information, irrespectively if one accepts it not, believes it or not.... It is the core of spirituality.

Thank you

[Ragmaala]

thanks, bhain ji, its brilliant information, very deep and mystical !

[sukrit kaur]

PART 3:(very much interesting)

Now here are the answers of hirda.

Says O heart! What is the relation between soul and waheguru.who is true master? what this soul belongs to?

Across Trilok,fourth mahal is SACHKHAND,the highest realm,the true master of all true naam,all khands and brahmands,whole creation.This soul belongs to satnaam.some say soul belongs to brahm,some say this ,some say that.But all are wrong.vedas didnt go beyond brahm ,nor the vedas know anything beyond brahm.but this jeev belongs only and only to satnaam.

Our souls belong to satnaam,but when they entered kaal's world,they wore the coat of five elements.and cage of five elements (body) was created.soul was trapped in thia cage and mind was introduced to act as security personnel.All game is of mind.Only a true satpursh catries the soul with force,otherwise this mind doesnt allow him to think about it.

In beginning,soul started its journey from sachkhand.It entered brahm from sachkhand.First,came the bhawar GHUfA.here hindus did jaap of 'sohang' and muslims of' ANNA-HU'.Anna hu means' I'm same as him.'.when soul reaches bhawar gufa,then it meets master of satlok.like,garbage on meeting ocean says I belong to ocean,In same manner,soul says (on having divine vision of master) I'm soul and he is my master.

All souls are living very far from true master.souls are crying and begging.But all are trapped by kaal/brahm.Only saints know the true mystery.saints themselves give the hint,nd then themselves become silent. Beside a true saint,all are veryyy far to know this mystery.

Now,kaal has trapped souls (all-human,animals,birds,everyone)in prison of mind.Man has become vey ignorant about his true world.he even doesnt know from where he came,and where he will go.he is just dancing here and there in different forms.sometime bird,sometime animal and so on.Kaal cant create souls nor he can destroy.He has only borrowed the souls from satnaam after doing tapasya of several yugs.

Now,mind as security personnel, is the head of Pind and enters the jeev atma in Pind.

Then created the betrayal world.Rishi compiled the veda nd after listening no one even thought about it.Only saint/satpursh explains the reality.Balmiki did true kamai,and compiled Ramayan thousand years before birth of Ram.But Kaal played such game,so that no one can go in nd know the supreme.Only True naam/satpursh can show his mercy and can save a yearning soul.the true master is real father.He us always waiting for his child,but an ignorant being ia not ready for this meeting..

And,soul is wandering in cycle of chaurassi created by Kaal.All are trapped in this jaal of chaurasi .everyone.All rishi-muni ,avatars,Devi nd other deities.

And the soul is dancing on the rythm of Karams.when good karam come,get pleasures and when bad karam come,get pains.As karam,as reward.

Everyone is a victim of different jaal.some of greed,some of this and some of that.It's a very complex mystery.

If had some good karams,then enters heaven and enjoyed mukti for some while.But then bad karams come and gets this human body and suffers pain.Then bad karams, carry to Narak nd then again apin.All game of kaal.Gives man swarag and narak nd just use him as a puppet.He can provide salvation.But this mukti is for a particular time,then again have to come.TRue salvation is forever,and only provided by true naam/satpursh.

Like,A lamp gives no light on covering it with a thick curtain.nd starts giving light on removing it.In same manner,soul is a part/ansh of satnaam.In brahm,it's light was of 12 suns nd in satlok of 16 suns.But on getting trapped by maya,no light!

Nobody has any existence without karams.Sun,moon,stars,earth all are staying under effect of karams .So,insects,birds,animals all are under karams.No body without karam and no karam without body.This is the rule from the day universe was created.

Once,Lord krishna told Uddo pointing a moving insect that it's been made brahma and indra for several times.When Kings of heaven can be given birth as insects,then what will be the condition of others?

No place is without karam.Nine khand,14 lok all are under karams.

(To be continued)

Edited May 11, 2015 by sukrit kaur

[sukrit kaur]

PART 4:

The question was what happens to the souls without NAAM ,so here is the answer.

When death arrives,any disease can be the reason.Death comes by any cause.some say heart stops working,some say this nd that.No death without any cause.

When Soul leaves the body,swaas stops.The consciousness leaves the body too.

When rooh starts leaving pind(region below eyes),and comes in ANDD(above palate region .Body dies in a sequential manner just like destruction of universe/sarishti.

So when death arrives,first of all GUDDA CHAKKAR gets destroyed,here is the element of land.Prithvi chakkar meets Indri chakkar,so water dissolves the land(soil)here.Then NABI chakkar,with element of fire.when Indri chakra breaks,it meets the Nabi chakra nd Fire dries the water.above it ,is the HIRDA CHAKKAR,or shiv chakkar,here is the element of air.when Nabi chakra breaks,then air destroys fire and air meets akash.Now atma comes in ANDD.

When death arrives,entire consciousness comes in ANDD and the reward of all birth's karams comes in mind/budhhi.Next birth is based on this..Without NAAM,everything is filth.So mind filled with filth ,gets caught by kaal.what an unfortunate soul! Came from sachkhand and going with Kaal.Now,Time for death and kaal is calling come here .here is the way,come here!

This is the condition when pran comes out of PINDD leaving Nine gates.

Guru is on right side and kaal on left side.There was no NAAM/Satguru ,so no one comes to save the soul.

Now ,No other way and a voice comes from upward COme here!nd the soul is in mouth of kaal!Only the true guru/NAam is the true saviour.Without NAAm,who will help you? No one!

When KAal chews the soul in his jaws,the water flows through eyes, and There is discharge of feces.Now, this time can't be described again.

All intestines are worthless.So this is the purpose of meditation/NAAM kamai/sharan of satguru.It is the only way to be safe from such severe pain.Without true NAAM,jaamdoots carries the soul by holding his ears.No one can help then.No brother,sister,mother,no one!only a true naam can save the soul.Now soul is in hands of jamdoots and the responsibility of family members ends.Now its the time to Take reward of karams.

(To be continued)

[harsharan000]

Pen jee,

please do not rush.Take your time with ease.

Before you give us more meals(spiritual stuff) to eat, let us eat, savour, and digest the ones you have already given us ...

You too need time to cook and serve these spiritual dishes...lol ... so please, eat with us, that very food served by your kind hospitality....

Thank you once again.

Sat Sree Akal.

Edited May 11, 2015 by harsharan000

[Lucky]

Excellent stuff Sukrit ji

Some very valuable information is there.

Whilst reading, It reminded me about the importance gurbani places on the 9 gates/openings and the 10th hidden dwar.

It is very much believed that the soul leaves the body through any of the 9 openings at death and people with sixth sense have witnessed this and sometimes even a physical incident occurs at the same time such as discharge from mouth, nose, feces... ears....

However, Guru Nanak ji has strongly advised the sikh to open the hidden 10th gate.... Seriously, we should work at making sure we leave via that hidden door and not any of the nine.

Also below is a very good foreign video about the jamdoots coming to get you and what happens.

I first saw it at a sikh camp because the depiction is very close to what gurbani says....and there are nearly 400 tuks that talk about the jamdoots--->and remember Gurbani is the Truth!

There is no permanent hell as such, but if you end up in this kind of place...you don't leave until you realise and awaken to all your wrongs and this also includes emotional attachment to maya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n8olHQMlBJo

Edited May 11, 2015 by Lucky

[sukrit kaur]

Pen jee, please do not rush.Take your time with ease. Before you give us more meals(spiritual stuff) to eat, let us eat, savour, and digest the ones you have already given us ... You too need time to cook and serve these spiritual dishes...lol ... so please, eat with us, that very food served by your kind hospitality.... Thank you once again. Sat Sree Akal.

Lol..I Just took the full benefit of free time I had...Actually I managed to do so.lol..my exam is on 17..I wanted to finish it in one day ,so that I can give continous time to my studies..BTW, I appreciate your words.Thank you for your cooperation.You enjoy the meal and I take some time to serve the next one.Sorry for creating rush..

Gur fateh!

[sukrit kaur]

Excellent stuff Sukrit ji Some very valuable information is there.Whilst reading, It reminded me about the importance gurbani places on the 9 gates/openings and the 10th hidden dwar.It is very much believed that the soul leaves the body through any of the 9 openings at death and people with sixth sense have witnessed this and sometimes even a physical incident occurs at the same time such as discharge from mouth, nose, feces... ears.... However, Guru Nanak ji has strongly advised the sikh to open the hidden 10th gate.... Seriously, we should work at making sure we leave via that hidden door and not any of the nine. Also below is a very good foreign video about the jamdoots coming to get you and what happens.I first saw it at a sikh camp because the depiction is very close to what gurbani says....and there are nearly 400 tuks that talk about the jamdoots--->and remember Gurbani is the Truth! There is no permanent hell as such, but if you end up in this kind of place...you don't leave until you realise and awaken to all your wrongs and this also includes emotional attachment to maya.

Yes you are right veer ji.Guru sahib and Guru Baani is the answer of everything,but still some ppl like me are too ignorant.There are many shabads in Gurbani,which talk about hell and jamdoots.(BTW ,Video was veryyyy much frightening)

May Guru Nanak patsah shows his divine blessings upon us by opening of tenth gate and we get sehaj anand as per tuk:

Adisatt Agochar Parbrahm,Mil saadu Akathh kathaya tha(the supreme lord is imperceptible and unfathomable; and on meeting the holy saint I speak the unspoken speech)

Anahad Shabad Dasam Dwar Vajeo,Teh Amrit Naam CHuaaya tha(the unstruck sound current of shabad vibrates nad resounds in the tenth gate and ambrosial nectar trickles down there)

I think we are too lucky,for having birth with such wisdom to differentiate between good and bad & Gurbani is the most precious and biggest gift of Almighty.May waheguru Ji makes our lives worthwhile and every loving soul reach the destination ,they are looking for.

WAH-HE-GURU!!

Milabae Ki Mehma Baran Na saaku,Nanak Parae PAreela(The great honour of meeting the lord cant be described;O Nanak its infinite and beyond measure)

Edited May 12, 2015 by sukrit kaur

[Ragmaala]

It is always amazing when simple threads spontaneously turn into a weath of great spiritual knowledge, sharing the universal truthes, cross-referencing via different sources leading to One Truth.

Waheguru ...

[CdnSikhGirl]

Speaking of NDE's and OBEs (which are very very similar in experience), what do you make of the 'silver cord' seen by those who experience NDEs/OBEs?

The way I have always seen reality is that there is a nonphysical level that is part of the physical reality (the vitality of the physical). This realm is called "etheric" and exists surrounding everything physical and extending beyond physical objects and people by (I want to say about 1 M). But Etheric is part of the physical and when a person dies, eventually so to does their 'etheric' shell which can exist for a short time without the physical body. (Which accounts for recently deceased hanging around for a short time).

The silver cord, I have always thought of as tha gateway between the Etheric level and Astral level. It's nearly ALWAYS mentioned to be coming from the top of the head. This correspends to the location of the "10th Gate". So in that sense... silver cord = gateway between etheric and astral? Like a wormhole of sorts? It would make sense with the 'tunnel' and 'light at the end of the tunnel' descriptions.

Has anyone analyzed this correlation? It is a VERY prominent feature in NDE descriptions.

I have seen it also, in one of my OBEs. I have seen both etheric and astral levels as well. A misnomer is that OBEs are always called Astral Projection when majority of them actually happen on the etheric level... because the typical 'floating over the physical body' descriptions and seeing the physical reality in real time. Astral projection is MUCH more mystical in quality... like a dream but very vivid and conscoious.

Anyway in a Sikh sense has the silver cord ever been talked about?

[Ragmaala]

wow just found the perfect answer for silver cord as per Gurbani:

Page 228, Line 18
ਡੋਲੁ ਬਧਾ ਕਸਿ ਜੇਵਰੀ ਆਕਾਸਿ ਪਤਾਲਾ ॥੬

Dol baḏẖā kas jevrī ākās paṯālā. ||6||
Like the bucket tied to the rope in the well, you are pulled up to the Akaashic Ethers, and then lowered down to the nether regions of the underworld. ||6||
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

There are many references to rope....this might be the silver cord you are witnessing.

Search for rope and you will find many references.

enjoy

[Guest]

Wow, soo many hidden ishara(pointers) in the gurbani..wow wow just wow. :D

[Ragmaala]

^ exactly my expression WAAAAAAAAAAAAHE....