SikhKhoj Posted June 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Oh vi haiga. Ah pharhttp://www.panjabdigilib.org/webuser/searches/displayPage.jsp?ID=8489&page=1&CategoryID=1&Searched=W3GX&sbtsro=1&viewall=1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted June 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 And this source also talks about selecting five youth, even though its fake.KEENA UDAM PANTH KA, PANCH SIKH MANVAYEPAHUL GUR TIN KO DEYI, SIR PAR KES RAKHAYEDAS GUR KATHA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Oh vi haiga. Ah pharhttp://www.panjabdigilib.org/webuser/searches/displayPage.jsp?ID=8489&page=1&CategoryID=1&Searched=W3GX&sbtsro=1&viewall=1ਬਹੁਤ ਬਹੁਤ ਧੰਵਾਦ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted June 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Let us know if you find something interesting during your study of this granth. Enjoy! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 There is also the possibility that the Guru had told the warriors beforehand not to rise when the call came. Like in school class when sometimes the teacher says to the top students not to raise their hands when a question is asked because the teacher wants to see how many of the "non-top students" know the answers to the subject etc.This would explain why the other hundreds/thousands of warriors did not rise.Bro, did you hear the above from a scholar or a saint? Is it written in any book? If not, then I think, we should drop this idea. It it was true, some scholar or Brahamgyani would have mentioned it.Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted June 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 A brahmgyani told me that Guru selected 5 pyare not call for heads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 A brahmgyani told me that Guru selected 5 pyare not call for heads. Are you serious? Can you please name the Brahamgyani?Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Bansawlinama also don't mention sees bhet episode as far as I know. Read Mehma Parkash too long ago so don't remember. Edited June 16, 2015 by SikhKhoj 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Yes. Gur Katha has been published in 2 books in the 20th century. One by Gurmukh Singh and one by Niranjan Singh Arfi. One book is about Rangretas and Sikhi, the guy obtained the manuscript from some Rangreta family . I got the Rangreta book which contains the Gur Katha.Thanks had a look through this. Seems like the kind of propaganda that castist Sikhs make up to overplay their contribution to the Panth's growth and survivial. I used this type of stuff from Mazhabi Singhs, now I know where they get their info from.One thing I couldnt understand from the book was they described sikhs as "ranghrete of brahman extraction". What does this mean? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Are you serious? Can you please name the Brahamgyani?Bhul chuk maafSharpen up. lol He's making a sarcastic point about using 'brahm-gianis' as an end all to questions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Would you date Kankans 'das gur katha' to the 18th or 19th century? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I'd look at and analyse a writing for YEARS before I'd try and answer a question like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhKhoj Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 You're right.Read what Kirpal Singh MA says about the author and dating of the Granth in the preface. Again only assumptions: 'we see an influence from Guru Gobind Singhs bani, therefore we can say that it is written by a Darbari kavi. Since the narration abruptly ends after the Khalsa creation we can take that the author finished writing it near 1700'. Chalo, rant band karda lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Like we talked about in another thread: rewriting Sikh history is a problem. People don't like to find out that certain things they've believed to be concrete for ages may not be so. It will be perceived as an attack. The more 'combative' pendus amongst us will jump on (and relish!) the opportunity to go 'bwwaaaaah!!!' over the issue and all that. lol So much writing of that time is reminiscent of parts of the dasam granth. To use it as 'evidence' of proximity to Guru ji is tenuous to say the least. BUT people want to believe, and that is what influences things the most. Edited June 17, 2015 by dalsingh101 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Which parts of sri gur panth parkash is not true? Crystal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Which parts of sri gur panth parkash is not true? CrystalBro, can you please start a new topic on this?Waheguru jee kaa KhalsaWaheguru jee kee Fateh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harsharan000 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 In my humble opinion, giving one´s head, is quite difficult for anybody.There may be a purpose,why Guru Jee told of giving their heads.Bu I also believe, as a general rule, it is asking us to not lean on our minds, but, to trust Him, to give Him our haume, our ego, which is in our minds.Because only by giving our haume, our manmat, and vacating our mind from it, can we follow Gurmat implicitly, and totally drench ourselves with His Naam.Guru Jee does not need our physical heads, He is Sachay Patshah, He can make even the stones carry out His orders. But as a spiritual redeemer, He tells us to leave our haume aside and dedicate ourselves in full faith and devotion, to His Naam, by His Simran, in which lies our spiritual growth and welfare.Sat Sree Akal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harsharan000 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Part 2: Let us imagine the following scene, when Tenth Patshahee asked for the heads, there maybe let us say around 100.000 people, and let us imagine, all of them were ready to really give their heads .... but frankly speaking, if that was that easy to give one´s head, and aquire the right to enter Sach Khand, even then it would be a cheap bargain for all of us. But the thing is, the laws made by Akal Purukh at the time of creation, can not be altered even by Him, not that He can´t, but He wouldn´t do so. He is not like our corrupted politicians or managers, who manipulate the laws and orders according to their own benefits. What example would He be giving, by going against His own Hukum? He is merciful, He is Graceful, He is Dayal Purukh, He is an infinite Ocean of virtues, but definetely not a cheater... Moreover according to Gurmat, our Guru Sahibans have to come to redeem our souls. When they themselves had to leave their physical bodies here, what for, would they want our physical heads ... you see these mahapurukhs, whenever they do or say something, there is always a deeper meaning in it, which we moorakhs usually never catch ... It is by our association with them, that we come to comprehend their real status. The Bani says many things, like we are here due to our karmas, and we are trapped by Maya, mind and Kal. And on the other side, even if we maybe in the physical nearness to any Bhagat or Guru Sahiban, but this our nearness does not change our reality mentioned above, and there is a natural way to overcome all this .... Or better said, a process of going through, before we achieve any purity. It is an act of Grace, from Wahiguru, if we ever come in the company of any such True Gurmukh, but the fact remains, that to cut all our worldly attachments, karmas, etc, we have to drink the medicine of Amrit within us, there is no other way. And to have and drink this Amrit, there is no such magic stick to be waved. Rather we need a lot of Grace first from Wahiguru, and then we have to do a lot of devotion as per means of Naam Simran. And Wahiguru is so Graceful, that, He has blessed us with the understanding, that physical nearness with a Gurmukh is very good, but not essential. Because that what is going to bring the changes for good in us, is by working on their teachings of True devotion, which will make us have their darshan within us, and this darshan of a Gurmukh within, is what counts, as we have spiritually become near to them. it is this darshan which will wash our sins, it is this darshan which will make us pure, it is this darshan which will lead us to Him, because no Gurmukh, Brahamgyani or Guru sahiban is the physical body, rather as first Patshahee has said, they are the manifestations of the Nirankar Shabad Dhun, from there they emerge, and in it, they merge along with whosoever catches hold of their "pallav". That is why, Guru Jee said: Shabd Guru, surat dhun chela. This is their real swaroop, and it is to this swaroop which even the full Brahmand of souls attach themselves with it, that swarop of Guru Jee can ferry across the bhavsagar, any number of souls. So sangat jee, if ever any Guru Sahiban asks us for our heads, we should be ready for it willingly, as all our life is an offering to them; but I doubt, any Guru Sahiban will ask us to do so, because as said in the post above, they are more interested in us offering our minds at His Lotus Feet, so that we can easily merge in them, and then altogether in Him, and become His one more pyare, nay not only that, but one with Him, what else can we want sangat jee? So much daya meher, so much bakshish, on us sinners.... Sat Sree Akal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post paapiman Posted July 2, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 Another lie by Baba kartar Singh. Its not in Aligarh, professors have been there. Myths myths. It seems babay < goats How do you know, Baba jee lied? It is possible that he might have received wrong information or the manuscript did exist at one point in time. You might be aware that there was a stone near Jagannath mandir, which narrated the sakhi about first master's visit to the temple. It was destroyed by some idiots and now it does not exist. Similarly, there was also a tree which existed in a gurudwara. The tree was uprooted and it does not exist now.Bhul chuk maaf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 Which professors went there? And when? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 How do you know, Baba jee lied? It is possible that he might have received wrong information or the manuscript did exist at one point in time.Good point. Just as we do sometimes repeat information that we believe to be true, even though there may be no way of verifying it, it doesn't mean we are telling lies. It's a shame that sikh khoj is the way he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 Pyaray Baba Daya Singh jee - was incarnation of Sri Luv jee Maharaaj (son of Sri Raam Chandar jee Maharaaj).Pyaray Baba Dharam Singh jee - was incarnation of Bhagat Dhanna jee Maharaaj.Pyaray Baba Mokham Singh jee - was incarnation of Bhagat Naamdev Dev jee Maharaaj How could anyone know that?E.g. did Mohhkam Singh ji do anything Bhagat Namdev ji did? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) How could anyone know that?E.g. did Mohhkam Singh ji do anything Bhagat Namdev ji did?Bro, it is mentioned in Gurbilaas paatshahi 10, which is written by Bhai Koer Singh jee. It is also mentioned in Gurbani Path Darpan, which is written by Srimaan 108 Sant Gyani Gurbachan Singh jee khalsa Bhindrawale.Bhul chuk maaf Edited July 2, 2015 by paapiman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 It doesn't make it true.I am not against the idea of reincarnation or souls incarnating like this but there needs to be some evidence for it, some kind of clues that point to that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 It doesn't make it true.I am not against the idea of reincarnation or souls incarnating like this but there needs to be some evidence for it, some kind of clues that point to that.There is one clue. It might be a little anti-gurmat. Their castes were the same.Pyaray Baba Daya Singh jee - was incarnation of Sri Luv jee Maharaaj (son of Sri Raam Chandar jee Maharaaj). --- KhatriPyaray Baba Dharam Singh jee - was incarnation of Bhagat Dhanna jee Maharaaj --- JattPyaray Baba Mokham Singh jee - was incarnation of Bhagat Naamdev Dev jee Maharaaj --- ChimbayBhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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