mahanpaapi Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 respected paapiman ji, regardless of what is truth or not, what right or not, i humbly suggest please try not carry and avoidable unnecessary negative karmic burden forward. BhagatSinghji, Sukritkaur ji, das ji and others are your well-wishers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maha.Maha.Mahapappi x 101 Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 You are sew right.......... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 All I have learnt so far is that we should always keep an open mind, never jump to conclusions right away, do not accept nor reject right away, weigh it on the scale of Gurbani, gather the good qualities to carry you forward and leave behind the ones that hinders our progress.Nindeya is very tricky and slippery slope, i personally have not understood the concept of nindya, some say its nindya only when its false, but how do we know its false, some say even bringing out augan is bad, as God hides everybodys faults, we should try to be liek God,...must tread with caution...sometimes it might be the truth others times not so much. So gotta be careful...as for the Ghor Mantar Sadhana, Guru Nanak Ji already mentioned Asankh Malesh Mal Bakh Khaaye... countless malesh eat dirt and nasty stuff... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) some say even bringing out augan is bad, as God hides everybodys faults, we should try to be liek God,...Bro, you have a good point, but it also depend on the case. Exposing someone, for the benefit of others is not slander. For example, if there is a child molester in the town. You know about him, but the townsmen don't. Will you still hide his fault or make people aware of his character? Do you want an innocent child to potentially become his victim, because of your mum?Bhul chuk maaf Edited August 18, 2015 by paapiman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) ^That is also slander.People do bad shit. Doesn't mean you should ruin their lives. The criminal can be locked away and even rehabilitated - all done privately.You don't need to inform anyone but the authorities.What if you thought they were a criminal but in reality they did no crime?What if in reality they are innocent?Now by telling everyone and making a false accusation unknowingly, you ruined their life. That stain cannot be removed. You have to avoid slander at all costs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHpFyDzzZGk "My mom died thinking I was a rapist" Edited August 18, 2015 by BhagatSingh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) ^That is also slander.People do bad shit. Doesn't mean you should ruin their lives. The criminal can be locked away and even rehabilitated - all done privately.You don't need to inform anyone but the authorities.What if you thought they were a criminal but in reality they did no crime?What if in reality they are innocent?Now by telling everyone and making a false accusation unknowingly, you ruined their life. That stain cannot be removed. You have to avoid slander at all costs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHpFyDzzZGk "My mom died thinking I was a rapist" What if, one knows for sure that the person is a molester?Yaar........bro, do you think that the authorities can always keep an eye, on that molester?Slander has to be avoided at all cost, but at times, facts need to be revealed for the safety of others.Bhul chuk maaf Edited August 18, 2015 by paapiman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 People do bad shit. Doesn't mean you should ruin their lives. The criminal can be locked away and even rehabilitated - all done privately. Paaji, even Satguru jee, at times, exposed impostors in front of other people. He could have done it privately too, but awareness had to be created for the benefit of others.Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 some say even bringing out augan is bad, as God hides everybodys faults, we should try to be liek God,...Raagmala paaji, the above is applicable in many normal cases. Like for example, if one knows that a person does not do his nitnaym daily or secretly drinks alcohol or watches porn, etc; there is no need for one to expose him in front of any other person. These types of faults should be kept hidden.But, in serious cases, where innocent people's lives can be affected, one needs to be careful. For example, what will you do if you know (for sure), some impostor is swindling money from innocent sangat? Will you expose him or not?Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I agree, if someones life or respect is in danger, or susceptible to abuse, then the authorities should be reported & people at risk maybe informed.example, if you have a uncle who sexually abused you and will do so in future to others, he shall be exposed in family as well as reported to Authorities.If the guy personally swindled money , and you have a good proof, not only expose but report to authorities.But again, tread cautiously, benefits must outweigh risks.Its kinda like white lie vs truth. example, A white lie to a butcher may save the life of a cow...but the truth about where the cow is , might lead to murder of the cow by the butcher.So obviously, here Daya/Compassion takes precedence, and trumps over speaking truth. Similarly, life is all about choices and weighing them on the scale. Rest is upon individual understanding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted December 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Please listen to Gyani Inderjit Singh jee Raqbewale exposing another disgusting act used by some impostors, to influence people. This one involves human feces, cardamoms and a Ghor mantar. Daas reckons (not 100% sure) that Gyani jee has made a reference to Dera Sacha(so-called) Sauda (headed by Gurmeet Ram Rahim). Please listen after 2:00 min: http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/why-muslims-dont-eat-karah-parshad-and-details-on-other-types-of-parshad/ Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 On 8/17/2015 at 2:18 PM, paapiman said: Babu Sawan Singh might be a Brahamgyani or a guru for Radhaswamis, but the fact is he engaged in "Ghor mantar Sadhna". Due to this act, he will not be considered a Brahamgyani according to Gurmat. People even called Gurbachna Narakdhari (who used to insult SSGGSJ), as guru. Bhul chuk maaf And here I thought the definition of a Brahamgyani is one who no longer knows separation, but is merged completely with the divine. Meaning there can not be a "Brahamgyani according to..." because as soon as you suggest that, it automatically makes the statement that the word is only a label as Bhagat Singh Ji said that you have been 'pasting on someone's forehead and removing from others'. It's not a label. It's not just some prestigious title given to someone who is charismatic by one sect or another Sukhmani Sahib says that "ONLY a Brahamgyani can know the state of a Brahamgyani" So, Paapiman are you a Brahamgyani? No?? Then then please don't go around thinking you are qualified to make statements of who is or isn't. (by the way - A TRUE Brahamgyani would also never admit to it out of pure humbleness anyway ...so you would NEVER know. Others will never know. If someone is being LABELLED as a Brahamgyani... chances are they are probably not! They may be spiritual and seen as charismatic by one group or another, but if they are revelling in that label, then they are operating from Ego and they are NOT a true Brahamgyani.) barahm gi-aanee kee gat barahm gi-aanee jaanai. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted December 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 3 hours ago, Guest said: And here I thought the definition of a Brahamgyani is one who no longer knows separation, but is merged completely with the divine. Meaning there can not be a "Brahamgyani according to..." because as soon as you suggest that, it automatically makes the statement that the word is only a label as Bhagat Singh Ji said that you have been 'pasting on someone's forehead and removing from others'. It's not a label. It's not just some prestigious title given to someone who is charismatic by one sect or another Sukhmani Sahib says that "ONLY a Brahamgyani can know the state of a Brahamgyani" So, Paapiman are you a Brahamgyani? No?? Then then please don't go around thinking you are qualified to make statements of who is or isn't. (by the way - A TRUE Brahamgyani would also never admit to it out of pure humbleness anyway ...so you would NEVER know. Others will never know. If someone is being LABELLED as a Brahamgyani... chances are they are probably not! They may be spiritual and seen as charismatic by one group or another, but if they are revelling in that label, then they are operating from Ego and they are NOT a true Brahamgyani.) barahm gi-aanee kee gat barahm gi-aanee jaanai. Are you a registered member of this forum? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 On 8/18/2015 at 11:51 PM, paapiman said: Bro, you have a good point, but it also depend on the case. Exposing someone, for the benefit of others is not slander. For example, if there is a child molester in the town. You know about him, but the townsmen don't. Will you still hide his fault or make people aware of his character? Do you want an innocent child to potentially become his victim, because of your mum? Bhul chuk maaf Except that bringing up something that may or may not have happened many years ago, in order to stir hatred towards a certain group (in this case Radhaswamis) just because someone heard someone say that once upon a time a scholar said so and so did this - your real motives are not to warn everyone about a person who once existed long ago as that person (whether or not they did what you claimed) is no longer around so nobody needs to be warned about them right? The ONLY motive I can see in your post is to cause members on this forum to have hatred and contempt towards Radhaswamis in general. Like hey once upon a time they did this so the entire group is bad type of thing. It's not very mature of you. And agreed to guest above, that none of us here are qualified to label someone a Brahamgiani or not. Instead of trying to spread hatred and contempt and divisions why not focus on your own bhagti and do more simran? Leave it up to the Brahamgianis to recognize who is or is not a Brahamgiani! Ang 273 Guru Arjun Dev Jiਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਜਾਨੈ ॥Barahm gi▫ānī kī gaṯ barahm gi▫ānī jānai.Only the God-conscious being can know the state of the God-conscious being. Ang 148 Guru Angad Dev Ji ਨਾਨਕ ਪਰਖੇ ਆਪ ਕਉ ਤਾ ਪਾਰਖੁ ਜਾਣੁ ॥ Nānak parkẖe āp ka▫o ṯā pārakẖ jāṇ. O Nanak, if someone judges himself, only then is he known as a real judge. And before you ask this is first time I am here at this site. I saw this post as most recent so I read it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted December 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 16 minutes ago, Guest said: Except that bringing up something that may or may not have happened many years ago, in order to stir hatred towards a certain group (in this case Radhaswamis) just because someone heard someone say that once upon a time a scholar said so and so did this - your real motives are not to warn everyone about a person who once existed long ago as that person (whether or not they did what you claimed) is no longer around so nobody needs to be warned about them right? The ONLY motive I can see in your post is to cause members on this forum to have hatred and contempt towards Radhaswamis in general. Like hey once upon a time they did this so the entire group is bad type of thing. It's not very mature of you. And agreed to guest above, that none of us here are qualified to label someone a Brahamgiani or not. Instead of trying to spread hatred and contempt and divisions why not focus on your own bhagti and do more simran? Leave it up to the Brahamgianis to recognize who is or is not a Brahamgiani! Are you 100% sure that the current head of Radhaswamis is not into Ghor mantar sadhna? Creating awareness is different from spreading hatred. No one has spread hatred in this topic. A Sikh would respect a Radhaswamia, if he is a good human, regardless of his beliefs. If you want to eat someone's feces, go ahead and do so. IMHO, you should not, but it's your personal choice. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 52 minutes ago, paapiman said: Are you 100% sure that the current head of Radhaswamis is not into Ghor mantar sadhna? Creating awareness is different from spreading hatred. No one has spread hatred in this topic. A Sikh would respect a Radhaswamia, if he is a good human, regardless of his beliefs. If you want to eat someone's feces, go ahead and do so. IMHO, you should not, but it's your personal choice. Bhul chuk maaf The alleged incidents took place a very long time ago, if they took place at all. Bringing up things which are long past and may or may not have happened does nobody any good now in the present. Second point, feces is quite literally everywhere. You can not avoid it. If you have ever drank water or eaten anything in Delhi or any other large city in India, you have a HIGH chance of fecal particles being in your food no matter what you do! Go to a restroom, there are fecal particles in the air and you are breathing them in! Eat any sort of grain, there are insect feces in there! I could go on. If you want to avoid it all together, you will need to live in a sterile bubble sorry to say. But writing about something that you can't even prove happened a long time ago, to make one group seem bad, is not very Sikh like. It's apparent when you switched the conversation from the original to brahamgianis making the statement that only brahamgianis labeled as such by taksals are genuine. But the truth is that only a brahamgiani can know a brahamgiani. Nobody can give it as a label. But you are here saying this person is and this person isn't. You could only do that if you were a Brahamgiani yourself and then, your humbleness would prevent you from openly making the statement that you were and you would not point out others anyway. Sikhi is inward journey. Not outward. It's not about show, or who is recognized by who or who has which labels. A true Brahamgiani would walk right by you and you would never know. Your concern should be with your own journey and not that of others. Never mind what they do. I see a lot of your posts on here are about Bahamgianis as if you are obsessed. Instead of focusing on what others are or are not, start focusing on your own spirituality. I am saying this as a friend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Dera Sacha Sauda is linked to Radha Soamis. Please have a look below: Quote Dera Sacha Sauda is an offshoot of the Radha Soami Panth from Beas. Its headquarters are in Sirsa, Haryana, India and the current head is Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Insaan. The dera was started by Shah Mastana ji (Khema Mal) of Balochistan who was a disciple of Radha Soami Guru Sawan Singh Ji Maharaj. Unquote [1] [1] - http://www.supremeknowledge.org/dera-sacha-sauda.php Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted December 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 This act of Babu Sawan Grewal (of Radha Soamis) has been documented in multiple Granths, including a Granth written by one of the Bhindranwale Babay. Srimaan Sant Baba Gurdev Singh jee Samadh Bhai (Head of Nanaksar samprada) is also aware of this act. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramgharia Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 i want to ask if any radhasoami follower is here what is so special in your gurumantra that your babaji wispers in your ears. and if you respect bani than why you belive in physical guru? why any amritdhari is not allowed at your dera which is officially registered in guru granth sahib's name? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sat1176 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 2 hours ago, ramgharia said: i want to ask if any radhasoami follower is here what is so special in your gurumantra that your babaji wispers in your ears. Any mantra is only as good as the person who sincerely uses it. You could know the best mantra in the world but if you personally have never put in serious effort with it or got anywhere with it yourself, then what good is it? Before you start looking down on others, if someone were to ask you, "Are you liberated using your own mantra that you are so proud off?" I would be curious to know your response. P.S, I am not a radhasoami, but I do have respect for those who put in serious effort using any kind of mantra. whether it be one word or 5 words long. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted December 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 2 hours ago, ramgharia said: why any amritdhari is not allowed at your dera which is officially registered in guru granth sahib's name? Are the Amritdharis, not allowed to meet their guru or not permitted on their premises at all? Thanks Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted December 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 There was another Impostor, who would meet with Amritdharis, but would ask them to take off their Kirpan and Kara. His technique (or whatever he did) did not work, if a person wore these two Kakkars. Kakkars protect us from many evils. Dhan Dhan Dhan Bajjanwale Sri Satguru jee Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 On 12/17/2015 at 4:46 AM, paapiman said: Dera Sacha Sauda is linked to Radha Soamis. Please have a look below: Quote Dera Sacha Sauda is an offshoot of the Radha Soami Panth from Beas. Its headquarters are in Sirsa, Haryana, India and the current head is Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh Insaan. The dera was started by Shah Mastana ji (Khema Mal) of Balochistan who was a disciple of Radha Soami Guru Sawan Singh Ji Maharaj. Unquote [1] [1] - http://www.supremeknowledge.org/dera-sacha-sauda.php Bhul chuk maaf This website belongs to Rampal ...another thug...who is considered a Guru by his followers..he has been having friction with the arya samajis these days 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 1 hour ago, jaikaara said: This website belongs to Rampal ...another thug...who is considered a Guru by his followers..he has been having friction with the arya samajis these days Paaji, what about the information? Is it incorrect? Thanks a lot Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 31 minutes ago, paapiman said: Paaji, what about the information? Is it incorrect? Thanks a lot Bhul chuk maaf How do we know bro , i have seen their other blogs and they talk a lot about different people ..all i know is i am not ok with ninda..if you think its not suitable then just leave it . I call this man a thug which is ninda in a way but i feel he should stick to himself than go around and talk bs. .go through other links he says anyone who calls God formless if incomplete. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted December 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 This is from the Sacha Sauda website itself. If Shah Mastana jee also practiced Ghor mantar sadhna, it would be no surprise, as he was a disciple of Babu Sawan Grewal. Quote It was only later that His Holiness Huzoor Baba Sawan Singh Ji Maharaj honored him with the name of “Shah Mastana Ji”. Unquote[1] [1] - http://www.derasachasauda.org/shah-mastana-ji-maharaj Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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