Being Born Female Is Karmic Punishment?

[Guest]

This is Satkirin

Sukrit Kaur Bhanji,  There is nothing saying you have to be married, or that you can't live alone. I have lived alone for last 15 years, with a full career.  No domestic homemaking for me.

Seeker, there are no restrictions in Sikhism on women at all.  Some specific sects of Sikhism have limited women from the one most important seva (I think men just need something to keep to themselves so they always have that one thing to say they can do that women can't - I think they are actually jealous of not being able to give birth.... however if they knew the pain and danger associated with it - pain levels that can reach higher than any other thing the human body can go through and still remain conscious - I don't think they would consider it a privilege anymore but instead a curse).  Anyway Das mentioned just reading the Sikh holy book and go by that nothing else... That's what I do.  I pay no attention to specific sects or their different rules or supposed 'traditions'.  I follow the base teachings only which is called Gurbani.  I find it very silly that Paapiman says that female body is incapable of making amrit (the 'nectar' he mentioned for baptism which is basically water with sugar in it) It consists of the five most spiritually active SIkhs in the congregation being selected to prepare it, and it involves being in a certain pose for awhile, and stirring the amrit with a sword called a khanda while reciting the proper prayers around it.  Sugar puffs are added to the water.  And then it is sprinkled on the initiates hair, eyes and they drink it.  The basic code of conduct for baptized Sikihs is also told to the initiates at this time... and even these rules differ between sects because they can't agree on them.  But even the sects which disallow women to be part of these five chosen, their own code of conduct doesn't actually say that women can't. It's just sort of carried on as tradition and nobody can come to an actual consensus as to why.  Some say that women gave away their equality with men on the day that the first baptism took place because no women volunteered to give their life on the spot.. only 5 men did.  However, the way I look at it, is from the holy book - Gurbani, which says gender is not even real, it's part of this illusion. So the souls that volunteered that day just happened to be men. Since ALL souls are the same and genderless, then any soul can be one of those five.  Gender is inconsequential.  Any roadblocks you encounter in life because of being female, were all created by humans only - some initated by men, some continued because of women (sometimes we are our worst enemy).  But just remember that you can do anything and accomplish anything. Some things might be more difficult physically than if you were a man, but other things might be easier mentally (multitasking etc) as those extra hormones actually enable us to deal with more things at once... that includes complex things like multiple math equations at once while men can only deal with a single task at one time.  It has nothing to do with physical differences in the brain as Paapiman stated but in how the chemical processes work. And these differences do not mean one is spiritually lower than the other.  They are only required because as a 'sexual' vs asexual species we need to reproduce with each other.  And this happened because if we were asexual (no gender) then everyone would essentially be a clone and genetic anomalies would ensue.  So it was only to be able to have a diverse population. 
As I said, any limitations IN ANY RELIGION, was the result of human thinking and not God's.  Follow only Gurbani (Sikh scripture) and not rules of different sects. They can't speak for everyone.  And there ARE sects that DO allow women to be part of the Panj Pyaras and they HAVE baptized people and the world didn't end...

Actually its funny... I am kind of in the same boat as you.. only I was called a man in drag because I chose to tie a turban.  But turban is supposed to be for both male and females... and I was feeling so low I actually took the insult as a compliment because I felt like being a female was becoming limiting because of these things imposed on us by the  men.  Then I realized, that these limitations were created by humans and not God.  If you feel limited somewhere - go elsewhere where you are appreciated more.  But don't give up on spirituality ever... I know without a doubt God is real.

 

 

[CdnSikhGirl]

AKJ does allow women as Panj Pyaras... for the same reasons you quoted above.  I have been to AKj Samagam where there was an Amrit Sanchar and two out of the five were Bibis.  This was in Toronto Canada.  

And in Srinagar Kashmir there have been Amrit Sanchars with women as Panj Pyaras... they are not specific Jatha though, they just follow Sikh Rehet Maryada. And I am about to take Amrit there actually ;) and not from five men.  

[Singh123456777]

Admins I think we have already discussed these types of topics enough. Close this thread before Satkiran and paapiman get into a fight again.

[CdnSikhGirl]

Don't worry I am on vacation and have no interest in engaging him.  I just wanted that girl to know that not all Sikhs oppose women in Panj Pyaras so that she did not receive only one viewpoint.

[paapiman]

 

Same time Another incident that creates doubts in my mind and force me to think that females can be the  part of panj pyaare is that incident when wife of bhagat kabir ji gave naam to a king.So If she could give  naam then why females can't be the part of panj pyaare as it's the same ceremony of giving naam to a person.

 

 

Sister, you have a good point, but the jugtee (technique) through which Mata jee gave naam daan was different. There was no khanday wala amrit at that time. Obviously, females, once they reach Brahamgyan can give naam daan too. There is no doubt about it.

A female/transgender/disabled body is incapable of being part of a process, where Khanday wala amrit is produced. Details will be provided later.

Bhul chuk maaf

Edited August 19, 2015 by paapiman

[CdnSikhGirl]

Paapiman are you saying that being a female is a disability?  

And what about the soul 'stuck' in that incapable body?  It is the same as the soul in a male body is it not??  So why did they end up in a body which is incapable?  Is it due to past karma then??  You are comparing women to people who are disabled and have gender identity disorders... both are disabilities or 'something wrong' so you are saying that a woman's body inherently is disabled or has something wrong with it.  So the seeker is right we are being punished to be born female for something we have done wrong?  There is no other explanation as to why we would be born into these limited incapable bodies. How should we explain to young daughters that their body is incapable, disabled, has something wrong with it that they can never fix? Is this not a very unhealthy view of gender which will only cause SInghs to look down at Singhnis with contempt and disgust, or at the very lest look at themselves as being superior? 

And how do you explain how there have been females who have taken part in Amrit Sanchars as Panj Pyaras then??  If there IS a way females can give naam, then why can't they draw on that during Amrit Sanchar?  
 

[paapiman]

Hello, I have been interested in Sikhism for while, but something someone explained to me here (I'm in London UK) was that Sikhism sees being born as a woman as a punishment for past karma? He told me that women need to be reborn first as a male before they can become 'liberated'? What does this mean?

He said because even Sikhism, which says that women are treated as equals, really they are not.  There are always limitations placed on women, and any limitation at all compared to men, means that to be born a woman is a punishment.  He said that something in a girl's past life, caused her to be born into a female body where she must navigate life with less strength, less ability, less intelligence (he actually said that), and less privileges as compared to men where she is to be seen as simple, domestic minded, and kept from leadership and prominent roles in society.  

Obviously in the west, women have been given close to equality, but have not attained it fully.  

Some people say that is just a different role compared to men, but any role which has less privileges to another, must have been because of past karma then? 

Is this the position of women in Sikhism? I know it's like that in Hinduism, and I think Jainism? Where men think that women are born in that body because of punishment. 
Are there things in Sikhism that men can do that women are not allowed?  An if so, is it because women are beneath men because of karma and that a woman will have to be reborn as a male before she can attain liberation?

Forgive me if I didn't make sense, I am new learning about it.  

Interesting point by Sukrit Kaur jee. Please have a look

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For example:

If a person has to reach a particular place,then he needs a vehicle to travel the distance.let assume there are 4 ones.

Ist one gets a chance to travel in a mercedes.

2nd one gets a chance to travel but can't get a seat.He has to travel the entire distance without much comforts.

3rd one gets chance to travel without any vehicle.He gotta walk on feet.

And fourth one doesnt even get a chance .

Here I take 1st one as male human,2nd one as female human,3rd one as any physically handicapped one or any transgender.

And last one any organism except human.

So Every one will prefer to be the first one.

But it doesnt mean if Ist one is provided with all facilities then definitely gonna reach the destination.He may face an accident.

And In same manner 2nd or 3rd ones can reach their destinations even having difficulities.

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Bhul chuk maaf

[Crystal]

AKJ does allow women as Panj Pyaras... for the same reasons you quoted above.  I have been to AKj Samagam where there was an Amrit Sanchar and two out of the five were Bibis.  This was in Toronto Canada.  

And in Srinagar Kashmir there have been Amrit Sanchars with women as Panj Pyaras... they are not specific Jatha though, they just follow Sikh Rehet Maryada. And I am about to take Amrit there actually ;) and not from five men.  

please dont try to confuse sangat. AKJs are not a puratan samparda...whatever they do doesn't define sikhi in its true form. Even if akjs had respect for dasam granth I would still consider them maleech as they are a newly formed jatha. 

 

I would never take amrit from akjs let alone a woman...if guru Gobind Singh wanted women in thepanj he would have, only men stood up. Stop trying to change sikhi to suit your belief s. 

 

Didn't one of the akjs panj in the UK have their son star in a gay porno? What can we learn from these people ..nothing but how to restrict your sexual nature thus becoming a closest homo. 

Please dontdont rrefer to akjs in the future as they are pakhand.

Crystal

[paapiman]

On 8/17/2015 at 5:57 AM, Seeker said:

 

I was interested in reading more about sikhism because it says men and women are equal, but if there are any limitations that is not equal then? 

Sister, ask God, why did he make females (on average) physically weaker than men? After all, he could have given them the same physical strength (on average) as men. Why did he make our brains different?

Gender equality is an unscientific principle. Sikhism does not go against science. Having said that, science is still way behind Sikhism.

Also, there are certain groups in Sikhism which allow women to be part of Panj Pyaray, but it is against the tenets of Sikhism. These groups sprang up in Sikhism, many years after tenth master of Sikhs had gone. The so-called official code of conduct for Sikhs does not ban women from being part of Panj Pyaray, but that document has not been accepted by all groups.

Bhul chuk maaf

[Guest Satkirin (work)]

Crystal, I would never take Amrit from a group which only allowed men, as I would feel it was making me bow to men as being superior to me when Gurbani says God is in both male and female form equally.  It would make me feel like my only way to spiritual progression was to have men dragging me along like a lost child like I can't do it on my own.  Like I am incapable or something. I am taking Amrit in only 2 weeks in Srinagar.... not from AKJ either.  ALL of the gurdwaras there follow only Sikh Rehet Maryada, and the SInghs there do not harbour so much hatred towards women and actually support them!  There have been women multiple times in Panj Pyaras there, and they are following SIkhi to the fullest, pure Sikhi... using Gurbani as their guide. And Gurbani does not place any restrictions on any human. I dont mind if they happen to be all male, but I would flat out refuse to ever take Amrit out of principle, if males across the board enforced no women in Panj Pyaras.  You say that Guru Gobind Singh Ji didn't want women in Panj... but how do you know?  Absence of proof is not proof of absence or even intent.

Paapiman, You just categorically stated that women are beneath men. But Gurbani says that all are equal, so how do you rectify this? Why should women even follow Sikhi if Sikhi is pushing them into an inferior role and seen as somehow defective compared to men?  How is this any different than casteism which Hinduism perpetuates?  Hinduism states that being born in a handicapped body or low caste or as a woman are result of bad karma. While being born in a high caste male body means that soul had good past karma.  So they use this to justify treating low caste and women badly as they see it as just part of those people's dharma - their punishment is to endure that life.  However, not one place in Gurbani states anything about a human body being karmic punishment or that one is worse than the other.  And our Gurus very loudly spoke against this!

And when speaking of spirituality physical strength has nothing to do with it.  There are many spiritual paths in the world that claim women are actually closer to God by default than men.  Because women more easily give of themselves selfless service comes easier... they are more in tune with the pain of others and so they are more apt to show empathy and compassion, the virtues of God. Yes this can also create more attachment (emotionally) but not necessarily... because it can work when she sees the world as a whole instead of individuals then she has compassion for the ALL and not single entities.  Does that make sense?  Men on the other hand are more agressive, more driven to conquer and dominate due to testosterone levels. ALL major wars in the world were created by and fought predominantly by men, for no other reason than greed and domination.  If this is not attachment to Maya then I don't know what is!  So while women are more attached emotionally, men are definitely more attached materialistically.  We both have our faults and we both have our advantages.  Men's advantage is physical strength... again this links them more to physical than spiritual level though.  Women's strength is mental and in being born already closer to God as she can more easily show compassion and empathy and give of herself selflessly from the get go while males have a much harder time swallowing their pride and humbling themselves.  So both have obstacles, and both have advantages. Using your analogy, it's more like one has a Honda and one has a Toyota.  Both vehicles can get there more or less at the same pace.  One might have more creature comforts while the other might have better mileage... but they both can do the same top speed.  Being born a woman is NOT a punishment, and was never meant to be.  Some prefer a Toyota and some prefer a Honda.  And many spiritual paths believe that we as souls actually CHOOSE which form to be born in.  Maybe for the challenge or whatever... maybe for other reasons.

Women are the vessels by which spirits are brought into the world. A sperm has no soul.  Only once conception occurs is there a soul. So males are incapable of bringing souls into this world... this world which is absolutely necessary towards unfolding consciousness and spiritual progression. Remember the entire universe is basically ONE entity God evolving consciously - experiencing itself through these many eyes.  The female form is means by which these forms are created.  There was once a time, when women were actually seen as superior to men simply because of their creative powers, which was seen as possesing some pf the power of God.  Did you know its proven scientifically, two women can actually produce a baby without a male because the female egg cell can be converted to take the place of the male sperm.  Two males however can not do this. There is also proof that the Y chromosome is declining over time - think about what that means! Eventually males will cease to exist and the entire human race will be female! (NOW who will perform Amrit Sanchars? Maybe it should be all women!)

"You need a Y chromosome to be male. Three hundred million years ago the Y chromosome had about 1,400 genes on it, and now it's only got 45 left, so at this rate we're going to run out of genes on the Y chromosome in about five million years. The Y chromosome is dying and the big question is what happens then."  Professor Graves, Geneticist, Australia Academy of Science

"A Japanese team has managed to bypass natural barriers, generating apparently normal mice by mixing the DNA of two mouse eggs. They did this by reprogramming one of the eggs to act more like sperm.

Unfertilized mouse eggs can divide in the lab, but these embryos can't form a placenta and die soon, and a missing male element is thought to cause this. Each chromosome carries genes, specifically activated or deactivated in connection with their inheritance from the mother or the father. Both maternal and paternal activations are required for a mammalian fetus for a healthy development.

The Japanese researchers led by Tomohiro Kono at Tokyo University of Agriculture in Japan have revealed that once the imprinting issue is bypassed, two normal female mice could produce healthy embryos. 2 important DNA patches involved in paternal imprinting were found on chromosomes 7 and 12.

The team engineered mutant mice lacking the genes involved in the paternal imprinting, allowing the female genome to act like a male one. Immature eggs taken from newly born mutant mice were inserted into the nuclei of normal mouse ovules. With these in vitro "fertilized" eggs started division, forming hollow cell balls of cells called blastocysts, the team inserted them into the wombs of female mice. 27 "bimaternal" individuals survived to adulthood, with a success rate equalizing that of in vitro fertilized human embryos, being healthy and fertile."

This process can not work in males. Now which gender is the superior one? Without women, the entire human race ceases to exist.  Without men however, it can still potentially survive, and with the decline of the genes on the Y chromosome (the chromosome that determines a baby will be male) the future of humans may ALL be female! 

Also, every single male human, their soul was only brought to this world by a woman. (In fact Guru Nanak Dev Ji eloquently REMINDS US OF THIS IN GURBANI) This is the power of creation (a mirror of creative power of God) in a human. It IS possible for a male to CARRY a baby, but it's not possible without a female ovum.  So the key to this creative power is in the female not the male.  So if a woman has the power to create a male body who can function as a Panj Pyara (her body literally BUILDS A MALE BODY from her OWN physical body!), then what can possibly be so 'wrong' with her body that she herself can not do seva as a Panj Pyara? Since she possesses the basic 'stuff' to create the male body to begin with (while the male does not have this in recriprocal ability) if she can CREATE a male child and bring that baby's soul into the world - a soul who can baptize other Sikhs, then she too can.  There is no reason why she can not.

The obstacle is in the male stubborness to accept that all humans deserve to be treated equally and ALL SOULS are equal.  As I said, men have WAY more difficult time swallowing their pride, and humbling themselves, to the point that many males just want to acquire whatever excuses they can to hold over others...and then use their physical strength to enforce it....the whole dominate and conquer thing. Simple Greed. in other words it's only the testosterone speaking.  Simply put men just don't want to share. This applies to you also Crystal.  And you can call me a man in drag all you want... I don`t really care.

I think it is a VERY unhealthy practice to start teaching young Sikh girls that they are in a defective body which is seen as being not only weak physically, but then to have extra limitations placed on them (by males) which has nothing to even do with the physical is wrong.  Do we want to send all Sikh daughters into depressoion or suicide because they think they are worthless compared to boys?  How can you look at your daughter and tell her that she was born into an incapable and limited body?  She may as well just end it all then and hope to be reborn as a male!  This thinking is what Guru Nanak (and all successive Gurus) tried to rid Sikhs of.  The thinking that humans are in some sort of heirarchy in Waheguru Ji's eyes. This thinking only creates contempt in the minds of men towards women, teaching boys from when they are young that their body is 'better' than a girl's body.  That boy will grow up thinking he has all rights over women and his justification will be that well they were born into that bad body for a reason right?  So itthey will think it`s their right as a boy to treat girls bad or at least have privilege over them.  I have never been so disspointed in Singhs as I am right now because of this. 

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ਏਕੋ ਪਵਣੁ ਮਾਟੀ ਸਭ ਏਕਾ ਸਭ ਏਕਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਬਾਈਆ ॥
Ėko pavaṇ mātī sabẖ ekā sabẖ ekā joṯ sabā▫ī▫ā.
There is only one breath; all are made of the same clay; the light within all is the same. 

ਸਭ ਇਕਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਵਰਤੈ ਭਿਨਿ ਭਿਨਿ ਨ ਰਲਈ ਕਿਸੈ ਦੀ ਰਲਾਈਆ ॥
Sabẖ ikā joṯ varṯai bẖin bẖin na ral▫ī kisai ḏī ralā▫ī▫ā.
The One Light pervades all the many and various beings. This Light intermingles with them, it is not diluted or obscured. 

ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਇਕੁ ਨਦਰੀ ਆਇਆ ਹਉ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਿਟਹੁ ਵਤਾਇਆ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥
Gur parsādī ik naḏrī ā▫i▫ā ha▫o saṯgur vitahu vaṯā▫i▫ā jī▫o. ||3||
By Guru's Grace, I have come to see the One. I am a sacrifice to the True Guru. ||3|| 

Too bad so many on here can not see it... it`s your freedom to refuse to look at it if you don`t want to. But for that, I only feel bad for you.
 

[sukrit kaur]

please dont try to confuse sangat. AKJs are not a puratan samparda...whatever they do doesn't define sikhi in its true form. Even if akjs had respect for dasam granth I would still consider them maleech as they are a newly formed jatha. 

 

I would never take amrit from akjs let alone a woman...if guru Gobind Singh wanted women in thepanj he would have, only men stood up. Stop trying to change sikhi to suit your belief s. 

 

Didn't one of the akjs panj in the UK have their son star in a gay porno? What can we learn from these people ..nothing but how to restrict your sexual nature thus becoming a closest homo. 

Please dontdont rrefer to akjs in the future as they are pakhand.

Crystal

OMG! I'm astonished to read your words.

You said you won't take amrit from AKJ's. And Do you know that their technique of giving naam /Amrit was introduced by Bhai Randhir singh and it was instructed by GURU GOBIND SINGH MAHARAJ himself!

If some few people are wrong in any jatha then it doesnt mean that all singhs/people are stupids.

I'm totally astonished and highly disappointed at your words.

Do you know How great Mahapurkhs have been the part of this Jatha or what is their spiritual life??

Do you know how they are filled with love towards their master?

Do you know they read same SGGSJ as other sikhs do?

Do you know how they chant on waheguru??

Do you know about their principles on spiritual life?

Do you know they are the same sikhs who are wearing panj kakaars and are provided with khande da amrit?

Do you know they call themselves son of our same tenth master whom we call as our maharaj?

Do you know they are Same SiKHs of this panth?

Do you know about life of gurmukhs like bhai Randhir singh,bhai Joginder Singh,Bhai Jeevan Singh,Bhai Mohinder singh etc.

So why these words of  slander towards them?

You know Maharaj has instructed us to never do nindya of anyone even of a Paapi.and yOu are doing Nindya of Sikhs??and the sikhs who are trying their best to walk on the path of spirituality?

You don't know bro what  you are earning!

I really had not expected that from a SIKH!!

 

 

 

[Crystal]

Sorry for my harsh words(not really). I piss on bhaursa panth that's my views, you don't like it tough.

 

Any jatha or establishment of sikhi created post British Raj is malech

Edited August 19, 2015 by Crystal

[Crystal]

 

Do you know they call themselves son of our same tenth master whom we call as our maharaj?

My Satgur patshah asked for his Singh's to learn shastar vidiya. He asked us to do shikar. He asked us to take up arms and destroy the maleech. I do not support an establishment who doesn't follow these principles. 

 

I support those who bear arms who visit maharajs hajoori. I support those who take up arms in dharam yudh for a just cause , not for khalistan. I do not support any group who was created after the Anglo Sikh war. 

 

 

Sikhi Is a way of life. About time you maleech scum start hiding under your covers when Jung happens, you won't know what to do. Dhan dhan Satgur Gobind Singh ji for his knowledge of war and making us a chakarvarti fauj. 

Jhatka panth zindabad. 

 

Crystal

Edited August 19, 2015 by Crystal

[sukrit kaur]

Sorry for my harsh words(not really). I piss on bhaursa panth that's my views, you don't like it tough.

 

Any jatha or establishment of sikhi created post British Raj is malech

 

My Satgur patshah asked for his Singh's to learn shastar vidiya. He asked us to do shikar. He asked us to take up arms and destroy the maleech. I do not support an establishment who doesn't follow these principles. 

 

I support those who bear arms who visit maharajs hajoori. I support those who take up arms in dharam yudh for a just cause , not for khalistan. I do not support any group who was created after the Anglo Sikh war. 

 

 

Sikhi Is a way of life. About time you maleech scum start hiding under your covers when Jung happens, you won't know what to do. Dhan dhan Satgur Gobind Singh ji for his knowledge of war and making us a chakarvarti fauj. 

Jhatka panth zindabad. 

 

Crystal

Just ask yourself just one question : 

Will Maharaj accept a son who is saying to pee on his  other son's /sikh's??

BTW I congratulate you for your attitude just filled with ego and hate.

Gur fateh!!

Hope Maharaj Save us!!

Ps:

Can someone tell me meaning of words bhaursa panth and maleech?

 

[Crystal]

Just ask yourself just one question : 

Will Maharaj accept a son who is saying to pee on his  other son's /sikh's??

BTW I congratulate you for your attitude just filled with ego and hate.

Gur fateh!!

Hope Maharaj Save us!!

Ps:

Can someone tell me meaning of words bhaursa panth and maleech?

 

teja Singh bhaursa is your bapppuji.

 

Parkhand kirtani jatha wwss created  after 1900s so to me they are irrelevant. They aren't even Sikhs. Pee? How about shit? smear tutti into the pakhand kirtani jatha just like they are trying to do to the Sikh panth. IWe are soormas not terrorists like the BK and akj....if you believe we are admin cut off. 

 

Crystal

Edited August 19, 2015 by Crystal

[sukrit kaur]

Who was he? And What you mean OUR Bapu ji???

Anyways I'll find that on google.

And this is my final fateh to u veer ji on this topic;

WJKK WJKF!!

Waheguru hi bakshan apne sikhan nu!

 

[sukrit kaur]

I request admin to remove these words! when a non sikh will read it then it's only gonna create bad image about sikhs.These can't be the words of a true sikh.

BTW I dont think If such words are allowed to use about ANYONE on this forum.

teja Singh bhaursa is your bapppuji.

 

Parkhand kirtani jatha wwss created  after 1900s so to me they are irrelevant. They aren't even Sikhs. Pee? How about shit? smear tutti into the pakhand kirtani jatha just like they are trying to do to the Sikh panth. IWe are soormas not terrorists like the BK and akj....if you believe we are admin cut off. 

 

Crystal

you just do ardaas.You have no Idea what you are collecting!

[Crystal]

Couldn't give two shits what you or your pakhand kirtani extremists believe or do. Best thing for all of us is...if all akjs sgpc etc jump into a river.

 

Crystal

Edited August 19, 2015 by Crystal

[sukrit kaur]

There is nothing mine and yours bro.So stop saying your jatha or my jatha.

I personally dont like such words.So better keep these thoughts with u.

Gur fateh!

[sukrit kaur]

If someone had used such words about ANY SIKh/spiritual person irrespective of any jatha,then I would have  done the same!!

 

Edited August 19, 2015 by sukrit kaur

[paapiman]

 

Can someone tell me meaning of words bhaursa panth and maleech?

Sister, please have a look below:

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/16858-thirteen-reforms-of-panch-khalsa-diwan-bhausarias/#comment-150928

Maleech means a neech (dirty) person.

Bhul chuk maaf

Edited August 19, 2015 by paapiman

[das]

teja Singh bhaursa is your bapppuji.

Parkhand kirtani jatha wwss created  after 1900s so to me they are irrelevant. They aren't even Sikhs. Pee? How about shit? smear tutti into the pakhand kirtani jatha just like they are trying to do to the Sikh panth. IWe are soormas not terrorists like the BK and akj....if you believe we are admin cut off. 

Crystal

What a disgrace Crystal. Where did Guru Ji instructed to be bad mouth for girls. Have some shame, you were talking to a female member (Sukrit Kaur) and using such a bad language. Very sad. If you want to debate, first learn to be Human. Isn't Nimrata the first requirement to be on the path of Sikhism??

One should be level minded to know when, where and how to do Jhatka..........Fools are bound to give Jhatka/sudden-stock to their own necks.......so, beware, otherwise Karmas will give a proper Jhatka.

I am NOT sure why Admins have not edited/deleted this crystal's degrading posts.

Edited August 19, 2015 by das

[CdnSikhGirl]

Sukrit Kaur Bhenji .... Crystal is the same person who called me a transvestite and man in drag because I tie a dastaar... All he knows how to do is insult others while boosting his own ego.  Notice how he bad mouths AKJ ? Even Jarnail Singh Bindranwale had high views of AKJ.  And that attitude he has towards AKJ is the same way he sees us Singhnis. In fact the last few days posts saying we are female because we are being punished only shows how they see us.  And by they I don't mean all men or all Singhs before anyone jumps on me... I mean they as in certain Singhs on this forum and they know who they are. No not you Singh12345677$

Edited August 19, 2015 by Satkirin_Kaur

[Xylitol]

Crystal, I would never take Amrit from a group which only allowed men, as I would feel it was making me bow to men as being superior to me when Gurbani says God is in both male and female form equally.  It would make me feel like my only way to spiritual progression was to have men dragging me along like a lost child like I can't do it on my own.  Like I am incapable or something. 
 

human beings, even sevadars in the punj pyare, are not perfect. But they are supposed to be a representation of perfection, that is why they are considered Guru ji's Roop. One should be humble in front of them even if they are from different jathabandye with beliefs different from our own. This is the attitude that I have taken on this matter towards those doing seva with views of other jathebandye. 

Congrats on taking that step to take Amrit.

[sukrit kaur]

Sister, please have a look below:

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/16858-thirteen-reforms-of-panch-khalsa-diwan-bhausarias/#comment-150928

Maleech means a neech (dirty) person.

Bhul chuk maaf

I gave a look..So I've found that he had nothing to do with AKJ.Bhai Randhir singh were strictly against him.So then why he(crystal veerji) is trying to say that he is bapu ji of  AkJ??? Isnt a big lie?? Or To say/claim whatever one wants to attack a particular Jatha??

What a disgrace!