MENSTRUATION = FEMININE, GODDESS

[CdnSikhGirl]

I would recommend a trip to your doctor if it's that bad Bhenji. It's not normal to be in pain... U might have endometriosis or something... 

[GurpreetKaur]

8 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

It never existed because the women who did do sewa were aware of Maryada involved. Nowadays any Tammy, Debbie and Harriet think they have the right to change to anything they want in Sikhi because they want their feminism to be in control of everything. We have seen how deluded feminists are already talking of being able to produce children without men in addition to their "men have oppressed women since Adam" propaganda.

 

 

Don't worry. It's that white saviour mentality that make these people think that only they have the answers.

Chatanga ji, Who created the Maryada is the question and which Maryada is the right one? Before you start calling me feminist either, I am careless about doing seva. I can do it at home or some other place so my question is a genuine one. 

[chatanga1]

8 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said:

Some of us... actually most of us are dying during first day. Why do you think women take drugs to ease the pain. You are just proving guys right when they say women are faking it. Medical issue, diet issue or hormonal issue bottom line is women go through crap during their periods.

I used to work with a girl who had a condition where her fallopian tubes would swell up during her period. She would be off work for those days when it was really bad. When she did come back every now and again she would be masssaging her lower stomach/groin area. She was very open about it though.

 

8 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said:

 Let some people be happy with their belief and you can be happy with your belief. 

Feminazis can't be happy unless they have everything their own way.

[paapiman]

This issue has been discussed in the past, on this forum. Please have a look below.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[chatanga1]

4 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said:

Chatanga ji, Who created the Maryada is the question and which Maryada is the right one? Before you start calling me feminist either, I am careless about doing seva. I can do it at home or some other place so my question is a genuine one. 

 

Sis the maryada that comes from the Samprdayes are the correct ones (IMO) and all the later altered maryadas are the products of man-made changes to fit in with their own understanding.

[paapiman]

2 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said:

Chatanga ji, Who created the Maryada is the question and which Maryada is the right one? Before you start calling me feminist either, I am careless about doing seva. I can do it at home or some other place so my question is a genuine one. 

Sister, Maryadas have been made by the Almighty Waheguru or Gurmukh Brahamgyanis. Sampradas (blessed or stared by Maharaaj) have some differences in Maryadas, but they are all right.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[CdnSikhGirl]

43 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said:

Let some people be happy with their belief and you can be happy with your belief. 

That's the problem. They won't. Remember when Hari Singh Randhawa entered a non Taksali gurdwara in Canada trying to tell the women they were impure dirty during menstruationand could not do seva? He did that in a non DDT gurdwara and all hell broke loose. He was trying to push Taksal ideology at non Taksalis. It didn't work but he was still trying to tell them they were wrong and he was right.  

I don't care if specific sampardas do whatever they want, I won't enter their gurdwaras. That's my choice. But as long as they don't try to run things and dictate what happens at our most holy and well known place like Harmandir Sahib. Otherwise I will have to avoid there too out of principle. (Because why would anyone want to go somewhere where they feel uncomfortable? And I would feel huge uncomfortable going somewhere I know that all the Singhs see me as dirty and inferior. Like maybe women should walk around with a scarlet letter on us or something denoting us as gross inferior and less than... That's how it feels to me being in presence of these supposed Singhs who think women are dirty and impure and deserve less rights in Sikhi... Like I am walking around with a big letter I for inferior in their eyes. Like I am embarrassed to be a female... And it would take away from my spirituality. So I prefer to stay places where women are seen as same level as the men. In Kashmir we are... In fact they already fought it out with DDT who tried to encroach there and said they are not interested.) 

 

[paapiman]

@N30 S!NGH - Bro, can we lock this topic? The menstruation issue has already been discussed on this forum before. Rest is your choice. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurpreetKaur]

15 minutes ago, CdnSikhGirl said:

I would recommend a trip to your doctor if it's that bad Bhenji. It's not normal to be in pain... U might have endometriosis or something... 

 Naw, Iron level is low so working on it. Just a tip, I know you wanted my better health but never say to someone go to doctor you might have this. Since mind is so creepy powerful, sometime it takes one thought to manifest some thing in reality and of course negative stuff most of the time lol. If you say this to someone who is not into mind crap that person will start worrying about really having this and that and it can impact him or her a lot. 

[CdnSikhGirl]

Why is it that any topic which the Singhs feel strongly about regarding women get locked once they think they made their point? If they disagree certain members start screaming till the post gets locked, even when the original people discussing it do so sanely... 

It obviously needs to be discussed because:

1 in original times hygiene products were less and not easily available, meaning the Maryadas of that time were based on what the women at that time had available and not taking into account advances. 

2 because of advances the meaning behind the original no longer holds true

3 the question is impurity vs dirtiness. If original Maryadas were viewing periods as impurity then Gurbani actually speaks against this. If it's only dirtiness then modern hygiene addresses it. Meaning that the original 'rules' should no longer hold. 

So yes it needs to be discussed because we've got nowhere with it. To close threads because the Singhs disagree and think it needs to be pushed back under the rug makes a bad statement. That the forum won't tolerate discussion on anything that tries to right wrongs against women. Can you imagine if it were men told they can't do something? They'd scream blue bloody murder about it. 

These discussions NEED to happen if there is to be any change. Sikhi sees women and men as equal and there should be no needless unequal rules applied to women only. If a Sikh male or female is physically capable of any seva they should not be stopped from doing it. Period. This is what I truly believe our Gurus taught. Rest is male ego. 

[chatanga1]

What can anyone achieve in this life if they put their own principles above the sacred darshan of Sri HariMandir Sahib?

Such a waste of 18 years.

[GurpreetKaur]

16 minutes ago, CdnSikhGirl said:

That's the problem. They won't. Remember when Hari Singh Randhawa entered a non Taksali gurdwara in Canada trying to tell the women they were impure dirty during menstruationand could not do seva? He did that in a non DDT gurdwara and all hell broke loose. He was trying to push Taksal ideology at non Taksalis. It didn't work but he was still trying to tell them they were wrong and he was right.  

I don't care if specific sampardas do whatever they want, I won't enter their gurdwaras. That's my choice. But as long as they don't try to run things and dictate what happens at our most holy and well known place like Harmandir Sahib. Otherwise I will have to avoid there too out of principle. 

 

That was not so mature of him, let me google him and find the videos.

[CdnSikhGirl]

8 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said:

 Naw, Iron level is low so working on it. Just a tip, I know you wanted my better health but never say to someone go to doctor you might have this. Since mind is so creepy powerful, sometime it takes one thought to manifest some thing in reality and of course negative stuff most of the time lol. If you say this to someone who is not into mind crap that person will start worrying about really having this and that and it can impact him or her a lot. 

Actually it's really common and not anything to be super worried about. It's one of the most common causes of pain during periods and can be treated. I only mentioned it because why suffer??? I would never accept being in pain as normal... Yes I meant it as wanting to help you because you don't have to suffer...

[GurpreetKaur]

54 minutes ago, paapiman said:

@N30 S!NGH - Bro, can we lock this topic? The menstruation issue has already been discussed on this forum before. Rest is your choice. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

42 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

What can anyone achieve in this life if they put their own principles above the sacred darshan of Sri HariMandir Sahib?

Such a waste of 18 years.

45 minutes ago, CdnSikhGirl said:

Why is it that any topic which the Singhs feel strongly about regarding women get locked once they think they made their point? If they disagree certain members start screaming till the post gets locked, even when the original people discussing it do so sanely... 

 

You three start getting along. 

[CdnSikhGirl]

4 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said:

 

 

You three start getting along. 

I have chatanga blocked so I only see his posts when you or others quote him. I had to do that awhile ago because of how he was treating me. so if he argues now, he's arguing with himself because I can't see what he posts. I used to have Paapiman blocked as well and only unblocked him so I could post counter to some of his ridiculous posts which might give new people wanting to find out about Sikhi, the wrong ideas. (Menstruation being one). 

[das]

Admins: I guess it would be appropriate to ban these kind of topics......Meat, DasamGranth, Menstruation, Man-vs-Women, or any other This-vs-That.........it's so irritating when this is all you see on the forum.

I guess we all do have better things to do........I admit that when I'm free, I do come to this forum, but these topics are so energy-draining.....obviously, I do have the option not to see it, but I don't know what the creator of these topics get by uselessly arguing over it. It seems like these days everyone (including me) is posting just THEIR own views and then defend THEIR own views.....why we're concentrating so much to teach OTHERS while we ourselves are illiterate (who works on the borrowed knowledge).

Get over it guys and girls. Please spare us all. Raab de vastee.....

[CdnSikhGirl]

17 minutes ago, das said:

Admins: I guess it would be appropriate to ban these kind of topics......Meat, DasamGranth, Menstruation, Man-vs-Women, or any other This-vs-That.........it's so irritating when this is all you see on the forum.

I guess we all do have better things to do........I admit that when I'm free, I do come to this forum, but these topics are so energy-draining.....obviously, I do have the option not to see it, but I don't know what the creator of these topics get by uselessly arguing over it. It seems like these days everyone (including me) is posting just THEIR own views and then defend THEIR own views.....why we're concentrating so much to teach OTHERS while we ourselves are illiterate (who works on the borrowed knowledge).

Get over it guys and girls. Please spare us all. Raab de vastee.....

Banning these topics means you just don't want to talk about it.  Then nothing changes, and if there are injustices being done, nothing ever happens to fix them because everything thinks the topics should be banned. Can you imagine if lets say the idea of sati, if nobody was allowed to speak against it, and all the men wanted everyone to just shut up about it, women would be still throwing themselves into funeral pyres. Telling women they cant do seva while menstruating is an injustice. Keeping ALL women from important positions such as Granthi, or disallowing ALL women to ever sit on tabiya (never take hukamnama, never participate in Akhand Paaths etc) because women menstruate, is a HUGE injustice. If things we do go against Gurbani, I don't care who's personal rehetnama it is, Gurbani IS directly words from the Gurus! NO REHET MARYADA is direct word of our Gurus! ONLY GURBANI IS! We should NEVER sweep issues under the rug, just because we don't agree with them and want the others to shut up. In a stale mate, use Gurbani to support it. Gurbani trumps RMs. (And any TRUE RM would never disagree with Gurbani... right?)

Many of you stated it has nothing to do with "purity" but instead about just hygiene and cleanliness... what does Gurbani say about cleanliness (as it pertains to religious duty)??

Page 56, Line 1
ਬਿਨੁ ਅਭ ਸਬਦ ਨ ਮਾਂਜੀਐ ਸਾਚੇ ਤੇ ਸਚੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੧॥
Bin abẖ sabaḏ na māʼnjī▫ai sācẖe ṯe sacẖ ho▫e. ||1||
Without the Holy Water of the Shabad, they are not cleansed. From the True One alone comes Truth. ||1||

In other words you can Ishnan as much as you want but without shabad....

Page 91, Line 4
ਸਚੁ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਕਰਣੀ ਕਾਰਾਂ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਨਾਉ ਜਪੇਹੀ ॥
Sacẖ sanjam karṇī kārāʼn nāvaṇ nā▫o japehī.
Make Truth your self-discipline, and make good deeds the lines you draw; make chanting the Name your cleansing bath.

There you go, a menstruating Bibi all she has to do is chanting naam.... and that is her cleansing bath.

Page 121, Line 13
ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਸੈ ਮਨ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮੈਲੁ ਚੁਕਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੮॥੧੯॥੨੦॥
Nānak nām vasai man anṯar gurmukẖ mail cẖukāvaṇi▫ā. ||8||19||20||
O Nanak, the Naam abides deep within the minds of the Gurmukhs, who are cleansed of all their filth. ||8||19||20||

Naam abiding in one's mind cleanses ALL things considered "filth"

Page 200

ਅਨਿਕ ਜਲਾ ਜੇ ਧੋਵੈ ਦੇਹੀ ॥

Anik jalā je ḏẖovai ḏehī.

The body may be washed with loads of water,

ਮੈਲੁ ਨ ਉਤਰੈ ਸੁਧੁ ਨ ਤੇਹੀ ॥੨॥

Mail na uṯrai suḏẖ na ṯehī. ||2||

and yet its filth is not removed, and it does not become clean. ||2||

 

Page 265

ਸੋਚ ਕਰੈ ਦਿਨਸੁ ਅਰੁ ਰਾਤਿ ॥

Socẖ karai ḏinas ar rāṯ.

You may practice cleansing day and night,

ਮਨ ਕੀ ਮੈਲੁ ਨ ਤਨ ਤੇ ਜਾਤਿ ॥

Man kī mail na ṯan ṯe jāṯ.

but the filth of your mind shall not leave your body.

 

Even the tuk used by many to say that Ishnan in morning (as in bath with water) is required, but if you read what it says it's not actually speaking of a physical water and soap bath....  (please note I advocate a bath every day for personal hygiene but I don't think that is what this is referring to...)

ਉਦਮੁ ਕਰੇ ਭਲਕੇ ਪਰਭਾਤੀ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਕਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰਿ ਨਾਵੈ ॥

Uḏam kare bẖalke parbẖāṯī isnān kare amriṯ sar nāvai.

Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar.  (this does not sound like a soap and water bath to me)

ਉਪਦੇਸਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪੈ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਦੋਖ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਵੈ ॥

Upḏes gurū har har jap jāpai sabẖ kilvikẖ pāp ḏokẖ lėh jāvai.

Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased.  

(aha! And the next line as usual, reveals as much!)

 

Furthermore, trying to remove "pollution" by washing your physical body is fruitless.... 

Page 331

ਜਲਿ ਹੈ ਸੂਤਕੁ ਥਲਿ ਹੈ ਸੂਤਕੁ ਸੂਤਕ ਓਪਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥

Jal hai sūṯak thal hai sūṯak sūṯak opaṯ ho▫ī.

There is pollution in the water, and pollution on the land; whatever is born is polluted.

ਜਨਮੇ ਸੂਤਕੁ ਮੂਏ ਫੁਨਿ ਸੂਤਕੁ ਸੂਤਕ ਪਰਜ ਬਿਗੋਈ ॥੧॥

Janme sūṯak mū▫e fun sūṯak sūṯak paraj bigo▫ī. ||1||

There is pollution in birth, and more pollution in death; all beings are ruined by pollution. ||1||

 

If "perceived" pollution is everywhere, then why worry about a few drops of blood??

Page 414, Line 17
ਅੰਤਰਿ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਸਾਚੁ ਪਛਾਣੈ ॥
Anṯar nāvaṇ sācẖ pacẖẖāṇai.
One who cleanses himself within, knows the True Lord.

 

And, I'm going to post the next tuk as a spearate post because it's the ONE which should put ALL OF THIS TO REST!!! 

[CdnSikhGirl]

Page 484, Line 15
ਸਾਚਾ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Sācẖā nāvaṇ gur kī sevā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
The true cleansing bath is service to the Guru. ||1||Pause||

 

For all of you who think Bibis are dirty during menstruation, it says the TRUE cleansing bath is SERVICE (SEVA) TO THE GURU!!!!!

So how can you ignore Gurbani, and say that a Bibi is dirty and is unfit to do seva at that time?? You are directly ignoring Gurbani! 

 

[chatanga1]

1 hour ago, GurpreetKaur said:

You three start getting along. 

 

Although I don't agree with Paapiman on some things, he doesn't place his own intellect as being above the Guru. My beloved asat does as she has shown consistently in the past, but she has now said that Sri HariMandir Sahib darshan is beneath her as no women are allowed to do sewa there. How could you get along with someone who thinks her feminazi principles are superior to Sri HariMandir Sahib?

[amardeep]

Now people are just going about in circles discussing topics that have already been discussed and using same arguments over and over again. Nothing new is added so the topic will be closed.

For readers who want to know more about the subject you  can search for previous discussions on this forum.

 

[SAadmin]

To those who are whining why this topic is locked:

We are way being too lenient, all though we clearly don't have to as if you look at  other forums- first of all they won't approve controversial messages from guest let alone allow one guest (original op) with five different ids to post. We knew op guest using five different ids but we let it still slip through hoping we can discussion at the topic hand, to be fair we did. We wont allow this forum to go into vicious same cycle of arguments and topics. To uphold integrity and quality of forum, we have to lock certain repeated topics more quicker than others so that other discussion like gurbani vichar, meditation- naam simran, self help, self improvement, self reflection etc could take place. 

[Guest guest]

8 hours ago, CdnSikhGirl said:

 And I would feel huge uncomfortable going somewhere I know that all the Singhs see me as dirty and inferior. Like maybe women should walk around with a scarlet letter on us or something denoting us as gross inferior and less than... That's how it feels to me being in presence of these supposed Singhs who think women are dirty and impure and deserve less rights in Sikhi... Like I am walking around with a big letter I for inferior in their eyes. Like I am embarrassed to be a female... And it would take away from my spirituality. 

 

this means your spirituality is based on what other people think of you (or what you think other people think of you).  this is essentially not a good way to think.