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Just now, BhagatSingh said:

Ganesh ji isn't a man. Ganesh is Gan - Ishwar. Gan are bhakts. Ishwar means God. Ganesh is the God of Bhakts from the Ganpatya religion.

And Kabir ji had a normal birth.

Ganesh jee is a demi-God too, who was created by Mata Parbhati jee.

Bhagat Kabeer jee Maharaaj's birth was miraculous. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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2 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Ganesh jee is a demi-God too, who was created by Mata Parbhati jee.

I'm guessing you think Mata Parbati is some woman who lives in India.

And waheguru is a dude in a turban and beard.

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Bhagat Kabeer jee Maharaaj's birth was miraculous. 

Everyone's birth is miraculous. The fact that you can get a human out of a sperm and egg, is a miracle.

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Just now, paapiman said:

Bro, it is possible for a fool to take Gurbani in the wrong direction too. We should discuss these concepts, without looking down upon the physical act of procreation. No one should demonize legitimate sex. 

 

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Legitimate and illegitimate ...definations have changed with time .in the 90s a live in relationship was not taken in a good way however now its accepted

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Just now, BhagatSingh said:

Everyone's birth is miraculous. The fact that you can get a human out of a sperm and egg, is a miracle.

His mother was either a virgin or a widow. She got a boon (of Putarvanti) from Srimaan Swami Ramanand jee Maharaaj. She abandoned Bhagat jee, due to fear of society. He was later adopted by Muslim parents. Bhagat jee's mother was of Brahmin ancestry.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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1 minute ago, jaikaara said:

Legitimate and illegitimate ...definations have changed with time .in the 90s a live in relationship was not taken in a good way however now its accepted

Paaji, legitimate or Illegitimate, according to Gurmat, not man made laws.

 

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Just now, paapiman said:

She got a boon (of Putarvanti) from Srimaan Swami Ramanand jee Maharaaj. She abandoned Bhagat jee, due to fear of society.

Why did she get a boon to have a kid when she knows people will judge?

Then she abandons the kid.

What kind of an irresponsible woman is this?

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6 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

Why did she get a boon to have a kid when she knows people will judge?

Then she abandons the kid.

What kind of an irresponsible woman is this?

Bro, she did not ask for it. She did sewa and Bhagat Ramanand jee uttered the boon (which had to come into fruition as he was a Brahamgyani). Guess, it was the will of Almighty Waheguru.

It is a bit similar to the incident in Mahabharat, when Mata Kunti jee tells the Pandavs to share whatever they have brought. She did not knew, that Arjan jee had won Draupadi jee in a Suwambhar. She would not have had uttered that statement, if she knew what they had brought. As a result of this bachan, Draupadi jee was married to all 5 Pandav brothers. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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12 minutes ago, paapiman said:

His mother was either a virgin or a widow. She got a boon (of Putarvanti) from Srimaan Swami Ramanand jee Maharaaj. She abandoned Bhagat jee, due to fear of society. He was later adopted by Muslim parents. Bhagat jee's mother was of Brahmin ancestry.

 

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All this is just created to satisfy caste concious minds that Bhagat Kabir ji was of hindu origin.

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Just now, jaikaara said:

All this is just created to satisfy caste concious minds that Bhagat Kabir ji was of hindu origin.

The story is accepted by Taksaal brother. Most likely, it was narrated by Gyani Inderjit Singh jee Raqbewale too. Gurparsaad, will try to post the audio reference, if found.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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7 minutes ago, paapiman said:

The story is accepted by Taksaal brother. Most likely, it was narrated by Gyani Inderjit Singh jee Raqbewale too. Gurparsaad, will try to post the audio reference, if found.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yes veera ..but is there any research to prove this ? Kathaavachaks recite traditional Kathas and proving this is not their view.

Now for example in Shastar Naam Maala Guru Maharaj says " Narsingh Bauddha Tuhi, Tuhi Jagat ko Saar " what does this prove? The belief that Buddha was an Avatar was existing in Guru Maharaj's time ..the Neo Buddhists challenge this statement also mentioned by Hindus  . However as a poet was it Guru Maharaj's interest to check the genealogical sources of Buddha ? Guru Maharaj composed as according to the belief then.

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1 minute ago, jaikaara said:

Yes veera ..but is there any research to prove this ? Kathaavachaks recite traditional Kathas and proving this is not their view.

Gurparsaad, will look into this issue and report back.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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Just now, paapiman said:

Gurparsaad, will look into this issue and report back.

 

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Remember one thing veera ..acceptance is one big issue..now when it came to Sri Krishan's story you accepted that He engaged in sexual acts but when it came to the Guru's you were reluctant . You arent ready to accept that as a human it is possible for the Gurus to engage in procreative processes. But we should keep it in mind that there would be someone who will have utmost faith and his feelings could be hurt with such statements.

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14 minutes ago, jaikaara said:

Remember one thing veera ..acceptance is one big issue..now when it came to Sri Krishan's story you accepted that He engaged in sexual acts but when it came to the Guru's you were reluctant . You arent ready to accept that as a human it is possible for the Gurus to engage in procreative processes. But we should keep it in mind that there would be someone who will have utmost faith and his feelings could be hurt with such statements.

Bro, if there was no evidence present, then the story would have been different. We have evidence in the form of Baba Nand Singh jee's bachan.

There is another sakhi, related to one of the sons of Sri Satguru jee (Third Master). Most likely, it is recorded in a historical granth too. It deals with procreation, without physical sexual activity. Baba jee was able to impregnate his wife, using his vision power. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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25 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Bro, if there was no evidence present, then the story would have been different. We have evidence in the form of Baba Nand Singh jee's bachan.

There is another sakhi, related to one of the sons of Sri Satguru jee (Third Master). Most likely, it is recorded in a historical granth too. It deals with procreation, without physical sexual activity. Baba jee was able to impregnate his wife, using his vision power. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Ik gal dass ..how did Baba Nand singh ji know ?

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Just now, paapiman said:

Baba jee was a Gurmukh Brahamgyani. 

 

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So ? why was He discussing physical relationships ? I dont understand what does Brahmgyan have to do with how did the wives of Gurus become pregnant.

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48 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Bro, if there was no evidence present, then the story would have been different. We have evidence in the form of Baba Nand Singh jee's bachan.

I think Baba Nand Singh ji was trying to convey that Baba Nanak was Hari-swaroop.

I don't think he was saying that he didn't have sex.

13 minutes ago, jaikaara said:

So ? why was He discussing physical relationships ? I dont understand what does Brahmgyan have to do with how did the wives of Gurus become pregnant.

Because sometimes people need to hear these stories so that they become more attached to the characters in the story, in this case it is the Gurus.

Other hindus do this as well. It's a general trend in india to make everything appear miraculous and extraordinary.

However there is a trap here that we need to be careful of.

In focusing on the extra-ordinary, one might become attached to the the extra-ordinary and miss the very ordinary hukam of waheguru that is happening in the here and now.

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23 minutes ago, jaikaara said:

So ? why was He discussing physical relationships ? I dont understand what does Brahmgyan have to do with how did the wives of Gurus become pregnant.

Maybe he was answering someone's question or rectifying an incorrect statement, regarding Satguru jee. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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Just now, paapiman said:

Maybe he was answering someone's question or clarifying an incorrect statement, regarding Satguru jee. 

 

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I dont know how to react to this ...i dont question the awastha of the Sant, i know its a common answer in Indic religions. I feel it is absurd to question private lives of the people we look to and then just camouflage it with some divine looking answers.

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9 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

I think Baba Nand Singh ji was trying to convey that Baba Nanak was Hari-swaroop.

I don't think he was saying that he didn't have sex.

Because sometimes people need to hear these stories so that they become more attached to the characters in the story, in this case it is the Gurus.

Other hindus do this as well. It's a general trend in india to make everything appear miraculous and extraordinary.

However there is a trap here that we need to be careful of.

In focusing on the extra-ordinary, one might become attached to the the extra-ordinary and miss the very ordinary hukam of waheguru that is happening in the here and now.

Yes you are right ..yaar this is too much of an inquisitive nature...right from morning breakfast to peeing and potting ..people want answers for everything ..the physical form isnt the focus..the focus is the bachans from where we derive what we would call knowledge.

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On 4/8/2016 at 6:18 PM, BhagatSingh said:

This is the same way Guru Gobind Singh ji was experiencing grief over the death of his family and Singhs, while being detached.

Bro, Sri Satguru jee might have been in grief over the loss of his Singhs (whom he loved more than his sons), but never over his sons. Maharaaj is the destroyer of attachment (Mukanday). He happily sacrificed his family for the Panth. There were more than 20 members of his family, who scarified themselves for the Panth.

Sri Ram Chandar jee cried multiple times in his lifetime, which is understandable as he was only an incarnation of a demi-God. One cannot compare him with the Almighty Waheguru.

 

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5 hours ago, paapiman said:

Bro, Sri Satguru jee might have been in grief over the loss of his Singhs (whom he loved more than his sons), but never over his sons. Maharaaj is the destroyer of attachment (Mukanday). He happily sacrificed his family for the Panth. There were more than 20 members of his family, who scarified themselves for the Panth.

Sri Ram Chandar jee cried multiple times in his lifetime, which is understandable as he was only an incarnation of a demi-God. One cannot compare him with the Almighty Waheguru.

1. As per Guru Granth Sahib, Ram Chandra ji is Waheguru. There is no difference. We've argued this point before and we can argue this point more if you wish. But it is absolutely clear in Guru Granth Sahib, there is no distinction between Ram and Waheguru and Hari, Narsingh, Narayan, Krishna, etc (pg1082). And I think you know this very well, or at least you should by now, but you are too attached to your previously held views and paradigms to integrate this knowledge.

2. Guru Sahib experienced loss (cried) over everyone including his sons, and those who were close to them. Grief comes to those who have a physical body. We have taken a human birth, in order to experience the range of emotions a human experiences. That is the way Waheguru has created it. It is a gift. It is a boon. However those who are attached to Waheguru, experience grief differently than those who are manmukh. They experience a different dimension to grief.

That is why saying that "Ram Chandra ji and Guru Gobind Singh ji didn't experience grief" is also accurate. Because the nature of "grief" was transformed into something of a spiritual nature.

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