paapiman Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Warning: Sexually explicit material below. Daas will kindly request sangat, below the age of 25 or people who are greatly affected by Lust, to stay away from this discussion. Please forgive me for being explicit. Request to Mods/Admins: - Please do not allow Guest posts in this topic - Please do not tolerate any insults of Gurbani - Please do delete any off-topic posts Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted April 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Background Info: Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted April 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Please read the Charitar: Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) First thing that comes to mind: A willingness to destroy and kill oneself rather than being caught for something and facing the consequences A willingness to cause maximum destruction to other people to avoid taking responsobility for ones own actions The willingness to destroy one's own near and dear (the son/daugther) for the sake of pleasuring a stranger Extreme violence being the answer to everything She appears to be quite an angry person! Edited April 9, 2016 by amardeep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 It also shows how one has to delve further and further into sin to cover up the initial sin. Like we say in Panjabi " ek jhoot lukoun lae sau jhoot bolne pende ne". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted April 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 The below link (true story) is related to the Charitar above. A Mother beats her son to death. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) Also look at her reaction prior to declaring she wants to become a satee. She lies and blames others for what have happened and provides a solution to the situation that will render her a hero but the result is the destruction of herself. Does'nt that sound like what modern day politicans are doing: Lies and blames others for problems and take no responsobility for what have happened Bring up a solution that only creates more problems- but it renders you a hero The solution does'nt solve the problem but it does destroy the country as a result. Just look at the European refugee crisis of Afghans, Iraqis and Syrians these days. It's a result of the decade long bombing of their respective countries that have fuelled the ground for the collapse of these countries. The politicians lie about facts and dont take any responsobility and refuse to acknowledge that their own policies in the region is a huge part of the problem. They try to come up as heroes one way or the other - little does it help - but in the long run the modern day nation states will collapse due to the heavy amount of people coming. And destruction will occour through increased right wing radicalization that will lead to further violence. Edited April 9, 2016 by amardeep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) I dont think these endings are there to convey a message as such. I think they were put there to 'misguide' the reader into thinking that these stories are actually regarding sex and illicit relations whereas , - as we can see with all the charitras so far - they contain deeper messages of human conduct, politics, governance etc.. If it is a message that sums of the charitra then it does'nt make any sense either since this charitra did not have anything to do with telling secrets and gossiping afterwards. Edited April 9, 2016 by amardeep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Like the quote of Jesus i've posted earlier: I speak in metaphors to confuse the masses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurpreetKaur Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Naww.. We can put all sort of spins on it and can make them look like whatever we want. But some people will take everything literally below is the example and other examples are over there too. if main purpose of all these charitars are to explain us human's mind and their behavior then we should have men being the main character and doing something awful too. It's like the whole light is on women and it's for men so they can learn how women works. Now I get other women's point on this forum. Lol 3 hours ago, paapiman said: The below link (true story) is related to the Charitar above. A Mother beats her son to death. Bhul chuk maaf a 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted April 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 1 minute ago, GurpreetKaur said: Naww.. We can put all sort of spins on it and can make them look like whatever we want. But some people will take everything literally below is the example and other examples are over there too. if main purpose of all these charitars are to explain us human's mind and their behavior then we should have men being the main character and doing something awful too. It's like the whole light is on women and it's for men so they can learn how women works. Now I get other women's point on this forum. Lol Have patience sister. Charitars, which expose men, are also there. Please do not listen to heretics and start doubting Gurbani. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurpreetKaur Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 12 minutes ago, paapiman said: Have patience sister. Charitars, which expose men, are also there. Please do not listen to heretics and start doubting Gurbani. Bhul chuk maaf :(.. Okay, I will wait I guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jatro Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 This Charitar also ties in with the re-definition of Sati which the Guru gave. In the Charitar people are leading an essentially evil character to the pyre with much fanfare, not realising that this is not what a Sati is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted April 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 6 hours ago, Jatro said: This Charitar also ties in with the re-definition of Sati which the Guru gave. In the Charitar people are leading an essentially evil character to the pyre with much fanfare, not realising that this is not what a Sati is. Brilliant point Paaji. ANG 787 ਸਲੋਕੁ ਮਃ ੩ ॥ ਸਤੀਆ ਏਹਿ ਨ ਆਖੀਅਨਿ ਜੋ ਮੜਿਆ ਲਗਿ ਜਲੰਨ੍ਹਿ ॥ They are not called Satis, who burn themselves with their husbands 'corpses. ਨਾਨਕ ਸਤੀਆ ਜਾਣੀਅਨ੍ਹਿ ਜਿ ਬਿਰਹੇ ਚੋਟ ਮਰੰਨ੍ਹਿ ॥੧॥ Nanak they are known as Satis, who die with the sheer shock of separation. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 16 hours ago, GurpreetKaur said: Naww.. We can put all sort of spins on it and can make them look like whatever we want. But some people will take everything literally below is the example and other examples are over there too. if main purpose of all these charitars are to explain us human's mind and their behavior then we should have men being the main character and doing something awful too. It's like the whole light is on women and it's for men so they can learn how women works. Now I get other women's point on this forum. Remember that these stories are being told to fit in/around the original scenario. The statement you have made will be answered in due course. Be patient. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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