paapiman 4,529 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 Trying to Sidh a Jaap/Mantar can be very dangerous at times. Daas talked to a Gurmukh (who is of a good avastha) about Gurbani Mantar Sidhi. He mentioned about a person, who became mentally ill, while trying to sidh a Mantar. He had to be cuffed. His head was massaged and he was made to sleep for a long time. After all this, he became better, but did not completely recover from it. From his experience (he is close to 50), in most cases, where people have tried to Sidh a Mantar, it has resulted in a negative impact on the person. One might wonder, how come Gurbani is having a negative impact on a person? The answer is simple. It is not Gurbani, which is at fault, but the limitation of the human body. An ordinary human's body is incapable of absorbing the immense energy released by Gurbani. For example, a person like me cannot maintain the same diet as that of a professional weight lifter. Due to their profession, they are able to digest large quantities of food, which is impossible for a regular person. Similarly, Brahamgyanis/Advanced Spiritual beings can absorb the power of Gurbani, which would be difficult for a normal person/Jagayasu/Spiritual beginner. How does one gain Mantar Sidhi? Jaap of the mantar is done on a daily basis (at specific times) Jaap has to be done with full concentration and love The Mantars should be pronounced correctly Strict hygiene protocols (body and surroundings) have to be followed No type of sexual activity can be performed, during the entire time frame For some Jaaps, one has to face a specific direction Water has to be kept nearby Other specific acts/protocols as mentioned in the Granths There is a big difference in doing an "x" amount of recitations of a Jaap in the above prescribed way, as opposed to doing it otherwise (spreading it out in a day, facing any direction, changing locations, etc). Jaaps, which are done for any worldly desires should be fine. Examples Jaap for a job Jaap to find a suitable life partner Jaap for wealth/health, etc Gurbani Mantar Sidhi (in some cases) must be performed under the supervision of an Ustad (Teacher), who has already acquired the Sidhi. It could be also be done under a Brahamgyani. Daas would like to thank @mrhsinghk, as he was the one who gave me an insight into this very pertinent matter via pm. Thanks Paaji. Bhul chuk maaf 1 mrhsinghk reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paapiman 4,529 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 Having said the above, spiritual capacity will vary from person to person. Some people might have plenty of Bhagti from their previous lives, have spiritually advanced parents, etc. For such people, it might be possible to acquire Sidhis, without the assistance of a guide. The best idea would be to consult a advanced spiritual being or Panj Pyaray, before doing so. Bhul chuk maaf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2016 ??? friend please stop hanging around with confused persons and reading confused books. Gurubani- Guru's teachings is only to do Japa of Naam only. So where then has this other stuff come from? What kind of 'sikh' is doing this stuff and where did they learn it from? e.g. how hard is it to understand a salok from Sukhmani? Wow seems 'sikhs' are doing everything but following actual Guru's teaching. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paapiman 4,529 Report post Posted June 5, 2016 4 hours ago, Guest guest said: Gurubani- Guru's teachings is only to do Japa of Naam only. Gurbani Mantar Sidhi is obtained by Jap of Naam, not by any other means. Bhul chuk maaf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2016 It is pretty clear in SGGS Gurbani Naam can be remembered at all times and states, there are no rules or regulations. So it is not possible that this person went mad if he was reciting Naam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2016 he must have been involved in something else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paapiman 4,529 Report post Posted June 10, 2016 If any person knows of any ways, through which the energy released by Naam Simran can be harnessed/channeled, please do share. IMHO, Yoga might help. Bhul chuk maaf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kundalini Report post Posted June 11, 2016 20 hours ago, paapiman said: If any person knows of any ways, through which the energy released by Naam Simran can be harnessed/channeled, please do share. IMHO, Yoga might help. Bhul chuk maaf object of naam simran itself, is about channeling energy correctly so that you can transform as a Sikh. The guy above in example, must not have been doing japna in gurmat and wasn't focusing mind dhiaan correctly. On 6/6/2016 at 4:15 AM, Guest guest said: he must have been involved in something else. yes guest guest, this guy was doing it correctly. There is absolutely no way that simran will be harmful of degenerative in any way if it is practiced properly with the correct intentions and attitude in line with gurmat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paapiman 4,529 Report post Posted June 11, 2016 There is another sakhi, where a person attains Antarjamta (from a Brahamgyani) and then becomes mentally ill. He starts waving his sword at night. The reason was simple. He had not achieved the spiritual level, to manage that power. Gyani Thakur Singh jee narrated this incident. Gurparsaad, Daas will post the reference, if found. Gurbani has immense power. It is so difficult to look at the sun (a mere demi-God) in the afternoon; just imagine the power of countless suns. Bhul chuk maaf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GurpreetKaur 255 Report post Posted June 12, 2016 2 Sat1176 and paapiman reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasperS 27 Report post Posted June 12, 2016 This is seriously unbelievable. First of all, a Sikh should NEVER do anything for ANY worldly desires. To be frank, this sounds like Hindu superstition. Sikhs don't pray for worldly things or do rituals for worldly desires. Or perhaps dhera concocted stories to create control in the members. And a Sikh is to recite naam with every breath. Remember Waheguru with every beat of your heart every day. One will find Waheguru much easier by ACTION of selfless service. Do seva for others, and remember Waheguru with every breath while doing so. There is no need to count jaaps, sit in certain way, like ritual and superstition. I don't know where you are getting your idea of Sikhi Paapiman, but you seriously need to reevaluate what Sikhi is and what it is NOT. And a person would never go mad doing this. Either it was for show, or something else unrelated happened or its a concocted story. I am really starting to wonder about what is being touted as Sikhi as of late! 1 Mooorakh reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paapiman 4,529 Report post Posted June 12, 2016 @GurpreetKaur - Great video. Thanks sister for sharing. Bhul chuk maaf 1 jaikaara reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarabatam 218 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 Depending on seeker perception towards gurbani, if seekers feel and see gurbani as jagat gyan jot (Pure knowledge/awareness) approach it with no mind-thoughtless/no forna just being one with reciting gurbani or gurbani shabad. It will burn thousands years of conditioning instantly. 1 1 paapiman and Lucky reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrDoaba 62 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 I have heard that when one does a Jaap for someone else's benefit, the initial problem can be transferred to the one doing the Jaap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky 1,844 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 12 hours ago, sarabatam said: Depending on seeker perception towards gurbani, if seekers feel and see gurbani as jagat gyan jot (Pure knowledge/awareness) approach it with no mind-thoughtless/no forna just being one with reciting gurbani or gurbani shabad. It will burn thousands years of conditioning instantly. Gurbani says "janam janam ke kilbikh lathe" ..from countless janams and births,.. the paaps, sins and karams can all be washed away with this one-pointed "No intentions" practice and approach. 11 hours ago, MrDoaba said: I have heard that when one does a Jaap for someone else's benefit, the initial problem can be transferred to the one doing the Jaap. Not always the case. There are various scenarios, but most commonly, if the person doing the jap has a consciousness vibrating at much lower levels than recipient, then they would be more susceptible to suffering the mirror/reverse effect. It also depends a great deal on what the intentions and directions of divine healing are being put forward by the doer. I do my own spiritual healing and have gained much better understanding of how God works in the mysterious ways of maya. 2 MrDoaba and sarabatam reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paapiman 4,529 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 12 hours ago, MrDoaba said: I have heard that when one does a Jaap for someone else's benefit, the initial problem can be transferred to the one doing the Jaap. Yes, that's true. Even, if we do Ardas for someone, his/her problems can possibly be transferred to you. A person needs to have plenty of "Kamai" before he can start doing Jaap or Ardas for anyone else. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Soulfinder reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrDoaba 62 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 7 hours ago, Lucky said: Not always the case. There are various scenarios, but most commonly, if the person doing the jap has a consciousness vibrating at much lower levels than recipient, then they would be more susceptible to suffering the mirror/reverse effect. It also depends a great deal on what the intentions and directions of divine healing are being put forward by the doer. I do my own spiritual healing and have gained much better understanding of how God works in the mysterious ways of maya. Thanks for the info bro, learn something new everyday. Would this also go to include kamaaiye of previous lives? I ask because the recipient in the anecdote I heard was a child. Could you also elaborate on what you mean by intentions and directions? 6 hours ago, paapiman said: Yes, that's true. Even, if we do Ardas for someone, his/her problems can possibly be transferred to you. A person needs to have plenty of "Kamai" before he can start doing Jaap or Ardas for anyone else. Bhul chuk maaf I'm inclined to disagree with Ardas for someone else causing issues. Jaap yes, but not Ardas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paapiman 4,529 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, MrDoaba said: I'm inclined to disagree with Ardas for someone else causing issues. Jaap yes, but not Ardas. Please listen to Gyani Thakur Singh jee for more details. Please start listening from start (first 2-3 minutes): Bhul chuk maaf 1 Soulfinder reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrDoaba 62 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 39 minutes ago, paapiman said: Please listen to Gyani Thakur Singh jee for more details. Please start listening from start (first 2-3 minutes): Bhul chuk maaf Just a point to clarify, so this would only apply when doing Ardas for someone else? (I only listened to first 5mins btw) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paapiman 4,529 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, MrDoaba said: Just a point to clarify, so this would only apply when doing Ardas for someone else? (I only listened to first 5mins btw) What's the other option? Doing Ardas for oneself? If you do Ardas for yourself, for something which is not written in your destiny (and is accepted by Waheguru), then you will loose your own "kamai". Bhul chuk maaf 1 Soulfinder reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfinder 979 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 53 minutes ago, paapiman said: Please listen to Gyani Thakur Singh jee for more details. Please start listening from start (first 2-3 minutes): Bhul chuk maaf Veer ji when i met Gyani Ji a few years ago he told me the same thing for the problems i was having. This is a very good point you have posted 1 mrhsinghk reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfinder 979 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, paapiman said: What's the other option? Doing Ardas for oneself? If you do Ardas for yourself, for something which is not written in your destiny (and is accepted by Waheguru), then you will loose your own "kamai". Bhul chuk maaf Veer ji you won't lose kamai. You will lose everthing doing this sort of stuff. Listen to this track from Baba Harnam Singh Ji Jeevani. It is shocking https://www.sikhnet.com/audio/cure-s-avtar-singh-027 1 mrhsinghk reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfinder 979 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 Also listen to these tracks from Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji's jeevan about ardas only a Mahapurash should do a Ardas http://media.mahapurakh.com/SANT ISHER SINGH JI Rara Sahib/260 Liberating a dead soul with Ardas.mp3 http://media.mahapurakh.com/SANT ISHER SINGH JI Rara Sahib/219 Ghori Di Ardas.mp3 1 mrhsinghk reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrDoaba 62 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, paapiman said: What's the other option? Doing Ardas for oneself? If you do Ardas for yourself, for something which is not written in your destiny (and is accepted by Waheguru), then you will loose your own "kamai". Bhul chuk maaf I will speak to others regarding this as well. It's starting to take on a slightly unusual slant here i.e. a sort of quid pro quo situation, which in my eyes isn't particularly Sikhi-like. Not something I have ever heard before nor is it something which is a widely held belief. Rather discouraging if I'm to be honest. It's more or less obliterated the institution of Ardas. Probably the reason so many Gyanis lose their jobs these days, too many Ardasan... Nevertheless, thanks for your input. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfinder 979 Report post Posted December 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, MrDoaba said: I will speak to others regarding this as well. Do that please and keep us updated thanks. Also my family is from Doaba as well so nice to meet a neighbour from the same region 1 mrhsinghk reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
