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My question is that i get more ras shanti doing my nitnem bani at home and don't really enjoy going to Gurdwara any more as i used to since i have started my doing my nitnem banis at home.

Is this ok cos it is confusing me as i don't understand as i know i am going to Gurdwara is important but i don't enjoy at all nowdays and can't wait to leave.

And plus everyone knows how the system in Uk gurdwara's is.

I don't wanna sound like a nastik cos I believe in Amrit and Gurbani

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Gurfateh

Most Gurdware today have turned into cultural centers for Punjabi diaspora community. It means that there is less focus on spirituality and spiritual progress and more on bringing the punjabis together at a central place. If you go to a white Hare Krishna temple you will notice that they have a different athmosphere. Kids are not allowed at certain times and you have to whisper in order to not disturb the people who are meditating, doing their prayers etc.

However, It is always good to visit the Gurdwara and have Darshan of Guru Granth Sahib and the darbaar, so I would recommend you to go at "odd" hours instead where you know there aren't many people around. And leave the sunday programs aside..

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13 hours ago, mrhsinghk said:

WJKK WJKF 

My question is that i get more ras shanti doing my nitnem bani at home and don't really enjoy going to Gurdwara any more as i used to since i have started my doing my nitnem banis at home.

Is this ok cos it is confusing me as i don't understand as i know i am going to Gurdwara is important but i don't enjoy at all nowdays and can't wait to leave.

And plus everyone knows how the system in Uk gurdwara's is.

I don't wanna sound like a nastik cos I believe in Amrit and Gurbani

Bro, try going to Gurudwaras at Amrit vela. There is less sangat at that time.

Nanaksar Gurudwaras (under Srimaan Sant Baba Gurdev Singh jee) are amazing. There are two in England, one in Southhall and one in Birmingham. Daas would request you to go there (at Amrit vela). Most likely, they have the same schedule as the one in Brampton, Canada. 

2.00 am - 3.30 am - Sri Sukhmani Sahib jee

3.30 am - 4.30 am - Sri Asa kee Vaar Sahib jee

4.30 am - 6.30 am- Kirtan

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

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16 hours ago, mrhsinghk said:

i don't understand as i know i am going to Gurdwara is important but i don't enjoy at all nowdays and can't wait to leave.

I would suggest you to continue GO to Gurdwara during the time when Lot of Sangat is there and Kirtan/Meditations are going on. Here are the very reasons:

  • Even though I agree on the condition of Gurdwaras politics and all that, BUT at the same time, You do have the option to listen-to/sing-with-sangat the Kirtan. Nonone is going to say don't listen/sing; just don't participate anything outside. I know a lot of persons in our local Gurdwara who came in Sangat and listen/sing and then do seva in Kitchen or Jhore-ghar but don't indulge in useless conversations. It depends upon us.
     
  • NOT going to Gurdwara and doing path at home sounds soo good but after a while you will notice that you will start debating on the need of going to Gurdwara, and then you will start missing your Nitnem also; and eventually you will notice that your Spiritual progress has slowed down and stopped. Basically, it is the trap of the Mind/Maya; e.g when a stranger wants to kidnap a child, then first he will attract the child with some sweets and when the child comes under his umberella, then he will execute his evil plans. Same way, the thought of stop going to Gurdwara because of any reason is just a trap because at the core no-one is stopping you to listen/sing the hymns with the sangat.
     
  • The real reason for going to Gurdwara or any other Spiritual place is NOT to have the darshan of God as HE is everywhere; the real reason is the company of the holy (relative as compared to us or say higher in Spirituality); in Sangat there are always some physical persons present whose auras/vibrations are so good that it will encourage you to go higher. Also, keep in mind that in the Sangat Spiritual beings (not in their physical bodies) are present which again help us to go higher in Spiritual path.
     
  • When we sing with the sangat i.e singing in combination will bring many great benefits because of the hidden-transmitters-receivers in the human body. Today, we have lost the knowledge of the importance of the singing the Spiritual hymns in the Sangat and along the Sangat; but if you study Scalar waves, Radionics, may other Universal Laws, and old traditions of Mantar & Tantar; then you will understand the Raw power of singing with the Sangat.

At the end, I personally would suggest the following:

  1. GO to Gurdwara when a Kirtan program is organized and when a LOT of sangat is present. Sing (so that you can hear your own voice) with and along the sangat.
  2. Once in a while do attend the Ardas if you cannot participate every time.
  3. DO seva of Utensils and/or Shoes or any other Seva, but just don't indulge in talking; you can receite Waheguru-Waheguru while doing seva.

Do this for 40 days, and then see the difference yourself.

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21 hours ago, mrhsinghk said:

My question is that i get more ras shanti doing my nitnem bani at home and don't really enjoy going to Gurdwara any more as i used to since i have started my doing my nitnem banis at home.

 

I have felt the same for a long time. I haven't been to local Gurdwara for over 2 months now, but prefer to listen to kirtan and katha at home, in ekant and take laha that way.

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22 hours ago, paapiman said:

Bro, try going to Gurudwaras at Amrit vela. There is less sangat at that time.

Nanaksar Gurudwaras (under Srimaan Sant Baba Gurdev Singh jee) are amazing. There are two in England, one in Southhall and one in Birmingham. Daas would request you to go there (at Amrit vela). Most likely, they have the same schedule as the one in Brampton, Canada. 

2.00 am - 3.30 am - Sri Sukhmani Sahib jee

3.30 am - 4.30 am - Sri Asa kee Vaar Sahib jee

4.30 am - 6.30 am- Kirtan

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

Veer Ji you are right i will try to attend places like Nanaksar or Akj divans as might need a change of scenery.

 

14 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

 

I have felt the same for a long time. I haven't been to local Gurdwara for over 2 months now, but prefer to listen to kirtan and katha at home, in ekant and take laha that way.

Veer Ji i am so happy to read this cos i thought that i was the only one who felt like this, but after reading your feeling i am glad that i am not alone and am happy you have similar views 

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On 20/08/2016 at 1:25 PM, mrhsinghk said:

Veer Ji i am so happy to read this cos i thought that i was the only one who felt like this, but after reading your feeling i am glad that i am not alone and am happy you have similar views 

 

Being in sangat and Guru's Darbar is important, but it HAS to be sangat and Guru's Darbar. Visits to the Gurdwara are more for socialising and family invitations. Very few go because they want to be in sangat and be in their Guru's Darbar. This is why Gurdwaras on Sundays are usually chaotic. It's hard to concentrate your mind in chaos. So you can be there and it doesn't feel like you are sitting in Guru's Darbar at all. Plus there has to be something there to anchor your mind. I find it very hard to listen to kirtan that is not done in raag. Most kirtanis don't care about raag, they want to push a good tune and get cash dollars.

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i find it harder to focus sitting in the back of the gurdwara even on normal days and easier to focus sitting in the front. i feel that the vibes of people at the back are different from the more dedicated people sitting up front. 

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As both Xylitol and Chatanga1 have mentioned the importance of good Sangat, and therefore I would like to expand on that.

I personally have felt the same as you (mrhsinghk) but I was guided by the guides about the spiritual significance of the good sangat. You can do the experiment as follows:

* Go to any Live concert of any singer/comedian/performer/sports/anyevent and enjoy the performance LIVE. At the same time record the entire performance.

Once at home, try to play the same recording event. Do you feel the difference? If you've ever attended a Live concert you will immediately say: Watching and Listening Live is another world, especially if music is involved. Do you know why? Just because of the collective consciousness of the number of people. In Live concert, the Raw emotion of many people are acting as one. It simply means that humans have the capability to tune in their consciousness with another and both gets the benefit.

But again, the requirement is Good Sangat which could also be found in the company of more than one at home; in-fact, the best company/sangat is with oneself (with our own Atma). But there are very few who could enjoy the sangat of self/atma, but rest of us are better off finding a place where there is maximum potential of finding a good sangat and Gurdwara is the best place (relatively) with the max probability of finding a higher level spiritual person with whom we can tune in our consciousness in the huzoore of Maharaj.

At the end, it's always nice to hear the things which subtly we want to hear, but that may or may not be the truth and could be a mere illusion.

das

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On 8/19/2016 at 11:51 AM, das said:

but if you study Scalar waves, Radionics, may other Universal Laws, and old traditions of Mantar & Tantar; then you will understand the Raw power of singing with the Sangat.

 

Bro, can you please provide some more details (relation to spirituality) on Scalar waves and Radionics?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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Scalar waves/energy is produced when two electromagnetic waves of the same frequency are exactly out of phase (180 degrees opposite of each other) and the amplitudes subtract and cancel or destroy each other. Scalar waves can be created by wrapping electrical wires around a figure eight in the shape of a mobius coil. When an electric current flows through the wires in opposite directions, the opposing electromagnetic fields from the two wires cancel each other and create a scalar wave. And this is nothing new, human body is producing scalar waves. At the core, the DNA antenna in our cells' energy production centers assumes the shape of super-coil (series of mobius coils) and are generating scalar waves throughout the cell and throughout the body.

Same way when Ida and Pingula (+ and -) oppose each other. Human body has always been a transmitter and receiver of scalar waves. As we know Human body is able to generate scalar waves automatically, we do have capability to generate intentionally Scalar waves either by pure concentration of mind or by mechanical process (e.g singing in Sangat with concentration). Mechanical method eventually uses the power of mind. In very simple terms, human body is most complex form of machine which has billions of different sub-systems which can produce anything provided one know the technique; at the core it is the Mind power or say, Mind does have the knowledge to produce anything.

Scalar waves occur in 4D and the thoughts also occur in 4D. So, anything is possible: ranging from free-power-source (Free Energy) to Wish-fulfilling (Radionics; mostly used for healing); but at the same time remember that as we (humans) have NOT fully understood the working of Prana (some form of Scalar energy or vice-versa), therefore it carries the risk factor that we're not aware of. Scalar waves does have the capability of destroying the karmas but at the same time also produces more other type of karmas. Its a chain. In other words, we do NOT know what we do NOT know.

At the end, I would suggest that pursuing Radionics and as well as Scalar waves/energy have NO benefit in terms of offering any Spiritual benefit; Just follow your path and let the things happen at normal pace. On the contrary intentional scalar energy does have all the ingredients required to pull you away from real Spirituality. But if you're under the guidance of Spiritual Guru, then he will take care of you; and sometimes will bluntly cut off your experiments for your benefits. Again but sometimes even Guru does NOT interfere in your free-will; it's very complex.

All in all, scalar energy has unlimited potential; e.g water stored in a dam has great potential and if the person (even with real good intentions) does not know how to release water, then he could create disaster.

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There is no doubt that Sangat is very important, but it has to be Saadh Sangat(Sangat of holy men), where praises of Waheguru jee are being sung.

ANG 71

ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੀ ਜਾਣੀਐ ॥

ਜਿਥੈ ਏਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਖਾਣੀਐ ॥

If there are kids playing around, people chirping away, cell phones ringing, sounds coming from langar halls, socialization inside the darbar, people dressed inappropriately, etc, IMHO, one might not gain much there. Some spiritual high people might be fine with it, but most likely, many spiritual beginners would prefer a quieter environment of dedicated individuals. There is a good chance that one might find sangat of such individuals at Amritvela.

Also, large numbers in sangat do not always indicate greater positive vibrations in the air. 

Which one would be better? - A 1000 Manmukhs (like me) in sangat or one Sadhu? The positive vibrations emitted by that one Sadhu will be more than that of hundreds of ordinary men.

Individual preference also comes into play. Some people prefer smaller sangats and are uncomfortable in larger crowds. Nothing wrong with that choice. Sikhism has solutions for different kinds of mindsets.

Even if, one is not able to find any Gurudwara where they find peace, one must never stop going to Gurudwaras (preferably on a daily basis). Bandana (Bowing) to Sri Satguru jee is a form of Bhagti. There are many benefits of bowing to Waheguru jee. Additionally, one can also do Parikaram of Maharaaj jee. Parikarma is a form of seva/worship.

@das - Thanks for the informative post.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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