Lucky Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 On 9/28/2016 at 6:06 AM, JasperS said: Absolutely! There is no doubt! And so is everything else in Creation! Because God is all there truly is. All the trees, the sky, the animals, all humans. The difference between Guru Nanak Dev Ji and us, is that the veil we operate through, which keeps us from realizing the truth has been lifted. He and God were ONE and the same. The body however was still part of the creation. But the consciousness was God fully realized. How does one realize that death is false and conquer it while alive? By realizing the body is NOT the identity. The doer, the awareness which animates us all, is God and only God. I believe this is what the Gurus were teaching us, how to realize this truth. The truth that He IS Me. And to recognize your own self: ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਨ ਊਪਜੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਮੈਲੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ Bin gur parīṯ na ūpjai ha▫umai mail na jā▫e. Without the Guru, love does not well up, and the filth of egotism does not depart. ਸੋਹੰ ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾਣੀਐ ਸਬਦਿ ਭੇਦਿ ਪਤੀਆਇ ॥ Sohaʼn āp pacẖẖāṇī▫ai sabaḏ bẖeḏ paṯī▫ā▫e.One who recognizes within himself that, "He is me", and who is pierced through by the Shabad, is satisfied. ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾਣੀਐ ਅਵਰ ਕਿ ਕਰੇ ਕਰਾਇ ॥੯॥ Gurmukẖ āp pacẖẖāṇī▫ai avar kė kare karā▫e. ||9|| When one becomes Gurmukh and realizes his own self, what more is there left to do or have done? ||9|| ਮਿਲਿਆ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਮੇਲੀਐ ਸਬਦਿ ਮਿਲੇ ਪਤੀਆਇ ॥ Mili▫ā kā ki▫ā melī▫ai sabaḏ mile paṯī▫ā▫e.Why speak of union to those who are already united with the Lord? Receiving the Shabad, they are satisfied. ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਸੋਝੀ ਨਾ ਪਵੈ ਵੀਛੁੜਿ ਚੋਟਾ ਖਾਇ ॥ Manmukẖ sojẖī nā pavai vīcẖẖuṛ cẖotā kẖā▫e. The self-willed manmukhs do not understand; separated from Him, they endure beatings. (by not understanding they remain in the illusion of separation) Excellent! On 9/29/2016 at 6:05 PM, BhagatSingh said: So this understanding you have given in your post, apply it to the Poets in Guru Granth Sahib. This is how the Poets viewed Ram Chandra ji and Krishan ji. Exactly!. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 On 9/25/2016 at 2:18 PM, chatanga1 said: Dear All, I have received this email from a group called "Sikhs helping Sikhs." It is a statement purported to be written by Lord Indarjit Singh. If it is true and it is his own statement, then this is one guy we need to keep an eye on. He is "up there" in government and had a lot of influence on Sikh matters in the UK, upto the point of being involved in formulating Sikh religious studies syllabus. If this is still the case, we should not have people like him in such positions. Is this guy amritdhari? Should put him in a debate with Taksali/Nirmalay scholars and see how much knowledge he has of Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rising Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 3 hours ago, paapiman said: Is this guy amritdhari? Should put him in a debate with Taksali/Nirmalay scholars and see how much knowledge he has of Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj. Bhul chuk maaf wooee.. have a competition 2 c who has more knowledge is really gonna solve something is it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Guest rising said: wooee.. have a competition 2 c who has more knowledge is really gonna solve something is it? If this Lord Indarjit does not have enough knowledge about Gurbani, then he should keep his mouth shut, rather than bark against Gurbani. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wake Up Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 59 minutes ago, paapiman said: If this Lord Indarjit does not have enough knowledge about Gurbani, then he should keep his mouth shut, rather than bark against Gurbani. Bhul chuk maaf The above has to be the biggest ego driven statement I have seen on this site to date! How do you have any right to tell anyone to keep their mouth shut? Maybe you should keep yours shut if all you can do is disrespect others! I would surmise his knowledge far surpasses yours! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 20 hours ago, paapiman said: Is this guy amritdhari? It doesn't matter if he is or not. There are amritdharis like drashan singh, dhunda and ghagga who are justas ignorant or even more ignoran than those who are not amritdhari. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 2 hours ago, chatanga1 said: It doesn't matter if he is or not. There are amritdharis like drashan singh, dhunda and ghagga who are justas ignorant or even more ignoran than those who are not amritdhari. You are right bro. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 On 9/25/2016 at 7:09 PM, Guest Wake Up said: with praise of Hindu deities and denigration of women. There is praise of Hindu deities in Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee too. There is a difference between praising and worshiping someone. Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee praises the deities, but promotes the worship of one and only, Sri Waheguru jee. There is also enough erotica in Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee. Therefore, if people have problems with the above, then Sikhism is not meant for them. They can leave the religion and chose something which suits them better. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 33 minutes ago, paapiman said: There is a difference between praising and worshiping someone. There is no difference. The more you are praising someone, the more you are worshipping them 33 minutes ago, paapiman said: Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee praises the deities, but promotes the worship of one and only, Sri Waheguru jee. In Bhagawad Gita, Krishan ji is synonymous with Waheguru ji. In this book, Krishan ji explain to Arjun - "No matter which God, you worship or praise, no matter which religion you belong to, whatever you pray for, whatever you ask your God for, it is I who will fulfill your prayers." No matter which deity you worship, in reality you are worshipping the only one, who is Waheguru. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tva prasad Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 On 28/09/2016 at 3:20 PM, BhagatSingh said: But when we are talking about Krishna, we are talking about a God in the flesh. Like how Christians refer to Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus is God is but also a historical person. http://www.iskcondesiretree.com/m/discussion?id=2103886%3ATopic%3A2278251 Jesus was incarnation of bhagat dhruv ji. He is believed to be the son of god (Vishnu) in Christianity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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