Sikhi is giaan marg or bhakti marg

[nehkewal]

There are two schools of spirituality - which one do you think sikhi belong to 

Gyaan marg vs bhakti marg

(i) No Symbols of god - he is the universe  vs  God definitely needs a symbol

For sikhs  it has become Saroop of sggs and the confines of gurdwara 

(ii) No rituals are ever needed  vs Rituals are a must

In sikhi context we have started chavar, akahand paths, jot, sukhasan , prakash , expensive palkis , keep the saroop in AC / blankets (e.g I don't keep my phone in AC which also has the same SGGS in electronic format ) 

(iii) Meditation is the only way to find him - Pancha ka gur ek dhyan vs chanting or reciting (while mind is wandering in thorughts) or paying others to recite for you (as in outsourced akhand paths )

(iv) No miracles - only laws of nature which do not discriminate against materialistic person or favor spiritual one vs For  your worldly needs beseech god - e.g cure diseases, pass exams , success in business etc.

(v) No sectarianism - all humanity is absolutely one (Na ko hindu na musalmaan) vs A sect is almost always formed because our ego makes us  gel with people who follow same symbolism  as us , so now we have sikhi becoming a sect and not much of a way to live a full life and cut the cycle of rebirths.  

 

[BhagatSingh]

Both are part of it and both are important.

You are making one look worse than the other through your words. So half the things that you should be doing, you are avoiding. Thus I imagine you are only getting half the benefit from Gurmati.

God has no symbols but also has many symbols, pick a few and stick to them. Pick the images and symbols which appeal to you. Whether it be chakradhar, sharangdhar, kalgidhar, aswadhar, topidhar. ;)

Be Nehkaram while performing karam, choose the right action, moral action, action that leads to results. Do actions together as a community even as simple as e.g. putting Guru Granth Sahib to sleep, so that your consciousness may be united.

Dhyan lagao also pay others to do so Ragis, Pandits, etc. It is important that people earn a living through this and others will get to hear them sing Lord's praises. It is also important to meditate yourself and become receptive to Divine being.

Do not expect miracles but do not be too skeptical and reject or dismiss any miracles. Have faith in God, but miracles also strengthen faith. So believe in that too. They do happen.

Transcend all tribes but be part of one. Everyone needs a tribe. Be part of a tribe, and contribute to it. However big or small that tribe is. Full khalsa or simply a sect hidden somewhere, be a part of it. Do not slander other tribes.

 

Yog (enlightenment) through Gyan (knowledge)/ Karm (action)/ Bhakti (devotion)/ Raj(meditation)... all are important.

[tva prasad]

Just now, BhagatSingh said:

Yog (enlightenment) through Gyan (knowledge)/ Karm (action)/ Bhakti (devotion)/ Raj(meditation)... all are important.

I agree.

@BhagatSingh well said bro. : )

[opal]

11 hours ago, nehkewal said:

There are two schools of spirituality - which one do you think sikhi belong to 

Gyaan marg vs bhakti marg

(i) No Symbols of god - he is the universe  vs  God definitely needs a symbol

For sikhs  it has become Saroop of sggs and the confines of gurdwara 

(ii) No rituals are ever needed  vs Rituals are a must

In sikhi context we have started chavar, akahand paths, jot, sukhasan , prakash , expensive palkis , keep the saroop in AC / blankets (e.g I don't keep my phone in AC which also has the same SGGS in electronic format ) 

(iii) Meditation is the only way to find him - Pancha ka gur ek dhyan vs chanting or reciting (while mind is wandering in thorughts) or paying others to recite for you (as in outsourced akhand paths )

(iv) No miracles - only laws of nature which do not discriminate against materialistic person or favor spiritual one vs For  your worldly needs beseech god - e.g cure diseases, pass exams , success in business etc.

(v) No sectarianism - all humanity is absolutely one (Na ko hindu na musalmaan) vs A sect is almost always formed because our ego makes us  gel with people who follow same symbolism  as us , so now we have sikhi becoming a sect and not much of a way to live a full life and cut the cycle of rebirths.  

 

Both. 

The universe is the creation of God.

All earthly rituals have their origins in the astral world before taking form on the physical world. Earthly rituals emanate from above and beyond. Initially, there, they are formless and exist as energy, as vibration or frequency.

Meditation and chanting, both exist in the spiritual realms too, as Silence and Sound. Yes, even the great Silence has a sound, which can be heard with our inner ears. Tuning in is all that's needed.

Laws of Nature are in fact miracles and truly miraculous. Most miracle workers are blessed from above and beyond. It is no big task for them to perform them. They are the gifted ones and have reached a certain stage of their spiritual evolution.

As far as the last one is concerned...... I am sure you already know the answer. Nothing materialises on the physical without its blueprint in the astral.

 

[amardeep]

See this similiar topic which was discussed a couple of years back

 

[Koi]

Gian sehat bhagti

[jaikaara]

As long as one school of thought does not impose their principles on the other it is all fine. The moment they start behave as modern Sikhs are others are behaving these days then Gian will recede. There is no such hard and fast rule that only meditation will help achieve enlightenment.

Tav Prasaad Sawaiye - Guru Gobindsingh ji says :

ਕਹਾ ਭਯੋ ਜੋ ਦੋਉ ਲੋਚਨ ਮੂੰਦ ਕੈ ਬੈਠਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਬਕ ਧਿਆਨ ਲਗਾਇਓ ॥

Kahaa Bhayo Jo Doau Lochana Mooanda Kai Baitthi Rahiaoa Baka Dhiaana Lagaaeiaoa ॥

कहा भयो जो दोउ लोचन मूंद कै बैठि रहिओ बक धिआन लगाइओ ॥

Of what use it is if one sits and meditates like a crane with his eyes closed.

 

[Liv]

On 11/24/2016 at 1:02 PM, jaikaara said:

As long as one school of thought does not impose their principles on the other it is all fine. The moment they start behave as modern Sikhs are others are behaving these days then Gian will recede. There is no such hard and fast rule that only meditation will help achieve enlightenment.

Tav Prasaad Sawaiye - Guru Gobindsingh ji says :

ਕਹਾ ਭਯੋ ਜੋ ਦੋਉ ਲੋਚਨ ਮੂੰਦ ਕੈ ਬੈਠਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਬਕ ਧਿਆਨ ਲਗਾਇਓ ॥

Kahaa Bhayo Jo Doau Lochana Mooanda Kai Baitthi Rahiaoa Baka Dhiaana Lagaaeiaoa ॥

कहा भयो जो दोउ लोचन मूंद कै बैठि रहिओ बक धिआन लगाइओ ॥

Of what use it is if one sits and meditates like a crane with his eyes closed.

 

Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj! Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj! "Sach Kaho Sun Leyo Sabhai, Jin Prem Kiyo Tin Hi Prabh Paayo!"

[sarabatam]

Good topic, remind me of saying by baba budda ji- Mukh Bhagti, hirde gyan ||

[GuestSingh]

On 11/20/2016 at 7:30 PM, opal said:

Both. 

The universe is the creation of God.

All earthly rituals have their origins in the astral world before taking form on the physical world. Earthly rituals emanate from above and beyond. Initially, there, they are formless and exist as energy, as vibration or frequency.

Meditation and chanting, both exist in the spiritual realms too, as Silence and Sound. Yes, even the great Silence has a sound, which can be heard with our inner ears. Tuning in is all that's needed.

Laws of Nature are in fact miracles and truly miraculous. Most miracle workers are blessed from above and beyond. It is no big task for them to perform them. They are the gifted ones and have reached a certain stage of their spiritual evolution.

As far as the last one is concerned...... I am sure you already know the answer. Nothing materialises on the physical without its blueprint in the astral.

 

Where did you get this giyan from? Are you a Mahapurakh in disguise?

[harsharan000]

Sikhi is giaan marg or bhakti marg?

 

First of all, Sikhi  for a sikh, is a path of the realization of the Highest Truth, or Sat-Nam.

In my opinion, Sikhi is a path of bhakti or prem marg. 

You see, He is Infinite, and gyan is intellectual, so if one wants to realize  Him through gyan, it would be impossible.

That us why the bani says: Sochay soch na hovaee jeh sochee lakh vaar .   

So, even if by lakh vaar, one gets not even an inch closer to Him, can we say then, we would go further and try dus lakh vaar, and realize Him?

Not all are gifted  equally intellectual wise,so, does that mean that those who are dumb or intellectualy poor, can have no chance to get closer to Him?

On the other side, we have heard also : God is love and love is God.  So if He is an infinite Ocean of Love, is it not rational, that by  cultivating that quality of love, or virtue in us, to merge in Him and fulfill our purpose?

Then too, Guru Sahiban have clearly said: 

ਕਹਾ ਭਯੋ ਜੋ ਦੋਉ ਲੋਚਨ ਮੂੰਦ ਕੈ ਬੈਠਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਬਕ ਧਿਆਨ ਲਗਾਇਓ ॥ 
ਨ੝ਹਾਤ ਫਿਰਿਓ ਲੀਝ ਸਾਤ ਸਮ੝ਦ੝ਰਨਿ ਲੋਕ ਗਯੋ ਪਰਲੋਕ ਗਵਾਇਓ ॥ 
ਬਾਸ ਕੀਓ ਬਿਖਿਆਨ*1 ਸੋ ਬੈਠ ਕੈ ਝਸੇ ਹੀ ਝਸੇ ਸ੝ ਬੈਸ ਬਿਤਾਇਓ ॥ 
ਸਾਚ੝ ਕਹੋਂ ਸ੝ਨ ਲੇਹ੝ ਸਭੈ ਜਿਨ ਪ੝ਰੇਮ ਕੀਓ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਪ੝ਰਭ ਪਾਇਓ ॥੯॥੨੯॥

Of what use is it if one sits and meditates like a crane with ones eyes closed. 
he wanders taking holy baths at the seven sacred rivers; he loses both this world and the next. 
He spends his life in sinful tasks and sits and ideals away his life in meaningless pursuits. 
I speak the truth, listen everyone: Only the one who is absorbed in True Love shall attain the Lord. 9.29.

kehaa bhayo jo dhou loochan moundh kai baht raheeo bak dheeian laageeo || 
nhaath firio leeae saat samudhran lok gayo perlok gvaaeeo || 
baas keeou beekhian so baht kay aasay he aasay s bais bithaaeiou || 
saach keho suun laeho sabhay, jin praem keeo tin hee prabh paaeyo ||9|| 29 ||

If  there was any other alternative, be it of gyan, for His realization,  Guru Sahiban, would have never ever stated the lines above.

Through gyan, He is beyond our reach; but through His kirpa, by loving Him, He gets attracted to the jeev atma, like iron to the magnet;  though  even then, it is much more about Him for pulling our strings from within towards Himself, then we doing anything worthy.

But then, that is His wadeeayee.

Then, what is bhakti of any type, is it not a manfestation of love, of prem?

One can be a gyani, but empty of love, on the other side, one can be intellectually  poor, yet full of love for Him, so in the end we should try to plant the seed of love and water it with intense one pointed bhakti, that one day, we may merge in Him.

That is why the Bani, beautifully yet in simple transparent words says: jin Har japeeya, se Har hoeeya.

Jap of His Nam is an aspect, a form, a way to express our love to Him, through which He extends out His powerful arm,  and  merges the drop of our surtee,  in Him, the Infinite Ocean of Love,  by His apaar Kirpa, we become Him, without any distinction.

This is the power of Sikhee, from a stoned nature of ours, by lovingly following Sikhee implicitly, we get purified, to the extent of getting transformed from stone to a flower, and placed at His Lotus Feet, where it ought to be.

Stay blessed.

Sat Sree Akal.

[harsharan000]

 

To those who think by gian one can reach Him, Guru Sahiban clarifies what does gyan means in ruhaniyat.

Dhan Dhan Satguru  Sachay Patsha  Arjun Dev Maharaj  tells us:

Saaee math saaee budhh siaanap jith nimakh n prabh bisaraavai

That alone is intelligence, that alone is wisdom and cleverness,  which inspires one to never forget God, even for an instant.

* Though His words are crystal clear, He says, that alone is wisdom, cleverness or intelligence, through which, we  get inspired to do His bhakti. 

In the end, it His bhakti,  the only means, to reunite ourselves with Him an thus merge in Him.

Sat Sree Akal.