paapiman Posted December 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 13 hours ago, MrDoaba said: Bro do you think Sikhs had Havan at the time of Anand Kaaraj in the past, i.e. do you think they walked around the holy fire instead of SGGS? Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj had rejected this ritual of parikarma around the fire before his marriage, as Agni dev is not our Isht dev. Instead, Maharaaj wrote down the Mool mantar on a piece of paper, placed it on a seat and then did parikarma with Mata Sulakhni jee. Most likely, Sehajdhari Sikhs of the past used fire for parikaram. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted December 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 12 hours ago, MrDoaba said: I see what you mean here. I have heard that mentioned in Katha before. But I'm thinking on a practical level too - in the days of old there were not hundreds of Saroops in circulation, and before that it would have been inefficient for the masses to do Laavan around the human form of Guru Sahiban. The only option would have been fire as it was both familiar to majority of Sikhs and symbolically makes sense - the fire is Parmaatma and the bride and groom make rounds, symbolising making a promise by circumambulating, around the symbolic Parmaatma that they will work together to merge with Him. Well, Sikhs could have written Gurbani on a piece of paper and circumambulated around it. Anyways, you have brought up good points which need to be researched. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDoaba Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 6 hours ago, paapiman said: Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj had rejected this ritual of parikarma around the fire before his marriage, as Agni dev is not our Isht dev. Instead, Maharaaj wrote down the Mool mantar on a piece of paper, placed it on a seat and then did parikarma with Mata Sulakhni jee. Most likely, Sehajdhari Sikhs of the past used fire for parikaram. Bhul chuk maaf Yeah I've heard this sakhi many times before. How historically accurate is it though? My thinking is this: If Guru Nanak Dev Ji had rejected such a big ceremony of the time, surely they would have created an alternative at the time. Logically speaking, it wouldn't have made sense for people to wait until 4th Guru Sahib to compose and solidify the actual ceremony which was to be followed? You say Sehajdhari Sikhs most likely continued to use fire, do you mean the whole Vedic ceremony? Or a modified version of it? After the Laavan were written, did whole Sikh Qaum flock to see Guru Sahib to have their Anand Kaaraj done? I'm thinking about the logistics here. 6 hours ago, paapiman said: Well, Sikhs could have written Gurbani on a piece of paper and circumambulated around it. Anyways, you have brought up good points which need to be researched. Bhul chuk maaf True it's possible, but given the level of Satkaar people would have had for Gurbani in those days (compared to now), I doubt they would be going around writing it on pieces of paper. It's hard to look after one sheet of paper, let alone one that has Gurbani on it. More so given the conditions at the time. Do you know any Namdharis? They might be able to provide some insight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted December 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 28 minutes ago, MrDoaba said: Yeah I've heard this sakhi many times before. How historically accurate is it though? My thinking is this: If Guru Nanak Dev Ji had rejected such a big ceremony of the time, surely they would have created an alternative at the time. Logically speaking, it wouldn't have made sense for people to wait until 4th Guru Sahib to compose and solidify the actual ceremony which was to be followed? You say Sehajdhari Sikhs most likely continued to use fire, do you mean the whole Vedic ceremony? Or a modified version of it? After the Laavan were written, did whole Sikh Qaum flock to see Guru Sahib to have their Anand Kaaraj done? I'm thinking about the logistics here. True it's possible, but given the level of Satkaar people would have had for Gurbani in those days (compared to now), I doubt they would be going around writing it on pieces of paper. It's hard to look after one sheet of paper, let alone one that has Gurbani on it. More so given the conditions at the time. Do you know any Namdharis? They might be able to provide some insight. Daas needs to do more research in this matter. Gurparsaad, will get back to you with more details. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 12/13/2017 at 8:54 AM, paapiman said: Daas needs to do more research in this matter. Gurparsaad, will get back to you with more details. Bhul chuk maaf On this topic, the only way to understand it is get back to scratch on the drawing board. From there, learn what the 5 element are, what they mean what the significance is for FIRE, with regards to creation, sustenance, destruction . When you understand this, then you will understand the significance of all the different rituals for different faiths. Hopefully, you may understand wht the "real' significance and purpose in spiritual development "havan" is or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted February 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Havan is mentioned in the Sri Mukat Marag granth (see below). Does anyone know what is a Beejka Hom? How is it performed? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 According to Sri Gur Katha, performing a Hom is prohibited for Singhs. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tva prasad Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 On 4/5/2017 at 10:42 PM, paapiman said: Namdharis claim that Havan is done to purify the elements. Can someone please go into more details about this maryada? Thanks Bhul chuk maaf That is indeed true. https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/havan-for-cleansing-the-environment I also read that in the mahabharat text a long while ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tva prasad Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 On 6/16/2018 at 12:42 PM, paapiman said: According to Sri Gur Katha, performing a Hom is prohibited for Singhs. Bhul chuk maaf http://veda.wikidot.com/homa That is quite understandable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 On 6/16/2018 at 8:12 AM, paapiman said: According to Sri Gur Katha, performing a Hom is prohibited for Singhs. Bhul chuk maaf Puratan maryada does have HOM/HAVAN..Brahm Kawach mentions 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tva prasad Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 27 minutes ago, jaikaara said: Puratan maryada does have HOM/HAVAN..Brahm Kawach mentions Hom and Havan are different. I've heard Havan being mentioned but not hom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, tva prasad said: Hom and Havan are different. I've heard Havan being mentioned but not hom. how are they different? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tva prasad Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, jaikaara said: how are they different? Sorry, my bad. I was confusing hom/havan with yagya. Just a question: is the hom/havan in Sikhism performed the same way as Hinduism, as in with same chanting and technique or is there a variation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jaikaara Posted September 13, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, tva prasad said: Sorry, my bad. I was confusing hom/havan with yagya. Just a question: is the hom/havan in Sikhism performed the same way as Hinduism, as in with same chanting and technique or is there a variation? Sikhism is an Indic religion so the base is going to be the same. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 You can watch Namdharis doing Hawan on youtube 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tva prasad Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 26 minutes ago, jaikaara said: Sikhism is an Indic religion so the base is going to be the same. I came across this and I think the chants are the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrDoaba Posted September 13, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, jaikaara said: Puratan maryada does have HOM/HAVAN..Brahm Kawach mentions Brahm Kavach Havans are still performed today. 2 hours ago, tva prasad said: I came across this and I think the chants are the same. This is simply a Vedic Havan being performed by Sikhs. In a Sikh Havan Gurbani is used afaik, but the procedure does not really differ..slight variations on Smagari maybe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tva prasad Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, MrDoaba said: This is simply a Vedic Havan being performed by Sikhs. In a Sikh Havan Gurbani is used afaik, but the procedure does not really differ..slight variations on Smagari maybe. Thanks for the knowledge. Is this Havan performed today, by nirmalas, etc.? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrDoaba Posted September 13, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, tva prasad said: Thanks for the knowledge. Is this Havan performed today, by nirmalas, etc.? No problem. I'm genuinely not sure what kind of Havan Nirmalas do..I wouldn't be surprised if they do perform Vedic ones though. Naamdharis and Nihangs do Sikh Havans. Also, at Akhand Paaths which follow full Maryada, they have someone for dhoop duty...which essentially is akin to a Havan. Same kind of smagari used, albeit sprinked over burning coals rather than an open flame for the duration of the Paath. This may be a good example of link you posted earlier about cleansing the air. I'm not sure if the meaning of this part of Maryada goes any deeper though (it may well). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 16 hours ago, jaikaara said: Puratan maryada does have HOM/HAVAN..Brahm Kawach mentions There are different types of Havan. Some might be against Gurmat. Isn't there a Havan, where insects are killed in the fire? Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 8 hours ago, MrDoaba said: they have someone for dhoop duty. Those Singhs are called "Dhupiye" Singhs. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 12 hours ago, MrDoaba said: Brahm Kavach Havans are still performed today. How is this done? Singhs just keeps reciting Sri Braham Kavach and keep putting samagri in a Havan kund? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDoaba Posted September 14, 2018 Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, paapiman said: Those Singhs are called "Dhupiye" Singhs. Bhul chuk maaf Haanji beere, I'm aware. I just explained in English to make the comparison between this Maryada and Havan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akali dilsidak singh Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 On 4/9/2017 at 3:06 AM, Akali_Akal_Singh said: Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowal Wale have defined the meaning of havan as the awakening of gyan and destruction of avashnas. sorry akali jee but your knowledge on havan was very limited please read ਭਾਨੂ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ by sant jagjit singh ji harkhowal he has written about havan and bani recited during havan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akali dilsidak singh Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 On 9/14/2018 at 8:09 AM, paapiman said: How is this done? Singhs just keeps reciting Sri Braham Kavach and keep putting samagri in a Havan kund? hnji its done like this only i have twice went to such hawans 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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