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Sarbloh Granth

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Is there any Katha on Sarbloh Granth? Is any teeka available on it? Has anyone here read sarbloh granth? Can anyone here provide detail about sarbloh granth?

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11 hours ago, tva prasad said:

Is there any Katha on Sarbloh Granth? Is any teeka available on it? Has anyone here read sarbloh granth? Can anyone here provide detail about sarbloh granth?

thanx for ur time:)

Nihang Santa Singh jee has done a teeka of Sri Sarabloh Granth Sahib jee.

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/downloads/Gurbani/Entire Sri SarbLoh Granth Sahib Ji/Complete-Sri-Sarbloh-Granth-Sahib-Ji-Steek.pdf

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1 hour ago, paapiman said:

Nihang Santa Singh jee has done a teeka of Sri Sarabloh Granth Sahib jee.

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/downloads/Gurbani/Entire Sri SarbLoh Granth Sahib Ji/Complete-Sri-Sarbloh-Granth-Sahib-Ji-Steek.pdf

Also, please listen to this:

 

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thanx, bro. Really appreciate it:)

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It's an obscure Granth with very little historicity. I dont think it is mentioned in Sikh writings untill the British period.

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On 02/05/2017 at 2:06 PM, amardeep said:

It's an obscure Granth with very little historicity. I dont think it is mentioned in Sikh writings untill the British period.

Do you think this could be to do with the Granth being re-discovered towards the end of Guru Sahib's life ?

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On 5/3/2017 at 10:39 AM, chatanga1 said:

Do you think this could be to do with the Granth being re-discovered towards the end of Guru Sahib's life ?

Good point. Also, wasn't it complied by Sri Satguru jee (Tenth Master) at Sri Hazoor Sahib? If yes, then it is very much possible that many Sikh scholars (of Punjab) might not have been familiar with it.

 

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24 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Good point. Also, wasn't it complied by Sri Satguru jee (Tenth Master) at Sri Hazoor Sahib? If yes, then it is very much possible that many Sikh scholars (of Punjab) might not have been familiar with it.

 

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The tradition is that it was compiled in Satyug, when it was buried at this place along with other artefacts of Guru Sahib. I think the asht-bhuja was also buried here as well.

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50 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

 

The tradition is that it was compiled in Satyug, when it was buried at this place along with other artefacts of Guru Sahib. I think the asht-bhuja was also buried here as well.

But, wasn't it re-compiled by Maharaaj in present day languages? The original was in Sanskrit rite?

What is Asht-bhuja bro? The 8 weapons of Mata Durga jee?

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17 hours ago, paapiman said:

But, wasn't it re-compiled by Maharaaj in present day languages? The original was in Sanskrit rite?

No and no.

 

Yes Ashtbhuja is the 8 armed weapon thing at Sri Hazur Sahib.

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59 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

No and no.

What is the language of this Granth?

 

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On ‎8‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 6:19 AM, chatanga1 said:

 

The tradition is that it was compiled in Satyug, when it was buried at this place along with other artefacts of Guru Sahib. I think the asht-bhuja was also buried here as well.

 

On ‎8‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 7:11 AM, paapiman said:

But, wasn't it re-compiled by Maharaaj in present day languages? The original was in Sanskrit rite?

What is Asht-bhuja bro? The 8 weapons of Mata Durga jee?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

so, sarbloh granth sahib was written and compiled in satyug and was buried at a place along with asht-bhuja and then rediscovered at a later date, in kaljug?

so did guru gobind Singh ji write in the form of dusht daman?

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12 minutes ago, tva prasad said:

 

so, sarbloh granth sahib was written and compiled in satyug and was buried at a place along with asht-bhuja and then rediscovered at a later date, in kaljug?

so did guru gobind Singh ji write in the form of dusht daman?

yes guru gobind singh ji created the sarbloh granth in the form of dusht daman in satyug and was buried by him. It was then rediscovered again in kalyug.

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That is the tradition around it - that it was compiled in Hazoor Sahib and entered Punjab around the Maharaja Ranjit Singh period.


I think Pandit Tara Singh Narotam is the first Sikh to mention the Sarbloh Granth around the 1860s or 1870s. Before that it is neither mentioned nor quoted from.

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Re: not being quoted or mentioned, do you think it may have to be with how closley it was guarded by the Nihangs? The Nihang tradition says that this granth was guarded very closely but I'm not sure of the reason why. Why guard this over Sri Guru Granth sahib/Sri Dasme patshah's Granth Sahib?

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I think in general all Granth's were protected. Malcolm in the early 1800s writes that it was extremely difficult to obtain copies of Sikh scripture. Finally he got them from the Nirmale who seem to have been more liberal in this regard. We can imagine then that the Nihangs were more protective.

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On 5/8/2017 at 8:27 AM, paapiman said:

What is the language of this Granth?

 

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The language most used is Persian ( this is the most problematic because the transcribers made errors transliterating from the Persian script to the Gurmukhi script, many portions are incomprehensible because of this), Braj Basha, Punjabi, Hindi, Urdu, Aphram Basha, Sanskrit, Standard Arabic vocabulary is used abundently as well. 

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Imo, the Sarbloh Granth seems to be a compilation of Kavi Bani and Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Bani. Bhai Gurdas Singh's Vaar has been found within the Granth in certain manuscripts.

There also hasn't been enough research done into the text, no one even undertook the endeavour to do it's Shudai, there are portions misplaced, missing, rearranged, mispelled, undecipherable, etc. variations between manuscripts.

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On 5/15/2017 at 4:52 AM, amardeep said:

I think in general all Granth's were protected. Malcolm in the early 1800s writes that it was extremely difficult to obtain copies of Sikh scripture. Finally he got them from the Nirmale who seem to have been more liberal in this regard. We can imagine then that the Nihangs were more protective.

The Nihangs feared interpolation and corruption of texts which kind of became eventual, so they resorted to extreme measures to hide many Granths, like their Rehatnama Granths, Sarbloh Granth, Janamsakhis, Sau Sakhis, etc. by burying, transporting it to different places or placing it in the care of trusted individuals. Despite their efforts, many of these texts were discovered anyways. 

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Who do you think they feared interpolation/corruption from ?

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2 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio

 

go to Gyani Sher Singh folder. Gyani Ji has started katha of Sri Sarbloh.

Great News. Thanks for informing bro.

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio.php?q=f&f=%2FKatha%2F02_Present_Day_Katha%2FNihang_Giani_Sher_Singh_(Ambala_wale)%2FSri_Sarbloh_Granth_Katha

 

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On 5/23/2017 at 2:25 PM, chatanga1 said:

Who do you think they feared interpolation/corruption from ?

 from non-Nihangs/Akalis.  Janamsakhis and Rehatnamas were tampered with when being copied and/or printed.  Sau Sakhi is notable for this, the original text was altered repeatedly. Piara Singh Padam details this very well.  The Singhs of old noticed this, thus they became protective. 

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12 hours ago, Kuttabanda2 said:

Janamsakhis and Rehatnamas were tampered with when being copied and/or printed.  

Who was involved in the tampering of Rehatnamas? Motive? Can you post some examples?

 

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14 hours ago, paapiman said:

Who was involved in the tampering of Rehatnamas? Motive? Can you post some examples?

 

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Whoever reproduced the Rehatnamas tampered with them. 

The motive is quite obvious. With Rehatnamas being an authority on Sikh law, way of life, social structures, governence, etc., Scribes who reproduced these Rehatnamas added, edited and removed injunctions as they pleased. This was done to better suit their own needs. To justify (to the Sikh masses), propagate, and authenticate the personal ideals, practices and convictions that the scribe had held onto. 

Another motive was to address issues in the Sikh Panth at that time. 

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