Popular Post chatanga1 Posted June 6, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 GHANI KHAN and his brother Nabi Khan, Pathan horse dealers of Machhivara in present day Ludhiana district of the Punjab, were admirers of Guru Gobind Singh whom they had visited at Anandpur and to whom they had sold many good animals. When they learnt that, travelling in a lonely state after the battle of Chamkaur (1705), the Guru had come to Machhivara, they at once turned out to meet him and offered their services. They provided him with a blue coloured dress and carried him out of Machhivara in a palanquin disguised as a Muslim divine. They declared him to be Uchch da Pir, the holy man of Uchch, an old seat of Muslim saints in south-west Punjab. They escorted him thus up to Hehrari, a village near Raikot in Ludhiana district, where a group of Sikhs relieved them. The Guru dismissed Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan with his blessings and a hukamnama meant to be a letter of commendation which was reverently preserved by their descendants. The family migrated to Pakistan in 1947. Their house in Machhivara is now a gurudwara known as Gurdwara Uchch da Pir. References : Sikh Encylopaedia 1. Kuir Singh, Gurbilas Patshahi 10. Patiala, 1968 2. Padam, Piara Singh, and Giani Garja Singh, eds. Guru klan Sakhian. Patiala, 1986 3. Macauliffe, Max Arthur, The. Sikh Religion. Oxford, 1909 Below: Zahoor Ahmed Khan, the descendant of Ghani Khan and Nabhi Khan who once assisted Guru Gobind Singh Ji in escaping the Mughal forces, here shows a hukamnana bestowed upon his ancestors by Guru Sahib Ji. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 25, 2018 Report Share Posted July 25, 2018 On 6/6/2017 at 5:18 PM, chatanga1 said: GHANI KHAN and his brother Nabi Khan, Pathan horse dealers of Machhivara in present day Ludhiana district of the Punjab, were admirers of Guru Gobind Singh whom they had visited at Anandpur and to whom they had sold many good animals. When they learnt that, travelling in a lonely state after the battle of Chamkaur (1705), the Guru had come to Machhivara, they at once turned out to meet him and offered their services. They provided him with a blue coloured dress and carried him out of Machhivara in a palanquin disguised as a Muslim divine. They declared him to be Uchch da Pir, the holy man of Uchch, an old seat of Muslim saints in south-west Punjab. They escorted him thus up to Hehrari, a village near Raikot in Ludhiana district, where a group of Sikhs relieved them. The Guru dismissed Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan with his blessings and a hukamnama meant to be a letter of commendation which was reverently preserved by their descendants. The family migrated to Pakistan in 1947. Their house in Machhivara is now a gurudwara known as Gurdwara Uchch da Pir. References : Sikh Encylopaedia 1. Kuir Singh, Gurbilas Patshahi 10. Patiala, 1968 2. Padam, Piara Singh, and Giani Garja Singh, eds. Guru klan Sakhian. Patiala, 1986 3. Macauliffe, Max Arthur, The. Sikh Religion. Oxford, 1909 Below: Zahoor Ahmed Khan, the descendant of Ghani Khan and Nabhi Khan who once assisted Guru Gobind Singh Ji in escaping the Mughal forces, here shows a hukamnana bestowed upon his ancestors by Guru Sahib Ji. Great find! Can we can a clearer image and maybe try and transcribe and translate this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2018 We could translate some words and line or two as is but would need a much better pic to get the whole text. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted July 29, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 Here's a first stab at what I could readily identify: ........ਦੀ ਆਗਿਆ ਹੈ ਭਾਈ ਕਲਿਆਣਾ ਰਾਇ ਸਰਬਤ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਾਛੀਵਾੜੇ ਕੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਖੈ ਗਾ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਹੈ ਇਕੁ ...........ਹੁਕਮੁ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ ਦੇਖਦੇ ਸਿਤਾਬੀ ਹਜੂਰ ਭੇ...... ...ਵੈ ਗੋਲਕ ਦਸਵੰਧ ਮੰਨ ਤਮੋ ਹਜੂਰ ਆਪ ਲੈ ਆਵਣਾ ਮਸੰਧਾ ਨੋ ਮੰਨਣਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਕੀ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 Looks like the start is ""ਲਿਖੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਦੀ " and the Date is Samvat 1755 which is about 1698? When did Guru ji abolish the masand system? it was before historic Vaisakhi wasn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, chatanga1 said: Looks like the start is ""ਲਿਖੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਦੀ " and the Date is Samvat 1755 which is about 1698? When did Guru ji abolish the masand system? it was before historic Vaisakhi wasn't it? Where? Yeah, I think they were dealing with the masands before Vasaikhi but hit them with the total ban on that day in the proto-rehat given during Amrit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 Where what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 Just now, chatanga1 said: Where what? Where does it say: "ਲਿਖੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਦੀ " 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 This is obviously a requisition by Guru ji for funds for war, and an instruction to send the funds directly so the masands couldn't pilfer it. This line might go: ਹੁਕਮੁ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ ਦੇਖਦੇ ਸਿਤਾਬੀ ਹਜੂਰ ਭੇਜਣਾ 'ਦੇਖਦੇ ਸਿਤਾਬੀ' - I think is code for an urgent situation that requires swift action i.e. send the collected daswands immediately upon viewing this hukam-nama. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 This is what the faded writing looks like to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 minute ago, chatanga1 said: This is what the faded writing looks like to me. Where is this on the hukam-nama bro? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: Where is this on the hukam-nama bro? Oh I see. At the beginning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 15 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: Where does it say: "ਲਿਖੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਦੀ " It probably says Siri instead of likhi. In Ganda singhs collection of hukamname most of them begin with Siri Guru jio Di aageya hai. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted July 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Spelt "ਸਿਰੀ" rather than " ਸ੍ਰੀ" ? That was the old way of writing this word. Yes most likely this is "ਸਿਰੀ." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 6 hours ago, amardeep said: It probably says Siri instead of likhi. In Ganda singhs collection of hukamname most of them begin with Siri Guru jio Di aageya hai. I used to have an ecopy of this book years ago but lost most of my ebooks on laptops that either broke or when moving around. Anyone have a copy of this, stick it about for research guys. And maybe Shamsher Singh Ashok's work on hukam-namas too. Looked on sikhbookclub for Ganda Singh's book but couldn't find it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: I used to have an ecopy of this book years ago but lost most of my ebooks on laptops that either broke or when moving around. Anyone have a copy of this, stick it about for research guys. And maybe Shamsher Singh Ashok's work on hukam-namas too. Looked on sikhbookclub for Ganda Singh's book but couldn't find it. It's cool. I found it. Will post link to it soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Yes that’s how it’s spelled 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 For instance this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 I think I got some of the last line: ਸਿਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜਿਉ ਦੀ ਆਗਿਆ ਹੈ ਭਾਈ ਕਲਿਆਣਾ ਰਾਇ ਸਰਬਤ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਾਛੀਵਾੜੇ ਕੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਖੈ ਗਾ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਹੈ ਇਕੁ ...........ਹੁਕਮੁ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ ਦੇਖਦੇ ਸਿਤਾਬੀ ਹਜੂਰ ਭੇ...... ...ਵੈ ਗੋਲਕ ਦਸਵੰਧ ਮੰਨ ਤਮੋ ਹਜੂਰ ਆਪ ਲੈ ਆਵਣਾ ਮਸੰਧਾ ਨੋ ਮੰਨਣਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਕੀ .....ਰੈ ਗਾ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਪੂਰੇ ਹੋਵਤਿ ਗੇ ਸਮਤੁ ੧੭੫੫(?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Here's Ganda Singh's book on the hukam-namey for anyone interested: https://www.scribd.com/document/385048860/Hukamname-edited-by-Ganda-Singh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 7/30/2018 at 11:08 PM, dalsingh101 said: ਸਿਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜਿਉ ਦੀ ਆਗਿਆ ਹੈ ਭਾਈ ਕਲਿਆਣਾ ਰਾਇ ਸਰਬਤ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਾਛੀਵਾੜੇ ਕੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਖੈ ਗਾ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਹੈ ਇਕੁ ...........ਹੁਕਮੁ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ ਦੇਖਦੇ ਸਿਤਾਬੀ ਹਜੂਰ ਭੇ...... ...ਵੈ ਗੋਲਕ ਦਸਵੰਧ ਮੰਨ ਤਮੋ ਹਜੂਰ ਆਪ ਲੈ ਆਵਣਾ ਮਸੰਧਾ ਨੋ ਮੰਨਣਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਕੀ ਬਾਹੁੜੀ ਕਰੈ ਗਾ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਪੂਰੇ ਹੋਵਤਿ ਗੇ ਸਮਤੁ ੧੭੫੫(?) Got that last line. Ganda Singh's book helped: ਗੁਰੂ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਕੀ ਬਾਹੁੜੀ ਕਰੈ ਗਾ - is quite common in hukamnamas apparently. MK has this for ਬਾਹੁੜੀ: Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਬਾਹੁ (ਭੁਜਾ) ਖੜੀ ਕਰਕੇ ਸਹਾਇਤਾ ਲਈ ਪੁਕਾਰਨ ਦੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਯਾ. ਮੇਰੀ ਬਾਂਹ ਫੜੀਂ, ਇਹ ਵਾਕ ਕਹਿਕੇ ਪੁਕਾਰਨਾ. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Is this hukam-nama real? Because looking at Ganda SIngh's book, Guru ji's hukams seem to have his nishaan at the beginning. I don't see this on this one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 On 8/1/2018 at 10:04 PM, dalsingh101 said: Is this hukam-nama real? Because looking at Ganda SIngh's book, Guru ji's hukams seem to have his nishaan at the beginning. I don't see this on this one? @chatanga1 You got nothing to say about that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 Bump. The hukam-nama looks fake? Where you find it from Chatanga? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 I got it from the Sikh Encyclopeadia website but it looks like the site isn't being maintained anymore. The page link just comes as 404 error. I will try and find out more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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