Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

[angy15]

16 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

This Nav deep is the same Nav deep who had affair with a married man and destroyed his family just so she could get permanent residency in the UK. She got pregnant by that man before he was divorced and married her.

Again sick mentality of you and fellow friends.not a single word against foolish donkey instead insulting the lady.

Only way to counter these fools is by ending the taksali/udasi ideology  and giving the young Sikhs proper mainstream education.

[chatanga1]

Didn’t watch the video. This guy if he is using bad language against this woman is just as bad as ghaghriwala using bad language against SGGS. I don’t listen/watch that either.

 

Only way to counter these fools is to talk about Gurmat in its proper terms with proper translations. Not omitting the author of the shabad or saying that births and deaths are in the mind only etc.

 

Once people realise this ghaghriwala is taking advantage of their ignorance his parasite ideology will end.

 

PS theres nothing wrong in callling a spade a spade. This shameless woman destroyed a family, got pregnant whilst unmarried just to get permanent residency.

[angy15]

On 10/10/2018 at 1:06 PM, angy15 said:

  @DeNiro, @chatanga1, @Reader

Let  me ask you  do you  accept Akal Takht parvanith "SIKH REHAT MARYADA ".

Yes or No.

Second question related to this forum

Do you agree with Bhai Ranjit Singh Dhadriyanwala proposal of EK SIKH REHAT Maryada.

 

I want all you three please answer .Let us see where you guys stand regarding SRM .

 

@Reader

Please if you can reply this too.

[chatanga1]

@Reader  don’t bother. It’s not as if this angy can be bothered to answer questions as part of his “healthy discussion” here.

[chatanga1]

I dont watch this guy but as this clip was only 30 seconds long I thought I could tolerate that. Ghagri again shows his shallow intellect by not recognising the sublte differences in Gurbani arths:

ਆਸਾ ॥

ਅੰਤਰਿ ਮੈਲੁ ਜੇ ਤੀਰਥ ਨਾਵੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਨ ਜਾਨਾਂ ॥

ਲੋਕ ਪਤੀਣੇ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਹੋਵੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਰਾਮੁ ਅਯਾਨਾ ॥੧॥

ਪੂਜਹੁ ਰਾਮੁ ਏਕੁ ਹੀ ਦੇਵਾ ॥

ਸਾਚਾ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਜਲ ਕੈ ਮਜਨਿ ਜੇ ਗਤਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਨਿਤ ਨਿਤ ਮੇਂਡੁਕ ਨਾਵਹਿ ॥

ਜੈਸੇ ਮੇਂਡੁਕ ਤੈਸੇ ਓਇ ਨਰ ਫਿਰਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਜੋਨੀ ਆਵਹਿ ॥੨॥

ਮਨਹੁ ਕਠੋਰੁ ਮਰੈ ਬਾਨਾਰਸਿ ਨਰਕੁ ਨ ਬਾਂਚਿਆ ਜਾਈ ॥

ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਸੰਤੁ ਮਰੈ ਹਾੜੰਬੈ ਤ ਸਗਲੀ ਸੈਨ ਤਰਾਈ ॥੩॥

ਦਿਨਸੁ ਨ ਰੈਨਿ ਬੇਦੁ ਨਹੀ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਤਹਾ ਬਸੈ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰਾ ॥

ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਨਰ ਤਿਸਹਿ ਧਿਆਵਹੁ ਬਾਵਰਿਆ ਸੰਸਾਰਾ ॥੪॥੪॥੩੭॥

 

Dive in at the deep end of ignorance!

[paapiman]

1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

I dont watch this guy but as this clip was only 30 seconds long I thought I could tolerate that.

@Soulfinder @Reader and others (please make a note).

That is why, it's critically important that we make audio/video clips of him, whenever he says anything against Gubani/Rehat Maryada/Gur-Itihaas. If we don't, then it would be a huge struggle later to go through his long lectures to find out where he said a particular thing.

Do you guys have the tidbit where he talks about Mata Bhago jee?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

On 8/6/2017 at 1:32 PM, paapiman said:

 

Bhul chuk maaf

@Soulfinder - Please make video clips (more to follow), in case we loose the video above. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

On 8/31/2017 at 3:22 PM, paapiman said:

Dhandrianwala Vs Sant Gyani Jarnail Singh jee Khalsa Bhindranwale:

 

Bhul chuk maaf

@Soulfinder

[paapiman]

On 9/9/2017 at 8:46 PM, paapiman said:

 

Bhul chuk maaf

@Soulfinder

[paapiman]

On 9/23/2017 at 7:14 AM, paapiman said:

Gyani jee could have used a better example in the video below, instead of using "Pagal". Anyways, we have to be careful that we do not engage in any sort of ninda, but also create awareness of Manmat at the same time.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

@Soulfinder

[paapiman]

On 11/22/2017 at 1:56 PM, Soulfinder said:

Listen to this at 10:00 onwards he is now challenging bhog maryda for langar parshad. How can anyone accept this ?

 

@Soulfinder

[paapiman]

On 3/29/2018 at 5:35 PM, paapiman said:

Dhadri had alleged that Shaheed Bhai Gurbaksh Singh jee had asked him for a car. Please listen to Singh saab's reply.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

@Soulfinder

[paapiman]

On 5/31/2018 at 9:30 AM, paapiman said:

Dhadri Vs Sant Gyani Kartar Singh jee Khalsa Bhindranwale.

 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

@Soulfinder

[paapiman]

On 5/24/2018 at 6:20 AM, paapiman said:

Good reply by Gyani Gurjit Singh jee to Dhadrianwala's false allegations against Damdami Taksal. He does so in a respectful manner.

 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

@Soulfinder

[paapiman]

@Soulfinder

[angy15]

On 10/10/2018 at 8:37 PM, chatanga1 said:

The missionary cockroach don't even follow Prof Sahib Singh. Neither does cockroach ghagri. ghagri said that "births and deaths are all done in the mind" when he was trying to give explanation of " ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲਛਮੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ " shabad in SGGS. Ghaghri said that this " ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ " is in the mind. Whereas Prof Sahib Singh says :

ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਲਛਮੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥ 

ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ = ਅੰਤ ਦੇ ਵੇਲੇ, ਮਰਨ ਸਮੇਂ। ਲਛਮੀ = ਮਾਇਆ, ਧਨ। ਸਿਮਰੈ = ਚੇਤੇ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ।
ਜੋ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਮਰਨ ਵੇਲੇ ਧਨ-ਪਦਾਰਥ ਚੇਤੇ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਇਸੇ ਸੋਚ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਮਰ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ,

 

The meaning of this shabad is very clear but even ghaghri remains confused about it. Ghagri wants other people to be fooled into thinking that we only have 1 life and thats it. Ghagghri rejects reincarnation because it is as our great scholar "Mr healthy debate Angy" says "Brahmanism". If the Brahmans beleive it then it is an allergy to them.

 

We only have one type of death. That is a physical death where the body dies. The soul cannot die as it is atma. Here again ghagri chele are supporting their cult leader over Gurbani.

I think Taksali  don't teach  that literal meanings are not necessary the actual  meaning. Gurbani is written in poetic form with minimum  number  of words. Also it uses idiomatic and metaphor to explain  something.

The shabad you quoted above literal meaning is same as quoted which is similar to Hindu philosophy.

Gurbani core principle is Here and Now.

Here   ‘ਅੰਤਕਾਲ = Spiritual death .

Actual meaning of shabad will be : When a person earns wealth illegally  and keeps worrying, it rekons he  dies a spiritual death .This spiritual dead person is actually forever living life of a snake

 

[chatanga1]

25 minutes ago, angy15 said:

Gurbani core principle is Here and Now.

Not according to Gurbani it isn't:

ਜਹ ਜਹ ਮਨ ਤੂੰ ਧਾਵਦਾ ਤਹ ਤਹ ਹਰਿ ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਲੇ ॥

ਮਨ ਸਿਆਣਪ ਛੋਡੀਐ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਮਾਲੇ ॥

ਸਾਥਿ ਤੇਰੈ ਸੋ ਸਹੁ ਸਦਾ ਹੈ ਇਕੁ ਖਿਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਮਾਲਹੇ ॥

ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਕੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਪਾਪ ਕਟੇ ਅੰਤਿ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਵਹੇ ॥

ਸਾਚੇ ਨਾਲਿ ਤੇਰਾ ਗੰਢੁ ਲਾਗੈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਦਾ ਸਮਾਲੇ ॥

ਇਉ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਜਹ ਮਨ ਤੂੰ ਧਾਵਦਾ ਤਹ ਹਰਿ ਤੇਰੈ ਸਦਾ ਨਾਲੇ ॥੩॥

 

25 minutes ago, angy15 said:

Here   ‘ਅੰਤਕਾਲ = Spiritual death .

There is no such thing as a spiritual death. There never will be a spiritual death as atma is part of Paramatma. Sayihng that the atma could die is saying that Sri Krishan is not as described in the mool mantar. Beyond time.

Even if we were to entertain this false notion that a man who was greedy then took on the features of a snake, how would a man take on the features of an aborted foetus/worm/rock/mountain?  :

ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehla:

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਭਏ ਕੀਟ ਪਤੰਗਾ ॥

In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਜ ਮੀਨ ਕੁਰੰਗਾ ॥

in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer.

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਪੰਖੀ ਸਰਪ ਹੋਇਓ ॥

In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake.

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਹੈਵਰ ਬ੍ਰਿਖ ਜੋਇਓ ॥੧॥

In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse. ||1||

ਮਿਲੁ ਜਗਦੀਸ ਮਿਲਨ ਕੀ ਬਰੀਆ ॥

Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him.

ਚਿਰੰਕਾਲ ਇਹ ਦੇਹ ਸੰਜਰੀਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you. ||1||Pause||

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਸੈਲ ਗਿਰਿ ਕਰਿਆ ॥

In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਰਭ ਹਿਰਿ ਖਰਿਆ ॥

in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਸਾਖ ਕਰਿ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥

in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;

ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀਹ ਜੋਨਿ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਇਆ ॥੨॥

you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations. ||2||

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਭਇਓ ਜਨਮੁ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ॥

Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life.

ਕਰਿ ਸੇਵਾ ਭਜੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ॥

Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru's Teachings, and vibrate the Lord's Name, Har, Har.

ਤਿਆਗਿ ਮਾਨੁ ਝੂਠੁ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥

Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance.

ਜੀਵਤ ਮਰਹਿ ਦਰਗਹ ਪਰਵਾਨੁ ॥੩॥

Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord. ||3||

ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਹੋਆ ਸੁ ਤੁਝ ਤੇ ਹੋਗੁ ॥

Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord.

ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ਕਰਣੈ ਜੋਗੁ ॥

No one else can do anything at all.

ਤਾ ਮਿਲੀਐ ਜਾ ਲੈਹਿ ਮਿਲਾਇ ॥

We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇ ॥੪॥੩॥੭੨॥

Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har. ||4||3||72||

[chatanga1]

43 minutes ago, angy15 said:

think Taksali  don't teach  that literal meanings are not necessary the actual  meaning. Gurbani is written in poetic form with minimum  number  of words. Also it uses idiomatic and metaphor to explain  something.

Prof Sahib Singh was not a taksali. I don't even know what the taksalis translate it as.

 

What about Bhagat Ravidas. He was on the path of Bhagati from his birth. Yet Bhagat Ji writes:

ਧਨਾਸਰੀ ਭਗਤ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਜੀ ਕੀ

 

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਹਮ ਸਰਿ ਦੀਨੁ ਦਇਆਲੁ ਨ ਤੁਮ ਸਰਿ ਅਬ ਪਤੀਆਰੁ ਕਿਆ ਕੀਜੈ ॥

ਬਚਨੀ ਤੋਰ ਮੋਰ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨੈ ਜਨ ਕਉ ਪੂਰਨੁ ਦੀਜੈ ॥੧॥

ਹਉ ਬਲਿ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਉ ਰਮਈਆ ਕਾਰਨੇ ॥

ਕਾਰਨ ਕਵਨ ਅਬੋਲ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਬਹੁਤ ਜਨਮ ਬਿਛੁਰੇ ਥੇ ਮਾਧਉ ਇਹੁ ਜਨਮੁ ਤੁਮ੍ਹਾਰੇ ਲੇਖੇ ॥

ਕਹਿ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਆਸ ਲਗਿ ਜੀਵਉ ਚਿਰ ਭਇਓ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਦੇਖੇ ॥੨॥੧॥

 

Are you and ghagri now accusing Bhagat Ravidas of acting like a greedy dog so he could have these reincarnations?

[angy15]

1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

There is no such thing as a spiritual death. There never will be a spiritual death as atma is part of Paramatma. Sayihng that the atma could die is saying that Sri Krishan is not as described in the mool mantar. Beyond time.

Sorry your translation is quite  literal

Spiritual death of the mind means without Divine qualities(ਗੁਣਹੀਣ).  he has Snake like tendencies  because when he bites he doesn't see who is friend or relatives.

[angy15]

1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehla:

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਭਏ ਕੀਟ ਪਤੰਗਾ ॥ 

In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਜ ਮੀਨ ਕੁਰੰਗਾ ॥

in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer.

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਪੰਖੀ ਸਰਪ ਹੋਇਓ ॥

In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake.

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਹੈਵਰ ਬ੍ਰਿਖ ਜੋਇਓ ॥੧॥

In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse. ||1||

ਮਿਲੁ ਜਗਦੀਸ ਮਿਲਨ ਕੀ ਬਰੀਆ ॥

Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him.

ਚਿਰੰਕਾਲ ਇਹ ਦੇਹ ਸੰਜਰੀਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you. ||1||Pause||

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਸੈਲ ਗਿਰਿ ਕਰਿਆ ॥

In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਰਭ ਹਿਰਿ ਖਰਿਆ ॥

in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਸਾਖ ਕਰਿ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥

in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;

ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀਹ ਜੋਨਿ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਇਆ ॥੨॥

you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations. ||2||

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਭਇਓ ਜਨਮੁ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ॥

Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life.

ਕਰਿ ਸੇਵਾ ਭਜੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ॥

Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru's Teachings, and vibrate the Lord's Name, Har, Har.

ਤਿਆਗਿ ਮਾਨੁ ਝੂਠੁ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥

Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance.

ਜੀਵਤ ਮਰਹਿ ਦਰਗਹ ਪਰਵਾਨੁ ॥੩॥

Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord. ||3||

ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਹੋਆ ਸੁ ਤੁਝ ਤੇ ਹੋਗੁ ॥

Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord.

ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ਕਰਣੈ ਜੋਗੁ ॥

No one else can do anything at all.

ਤਾ ਮਿਲੀਐ ਜਾ ਲੈਹਿ ਮਿਲਾਇ ॥

We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇ ॥੪॥੩॥੭੨॥

Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har. ||4||3||72||

 Veerji you are looking it with Hindu theory of rebirths /reincarnations of a  man .SGGS is quite different from Hindu philosophy  in its approach.

Here  Guru Arjan here is describing evolution of man  just like Darwin's Theory of Evolution although sequence of evolution is not same.

Raho pankti is important.

[chatanga1]

32 minutes ago, angy15 said:

Sorry your translation is quite  literal 

Spiritual death of the mind means without Divine qualities(ਗੁਣਹੀਣ).  he has Snake like tendencies  because when he bites he doesn't see who is friend or relatives.

OK so if we take your false analolgy to be correct for the sake of this "healthy debate" what tendences does a person have when they are like an aborted foetus?

 

So was your view of the the colour red/green. So why are you trying to use whatever translation suits you?

32 minutes ago, angy15 said:

Sorry your translation is quite  literal 

[angy15]

6 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

@Reader  don’t bother. It’s not as if this angy can be bothered to answer questions as part of his “healthy discussion” here. 

You  all don't have that khalsa spirit  to say yes to 'EK Sikh Rehat Mariyada'.The reason is you are not true sikhs but keshadhari brahmins  .You origin is from Banaras.You don't want  a united sikh community.

You are fighting the Dhadriwala and missionaries to keep your dead babas relevant and living babas and deras relevant.

No true Sikh will ever deny EK Rehat Mariyada .Only the traitors will.

[chatanga1]

21 minutes ago, angy15 said:

 Here  Guru Arjan here is describing evolution of man  just like Darwin's Theory of Evolution although sequence of evolution is not same.

There is no evolution in Gurmat. Stop running from pillar to post. Gurbani has listed the different joons but in NO order.

 

26 minutes ago, angy15 said:

 Veerji you are looking it with Hindu theory of rebirths /reincarnations of a  man .SGGS is quite different from Hindu philosophy  in its approach.

You are looking at it with dhadhris uneducated cult vision. I have only posted what SGGS clearly says. It's not my fault if ghaghri is more important to you than gurbani itself.

[angy15]

2 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

OK so if we take your false analolgy to be correct for the sake of this "healthy debate" what tendences does a person have when they are like an aborted foetus?

Its a  healthy debate  regarding evolution  of man .You can't assume its false analogy  you have to prove it.

 

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਰਭ ਹਿਰਿ ਖਰਿਆ ॥ Simple logic Abortion means unfavorable mutations are either mutated in the womb or die after birth who cannot survive the outside envioronment

 

[chatanga1]

9 minutes ago, angy15 said:

You  all don't have that khalsa spirit  to say yes to 'EK Sikh Rehat Mariyada'.The reason is you are not true sikhs but keshadhari brahmins  .You origin is from Banaras.You don't want  a united sikh community.

No Sikhs who have faith in Gurbani will unite with some uneducated singer wearing flamboyant gay costumes. You can call my kind of Sikhs whatever you want, it doesn't matter. After all you slander the Gurus and Gurbani, so why should it make a difference if you call me a brahman, or even a maulvi?

 

10 minutes ago, angy15 said:

You are fighting the Dhadriwala and missionaries to keep your dead babas relevant and living babas and deras relevant.

And you are fighting the Gurus and Gurbani to keep the pyjama soiling cowards in Audi's, and parade queen costumes.

 

9 minutes ago, angy15 said:

No true Sikh will ever deny EK Rehat Mariyada .Only the traitors will.

 

And there we go. Agai you have made the switch from distorting Gurbani to some so-called ek rehat maryada.