Kalki Avtaar

[kaur-uk]

i think it's coz it was vaisakhi they though 'what th hay we might as well' naa, only jokin, it all about upholding tradition, th kirpan to kangha was done bcoz a battle with shastar was no longer being faught...but when it comes to upholding important traditions we are all for it

[kaur-uk]

oh and also, on vaiskahi day of all days, my camera memory decides to fill itself up, but luckily a friend of mine, visiting sri bhaini sahib for th mela also, has more pictures and video..which i will post when i get hold of them...

[shaheediyan]

Cool, look forward to it.

[Kharag Singh]

Kalki Avtaar will come, untill the end of time Mahavishnu has to uphold his duty!

[jassasingh]

yes it will come ..... the things and what a religion is made by people god will be sending someone soon ....

[Xylitol]

although, before kalki comes, things will get pretty bad...

[Mystical]

I read somewhere that there might be loads of bloodshed?

I also read somewhere that Maharaj will have to come back because everyone has forgotten everything that he has taught his Sikhs?

[Xylitol]

Sikhi will leave india and come back into it from the west, according to baba Attar Singh ji. Also, there will come a time when every Sikh will have a Gutka in one hand, and a kirpan in the other at all times. That's how bad the fighting will be. That last is from Baba Kulwant Singh ji of Takht Sri Hazoor Sahib.

[jassasingh]

but why will sikhi leave india ?????

[akaali]

why will singhs use kirpans now, more like have a m16 or a ak in one hand, and a gutka in the other?

[Xylitol]

it's metaphoric. it means fighting will be constant, and that times will be so hard that sikhs will be doing Paath all the time during this difficult period. As for Sikhi leaving Punjab, we've already seen this. Very few people follow it there. Although, surprisingly enough, a fair number do stick to it. This was also attributed to Guru Nanak Dev ji, that sikhi would leave punjab, and than re-enter from the outside.

[laalsingh]

why will singhs use kirpans now, more like have a m16 or a ak in one hand, and a gutka in the other?

It could be laser gun in one hand and nitnem gutka in other hand.

[Singh123456777]

Kalki Avtaar is not the tenth avatar of Vishnu but the twenty-fourth.He will come for sure.

[Guest]

On 28 August 2003 at 2:19 PM, Guest said:

Is it possible you could put up the whole bani from 

Roop anoop saroop maha ang dekh anang lajaavaingey

[Arsh1469]

IDK if Kalki Avatar will come.

 

But IMHO we shouldn't care whether he comes or not. We should focus on the present. I know some Sikh who just sit on there couch and say blank will come you just wait. Don't wait for someone to come and fix it. Try to fix it yourself.

[sevak]

Why not live in the present? 
Jesus Christ ! 

[SunnySingh]

All incarnations of Vishnu Jee or any other trinities or gods even .... are not the saviours of any souls, they have a particular role to play assigned to them, as for example, the incarnations of Vishnu come for the sole purpose of restablishing righteousnes, or say Dharam, and that´s it.

Whosoever adores or venerates them, will only reach Swarg or Baikunth at most.

For the salvation of the souls, if there is any entity to make it possible, it is as seen in Gurbani, is the GURU.

That is why Guru Jee tells us: mat koee bharam bhoolay sansar, Bin SATGURU koee na utras paar.

The main difference between Gurmat and any other paths, is that, while others depend on their different divinites manifested at different times during any of the 4 Yugas, in Gurmat, we only depend on the aid and guidance Guru Jee, be it in any Yuga.

Some may not agree, but that is only relative, for as sikhs of the Truth, we have to only understand and follow what Guru Jee or the highest Bhagat Jan tell us in Gurbani.

All incarnations or physical manifestations of any divinity come to our level. either to confuse us with their powers, or as Guru Sahiban and Gurmukh Jan come, to remind and reveal us the Truth of the true Aad Guru, Jugad Guru, Sree Guru Dev, which is also known as Satnam, Sachee Bani, Anhad Shabad, Amrit Bani or even more clearly "Shabad Guru", who is the True everlasting and eternal Guru, which Waheguru Akal Purukh has kept within each one of us in equal manner, irrespective of our color, caste creed or nationality.

As said, Guru Sahiban direct our attention to this Shabad Guru, who was with us before we were even born, and will be with us when we leave this world or any other mayavee plane with all the physical forms behind.

Now, how to manifest this Shabad Guru within us?

Third Patshahee Sree Guru Amar Das Maharaj tells us : Nam jiskay man vaseeya, vajeh Shabad ganere.

He says. when we meditate on that Nam/Satnam, it will manifest its divine melodies within us, an by holding on to them we shall cross each spiritual plane to finally reach and merge in the only existing supreme Truth of Satnam.

At other place Guru Jee clearly tells us: Jap man SATNAM, sadaah SATNAM.

The thing is, we keep on looking here and there too much and get impressed by these outer and petty things in comparion to Guru Jee, and we read the Bani like parrots without seeing what it is telling us to do, thus we we are strongly entangled by our "manmat".

Salvation is only possible by understanding and putting into practice what Sachee Bani tells us to practice as per means of devotion. not otherwise.

Anyhow, I will never blame anyone for their shortcoming, for as said in the Bani, only those wadbhagee jeevas, who are pulled by Him, are the fewer ones who will follow the teachings in Gurbani, the rest of the poor jeevaas, what can they do? 

If He the creator, does not pull their strings, for somehow or other He wants Hs creation to keep running, otherwise if it was that simple to return to Him by our will and efforts, the creation will gradually come to an end, that is why so many Avtars come, so many gods, or godesses, different religions exist, and so on layers of confusing braham..... 

But in spite of all this paraphernalia, Waheguru has given us His Gurbani, so that we  can attach our surtee to it, to cleanse ourselves throughly  and be receptive to His apaar kirpa, in order to get attracted to Him and finally merge in Him.

If any glory, that is only of Guru Jee and Waheguru Akal Purukh.

 

[kidsama]

On 10/1/2021 at 5:19 AM, SunnySingh said:

All incarnations of Vishnu Jee or any other trinities or gods even .... are not the saviours of any souls, they have a particular role to play assigned to them, as for example, the incarnations of Vishnu come for the sole purpose of restablishing righteousnes, or say Dharam, and that´s it.

Whosoever adores or venerates them, will only reach Swarg or Baikunth at most.

For the salvation of the souls, if there is any entity to make it possible, it is as seen in Gurbani, is the GURU.

That is why Guru Jee tells us: mat koee bharam bhoolay sansar, Bin SATGURU koee na utras paar.

 

Ethe Rakh 100% 

[Guransh SIngh]

On 10/1/2021 at 5:49 PM, SunnySingh said:

All incarnations of Vishnu Jee or any other trinities or gods even .... are not the saviours of any souls, they have a particular role to play assigned to them, as for example, the incarnations of Vishnu come for the sole purpose of restablishing righteousnes, or say Dharam, and that´s it.

Whosoever adores or venerates them, will only reach Swarg or Baikunth at most.

For the salvation of the souls, if there is any entity to make it possible, it is as seen in Gurbani, is the GURU.

That is why Guru Jee tells us: mat koee bharam bhoolay sansar, Bin SATGURU koee na utras paar.

The main difference between Gurmat and any other paths, is that, while others depend on their different divinites manifested at different times during any of the 4 Yugas, in Gurmat, we only depend on the aid and guidance Guru Jee, be it in any Yuga.

Some may not agree, but that is only relative, for as sikhs of the Truth, we have to only understand and follow what Guru Jee or the highest Bhagat Jan tell us in Gurbani.

All incarnations or physical manifestations of any divinity come to our level. either to confuse us with their powers, or as Guru Sahiban and Gurmukh Jan come, to remind and reveal us the Truth of the true Aad Guru, Jugad Guru, Sree Guru Dev, which is also known as Satnam, Sachee Bani, Anhad Shabad, Amrit Bani or even more clearly "Shabad Guru", who is the True everlasting and eternal Guru, which Waheguru Akal Purukh has kept within each one of us in equal manner, irrespective of our color, caste creed or nationality.

As said, Guru Sahiban direct our attention to this Shabad Guru, who was with us before we were even born, and will be with us when we leave this world or any other mayavee plane with all the physical forms behind.

Now, how to manifest this Shabad Guru within us?

Third Patshahee Sree Guru Amar Das Maharaj tells us : Nam jiskay man vaseeya, vajeh Shabad ganere.

He says. when we meditate on that Nam/Satnam, it will manifest its divine melodies within us, an by holding on to them we shall cross each spiritual plane to finally reach and merge in the only existing supreme Truth of Satnam.

At other place Guru Jee clearly tells us: Jap man SATNAM, sadaah SATNAM.

The thing is, we keep on looking here and there too much and get impressed by these outer and petty things in comparion to Guru Jee, and we read the Bani like parrots without seeing what it is telling us to do, thus we we are strongly entangled by our "manmat".

Salvation is only possible by understanding and putting into practice what Sachee Bani tells us to practice as per means of devotion. not otherwise.

Anyhow, I will never blame anyone for their shortcoming, for as said in the Bani, only those wadbhagee jeevas, who are pulled by Him, are the fewer ones who will follow the teachings in Gurbani, the rest of the poor jeevaas, what can they do? 

If He the creator, does not pull their strings, for somehow or other He wants Hs creation to keep running, otherwise if it was that simple to return to Him by our will and efforts, the creation will gradually come to an end, that is why so many Avtars come, so many gods, or godesses, different religions exist, and so on layers of confusing braham..... 

But in spite of all this paraphernalia, Waheguru has given us His Gurbani, so that we  can attach our surtee to it, to cleanse ourselves throughly  and be receptive to His apaar kirpa, in order to get attracted to Him and finally merge in Him.

If any glory, that is only of Guru Jee and Waheguru Akal Purukh.

 

Veerji what is difference between Baikunth and Sachkhand. In puratan janamsakhis the word baikunth is also used and so is sachkhand. Guru Sahib says

Taha Baikunth jaha keertan tera

Bhul Chuk maaf

Sat Kartar

[SunnySingh]

5 hours ago, Guransh SIngh said:

Veerji what is difference between Baikunth and Sachkhand. In puratan janamsakhis the word baikunth is also used and so is sachkhand. Guru Sahib says

Taha Baikunth jaha keertan tera

Bhul Chuk maaf

Sat Kartar

Hi Guransh Bro,

you have asked a very intersesting question, well let me answer according to my understanding.

Many things are mentioned in the Bani, just to put each at its own place, but that does not mean, all are same, many of these things are just to explain and describe us the infinite mayavee creation of His in vast  variety and numbers.

The term Baikunth is probably mentioned in the hindu scriptures, even before our Guru Sahiban came here or the Bhagat Jan mentioned in the Bani.

Baikunth as such is the abode of  Sree Vishnu Jee, from where he comes to the earth in his different avatars, just for the sake of stopping evil and restablishing dharam or righteousness, as seen throughout the history, be it Krishna, Rama, Narsingh, etc..... And if anybody devotes to this entity, at most goes to Baikunth.

There is and interesting story regarding this topic.

Many many years ago, I read in some scriptures that, once Vishnu Jee was resting in Baikunth, and a sadhu or some sadhus ( i do not remember exactly)came to meet Vishnu Jee, but the guard at his entrance stopped him/them from enetering, so out of anger, the guard was cursed in being born as rakshas for several life times.

When Vishnu came to know about this incident, as the guard was in a stste of shock, he pacified him by saying that as you are my devotee, do not worry, I will come each time to rescue you, that is why, each time the rakshas or evil grew on earth with beings like Ravan, Kansa, etc.....Vishnu took the chance to come and  protect his devotees and establish righteousness.

That´s it, nothing more to it.

We have to bear in mind, Vishnu Jee or and of the other 2 members of that trinty, or even the lesser beings such as devatys, or other celestial beings are all there for a specific tasks to fulfill in this creation.

All of these creatures, have tremendous powers to and extent, weapons, abodes, parsadises, genders, sizes, forms, spouses, etc etc etc 

Baikunth and totally  all other realms below Sach Khand , are under the effects of Parlay and Maha Parlay, so naturally very much in the premises of  mother  Maya and Kal.

 

*When you write : Taha Baikunth jaha keertan tera, this means, while the devotees of Vishnu Jee after hardships of jap and tap at most reach Baikunth, but, anyone by just listening His(Waheguru) mahima through keertan, at least and most effortlessly, receives the fruits of peace and tranquility or other so called enjoyable conditions found  there....

But for us as sikhs, this is not our last stop for which we have to look for, but, by His apaar kirpa, cross and go beyond the triloki and trigunee mayavee creation, to reach that changeless TRUTH of SATNAM in SACH KHAND.

For that, we have to merge in the Shabad Guru, for as the Bani says:

Nanak Nam jahaaz hae, jinee chareeya soee utareeya paar.  O Nanak, the Nam is the vessel to board on for the purpose of crossing the mayavee creation, and reach the abode of eternity, Sach Khand.

And not by any other means, it does not matter how so many other  countless "man matee" tricks and efforts we may tirelessly and regularly perform

Nowhere in the Bani says, that by devoting to any avatrs of Vishnu Jee one is saved forever, it is only by Guru Jee and Nam as per Gurmat, that one can obtain salvation forever.

If one devotes to the resident of Baikunth, one goes there, while if we devote ourselves to the resident of Sach Khand, Nirankar, one shall reach there, by His apaar kirpa.

 

Our beloved Guru Sahiban, are the very embodiment of Waheguru Akal Purukh.

In this respect the Bani tells us:  

गुर महि आपु रखिआ करतारे ॥
gur mehi aap rakhiaa karathaarae |
The Creator Lord has enshrined Himself within the Guru.

गुर का सबदु मने सो सूरा ॥
gur kaa sabadh manae so sooraa |
He alone is a spiritual hero, who believes and practices the Word of the Guru's Shabad.

राम नाम बिनु मुकति न होई थाके करम कमाई हे ॥९॥
raam naam bin mukath n hoee thaakae karam kamaaee hae |9|
Without the Lord's Name, liberation did not come, although they grew weary of performing rituals. ||9|

करम धरम करि मुकति मंगाही ॥
karam dharam kar mukath mangaahee |
Practicing religious rituals, they sought liberation,

मुकति पदारथु सबदि सलाही ॥
mukath padhaarath sabadh salaahee |
but the treasure of liberation comes only by praising the Shabad.

बिनु गुर सबदै मुकति न होई परपंचु करि भरमाई हे ॥१०॥
bin gur sabadhai mukath n hoee parapanch kar bharamaaee hae |10|
Without the Word of the Guru's Shabad, liberation is not obtained; practicing hypocrisy, they wander around confused

से छूटे सचु कार कमाई ॥
sae shoottae sach kaar kamaaee |
They alone find release, who practice deeds of Truth

अहिनिसि भगति रते वीचारी ठाकुर सिउ बणि आई हे ॥११॥
ahinis bhagath rathae veechaaree thaakur sio ban aaee hae |11|
Day and night, the devotees remain imbued with contemplative meditation; they become just like their Lord and Master.
 

And as the Bani says: Sach Khand vaseh Nirankar, and it is the supreme Abode of Waheguru Akal Purukh, the Highest abode of Eternal TRUTH, SATNAM. 

There is nothing, apart from TRUTH/NAM/SATNAM/SHABAD/AMRIT BANI/ANHAD NAD; all these are different terms, but all refer to that everlasting and changeles Truth of Satnam.

Gurmat, Gurbani, if it differs from anything of all other paths, is that, this path of Gurmat, by His apaar kirpa, is the path for our sole reunification and blending  with that Supreme Truth and nothing else.

In Sach Khand, there are no Guru Sahiban as such seen here, or, Bhagat Jan, Gurmukh Jan, for anyone reaching there, become one with that Ultimate Truth, by merging in it.

Like at the beginning of the day, all the rays emege from the Sun and fall at different places, but at the end of the day, all the rays merge back in the Sun and become One with it, without any distinction.

When a drop of water, falls into the Ocean, becomes the Ocean, it is no more is a drop, no way to trace that individual drop anymore, for it has become the Ocean itself.

The jot of the soul blends in that akhoot and beant  Jot of Waheguru in Sach Khand.

jah tay upjee tah milee sachee pareet samaahu.
From where it originated, there the soul is blended again. It is absorbed in the Love of the True Lord.
 

गुर पूरे विणु मुकति न होई सचु नामु जपि लाहा हे ॥२॥
gur poorae vin mukath n hoee sach naam jap laahaa hae |2|
Without the Perfect Guru, no one is liberated. Chanting the True Name, one profits. ||

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਕੈ ਘਰਿ ਵਸੈ ਏਕੋ ਸਚਾ ਸੋਇ ॥੧॥
Saadhhasangath Kai Ghar Vasai Eaeko Sachaa Soe ||1||
In the Company of the Holy, the One True Lord comes to abide within the home of the self. 

 

Further on still, the Bani says: 

Gur Sabadhee Har Paaeeai Bin Sabadhai Bharam Bhulaae ||1||
Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, the Lord is found; without the Shabad, people wander, deceived by doubt. 
Anadhin Naamae Rathiaa Naanak Naam Samaae ||4||25||58||
Attuned to the Name of the Lord night and day, O Nanak, you shall be absorbed into the Name. ||
 

So you see, there is a vast difference, nothing to be compared between Gurmat and any other paths.

Gurmat deals only with Waheguru, Guru Jee, Nam, and Sach Khand, as our origin and destiny.

That´s it.

*Note: sorry jee, if the reply has been extended  bit, but in my view, it was needed with the aid of clarifications in Gurbani.

 

[GurjantGnostic]

6 minutes ago, SunnySingh said:

Sach Khand vaseh Nirankar

I was busy looking for this from Japji while reading this! Glad you included it Hanji. 

[Laal Singh]

On 10/17/2021 at 6:57 PM, SunnySingh said:

what is difference between Baikunth and Sachkhand

Very important observation. Baikunth, Shivpuri, Heavens or other metaphysical places, are those man made? Not made by regular men, but by Sadhus or Jogis or Tappasvis after reaching a avstha? Like Vishwamittar made its own heaven. 

[GurjantGnostic]

12 hours ago, Laal Singh said:

Very important observation. Baikunth, Shivpuri, Heavens or other metaphysical places, are those man made? Not made by regular men, but by Sadhus or Jogis or Tappasvis after reaching a avstha? Like Vishwamittar made its own heaven. 

Those places have Kal. Akal lives in Akal. Sachackand always will have been unchanged. 

[Laal Singh]

On 3/26/2023 at 2:14 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Those places have Kal. Akal lives in Akal. Sachackand always will have been unchanged. 

Yes, in that way, everything, whole sargun roop, all creation, our thoughts about Akal, our attempts to reach Him, are under kaal. Anything that comes to imagination too is under kaal. Bliss (Anand) too is under kaal.

Nothing is immutable, but it never ends.

ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ and ਸਾਹਿਬ ਮੇਰਾ ਨੀਤ ਨਵਾ together.

 

[GurjantGnostic]

10 hours ago, Laal Singh said:

Yes, in that way, everything, whole sargun roop, all creation, our thoughts about Akal, our attempts to reach Him, are under kaal. Anything that comes to imagination too is under kaal. Bliss (Anand) too is under kaal.

Nothing is immutable, but it never ends.

ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ and ਸਾਹਿਬ ਮੇਰਾ ਨੀਤ ਨਵਾ together.

 

Except God and that small part of us we identify as our beingness. May we unify with those things Ikongkar Satgur Prasad.