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Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution true?


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Also, there is mention of Mermaids in Ramayan, which could be classified as intermediates.

It is possible that many of these intermediates did exist, but gradually became extinct as time went on. The absence of intermediates (currently) cannot be used to reject the theory of evolution.

 

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That video deosnt show evolution if Humans are shown in a boat at sea at the same time with Matsya Avatar? You got to then ask yourself what is the context of those stories, who came first (Matsya Avatar or the Humans) then look into what was the point of an Avatar coming to Earth if there wasnt any humans to begin with. Funnily enough the story of Matsya Avatar came about when the Earth got flooded.

Also how does natural selection work with the Caste System in India? Caste system seems to go against natural selection. 

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I've just changed the name of the topic. 

Darwinian Evolution and Evolution of the Spirit are two different things. Our minds are even evolving at this minute. Through practice and repetition you introduce new path ways in your brain. 

Another question is that was Shri Aurobindo Ghosh Influenced by Darwin?

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Just now, LiquidSky said:

Darwinian Evolution and Evolution of the Spirit are two different things. 

No they are the same.

Spirit evolves in to the diversity of life forms that you see, it's all one Spirit.

This Spirit is known as Vishnu, Brahmn, Shiva, Purush, Parmatma, Waheguru, in different religions.

The One Spirit evolves into Matter, (Maya, Prakriti) and then into various lifeforms.

The One Spirit is known as Atma, which is a manifestation of Spirit in a Life Form.

Once spirit becomes human, it cannot evolve materially, not because it is unable to but because it has now created such technology that it has modified the environment to suit itself.

Evolution happens when Spirit changes its body to suit the environment but when that body creates technology and modifies the environment to suit itself then there is no need to evolve materially.

So at the human level, only mental and psychic evolution can take place.

This is being referred to as spiritual evolution.

But it is referring to the evolution of the mind and its desires and its limitations.

When you really focus on your mind and notice all the little things you can improve, that you can make small tweaks to it.

Small tweaks towards what?

Towards speaking and acting the truth, meditating on the Spirit with each breath, doing good deeds at all levels of being from yourself, to your family to everyone, etc.

And when you start making those small tweaks and improve your self in that direction, then you will begin to notice the evolution in your self.

You will notice yourself evolving into another level of being.

Your body will be that of a human but your mind will be evolving into higher level.

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Your describing change from one animal body to another in entirely new animal body and that the previous body no longer exists but the spirit goes into this new body. This is not how Darwin's Theory works. His Theory is that a Physical body, given the chances can make new limbs from being a Fish to going to being a land Mammal within the same lifetime. It has nothing to do with spirit or avatars. 

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2 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

Your describing change from one animal body to another in entirely new animal body and that the previous body no longer exists but the spirit goes into this new body. This is not how Darwin's Theory works. His Theory is that a Physical body, given the chances can make new limbs from being a Fish to going to being a land Mammal within the same lifetime. It has nothing to do with spirit or avatars. 

Are you well versed with Charles Darwin's works on evolution?

 

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15 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

That video deosnt show evolution if Humans are shown in a boat at sea at the same time with Matsya Avatar? You got to then ask yourself what is the context of those stories, who came first (Matsya Avatar or the Humans) then look into what was the point of an Avatar coming to Earth if there wasnt any humans to begin with

Those humans on the boat were the Saptrishis (7 Rishis) who were saved by the Mach Avtaar. Interestingly, the Saptrishis keep changing in every jug. It is possible that they are actually heavenly beings, not normal humans like us.

Another possibility could be that evolution is taking place simultaneously along with the existence of the human race. For example, during Sri Ramchandar jee's times, Vanars existed. So, intermediates were living along with the humans.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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10 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

No they are the same.

Spirit evolves in to the diversity of life forms that you see, it's all one Spirit.

This Spirit is known as Vishnu, Brahmn, Shiva, Purush, Parmatma, Waheguru, in different religions.

The One Spirit evolves into Matter, (Maya, Prakriti) and then into various lifeforms.

The One Spirit is known as Atma, which is a manifestation of Spirit in a Life Form.

Once spirit becomes human, it cannot evolve materially, not because it is unable to but because it has now created such technology that it has modified the environment to suit itself.

Evolution happens when Spirit changes its body to suit the environment but when that body creates technology and modifies the environment to suit itself then there is no need to evolve materially.

So at the human level, only mental and psychic evolution can take place.

This is being referred to as spiritual evolution.

But it is referring to the evolution of the mind and its desires and its limitations.

When you really focus on your mind and notice all the little things you can improve, that you can make small tweaks to it.

Small tweaks towards what?

Towards speaking and acting the truth, meditating on the Spirit with each breath, doing good deeds at all levels of being from yourself, to your family to everyone, etc.

And when you start making those small tweaks and improve your self in that direction, then you will begin to notice the evolution in your self.

You will notice yourself evolving into another level of being.

Your body will be that of a human but your mind will be evolving into higher level.

Good ideas, but IMHO Darwin's focus was more on the physical body, and less on the mental/spiritual aspects of the human body.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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10 hours ago, paapiman said:

Good ideas, but IMHO Darwin's focus was more on the physical body, and less on the mental/spiritual aspects of the human body.

Yea Darwin was only talking about physical forms. But it takes a Saint like Aurobindo ji to understand that evolution is a phenomenon of the Spirit.

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13 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

I am only going by what I have learned through school. Are you well versed? Some more input would be nice, even from SoulFinder. 

Daas is also not well versed.

Hopefully, someone can provide more details on it. Very interesting topic.

What is your personal take on it? Do you believe in this kind of an Evolution?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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10 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

Yea Darwin was only talking about physical forms. But it takes a Saint like Aurobindo ji to understand that evolution is a phenomenon of the Spirit.

Most likely, there must be some mention of Evolution in Gurbani too.

Anyways, let's keep this topic focused on Darwin's theory. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf 

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6 hours ago, paapiman said:

Most likely, there must be some mention of Evolution in Gurbani too.

There isn't any mention of evolution in Guru Granth Sahib or Vishnu Puran for that matter.

This is because evolution,as a phenomenon for diversification of species, was discovered after they were written.

It's the same reason why cellphones are not mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib and Vishnu Puran.

6 hours ago, paapiman said:

Anyways, let's keep this topic focused on Darwin's theory. 

Why? When the opening video is not focused on Darwin's theory, and instead goes on to make nonsensical claims, why can't there be more dicussion of Saints and their view of evolution?

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On 26/03/2018 at 12:16 PM, paapiman said:

Those humans on the boat were the Saptrishis (7 Rishis) who were saved by the Mach Avtaar. Interestingly, the Saptrishis keep changing in every jug. It is possible that they are actually heavenly beings, not normal humans like us.

Another possibility could be that evolution is taking place simultaneously along with the existence of the human race. For example, during Sri Ramchandar jee's times, Vanars existed. So, intermediates were living along with the humans.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Actually you're right, they are not normal human's. We have actually devolved because we live in kuljug, by this I mean spiritually not physically. I highly doubt that they were heavenly though because it was up to them to preserve the Veda's. 

But I feel this topic has gone out of what I originally intended it for. Topic which was talking about Darwin's Theory of Evolution. By looking it at logically but everyone started using spiritual texts to try to confirm Darwin's doctrine. 

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There was always a theorized missing link between humans and apes. Well, not too long ago the remains of humanoids were found that were placed so far back in the evolutionary past that the current, updated theory of evolution is that humans evolved from other human species, not from apes. It usually takes a long time for popular science to catch up with actual scientific discovery so you might not hear about this 

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5 hours ago, Xylitol said:

There was always a theorized missing link between humans and apes. Well, not too long ago the remains of humanoids were found that were placed so far back in the evolutionary past that the current, updated theory of evolution is that humans evolved from other human species, not from apes. It usually takes a long time for popular science to catch up with actual scientific discovery so you might not hear about this 

Evolution doesn't say that Humans evolved from Apes. Evolution states that Apes and Humans are two different species, both of which have a common ancestor.

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