paapiman Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 Warning: Sexually explicit material below. Daas will kindly request sangat, below the age of 25 or people who are greatly affected by Lust, to stay away from this discussion. Please read the Chartiar: Gurmukhi Version: https://www.searchgurbani.com/public/dasam-granth/page/1612 Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chatanga1 Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 This was a little difficult until I read the Panjabi arth of it. It seems here that the couple are known for being wealthy, and the woman is very aware of it as well. Her visit to the Jogi does not go too well, as she is deprived of her wealth, amongst other things there. When she gets to the store to purchase her items she realises that she has dust tied up in her knot instead of the rupee. So she returns home and tells her husband that the rupee has been lost and in order to save face amongst the other people of the city she disguised this by tying up some dust in the scarf and returning home. Her husband checks her scarf but cannot find the money. What I'm getting from this is that, the woman has had the money stolen, but because she was in a place where she shouldn't have been, she has had to disguise her loss by making up the first lie that the rupee was lost on the way, and the second lie that she prevented herself (and her husband) from being humilated in the city by having no money to purchase anything from the store. Basically, because of her own deceit, she has had to further cover up a deciet played on her by another deceit. Ever heard of the Panjabi saying "ਇਕ ਝੂਠ ਲਕਾਉਣ ਲੇਈ ਇਕ ਸੌ ਝੂਠ ਬੋਲਣੇ ਪੈਂਦੇ " ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 At what point does she figure out that she has dust in her scarf, instead of money? According to Gyani Ishar Singh jee, it is at stanza 5 (at the shop). According to Niddar and Bindra, it is at stanza 6 (when she returns home). Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 In this Charitar, the deceiver (lady) has been deceived (by the disciples of the Yogi). One should not feel any bit of remorse at the lady for loosing her money. It might remind people of the verse below (a bit related): ਜੇ ਸਕਤਾ ਸਕਤੇ ਕਉ ਮਾਰੇ ਤਾ ਮਨਿ ਰੋਸੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ If some powerful man strikes out against another powerful man, then no one feels any grief in their mind. ||1||Pause|| Now, if you think in the way as mentioned below, the same could apply (in most cases). If some cheater strikes out against another cheater, then no one feels any grief in their mind. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted June 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2018 In this Charitar, the Jatt has been robbed (as it was his money which he gave his wife for shopping) and deceived by his own wife. The wise minister might be trying to tell Chittar Singh that, like the Jatt in this tale, you are also being deceived by your wife (false accusation on the son) and being robbed of your heir to your throne (if you go through with the death sentence). The dust might represent the destruction of the kingdom (kingdom being reduced to ashes) after the heir has been hanged. Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tva prasad Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 Without thinking through, and not taking in to account the time, etc. his wife had taken to go to the shop and come back, etc. the man (Nainu) foolishly believed her. He did not think through the situation, it would have been logical for her to look for the rupee instead of picking up sand and trying it in her scarf. This shows that the King is also being foolish, not thinking through the situation and blindly believing the Rani. He did not think logically or rationally about the situation before he convicted his son. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tva prasad Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 Another thing to point out is that, due to kaam the lady lost her rupee, this shows that due to lust, etc. we loose our spiritual wealth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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