paapiman Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 Warning: Sexually explicit material below. Daas will kindly request sangat, below the age of 25 or people who are greatly affected by Lust, to stay away from this discussion. Please read the Charitar: Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paapiman Posted August 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 There might be multiple interpretations of the following verse. ਰਾਜਾ ਜ੍ਯੋ ਰਾਜਹਿ ਕਿਯੋ ਭਈ ਮਰਦ ਕੇ ਭੇਸ ॥੨॥ Masquerading as a male she ruled over effectively.(2) Another interpretation (Similar to Nara saab) She ruled like a king, as if she was a male. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 Maybe she was masquerading as a male, to avoid any invasions by the neighboring kings. The chances are higher that a kingdom will be invaded, when there is no king on the throne. For example, a queen or a minister or a prince handling the affairs of a kingdom might present a good opportunity for a takeover. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 Are there any historical examples, where a queen has masqueraded as a King? Thanks Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 It seems that the wise minister is telling Chitar Singh that take a look at yourself and compare it with what a woman has accomplished in this tale. She masqueraded as a king to protect her kingdom She fought wars and won over enemies She got herself impregnated She maintained her reputation (by keeping her romance secret) She ensured that her son was given his due place in society (instead of just abandoning him, which she could have) She made sure that the kingdom had an heir (and that too her own son) Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 In this charitar the man is only mentioned upto the part of impregnation and absent thereon. The main character in this charitar in the woman, who is proven to be astute, confident and focused. When the King dies, she very confidently manages the Kingdom and when she becomes pregnant she very confidently manouveres that situation to her advantage. To me, this resembles the confidence of the Queen in the root story, where she has manouvered the King into giving his own son the death sentence. Because of the way she she did, the King not realise that a charade was taking place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 3:28 PM, chatanga1 said: The main character in this charitar in the woman, who is proven to be astute, confident and focused. She was definitely a rucker. On 9/23/2018 at 3:28 PM, chatanga1 said: To me, this resembles the confidence of the Queen in the root story, where she has manouvered the King into giving his own son the death sentence. So, in this tale, Indar Mati becomes pregnant, even though her intention was to enjoy sexual pleasures, but she manoeuvres the situation to her advantage. In the base tale, Chitar Mati gets rejected (sexually) by Hanuwant Singh, even though she would have thought that she had an excellent chance (owing to her physical beauty) to get laid with him, but she manoeuvres the situation to her advantage (via the false allegation) Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 The choice of the name is interesting, Indar Mati, meaning the intellect of Indar devta. We know that Indar devta engaged in extra-marital (or illegal) sexual contact. The same is done by this queen. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 It is really upsetting to see the sexual behaviour of this queen. Why not, get married again to someone of royal blood? Why have an illegal secret sexual affair with a man (possibly a commoner)? She could have also tried to marry a good king of another state. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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