Is Meat allowed in Sikhism or not?

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Dear Members,

We came to this conclusion that discussing meat issues bring disunity within panth, so we decided to make one post as reference where we will try to gather all the information regarding meat issues.

Please don't start any new topic on meat and use this thread to make your mind.

Is Meat allowed within panth or not?

Final Ruling from Akal Takht

The Akal Takht represents the final authority on controversial issues concerning the Sikh Panth, in this regard the issue of meat eating has been settled. Hukamnama issued by Akal Takht Jathedar Sandhu Singh Bhaura dated February 15th 1980 that Amritdhari Sikhs can eat meat as long as it is jhatka meat and that eating meat does not go against the code of conduct, Kurehit, of the Sikhs. Thus a Sikh cannot be excommunicated for eating meat.

Dam Dammi Taksal's view on this issue.

http://www.gursikhijeevan.com/media/video/index.php

Akhand Kirtani Jatha's view on this issue.

http://www.akj.org/skins/default/books.php...d=3&start=4

Misconceptions About Eating Meat by Sandeep Singh Brar

http://www.sikhs.org/meat.htm

Misconceptions About Eating Meat - Sri Guru Granth Sahib Quotes

by Sandeep Singh Brar

http://www.sikhs.org/meat_q.htm

Meat Eating and Rehit Maryada

by Prof. Gurbax Singh Shergill

http://www.sikh-dharma.org.uk/vegetarianism/meatrehat.htm

TOUR TO THE EAST

(Kurukshetra, Panipat and Delhi)

http://www.sikh-dharma.org.uk/vegetarianism/kurukshetra.htm

Siri Guru Granth Sahib, page 1289 - 1290

http://www.sikh-dharma.org.uk/vegetarianism/1289-90.htm

Please, go through all links we have posted above to read about this issue from scholars research and Gurbani references. Thanks! to my friend sukhraj singh for collecting all these links and sending them to us.

Note: If you have any other link which has any relevent information, please send it to us and we will post, if that has any new research.

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Here is information related to meat and jatka from Nihang point of view as well.

Contributor: Narsingha

Something to think about....for those harassing the poor little Goat.

‘An elephant’s flesh is not edible for he is full of pride,

The lion is also full of pride of its strength so no one eats it either,

Humble is the goat it gains honour in the here after and this world,

In all celebrations is it [the meat], acknowledged,

It [the meat], sanctifies religious gatherings and feasts,

Its meat is ‘Pavitar’ [good/sacred] for the householder,

From its entrails [tendons] is string for instruments made that when they play, attracts holy men in meditation

From it’s skin are shoes made, which holy feet wear as they go to seek holy protection [to Guru].

With its skin are bound drums with which ‘Kirtan’ [religious songs], are sung,

Hence, they [goat-skin bound drums] give great comfort.

The holy gathering is coming into the Guru’s protection.’

(Bhai Gurdas Ji’s Varan, Bhai Gurdas, ‘Var 23, Pauri 16’)

from: http://www.shastarvidiya.org/htmls/chatka2.html

Posted: 06 Aug 2003 09:14 am Post subject:

For those wanting a vegetarian Khalsa:

‘How can vegetarianism work where there is constant war?

How can a Vegetarian Panth survive there?

How can vegetarians survive there, where there is daily war, daily bloodshed?

There you might have to survive by drinking the enemy’s blood.

There are such difficult circumstances.

In Banda Bhadur Bairagi’s Panth were Sadhus. How could they know of this?’

(‘Pracheen Panth Prakash - Stik’, by Shaheed Rattan Singh Bhangu, translated by Akali Nihang Baba Santa Singh, Pa. 377-378)

from: http://www.shastarvidiya.org/htmls/chatka4.html

For all those wanting to be a Khalsa, listen to this:

'Be initiated into the Khalsa and go hunting.

Preserve the martial traditions any way you can.

Chatka goats and eat them.

Do not eat carrion or Halal meat [animal slaughtered in the Muslim way].

Nurture your long hair.

Do not cut your hair with a razor.

Forsake your ancestral ways.

Focus on the Guru's feet.

They who get on the wrong path punish them.

Whatever method [of initiation] the Guru has ordained, do it.

From five Bhujangis [Nihangs] be initiated.'

Oh this is another amazing scene, as described by Shaheed Rattan Singh Bhangu in Pracheen Panth Prakash. Bhai Vir Singh quotes from this text:

Subegh Singh, is acting as a Moghal agent and has gone to meet the Khalsa Singhs:

'Where the Khalsa had made its base, battle drums played and battle standards fluttered in the air.

He [subegh Singh] arrived where the Singhs were.

Ahead the Khalsa was gathering.

Scriptures were being read and musical instruments played.

Cannabis was being ground and meat roasted.

Some Singhs massaged the horses, while others cleaned their weapons.

Some fired their arrows, some their muskets and others were spinning chakars [quoits].

Some Singhs massaged other Singhs while some fanned the congregation.

Others fetched water from far which helped the Singhs to bathe.

Some were sharing [food] others not [i.e. eating alone].

Running around, the Singhs did service.'

('Pracheen Panth Prakash', by Shaheed Rattan Singh Bhangu, Expurgated by Bhai Vir Singh, , Pa.212)

from: http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/sikh_akali11.html

Point to Note:

1) The Singh Khalsa are drinking cannabis, and eating meat and they doesnt seem to be a shortage of food. So, why do vegetarian Khalsa claim that meat was only eaten during times of extreme famine?

2) The Singh Khalsa seem pretty calm, and are carrying out their daily chores, and it appears cannabis and meat are part of their daily life from what we can see. So, why do the vegetarian Khalsa claim that this was not done?

3) The scene described above can be seen today with Nihang Dals around India, yet, vegetarian Khalsa claim that modern Nihangs are fakes simply because they eat meat and drink cannabis.

4) None of the Singhs desribed in the scene above seem to be drunk, in fact, Rattan Singh says "Scriptures were being read and musical instruments played. " . As anyone who is aware, playing traditional musical insturments such as Rabab, Taus, Dilruba, etc require a LOT of skill and effort, and cannot be played if a person was drunk. A drunk cannot read scriptures either. Note: The Vaaja was not used as this is an Italian instument introduced later, and did not even exist in Khalsa armies/camps.

Here is another gorgeous quote from Giani Gian Singh Nirmala's Naveen Panth Prakash, used as a definitive historical text by all modern day post-British Raj Sikh institutions such as the AKJ, SGPC, Sant followers, Taksali Singhs, etc.

'Listening [to the coming of the Afghans] the Singhs got ready.

They adorned weapons and chain mail on their bodies.

They did chatka [killing with one blow] of goats and drank goblets of opium and Sukha.

Gurbux Singh was the groom, and the others, the wedding party.'

('Naveen Panth Prakash', Giani Gian Singh Nirmala, Bhasha Vihbhag, Pa. 928)

So, it appears according to this, that even the the great Akali Nihang Baba Gurbux Singh Ji who was:

a) born in 1688

took amrit i 1699(?) at Anandpur from Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh ji (read his history)

c) was taught Gurmat Vidiya by Bhai Mani Singh Nirmala

d) was taught Shastar Vidiya by Akali Nihang Baba Deep Singh Ji Shaheed

e) was a scribe and wrote many Pothis and Gutkas of Gurbani to be distributed around the Khalsa

f) a Nihang of the Budha Dal, and as the modern Damdami Taksal claim him to be their 3rd Jathedar

.....ATE MEAT, DRANK GOBLETS OF OPIUM AND SUKHA

Indeed, Baba ji is recognised as a Gursikh by the Damdami Taksal.

Here is an old painting of AKALI NIHANG BABA GURBUX SINGH Ji

Gurdwara Shaheed Ganj (behind the Akall Takhat) commemorates Baba ji's Shaheedi Pehra

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Here is thread to read all the quotes from Guru Granth sahib related to meat.

Please follow this link.

http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=1627

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One more update regarding meat.

http://www.shastarvidiya.org/htmls/mahapar...troduction.html

[Hari]

Found this English translation of p.123 of Gyan Ratnavali by Shaheed Bhai Mani Singh at http://www.sikhs.org/guru1.htm

When the Guru visited Kurukshetra in Haryana, a big fair was being held at the holy tank to celebrate the solar eclipse. There were a large number of pilgrims all over the country. On his arrival at the fair, Guru Nanak had Mardana cook them a meat dish of a deer presented to them by one of his followers. Upon finding that meat was being cooked on the holy premises, a large angry crowd gathered in anger to attack the Guru for what they thought amounted to sacrilege (Bhai Mani Singh, Gyan Ratnavali, pg. 123). Upon hearing the angry crowd Guru Nanak responded;

"Only fools argue whether to eat meat or not. They don't understand truth nor do they meditate on it. Who can define what is meat and what is plant? Who knows where the sin lies, being a vegetarian or a non- vegetarian?" (Malhar)

Can someone please post this section about Satguru Nanak eating deer meat in Gurmukhi from the Gyan Ratnavali, as I do not have access to Gyan Ratnavali.

It would be most appreciated.Thank you.

[mehtab]

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

"Only fools argue whether to eat meat or not. They don't understand truth nor do they meditate on it. Who can define what is meat and what is plant? Who knows where the sin lies, being a vegetarian or a non- vegetarian?" (Malhar)

according to my limited understanding, what Gurujee is saying here is that just by not eating meat one cannot attain God. That definitely is not a YES to eating meat.

bhul chukk maaf

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

[Beast]

Its definately not a no either.

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I like to share this research based post made by veer ji vijaydeep singh from gursikhijeeevan.com. I thought it was interesting.

Here is it what he writes:

Ek Oankar WahiGuru Ji Ki Fateh

Dear Brethren since das did go in for the study of Huqumnama of Sixth master which is told to be forbidding Sikhs to eat meat, Vars of Bhai gurdas Ji and life of Sixth master inGuru Bilas Patshahi Chhevin(in Granth Suraj Prakash by Giani Gian singh and Tika (Expalanation by Sodi Teja Singh) so Das took some time to reply.

Few words to be expalined like Hukumnama ie Letter(Nama) of order(Huqum) sent to A particular sangat at the the particular time. Hukum is order given in words to sangat or a section of Sikhs. Rahit nama is Letter of Rahit(prohibitions).

Few Sakhis state that in order to test First master told Second master to eat dead body. Likewise Second Master told Third Master on second meeting to eat meat to Let him be near Sikhism from Vaishnavism. Such orders wereonly relevant to the orderer and the orderee not for all Sikhs at all time other than giving them inspirations .

Lets talk of Huqumnama of Sixth master in qustion. There are four wrtings given in book of Ganda singh showing to be from Sixth master . The hukumnama was discovered by Bhai Randhir Singh point to be noted. From the place of Patna Sahib. The Takht of Patna sahib had oftrn kept more pro Hindu postures .

The bir Of Dasam Granth Sahib Kept there has more verses than Standard bir of Bhai Mani Singh. In that Bir we Have Chhake Patshahi Dasvin(Regarding goddess Durga.) perhaps Often Hindus interpret a verse from it thet Khalsa was formed for Hinduism and he prays to goddess. Panth does not recoganise it as standard bir(copy). If it is true it has different meaning.

So there are two hukumnamas which are telling Sikhs to “not to come near meat and Fish”. Firest is that we need to get a carbon dating done of thease papers to se if it is from gurudevs era. Other could be Dating of nuclear isotops. As we have sen that the writing of Sixth master on Nishan and mool mantra given on Firest copy of Adi Guru Darbar(Still could be seen at Thmu Ji Sahib,Kartarpur,District Jalandhar on Vaisakhi Day Research has confiremed it to be firest) . Is totally different from the rest of three writings. At last two hukumnanmas only it is written to not to come near meat and fish. In former Firest wrting at Kartarpuri bir words are wrtten joined whereas in other three writings they are written separated. May be other three were written by drafter and signed by Sixth master. But in both of the last two writings spelling of meat are apearing to be incorrect maybe it is true or maybe the photo graphs of the true copies are blurred. There vowel aa ie arha in Gurmukhi which is represented as dot in those writing is missing so it is read as mus(ink) not maas so a clearer photo graph is needed. But das is sure that it is pointing towards meat and fish.

It is addressed to sangat of east so doesit mean that it is only for them as present day Sikhs can not live with Japeji and Gurdas ji (Sikhs of those times if this gurdas is same Bhai Gurdas who wrote Varan as he also lived in east India At gurudevs time then This means that Sikhs were instructed to follow him) . Nor can we send all that to Sixth master what all he has asked for in letter like Koel or Pigeons etc. Any way As it is written that remain Ek Dasi(follower of one) so this is universally truth so it has to be followed. Many people say that in Malar di var first master did not addressed the man kind but a Vaishnav panda to not to hate meat so why canot we say that this Hukumnama is only addressed to Sangat of east not to mankind only due to universal fact mentioned in it which say Say the name of Kartar(creator) and reamain slave of one.

Firest Hukumnama has three pages. Sign of Gurdev are at 1st page. Perhaps this is the only letter which carries the name of gurudev ji(observation made by Ganda Singh). Telling not to come near Fish and Meat is on second page which does not have Masters signature but writing is similar to first page.

The second hukumnama only has mark of gurudev ie nishan. It has mention that sangat of east is his Khalsa. If this means Khalsa which was created by tenth master then this letter is fake as this lettr has to be much much before birth of Khlasa. Other meaning of Khalsa is the one who dierctly pay tax to king. So this may mean that thease Sikhs did not have any masands who were via media for tenthee (daswandh). But it is historical fact that we still have about five hundred thousend Nanak Panthi Sikhs in Bihar(East of India) who were made Sikhs by Missionary(who was previously a Sanyasi(acetic) by Sixth Guru. So we may have to see that if we did not have any Masands over there at that time. But it does contain name of bhai Jaita who is also mentioned in var 10 pauri 31 of Bhai Gurdas.the first letter had no such thing.

Guru Ji in letter one ask for an Ilaicha(Lacha) of rate ten to be sent to him. Lacha is cloth in rectangular form. It has border often made up of silk. Sikhism does not forbids Silk. In Bhai Gurdas Ji Var Silk is given in postive light.(var 17 pauri 15) silk has non-veg origion as made up of cocoon of insect. Like wise in Dasam Granth in Vichitra Natak Tenth master mentioned Nagaras during the wars he fought. Nagara(Big Drum beaten to create noise of War). Like wise we have mention of Dhole and mridnagam in court of God(read Arti sahib) . All of them have leather in it. So das has a questions to all those who say that in Malar Di Var Firest Master Talked meat in general term and not the meat to be eaten. Perhaps that fish is mentioned along it.

So few points to be noted.

If this hukamnama is true it was targeted to all sikhs but only at that time. As in first letter Gurudev ji state that he got the letter from Sangat and came to know Haqiqat(reality).Which he only knew. Ganada Singh who compiled the book also gave references to Sau Sakhi(the hundred testimonies) . Which states that Sikh of Guru Govind Singh can eat meat. Das himself has few doubts on some contents of Sau Sakhi which state that Sikh must not convert Turk in Sikhism or He should not learn Persian as such things were done by tenth master himself. And it goes against Dasam Granth. So all wrtings other than Adi guru Darbar and Dasam Granth Ji have to be tested on the Standard of the two books mentioned before. If it contrast the two great book it is unauthentic else usefull.

Ramraiyas, Dhirmaliyas consider(ed) themselves as Sikh of Sixth Guru but not of Tenth Guru. Dhirmaliyas were extinct after the conversion of their head Baba Vadbhag Singh into Sikhism(he was Baptised by Nawab Kapur Singh). Ramraiyas still exist with headquarter in Dehradoon ,Uttranchal ,India. They consider themselves as Hindu.

Sikhs of Guru Hargovind Sahib Ji did not carry name as Singh, nor they were having Saber nectar the Khanade bate da Amrit. They use to have Charan Pahul. Panj Piaras were not baptized. It is fact that all gurus were one that is due to the fact that all were one with God. Who is Nit Nava(always new) and Bahurangi(Multi colored). Words common in Gurbani. This signifies the nature of our God. He is not bound by any predefined law but makes law for us and Change them too. He is the King of Kings( Rajan Raj). So posibility of change of will of God so the change of policies followed by God’s manifestations the great Gurus are a fact. Policy of Fifth and Ninth Gurus were of martyrdom and mass awakening were unlike the one followed by their successors who organized army and fought wars. So if Khalsa of tenth master has different code then the Sikhs of Sixth master then nothing to worry. Likewise at one time Seli Topi(a sort of cap was worn) but know cap is banned in Sikhs.

Gurbani is not the poetry as misrepresented by Hindus who call it poetry praising their deities. It is dhur ki Bani ie Voice of Pole( here meaning origin who is no one else than God). It is nothing else but manifestation of God in the form of words which guide us. So it is our Guru. Any one who doubts the Gurship of gurbani cannot be a Khalsa. As tenth Guru Said that If you want to see me see a true Sikh and if you want to talk to me read Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Since firest Master our guru has been God and word he sent to us in form of Gurbani. All ten master did not preach to follow them but bani,to worship God as told by him via Bani. Which was ihalm(Heavanly verses) coming down on Gurudevs,Bhagats,Bhats among others. All find place in Adi Guru Grnath Sahib.

A. Bani is not always in rein(TukBandi) Example see 37 and 38 verses of Japuji Sahib

“Tithai Bhagat vasai ke loa. Kare anandSacha amn soi..

Sach khnad vase Nirankar(u).Kar Kar Vaikhe nadir Nihal..”

See the combination Loa and Soi and Nirankar(u) and Nihal. It is message from God unbounded by rule but itself is a rule to be followed.

See 38 verse favourite to Damdami Taksal

“Bhau khala agani taptau. Bhanda Bhau Amrit t(i)at(u) Dhali..

Gharhiye sabad(u) Sachi Taksal. Jin Kau Nadir Karm(u) tin Kar..

So se the combination of Taptau and Dhali and Taksal and Kar.

Last line is “Nanak Nadri Nadir Nihal” odd fifth line out of pair.

Gurbani was not written by GuruDev Ji but was just transferred to us from God via Gurudev(his own manifestation.

Such examples are plenty in Adi Guru Darbar.

B. Gurbani Did not carry Instructions for Sikhs. Gurbani is a Guide(Guru) what else does a guide contain if not instructions. There are many such examples but das is presenting one only Take for example Salok Mahala Nauvan which is near the completion(culmination) of Adi Guru Darbar take 25 th verse “the way bubble from water gets created and destroyed as a routine. The way is univrsal creation is created says Nanak Listen friend. “ Here ninth master is telling to listen and understand some thing. Like wise take 35 th verse or 48 th verse. So we have many such verses which give us instructions.

So When Tenth Gurudev completed the Damdami Bir (Copy of Adi Guru Darbar which had bani of Ninth Guru included) If he or his Master Akal Purakh would have wanted all the Sikhs to follow the hukum nama of Sixth Guru it might have had been included into Adi Guru Darbar. As in order to be for all Sikhs and mankind Bani can be in the form of order/instruction. Proven above. It may not be a poetry either. Likewise we have Letters also included in Adi Guru Darbar Example is Sabad “Mera man loche Guru Darshan Tahi” is Majh mahala Panjavan(Page 95 or 96 of Shri Guru Granth Sahib { das apologises to sangat for the fact that in Sateek copy of Adi Guru Darbar Page correspondance with mool Bir is not accurate so in case of doubt for exact page two adjacent pages could be given Sangat can find it on any one of the page)}) This Sabad composes of letters written to Fourth Gurudev By Fifth guru Dev.

C Likewise many brother say that at different times the same Holy Verses (Bani) has different meanings. As it is the handiwork of ever dynamic God this can not be denied. But their should be no doubt in Sikh’s mind should remain regarding the meaning of Gurbani. If we our self are unaware of it how can we preach other. Damdami Taksal was created with main purpose to maintain the Taksali(real) Arth(meaning) of Gurbani. So was the work of Prof. Sahib Singh Ji. Sant ji gave his comforts to let the Maryada(Code) of Gurbani remain.

So at last Das will say that if this hukumnam is true it has relevance only if it is proven in Adi guru Granth Sahib ji that Meat eating is not OK. If other wise proven then it will mean that the said Hukumnama was only addressed to the selected Segment or was only relevent in a particular time. Our Guru Granth Sahib Ji who are the Sabad,The Guru of all the Gurudevs Since First Master,

are our eternal Guru and No other thing can match our holy book.

GurBani is unpeckable for ages(jugo jug atal) and no one can twist it. Only non Sikh can think of “twisting” it. By calling Muslman written in Adi guru Darbar Beiman Ramrai was shuned by his father(Seventh Master for ever),When Bhai Mani Singh wrote Adi Guru Darbar in the patteren of writers then in the patttern of Ragas he Had to pay for it by letting his body part cut. So no one can replace Gurbani.

Before we procede to see if meat is allowed in Gurbani or not lets have a look at the life of Sixth Guru.

Mohsin Fani wrote an account on his life. His being muslim does not debar him from writing truth as he was very near to Gurudevs time in chronology so panth belives in his account. By clubbing and generalizing all Muslims together and saying that if Muslim write true for Sixth Guru so we must believe in other Muslims who wrote about other gurudevs is like saying if we believe in Marco polo as he was Christians so we should also believe in fictions writer Rudyard Kipling or forecaster nostrodamous as they were also Chrestians.

Mohsin Fani wrote that gurudev converted Muslims in Hinduism (Sikhism in reality) if he was wrong., Lets Say Giani Gyan Singh was wrong. But is Gurudwara Kaulsar is also wrong which was made by Gurdev for Mata Kaula who converted to Sikhism from Islam. If we are believing in other things from the accounts of Mohsin Fani or Giani Gian Singh but not believing things which go against our secternal ego we are closing our eyes like pigeon does on seeing the cat coming to catch it. Suraj Prakash Granth ras 4 to 8(called Guru Bilas Patshahi Chhevien) have the account of Sixth Guru life and it is supposed to be the source of most of the writings putting light to his life.

As per Giani Gian Singh Account Gurudev Kept Falcon (Baz) which is a bird kept to hunt other birds, Skirmish between the Gurudev and mughal king did happened as Bazs of both of them came down with same Surkhab (Bar -Headed geese), Gurudev fed the meat of dead quail to his falcon, He killed a wild boar, Departure of his son Baba Gurdita from world also highlights an attempt of Sikh to hunt dear.

Here Bhai Gurdas is reported to tell something to Baba Budha ji.

Similar observations were made by Bhai Gurdas Ji himself.

See Var 26 Pauri 24

“Earlier Gurus use to sit on asan(a sitting place) and preached satisfaction but this guru keeps dogs and play(go for) hunting.”

Note dogs (genetically) same as wolves, Cheetahs, Caracal are hunting animals which were kept in past by hunters due to their instinctive skills as hunters viz. a viz. Their pray ,which humans utilized to get his own pray/game in hunting. So Dogs kept by Gurudev Ji were kept only to hunt. Dog could only hunt herbivores ungulates at ease. This proves that Gurudev also hunted herbivores animals.

May be birds and animals killed by him to debar them to destroy crops as they could have been vermin. Tenth Nanak in Vachitar Natak wrote(page no. 60 of Shri Dasam Granth Sahib)

“ With various games in did hunting and killed Bear, Blue Bull (considered Cow by Hindus but this proved that Sikhs have not restrictions on cow Slaughter) , Swamp Deer etc. there.”

“Chose many Lions and killed(them) and destroyed Blue Bulls and Bears.”

So same animals were killed and recorded by tenth Nanak himself.

Nanak in tenth form did killed Dear.

This itself put end to those peoples argument who say that animal be not eaten as killing animal is forbidden in Sikhism. Gurbani itself states that life or death ,Good or evil are in God’s hand.

So if these animals were killed to protect crops then were not they being killed for food, That is instead of making them food they were killed to protect the potential food of Man.

So what is the answer for those who say to not to kill the animal for food.

Many people state that meat causes illness, It is not the meat but rotten food which causes the illness. So if such food is Veg. Than too it will cause the illness.

Many people say we have lots of other things to eat so why eat meat ?

So if this is something which God made for you to eat , By not eating it we are going against the Lord.

Likewise often we are told that on food if there is doubt over it should not be eaten.

People associate Liquor with meat. Whereas people combine both as non-veg diet seems to minimise damage done by liquor to body. It is like taking tonic with poison(which is liked due to habit/taste) With no fault of tonic. So in Haryana many Hindus do not eat meat but take alcohol with peanut, Cottage cheese, Walnut etc. should we ban them to.

Who are in Sikhs who are more near vegetarianism?

People who are very much under the influnece of Hinduism an belive in Sangrands, Puranamshis,Ekadashis etc. And on thease days abstain to eat cereals etc also. So later on they can debar us from saying that since the grains contain life so cereal be not eaten. So we may not eat Karha Prasad or Have amrit even as both have cereals(Amrit contains Batashas which has mix of sugar and cereal). Only Faith in worldwhich preaches vegitairianism is hindusim(including Jains).

2 .Other are “high Caste” Sikhs. Castes in Hinduisms like Jats, Jangirha(Carpanters) etc are staunch vegitarians. Kshatrias are been told in Manu Samriti to eat Goat mutton. According to high caste they have superior blood and Low Caste people eat unclean things. So we have Jat like Jaimal Singh who started Radha Swamis(Anti Sikh Faith), So we have another Jat of Ludhiana who is much more better and higher than Das himself yet unintentionally he also brought his Jat tendency into Faith by preaching anti meat policy.

People of some Jathas it perhaps appears do not eat from the hand of other Baptised Sikhs even in Gurudwaras even as lattter could eat meat leave aside eating in same bowl. This is casteism and nothing else as Panth preachs that God is in all so no one is unclean.

So if someones create doubt if to eat meat or not them Gurbani is there to remove doubts. A person can not be doubtfull and Sikh at same time.

Few use full terms.

Halal- Killing of animal by Muslim way ie draining out its blood till it dies of anemia. Panth is only against the killing of animal by brutality but concept of Halal or Kosher(“animal killed by jew rites) are against the Gurmat.

In old testment when Abraham(Abram at that time) sacrifises his child at that time his God tells him that kill animal by draining blood out of it as blood is life. Again Moses was also instructed on it. Islam does believe in Halal as Jews. Gurmat disagree that life is in blood and not in flesh. We believe God to be every where and not such discrimination based on matter which is decayable. As God is Same in flesh as in blood so why shed blood.

Sutak (Birth) and Patak (Death)- during such occasions in house food is not cooked as during such time it appears to be seen that house is not pure. As human membranes/body parts may disintegrate then and may contaminate food. Veg-Non-veg theory seem to work here.

They (the truest of the true) burn away the bonds of the world,

And eat a simple diet of grain and water.

(SGGS p467)

This is “ Those(people) broke the bond of world eaten cereal and water less.” .

In Indian AnnPani or Ann Jal is to stand for food in general. So here eating less is preached not eating cereal only. As sugar Part of Amrit and Karha prasad is not cereal yet used by us. It is not preaching to eat cereal and water only but to eat less.

You kill living beings and worship lifeless things, at your very last moment, You will suffer terrible pain.

(SGGS p332)

There it is written twice

“ Make deities (male and female) and offer sacrifice”

“Cut(Kill) living beings and worship non living (it) is heavy(difficult) at end(ie may lead to suffering aftwer death)”

If we read the whole Rag Gaurhi Bairagni 1 Kabir Ji to which it is a part we will come to know that verse is against deity worshiping and opposing the Sacrifises being made in front of non livig deities.

We will see another verse also (SGGS p477 or p478 ) This is bani of Kabir Ji.

“(you) pluck the leave (o) female gardener which has life but for stone(idol) these leaves are plucked that stone is non-living”

“Brahma is leaf, Vishnu is Branch, Shiva is flower”

In above mentioned also idol worshiping is forbidden and offering vegetarian material is to them is forbidden. So we are not told to not to eat veg food but not to worship deities. As we use Sehras(Flower garland) on SGGS, We use Dona(Leaf bowl) for Karrah Prasad which is not anti panthic.

(SGGS Page 474 or 475)

“One vessel full of cooked Chicken and one vessel full of water (liqueur) (is kept). Around it sit Five yogis(vices) and in between nose less(Shame less) Queen(mammon)”

Here a poetic way is used to explain mammon related matter with the example of 3 ms of Tanatric type of people ie Madira(Liqueur),Mans(Meat) and Maithun(Sex) which is their form of worship. Panth opposes such worship.

Do not say that the Vedas are false, false are those who do not reflect. If in all is one god, then why does one kill the hen ?

(SGGS p1350)

It is in reality

“do not call Vedas (or) Kateb(bible and kuran) false but false are who do not think (on them). If (you) say one God in all than why (do you) kill hen..1..Mullah tell (is this the) justice of God. Illusion of your mind does not go..1..Rahau.. Living Creature is held (and) brought, body got destroyed, Mud is trampled. Light(of creature) gets assimilated to lord, than what is Halal..2..”

So this is addressed to Mullah who is killing(Halal) the hen. This is reproted about the hypocracy of him that once he consider that God is in all(as told in Vedas and Kateb) then why should there be halal and as at end body (and other matters) are going back to soil.

Sayeth Kabir, that the best food is eating kichree (daal/lentils) where nectar sweet is the salt.

You eat hunted meat, but which animal is willing to have their head cut ?

(SGGS p1378)

Here lets see

“Kabir doing force is oppression, says name is Halal.(in) office of God when account will be asked than what will be condition (who will be responsible)..187.. Kabir good to eat Khichari which has salt(like) nectar. For Hera(meat) roti(bread) who should get the throat slit..188..”

here Hera is described as meat with spices for taste.

so Kabir Ji opposed Halal and prefer to eat Khichari than meat for which thraot is slit here of animal and with God of defaulter.

Hera seems to be coming from Herna ie searching in bhojpuri dialect(of area where Kabir Ji lived). Yet as per Gurbani traditions Hera here is used for meat.

In halal throat sliting is must but not in Jhatka.

In this dark age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs;

They eat rotting dead bodies for food.

(SGGS p1242)

Here we have “ In Kaliyuga people have become dog mouth (i.e. greedy),Their food has become Murdar(the unruly(unauthorized) provisions(like bribe))”

Murdar is not murda(Dead) as term is used by first master in Siri Rag(SGGS p23 or 24) .

Sayeth Kabir, sayeth thou by "forcefully" killing living beings, Halaal.

When in God's house, your accounts be taken, what will then there happen to you!

(SGGS p1375)

Here we have “Kabir if you kill living beings with force and say it halal. When in office(of God)you will be accounted for than what will be the situation.”

Here he again opposes the halal. Many people say Jea stands for self (heart) and killing jea means here suppressing self with force but Das thinks that here Jea stands for living beings.

Kabeer bhang mashalee suraapaan, jo jo pranee khaan-he

teerath barat neym kee-ey, te sabh rasaatal jaan-he (1377)

It has meaning

“ Who so ever eats cannabis, Fish, Alcohol drink. (in spite of their) doing pilgrimage, Abstaining ,living a life with rules they are going to nether world(as per Islamic Background of Kabir Ji this is implies hell)”

Panth opposes pilgrimage and abstaining but support the life with rule. But Kabir Ji does not support the heavan or hell as per panthic idealogy (SGGS p)335 or 336. Here it could be implied that such person may be given rebirth or his God deeds go down (the drain) or may be Punishment by God.

But people targeted are those hypocrites who at one time take intoxicants (Fish could be a safe guard against ill effect of liquor) and do other rituals along side may not get salvation.

Lastly we have “ (If) Blood attaches to cloth ,Dress becomes unclean. Mind of person who drinks the human blood can how be clean”(SGGS p141 or 140). This was said to be addressed to qazi(judge) for him to be just in his deeds.

Now lets start for Sabads which appear to support Non -veg consumption.

For the following all the sabads Das request the Sadh Sangat to Read them all in totality here das is only giving quotes out of them.

Following Sabad has a legend that once while seeing fisherman catching Fish Gurudev’s Companions Balal Ji and Mardan Ji became unhappy so first master got this Bani from God.“He(God) is fisherman,(he is )Fish,(He is )water,(He is also )the fishing net. Type of beads tied to net and Mani precious stone obtained from the Stomach of fish is also God.(SGGS p 22 or 21).

Here Jains were too concerned about not killing living beings das only gives one quate from whole of verse “That God only kill or keep the living being alive no one else can keep them.”(SGGS p 148 or 149) Das ask you all to read this whole verse in SGGS .

Now das gives an account of Sutak.

Kabir Ji also wrote about it on pages 330 or 331 of SGGS.

Das requeat sangat to read it.

Das has already wrote above that sutak and Patak are terms used by Hindus for birth and death event in home and food is considered to be unclean at that time due to the introduction of perhaps non-veg elements in atmosphere of home due to decay of dead body or discharge of delivery from mother or son. This is of organic past ie it is from living beings.

So on page 471 or 472 of SGGS das is only giving few quotes must be seen in context.

“”as much are the grains of cereal they are nothing else but living beings.” “Water is life which gives freshness to all.” “Sutak Uncleanly ness is not removed just like that but (divine) Knowledge remove it wash it.”

“ for uncleanly ness to be spread from one to another as told is illusion(untrue). Life and birth is (under the) order (of GOD) ,With his will coming and going(life and death) occur. Edibles and drinkables is clean which is given as roji (reward of employement )by God. Says Nanak

Those who understand the crux of Guru’s saying are devoid of uncleanly ness.”

Lastly das considers the Var Malar Ki M.(Mahala) 1

content on p 1288 or 1289 of SGGS

We have clear views of Akahnad kirtani Jatha that here Guru Ji did not said us to eat meat so we will not take it as order to eat meat.

Other people say that this was only addressed to a vaishnav brahamin.

Lets take the former argument see some examples below

Sayeth Kabir, sayeth thou by "forcefully" killing living beings, Halaal.

When in God's house, your accounts be taken, what will then there happen to you!

(SGGS p1375)

Here Kabir Ji did not tell us to not to kill by halal or not to eat halal but we have implied it from the crux of massage that we are forbiddan to take Halal.

“ Who so ever eats cannabis, Fish, Alcohol drink. (in spite of their) doing pilgrimage, Abstaining ,living a life with rules they are going to nether world(as per Islamic Background of Kabir Ji this is implies hell)” (1377)

Here to by giving us some other words we are told to not to take things mentioned above.

So we must not assume that Gurbani is what we desire it to be, We canot ask Kings of King(God) to say as we want, Rather we will have to understand what he said.

Second case is that if this is only for brahmin.

Had it been so then it would have been only an updesh and not the Part of Adi Guru Darbar each of its Verse is guidance to mankind. It is bringing Castism into our Holy book also like in Hindus we have some scriptures reserved for some castes.

Gurubani has addressed made to Sants,Mullahs, Perhaps bhai Lalo also but they are divine words for us all. In verse mentioned before dealing with Jains Guru JI preach them to take bath. Since it is only for jains so we must not take bath. In fact it is good for to take bath for all.

Verse as follow

..Salok m. 1 .. Initially Conceived by Flesh (Meat)(process of mother getting pregnant),Then lived in flesh(mothers body). When got birth got Bone, skin ,body which is also flesh. Came out (of womb) got food (from) flesh as from breast feeding . Mouth, Tongue all are made up of flesh,Breath(Life) live in flesh. Grew up, Got married brought flesh(wife) at home. Flesh reproduces flesh(Children are born) and all relations are produced by flesh. When meet with Satguru, Realize the will of God than only this whole action gets validity. Says Nanak that by self attempt we are not delivered and by thease saying goes to destruction. (Das comments that this implies that Salvation can not be obtained by Humans weather to remain veg eater or not).

..M 1.. Fools quarrel on meat (flesh) not knowing (divine) knowledge, remembrances. What is meat what is vegetable which contains Sin. As per angels nature humans sacrificed Rhino to them for Yagna(worshipping on alters). People who leave meat and sit holding their nose eat human at night. They hold and pretend to people did not think of the knowledge, Remembrance. Real blind is the one who earns blindness(Ignorance towards Justice/Truth) whose hearts(minds) are without eyes(of knowledge). Produced by blood of parents but do not eat meat or fish.(das wants to know that is only that brahmin in born out of blood of parents and are we all not).When man and woman meet at night it is utilisation of flesh. Concieved by flesh, Born of flesh wall are pots of flesh.(this means we cannot free ourselves of flesh inspite of not eating it). This brahmin who consider himself as clever does not thinks of knowledge,Rememberance.(this means we are told to not to follow the hypocratic vegitarianism of Brahamin).Dislike the exterior flesh but like lord flesh of home(Family). Living beings(animate(Jant)) are from flesh and (had initial) stay (in flesh womb). Those who have blind(fool) Guru leave edible and eat Inedible (Perhaps edible here is Meat and latter is consumption of food earned by unfair means. As here we told that for such people do not eat meat ,The same people also leave edible(do not eat it) so this implies that meat is edible.). Meat is puranic meat is katebic(as mentioned valid in them) the four ages earned meat. In Yagnas and marriges meat is prevailing (it is still ture). Man, Woman, kings, emperors all evolved out of flesh. If they are sen going to hell than should not have taken offering from them. Quite strang that givers go to hell and taker goes to heavan. ‘clever’ pandit does not understand himself but explains the other people. O Pandit you do not know that from the meat comes. Water produces Cereal, Sugercane, Cottan etc. Tribhuvan (whole worlds) is made up of water (scientifically true that fluid created all)(so meat, Cottan, Cereal, Sugercane all are made up of one thing so could they be hated or loved alike). As per pandit water is holy but it also takes into various corruptions and it changes it form into various rasas(chemichals) so by leaving all things mentioned then only could one be Sanyasi(aesetic) says Nanak.

Lastly Das will look Into vars of Bhai Gurdas Ji

The Vars of Bhai Gurdas Ji are known as the 'kunji' (key) to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

Var 31 pauree 9 : "Just because the Guru has saved the butcher,That does not mean that we can kill animals and eat them."

It states “If butcher has been salvaged it does not mean that Creatures be killed and destruction be eaten(brought in).”

Bhai Ji wanted us to relaise to not kill creatures on pretext that Butcher Killed them so he got salvation Killing is not the media of salvation . Salvation is not obtained by killing(for getting salvation copying Butcher) but by will of God.

See Var 23 Pauri 13.

Discourse by medium of Goat.

Due to pride elephant is not eatable,Due to power Lion is also not eatable.

Due humbleness Goat is respected every where. On deaths,Marriges etc and on Yagnas ,its eating is acceptable. Householder consider its flesh as clean ,Its intestines are made as strings in musical instruments. Its leather is used to make shoe for Saints who are absorbed in devotion for God. Tablas and mridangas are made of its skin so in Sadhsangat(company of holy men) beneficial glory of God is sung. Going to the Company of holy/godly men is going in refuge of true guru.

Var 25 Pauri 17

(Goat)

when goat reached lion for being killed it laughed .

Lion asked with surprise that on this occasion why are you laughing.

With humbleness goat said that our male offspring’s are casterised.

Inspite of our eating plants like aak and dhatura(both are not good for man) our skin in pulled and beaten.

(Whereas you who) eat meat after cutting the throat what will be your Situation.

At end body of proud and humble be ashes but of Proud(lion) it is unedible but for Humble its body id edible. Whoso ever comes to world will have to die.

So this proves that all have to die but humble like Goat is great as after its death its body is used as a food (by man) but not same for lion.

Point to be noted that lion can eat Goat or other lion so for lion flesh of lion is not edible but for man flesh of proud lion is unedible.

Das thanks Sangat as he could read so many great things in Adi Guru Darbar Ji,Dasam Granth Ji, Var Bhai Gurdas Ji, Huqumnamas and other great books.

Main Reason for dass writing this article was to let panth comes out Hinduisms bad influence of vegitarianism which trys to turn lion into sheep.

At end das seeks an apology in the feet of panth if any mistake has been commited.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Fateh

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[kabbadi_singh]

Brian defined living foods, (for those in audience who didn't know), as foods that are vegetarian and raw. Each food has a different energy vibration level. Hippocrates is working on developing ways to match an individual`s energy needs with the energy levels of foods. In a new book to be published in June, "Living Food", there are (color) Kirlian photos of food, showing their energy levels. A piece of raw romaine lettuce has a small aura, 0.5 inches around it, of green color - a moderate quality living food. The same lettuce, when cooked, has no aura = no energy. Raw sunflower greens, and wheatgrass, have large auras, 2 feet around them, and the aura has the colors gold, white, and purple. The same items, after being cooked, have no aura. Raw meat shows brown energy, going in; cooked meat has a black aura - it sucks energy from you. This shows that you don't have to eat meat for it to drain your energy!

I will try to find out more about the Aura and meat eating. What meat does to your Aura.

Please also listen to Giani Thakur Singh (Damdami Taksal wale) regarding maas on: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/katha/gts.html

[Infernal Monk]

Such a small issue for us to argue about...

I mean what is meat?

It's good for your body, not the same as protein for vegetarian sources.

Ask just about any weight lifter.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Meat is allowed. It is a fact. Guru Sahibs cooked it too.

[Guest Sardar Moderator Singh]

Such a small issue for us to argue about...

I mean what is meat?

It's good for your body, not the same as protein for vegetarian sources.

Ask just about any weight lifter.

Infernal Monk,

Please note that there are many Vegetarian and Vegan bodybuilders and like, however it is important to note that they tend to use a lot of protein shakes and amino acid supplements.

SMS.

[kabbadi_singh]

Esoteric Reasons Not to Eat Meat

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

The difference between flesh foods and vegetarian foods resides in the relative amount of sunlight they contain. Fruit and vegetables are so steeped in sunlight that one could say they are a condensed form of light. When you eat a fruit or a vegetable, therefore, you are absorbing the sun's rays; and light leaves very little waste. Whereas meat has only a low content of sunlight and this explains why it rots so quickly. And anything that rots quickly is very injurious to health.

The hormones of fear and anger

But the harmfulness of meat has yet another origin. When animals are being led to the slaughterhouse they sense where they are going and what is going to happen to them and they are mortally afraid: terrified. Their terror disrupts the proper functioning of certain glands which start to secrete toxic substances and there is no way of eliminating that poison from the flesh of the animal: man ingests it in his meat, it enters into his own organism and, naturally, it is not conducive either to good health or to long life. You will say, ‘Oh, but meat can be so delicious!' Perhaps so, but you never think of anything but your own pleasure and satisfaction. The only thing that interests you is the pleasure of the moment, even if it has to be paid for by the death of countless animals and the ruin of your own health.

Meat attunes us to the lower astral

In addition, you must realize that everything we eat is like an antenna within us which picks up certain specific wave-lengths. Meat tunes us in to the astral world, in the lower regions of which teem masses of beings, all devouring and preying on each other like wild beasts. By eating meat, therefore, we are in daily contact with the fear, cruelty and sensuality of animals. Those who eat meat maintain this invisible link with the animal world: they would be horrified if they could see the colour of their auras.

Heavy karma

And, finally, anyone who takes the life of an animal is assuming a very heavy responsibility: it is breaking the commandment, ‘Thou shalt not kill'. When men kill animals for food they are not only depriving them of life, they are also depriving them of the possibilities for evolution which Nature had planned for them during this life. This explains why each human being is accompanied through life - although invisibly - by the souls of all the animals whose flesh he has eaten. They press in on him, claiming satisfaction for the wrong he has done to them: ‘You have deprived us of the possibility of evolving and learning, so now it's up to you to take care of our education'. Although the animal soul is not the same as that of human beings, yet animals do have souls and he who has eaten the flesh of an animal is obliged too put up with the presence of its soul within him. This presence manifests itself in states of mind which belong to the animal world, and this is why, even though someone may wish to cultivate his Higher Self, he finds it very difficult to do so: the animal cells refuse to obey his wishes, they have their own free will which resists his. And this explains, also, why many of the ways in which man manifests do not really belong to the human but to the animal kingdom.

Don’t attract vultures

The food we absorb passes into the bloodstream and from there it attracts entities with which it has an affinity. As it says in the Gospel, ‘Wheresoever the carcass is, there will the vultures be gathered together', and this is true in the three worlds: physical, astral and mental. So, if you want to be healthy on the three levels, don't attract the vultures by eating carcasses! Heaven will never manifest itself through those who allow impurity to infiltrate them, whether it be physical, astral or mental.

A hidden cause of war

On the surface it may seem that wars are caused by economic or political questions, but in fact they are caused by our wholesale slaughter of animals. The laws of justice are inexorable, and men are going to have to pay with their own blood: they are going to have to spill the same amount of blood that they have caused animals to spill. How many millions of gallons of blood have been poured out on the earth and are now crying to Heaven for vengeance! And the vapours rising from all this blood attract not only microbes but also billions of maggots and pestilential entities from the invisible world. These are truths that most people do not know and which many may not accept, but whether they accept them or not I am bound to reveal them to you.

We kill animals, but nature is an organic whole, and by killing animals we are, as it were, wounding certain glands in that organism: when this happens there is a disruption of balance in the organism and it is not astonishing that, before long, war breaks out amongst men. Yes, men have slaughtered millions of animals for their meat without realizing that, on the invisible level, they are linked to certain human beings and that it is these human beings who are now going to have to share the fate of the animals. When we slaughter animals we are slaughtering men. Everybody agrees that it is time to establish a reign of peace in the world, that there must be no more wars. Yes, but war will go on just as long as we continue to slaughter animals because, by destroying them, we are destroying ourselves.

[Beast]

As it says in the Gospel, ‘Wheresoever the carcass is, there will the vultures be gathered together', and this is true in the three worlds: physical, astral and mental. So, if you want to be healthy on the three levels, don't attract the vultures by eating carcasses! Heaven will never manifest itself through those who allow impurity to infiltrate them, whether it be physical, astral or mental.

Praise the Lord!!!! Hallelujiah!

[kabbadi_singh]

It should also be noted that animal food keeps one at a very base, lower vibrational level, as can be observed in the muddy brown or black auras of frequent meat eaters.

[kabbadi_singh]

Meat:

Under meat all types of non–vegetarian foods are classified. Most of the animals that the meat comes from are herbivorous animals. Only the very low evolved, like the savages, eat meat-eating carnivorous animals. These animals eat plants and grass which in their turn get their nourishments from the Sun – the Spirit. It is the Prana in the sunrays that are assimilated by the plants and stored. This Prana nourishes the etheric bodies of all beings, both animals and humans, in short, all that breathe. This Prana sustains the etheric body and through it the matter contents of our bodies. Meat contains more of matter and less of spirit as the Prana is utilized by the animals. Thus eating meat nourishes only our physical body, depleting the etheric body and as the physical body is controlled by the astral body, it gives animal qualities to the astral body. Thus, meat eaters end up behaving like animals and also suffering from their diseases.

[Beast]

Only the very low evolved, like the savages, eat meat-eating carnivorous animals.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!

Humans have been eating meat for thousands and thousands of years, and in the process have evolved to become the dominant species on this planet.

The most intelligent animal is said to be a pig.

Dolphins have a sense of empathy not found in any other creature.

[Beast]

It should also be noted that animal food keeps one at a very base, lower vibrational level, as can be observed in the muddy brown or black auras of frequent meat eaters.

My aura is neither muddy nor black. I checked in the gents just now.

[Hari]

Kabbadi Singh, lets not bring pseudo science into this debate please.Kirlian photography :roll: .

[panth_ki_jeet]

very confusing

[Guest]

What you confused about panth ki jeet veer ji ?

[vijaydeep Singh]

Akal Sahai

This time Das is writing as from Nihungs side.

People say that mind is peacefull and tolrant for Vegitarians.

Here carnivorous Das is tolrant for the views of Veggis but Veggis may beat Das out of intolrance for non Vegitarians.

When we pluck the leave even in the respiration level of it there is a sort of change(it does not has nerves yet as per Jagdeesh Chandra Basu Plants too have life).

Man we are compelled to take breath,Via Air we get a lots of life in our body.God has made us compelled on Life is food of another life.

Ten Plants have 1 each level of energy taken in from sun. One Goat has to eat 10 Plants to survvie(if eats one plant it may not survive).

So When man eats goat,He/She has power of ten Plants taken from Sun.

We do not do Halal but Jhatka as per Shri 108 Bhi Kahan Singh Ji of Nabha, Animal killed by Eletric shock,Shoot or Single blow is good for Sikh.

Yes animal we eat should die a painless death.So same could be applied to plant. All Living Andaz,Jeraz,Setaz and Utbhhoj all have one Soul that soul is God.Semitic faith(few sects of them only) may feel otherwise But God is soul of All.

Reason that one must not eat meat just for taste is that,That to much of it may rise soory to be blunt seman count in male so mind may go more towards lust or Kama.

But there are vegatrian things like Choclate,Peanut,Dry Fruit,Doda Sweet,alchohal etc. etc..They also do the same.While such qulity is less in pork.

It is confusing.But yet Das is Meat eater and not a Vegitarian like one was Adlof Hitler.So Das does respect the views of Vegitarians as Just and Valid.And tolrate and humbly request them to respect the views of thoses who are not like them in there eating.

There is no sin to eat meat as life is in plant too,in air,in Water.

Jeewan mai,Jal mai thal mai,Sabh rooppan mai,Sabh Bhoopan mahi

(Triya charitar 266,Dasham Guru Darbar).

God is in life,Water,Land,in All forms,in All kings.

If some one who has seen Tenth Master,That person may have seen his Aura.

As per The Sakhi of Shameer Jat in Sau Sakhi(Mangal Prakash Granth),

Guru himself was eating Maha Prasad.

That book could be checked.And as Panth Decides.

But Das knows many Pandits,Jainis or even Vegitarian Sikhs,Who are Vampire as they drink blood of poor human being by being unfair in trade or business.

It is right of other ,which is forbbiddan to Sikh like beef or pork to Hindu or Muslim respectively.

That must be taken care off.

Akal Bless.

[desi baba]

problely heard it b4 but

maas maas kar murack chajerre gian dhain nahey jaine

[challenge_everything]

vah ji vah desi baba

[sag_roti]

Wrong question. Don't ask Is Meat allowed in Sikhism or not. Any compassionate person seeking God will not eat meat unless they have to in order to survive. Its really that simple.