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Don't know if this is the right forum, but want to let all the sikhs know that anti-sikh propaganda is in full flow on Wikipedia especially relating to 80's & 90's punjab massacres by showing all sikhs that were killed as militants. The objective obviously is to show sikhs who were (and are) fighting for separate state as anti-national and terrorists. This is going on from India. Have a look at this editor's edit history: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/DBigXray&target=DBigXray

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On 8/1/2018 at 6:59 AM, Garry13 said:

Don't know if this is the right forum, but want to let all the sikhs know that anti-sikh propaganda is in full flow on Wikipedia especially relating to 80's & 90's punjab massacres by showing all sikhs that were killed as militants. The objective obviously is to show sikhs who were (and are) fighting for separate state as anti-national and terrorists. This is going on from India. Have a look at this editor's edit history: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/DBigXray&target=DBigXray

Is this a recent development or is it going on for sometime?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

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On 8/1/2018 at 4:29 PM, Garry13 said:

Don't know if this is the right forum, but want to let all the sikhs know that anti-sikh propaganda is in full flow on Wikipedia especially relating to 80's & 90's punjab massacres by showing all sikhs that were killed as militants. The objective obviously is to show sikhs who were (and are) fighting for separate state as anti-national and terrorists. This is going on from India. Have a look at this editor's edit history: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/DBigXray&target=DBigXray

I am sorry, but in DEMOCRACY, anyone possessing illegal arms, guns etc. and killing innocent people (It's well known that innocent Hindus were killed in 80s by pulling out from the buses in Punjab by khadkoos) are known as militants and terrorists. Period.

Only if they could use their brains and constitutionally fight for the rights, the story would have been be altogether different. 

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On 9/10/2018 at 10:09 AM, akalpurkh said:

I am sorry, but in DEMOCRACY, anyone possessing illegal arms, guns etc. and killing innocent people (It's well known that innocent Hindus were killed in 80s by pulling out from the buses in Punjab by khadkoos) are known as militants and terrorists. Period.

Only if they could use their brains and constitutionally fight for the rights, the story would have been be altogether different. 

I hope you are aware of the fact that in Punjab they are using lethal amounts of pesticides and fertilisers which affect a person’s brain. A person’s thinking is distorted in such a way they can’t discern what is real from unreal. They live in the past and think it’s okay to do what they do. Brains or no brains, blame it on the food they eat containing dangerous amounts of oestrogens and bacteria.

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On 9/10/2018 at 10:09 AM, akalpurkh said:

I am sorry,

You don't really sound like you are sorry.

 

On 9/10/2018 at 10:09 AM, akalpurkh said:

but in DEMOCRACY,

Democracy is just power for the majority. Wasn't Hitler voted in on a majority democratic vote?

 

On 9/10/2018 at 10:09 AM, akalpurkh said:

in DEMOCRACY, anyone possessing illegal arms, guns etc. and killing innocent people

Ok, so what about those possessing LEGAL arms ie police, army etc and killing innocent people? Is that ok ?

 

On 9/10/2018 at 10:09 AM, akalpurkh said:

in DEMOCRACY, anyone possessing illegal arms, guns etc. and killing innocent people (It's well known that innocent Hindus were killed in 80s by pulling out from the buses in Punjab by khadkoos) are known as militants and terrorists. Period.

Ok. What about those who possessed legal arms and killed thousands of people in India. What are they known as ?

 

On 9/10/2018 at 10:09 AM, akalpurkh said:

Only if they could use their brains and constitutionally fight for the rights, the story would have been be altogether different. 

Well you can't fault the Sikhs for trying that, unless you are ignorant of Sikh history from 1947. The Sikhs did try and made many sacrifices. But they didn't win. Why?

 

On 9/10/2018 at 10:09 AM, akalpurkh said:

Only if they could use their brains and constitutionally fight for the rights, the story would have been be altogether different.  

I'm not sure what constitutional means would have been effective when someone in possession of a LEGAL gun is able to kill a person and be protected by the state. But I'm sure you do.

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On 9/10/2018 at 7:09 PM, akalpurkh said:

 

Only if they could use their brains and constitutionally fight for the rights, the story would have been be altogether different. 

Yes, indeed. Even after our gurdwaras had been attacked and countless innocent Sikhs were killed we should have just sat there hoping the government would give us justice. 

Stop having an opinion on something without having decent knowledge on the subject, beforehand. We did many protests, etc. before 1984 but then Operation Blue Star happened. Operation Woodrose later took place. All options were exhausted, weapons were needed. 

You saying that shows that you completely lack a brain. 

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On 9/10/2018 at 7:09 PM, akalpurkh said:

I am sorry, but in DEMOCRACY, anyone possessing illegal arms, guns etc. and killing innocent people (It's well known that innocent Hindus were killed in 80s by pulling out from the buses in Punjab by khadkoos) are known as militants and terrorists. Period.

When circumstances demand sikhs by all means should use weapons, you sound like you haven't read dasam granth. 

How do you know those hindus were innocent. You are blindly believing the government propaganda of the time which painted those hindus as innocent even though they may not be. 

Kharkus are not terrorists. Period. 

You have no idea of the circumstances of the time so you can shut up. Thank you. 

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10 hours ago, akalpurkh said:

So subjective, how do you know Kharkoos are not terrorists? 

 

 

"In the center of a busy Calcutta roundabout stands a 12-foot bronze statue of a celebrated freedom fighter, hanged by the British in 1909. The British called this man, and others in a violent nationalist movement trying to force the British from India, “gentleman terrorists” because of their education and high caste status."

http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/01/historian-examines-indias-gentlemen-terrorists 

Does struggling for freedom make these men terrorists? As you can clearly see the people of India viewed these men as freedom fighters, while the oppressive British government called them "gentleman terrorists". The kharkus were fighting for freedom under the regime of the Congress government, who called the kharkus "terrorists". Therefore, you are siding with the oppressive congress government of the time by calling kharkus "terrorists". 

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5 hours ago, tva prasad said:

"In the center of a busy Calcutta roundabout stands a 12-foot bronze statue of a celebrated freedom fighter, hanged by the British in 1909. The British called this man, and others in a violent nationalist movement trying to force the British from India, “gentleman terrorists” because of their education and high caste status."

http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/01/historian-examines-indias-gentlemen-terrorists 

Does struggling for freedom make these men terrorists? As you can clearly see the people of India viewed these men as freedom fighters, while the oppressive British government called them "gentleman terrorists". The kharkus were fighting for freedom under the regime of the Congress government, who called the kharkus "terrorists". Therefore, you are siding with the oppressive congress government of the time by calling kharkus "terrorists". 

Wow! Then what makes you think that the innocent Hindus killed by the kharkoos were not innocent?

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1 hour ago, akalpurkh said:

Wow! Then what makes you think that the innocent Hindus killed by the kharkoos were not innocent?

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Operation_Woodrose

""The main purpose of this Operation was to mop up all 20000 Amritdhari Sikhs, especially the young boys, from all villages of Punjab. During this mopping up operation the Army indiscrimi­nately picked up all Sikh boys and other Sikhs who had supported flowing beards and adorned Gatra, a small dag­ger, one of the five symbols prescribed by Guru Gobind Singh; It is preposterous that the Army branded in their official publication "Bat Cheet" all Amritdhari (Baptised)Sikhs as extremists and the Indian government led by Indira Gan-dhi had endorsed this grave disinformation spread by the blinded Army. Instead of asking the Army to keep their hands off the innocent Amritdhari Sikhs, the Indian gov­ernment framed draconian laws to facilitate the Army to carry out indiscriminate arrests of the Sikhs, young and old, alike."

http://www.1984tribute.com/Encounters.php?id=9 

http://www.1984tribute.com/Encounters.php?id=5

http://www.1984tribute.com/Jhujaroo-Jeevani.php?id=14

"The way Bhai Sahib was killed was the most brutal in present times. His fingers were cut tip by tip. His body was cut open, eyes gouged out but Bhai Sahib had just one word on his tongue, Waheguru. But this one word also irked the butcher Punjab police, so they cut off Bhai Sahib Ji's tongue. They thought they had stopped his simran, ended his love for his Guru, but fools didn't know that Brahmgiani Gursikhs don't need Body to do Simran. Their Surat is attached to Shabad all the time, and Bhai Sahib Ji's rom rom started saying Waheguru. At last after so much brutality, when Bhai Shaib Ji didn't give up and didn't tell police any secrets of Mission, Babbar Khalsa or whereabouts of fellow brothers, police shot him dead. Bhai Sahib's badly mutilated body was thrown in River Beas. They killed a person, but his Love, his memories, his sacrifice, his faith, his dedication still inspires and will inspire generations of Sikhs for centuries, who'll always remember Bhai Sahib was an Anokha (unique) Martyr of Sikh Panth. Bhai sahib was loved by all and he's still loved by all, irrespective of Jathebandis and Dals. His personality and jeevan was so great that all felt oneness with him."

 

 

PARNAAM SHAHEEDA(N) NU _/|\_

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1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

Where and when we’re innocent Hindus killed by kharkhus?

 

do you want examples of innocent Sikhs killed by legitimate weapons of democratic India? I have plenty. I’m sure you have none.

Veer ji, who knows what sort of government propaganda he's been reading. He's just ignoring the fact that operation Blue-star and operation Wood-rose even took place. 

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2 hours ago, akalpurkh said:

Wow! Then what makes you think that the innocent Hindus killed by the kharkoos were not innocent?

If you didn't know there was a government organisation comprising of Hindus called the "Black Cats", they would go around killing Hindus and rampaging about villages disguised as Sikhs. 

https://www.sikhfreedom.com/introduction-to-black-cats 

"When the freedom movement of Khalistan was at the peak, the Indian government adopted many immoral and insincere policies to suppress the movement. One of such policies was to malign the reputation of the Sikh fighters by forming groups of goons and criminals and sending them to the homes of the Sikhs to carry out immoral activities in disguise of Sikh freedom fighters. Such groups were called “Black Cats”. The intent behind this was to turn the public against the Sikh movement, giving the police more freedom to hunt down Sikhs and kill them in large numbers. These policies were kept at highly secret level. The groups of criminals, dressed as Sikhs, would go to different villages, loot the public and dishonor women. Because of the increasing activities of the Cats the public became aware of these groups. Some reporters managed to get interviews of some of the Cats which greatly exposed the tyrant Indian government. At first the police denied the existence of such groups but as more and more evidence came forward the police had no choice but to tell the truth in which they felt no shame and openly made statements favoring these groups and their activities. "

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