dalsingh101 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Soulfinder said: Thats what i did veer ji in the starting i used gyani thakur singhs audio for panj banis as it was a roman english scripts i use for paaths. Have you learnt Gurmukhi yet veer? Roman script transliterations really do my head in personally. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 On 10/10/2018 at 5:13 PM, Jageera said: Nevermind paapiman.I found both volumes till episode 169 at sikhinstitute.org.Thanks This is raw pre-British influence Sikh itihaas. Be ready to read stuff that might shock you if you've been heavily influenced by Singh Sabha style 'Sikhism'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfinder Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 44 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: Have you learnt Gurmukhi yet veer? Roman script transliterations really do my head in personally. lol No not yet veer ji but i am planning on learning gurmukhi soon as it will happen. You are right lol it sometimes does annoy using roman scripts as their are so many mistakes in all of dasam granth banis as i used and compared it with the audio so thats why i had to write out some of the pauris by hand or ms word as banis like shastar naam mala, brahm kavach and even nitnem banis have so many mistakes in them. My mum said in punjabi gutkas there are mistakes as well especially dasam banis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted October 11, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Soulfinder said: No not yet veer ji but i am planning on learning gurmukhi soon as it will happen. You are right lol it sometimes does annoy using roman scripts as their are so many mistakes in all of dasam granth banis as i used and compared it with the audio so thats why i had to write out some of the pauris by hand or ms word as banis like shastar naam mala, brahm kavach and even nitnem banis have so many mistakes in them. My mum said in punjabi gutkas there are mistakes as well especially dasam banis. Listen bro, you got to prioritise learning Gurmukhi asap. It ain't that hard if you do it the right way (and already know how to speak Panjabi). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfinder Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: Listen bro, you got to prioritise learning Gurmukhi asap. It ain't that hard if you do it the right way (and already know how to speak Panjabi). Veer ji i will yes as you are right i do need to make this my first prioty as i was looking today at Chandi Chirtar 2 online and the roman didn't match the words & didn't match the audio much. So i am gonna start hopefuly this weekend as its really important as my speech talking is really good so roman english wasn't that hard for me as i really wanted to at the time to learn nitnem and other dasam banis so it was easier to do roman english than learn gurmukhi back then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jageera Posted October 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: This is raw pre-British influence Sikh itihaas. Be ready to read stuff that might shock you if you've been heavily influenced by Singh Sabha style 'Sikhism'. Ok thanks for the heads up.It's a huge volume.Will go through it slowly.I'm also looking for material on the life of the Gurus.Used to have this old book written by some westerner on Guru Gobind Singh ji.Don't know where it disappeared. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 13 hours ago, Jageera said: I'm also looking for material on the life of the Gurus You can read books by Bhai Vir Singh jee on the life of the Satgurus. http://www.damdamitaksalitaly.it/Pages/Literature/Books/Bhai Vir Singh Ji all PDF.html Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 hours ago, paapiman said: You can read books by Bhai Vir Singh jee on the life of the Satgurus. http://www.damdamitaksalitaly.it/Pages/Literature/Books/Bhai Vir Singh Ji all PDF.html Bhul chuk maaf Remember that his histories were written during the colonial period and for all his strengths I think Bhai sahib was obviously heavily influenced by his British Christian Protestant education, as well as Anglo historiography. It's really interesting to juxtaposition his style of writing itihaas with the pre-colonial Sikh model as represented by Bhangu's work. Note the open honesty and realism of the uninfluenced Sikh model compared to the sort of whitewashed, puritan, triumphalism style of the British influenced writings. If you're wondering what I mean by 'triumphalism' here is a definition: excessive exultation over one's success or achievements (used especially in a political context). Paapiman you need to widen your reading too. Haven't you noticed a big difference in precolonial SIkh writing and those that come from the colonial period yet? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: I think Bhai sahib was obviously heavily influenced by his British Christian Protestant education, Heavily influenced or just influenced like we are (living and educated in western societies)? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, paapiman said: Heavily influenced or just influenced like we are (living and educated in western societies)? Bhul chuk maaf Heavily (in my opinion) to the point of creating a different belief system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: Heavily (in my opinion) to the point of creating a different belief system. That's astonishing, given the fact that Bhai saab Bhai Vir Singh jee was a Taksali Gyani (part of Gyani Sampradai lineage). Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 7 hours ago, paapiman said: That's astonishing, given the fact that Bhai saab Bhai Vir Singh jee was a Taksali Gyani (part of Gyani Sampradai lineage). Bhul chuk maaf As I get older I realise that the influences on BVS's writing is much more complex than most people imagine. I think you can read Panjabi, have a read of this to get an idea of how modern influences compelled him to make changes to puratan itihaasic documents. https://www.scribd.com/document/50691250/Bhai-Vir-Singh-s-editing-of-Panth-Prakash-by-Dr-Harinder-Singh-Chopra-Dr-Surjit-Hans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angy15 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 On 10/10/2018 at 2:33 AM, Jageera said: WJKK WJKF I grew up in a Punjabi Sikh family that practiced very basic Sikhi.Just the usual sunday Gurudwara and attending functions.I am keshdhari. I just know Waheguru,Mool Mantar and Kabyo Bach Benti Chaupai.This is all the prayers I've ever done. I would like advice from members and seniors here on where to begin.I have a deep urge to learn my own religion but I don't know where to start. Been binge watching Basic of Sikhi videos absorbing as much as I can.As I understand it's best to start with learning Gurmukhi. Thanks. Veerji you can start understanding Nanak philosophy by starting with Japji Sahib .I would recommend Prof Darshan Singh very simple Punjabi not hard to understand overall has a beautiful voice. Then ones you understand the essence of Japji Sahib.Go to Sidh Ghosat Katha this will help you understand how Nanak philosophy is different from hindu Yogi's and siddhas .then comes asa di var . Please remember don't be doing paat only you have to understand and do vichar of the shabad as to what Guruji is saying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 darshan rogi has launched a direct attack on the this precious so-called SRM. Look at this angy parasite's hypocrisy. Talks hot air about the so-called SRM and then uses those who have gone against the SRM as some sort ofd beacon for learning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angy15 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 hours ago, chatanga1 said: darshan rogi has launched a direct attack on the this precious so-called SRM. Look at this angy parasite's hypocrisy. Talks hot air about the so-called SRM and then uses those who have gone against the SRM as some sort ofd beacon for learning. You dont believe in SRM either .Aren't you and Darshan singh on same platform then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angy15 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 @chatanga1 Healthy Debate here kindly!!! Its was just a suggestion.Their are many non sikhs who have done teekas of Japji sahib.It has nothing to do with SRM .Anyone can compare his understanding of Japjee and decide by himself.No one is forcing anyone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 ^^^ Look at the issues we have. Look at how potentially off-putting they could be to someone trying to get closer to Sikhi...... hhhmmmm.. I think maybe we should start new threads about any issues and allow this one to be dedicated to Jageera's learning? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 32 minutes ago, angy15 said: You dont believe in SRM either .Aren't you and Darshan singh on same platform then So why are you relying on darshan rogi to be able to teach someone about Sikhi? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, angy15 said: Their are many non sikhs who have done teekas of Japji sahib.It has nothing to do with SRM There may be. But how many of these have made direct attacks on the SRM that you and ghaghri love? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angy15 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: ^^^ Look at the issues we have. Look at how potentially off-putting they could be to someone trying to get closer to Sikhi...... hhhmmmm.. I think maybe we should start new threads about any issues and allow this one to be dedicated to Jageera's learning? Admin ,Moderator kindly look into it we need a healthy debate here . He @chatanga1 is the one trying to spoil the discussion kindly issue him the warning. @chatanga1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 Yes let have a healthy debate and discussion by having to ask the same question 12 times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angy15 Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 1 hour ago, chatanga1 said: Yes let have a healthy debate and discussion by having to ask the same question 12 times. Do you have anything to offer here otherwise stop wondering here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/13/2018 at 2:24 PM, angy15 said: Do you have anything to offer here otherwise stop wondering here. Yes I'm trying to prevent a seeker (A_seeker) from falling into a pit of ignorance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jageera Posted October 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2018 Thanks all for your tips and contribution.I have 1 question.What is your opinion on this book 'The Sikh Religion' by Macauliffe?I managed to find volume 5 in my house.Interesting read.Just started on Guru Gobind Singh Ji's life.Is this book historically accurate? Also,what is the difference between SGGS 'Sanchian' and 'Steek'?Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 12 hours ago, Jageera said: Also,what is the difference between SGGS 'Sanchian' and 'Steek'?Thanks. Sanchain are volumes of guru granth sahib ji and steeks give meanings and arths of gurbani. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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