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12 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

@Jageera veer ji its really good that you keeping up the hard work. Believe its not a easy task stopping a habbit of any sort and its not going to away straight away. 

 

So you probably are having withdrawl symptoms which is normal and thats why your mind is playing tricks on you as you are trying to programe it via paath simran. So its best to ignore the minds thought craving and focus on the jaap and everything will be ok. 

 

Also keep doing ardas as well and keep yourself occupided with as much religious material as you can.

Thanks for the motivation Veerji. I don't know how to do Ardaas,always had a Granthi do it. 

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12 hours ago, Jageera said:

Thanks for the motivation Veerji. I don't know how to do Ardaas,always had a Granthi do it. 

Veer ji i am glad to help. Doing ardas is really easy i myself can't read or write in punjabi but i know it off by heart as the opening of ardas is from chandi di vaar which i have been reading for over 3 years. 

 

Here is a english roman script of ardas and hopefuly you can start learning it using a audio from youtube and repeating the words the same way i did with my paaths banis etc.

https://www.learnreligions.com/ardas-with-original-gurmukhi-and-english-translation-2993121

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16 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

Veer ji i am glad to help. Doing ardas is really easy i myself can't read or write in punjabi but i know it off by heart as the opening of ardas is from chandi di vaar which i have been reading for over 3 years. 

 

Here is a english roman script of ardas and hopefuly you can start learning it using a audio from youtube and repeating the words the same way i did with my paaths banis etc.

https://www.learnreligions.com/ardas-with-original-gurmukhi-and-english-translation-2993121

Veera, have you ever thought of learning Gurmukhi? Or tried? It's well worth the effort in my opinion. I know it isn't easy all the time though. 

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1 hour ago, dalsingh101 said:

Veera, have you ever thought of learning Gurmukhi? Or tried? It's well worth the effort in my opinion. I know it isn't easy all the time though. 

Veer ji i did try a few years ago than stopped. But i might try again as its hard always using roman english which makes it harder to read new banis. 

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18 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

Veer ji i am glad to help. Doing ardas is really easy i myself can't read or write in punjabi but i know it off by heart as the opening of ardas is from chandi di vaar which i have been reading for over 3 years. 

 

Here is a english roman script of ardas and hopefuly you can start learning it using a audio from youtube and repeating the words the same way i did with my paaths banis etc.

https://www.learnreligions.com/ardas-with-original-gurmukhi-and-english-translation-2993121

Thanks Veerji.I'll start trying to hear youtube and get the pronounciation right.

Is Ardas to be done daily?

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6 minutes ago, Jageera said:

Thanks Veerji.I'll start trying to hear youtube and get the pronounciation right.

Is Ardas to be done daily?

Yes veer ji its always best to ardas after doing paath simran. Its important as i heard a saakhi on Baba Harnam Singh Ji Rampurkhera Wale about the importance of doing ardas asap after any amount of simran paath etc.

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1 hour ago, Soulfinder said:

Veer ji i did try a few years ago than stopped. But i might try again as its hard always using roman english which makes it harder to read new banis. 

I think often the quality of the teaching is what puts people off or hinders them. Do consider trying again, but maybe approach the task in a different way than before.

If you can already speak/pronounce words in Panjabi, at least a third of the work is done already. 

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21 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

I think often the quality of the teaching is what puts people off or hinders them. Do consider trying again, but maybe approach the task in a different way than before.

If you can already speak/pronounce words in Panjabi, at least a third of the work is done already. 

You are right veer ji my speaking and listening skills in punjabi are really good as i always listen to punjabi material as the katha,kirtain deewans etc. 

 

So learning and many banis was a

hard at the start but i got better using the audios and repeating after the sounds.

 

It can be a bit off putting i do agree the way people teach but i am gonna download apps and look at videos for learning gurmukhi then see what happens.

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4 minutes ago, Soulfinder said:

You are right veer ji my speaking and listening skills in punjabi are really good as i always listen to punjabi material as the katha,kirtain deewans etc. 

 

So learning and many banis was a

hard at the start but i got better using the audios and repeating after the sounds.

 

It can be a bit off putting i do agree the way people teach but i am gonna download apps and look at videos for learning gurmukhi then see what happens.

Good on you. I think non traditional teaching methods are better than the traditional ones myself. 

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2 hours ago, Jageera said:

1 year update.

It's been a year and I haven't touched any alcohol or cigarettes during this past year by Maharaj's kirpa. Without a doubt I owe it all to a higher power that helped me to overcome an 18 year addiction. It all started on this forum and I would like to send my heartfelt gratitude to all members here that that helped me. Anyone else that comes across this thread and needs help feel free to pm me anytime. I learnt alot this past year and there's many tips I can give for those that seriously wish to kick their smoking and drinking habit.

Gurfateh.

Fair play to you...I know a few who went through same struggle... the higher power is the key

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5 hours ago, Jageera said:

Thanks Soulfinder Veerji for this gem. Now my Mool Mantar is always accompanied with this Salok. A different rhythm and emotion arises when it's read together with Mool Mantar.The emotion of begging,surrendering and asking for grace, to be spared from vices and everyday I stay away from vices,I know it's only possible because Maharaj has granted me this boon. I didn't do sava lakh jaap but at the beginning I was doing 1 mala of this with Mool Mantar daily. These days I do 1 mala whenever possible.

Veer ji very happy to share as i am glad its helping. And you are right veer ji its waheguru gurus sahib jis kirpa by doing the jaap. Its best to do the shabad jaap when you can get time as it does help making a connection with it.

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On 11/14/2018 at 5:31 PM, Jageera said:

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Any members here have battled addiction before?Other than abstaining,finding a new crowd to mix with,exercising etc, did you use any spiritual method to help you abstain and quit intoxicants?Any specific Shabads,Paaths used?Appreciate any feedback.Thanks.

 

 

That’s a tricky one. You need a therapist for sure I would suggest. Yoga is known to help addictions. 

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On 11/20/2018 at 9:41 AM, DeNiro said:

Wahguru ji ki fateh

I couldn't help but feel your situation because I know what it's like. I can only tell you what I know from the way I've handled things. Although its a stage of my life that I'm extremely ashamed of, I'm aware of the darkness and difficulties. 

I remember how I'd regret most mornings and promise to not do it again. Sadly, just past afternoon, when i'd be more or less fully sober, I'd fall into a sudden slump of depression. Worried about how I would make it through to the night, I'd be craving and planning my evening liquor session. The anxiety, frustration, and just the plain fear of being sober. Sometimes, it was as if I felt naked without any drink and needed it to cover myself up and be presentable.  My mind would be working full speed to convince me that tonight it would be okay just this once to get rat-assed again.  I went up and down like a yo-yo many times.  Problem was that I was looking to fill this hole that everyone looks for. As manukhs, we tend to fill the hole with 5 vices. When I went to AA meetings and was working on step plans, I found myself spending more time at casinos. Although I wasn't drinking, I was frequenting other naughty places as well as squandering thousands in casinos.  Now, after 20 years, I realize that the "hole" I was looking for was "naam" and because I never found any naam, I just went from drinking on to other vices.  There's people out there addicted to gossip, addicted to tv, addicted to kaam, addicted to violence, addicted to moh of possessions, addicted to moh of relations, lobh of money, lobh of more square feet to own..and so on.  Either way, theire lives get consumed by panj doots unless they become Guru ka sikh and start practicing as guru ka sikh.

What did I do?

- Eventually, I plucked up the courage to start  10,000 mool mantar over 10 days. 1000 /day. This was advised by local gyani and I just took his word for it. He said do it 10 days, no khaana peena, just simple daal roti. Wake at 4am, bathe shower whilst doing Waheguru jap, then sit down cross-legged and do 1000 malas preferably with an extra mala of 108 at the end.  Then wait a few days and start again on Sunday. So it went from Sunday to  Sunday (8 days inclusive) plus Monday and Tuesday week after (10 days), then a break on wed, thu, fri and Saturday to start again on Sunday.  Gyanee told me to go back after a month and see him. When I went back the first time,  the first thing he enquired was whether I had fallen off the wagon and hit the bottle after first 10 days.   But I hadn't, the vegetarian rehat and maintaining of purity on the outside did somehow cleanse my dirty mann from the inside. After 2 months, I changed my life around and started to focus on nitnem and doing simran with techniques my dad had taught me. I've never consumed any liquor since or even had any urges. After all, it was the urges that were eating me in those days.

I strongly suggest you follow official advice as mentioned by soulfinder veer. I honestly believe the 5 vice salok will be beneficial. I explained before how I found myself switching from one vice to another after I started AA. I truly believe that it's our human nature and the 5 dhoots power to fool us this way.Doing the salok in addition is a vey good idea.   In the end, it's not just about getting off the liquor, it's about a whole new transformation into a newer you.  I remember that during  the second mool mantar japs I found myself with lots of physical energy and started powerlifting and pumping weights that I didn't think were possible for me. Doing this will also be beneficial for you if you start with small weights and combo reps.

 

 

Sad you went through that.. amazing that you are okay now. My relative sadly passed away of alcoholism and my other relative was an alcoholic and now sober. They went to aa, therapy, do paath and mindfullness meditation early in the mornings, excercise A lot daily. Yoga is a miracle too, try it. You know more than I do what to do because you’ve been through it. 

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1 hour ago, Sikhilove said:

Sad you went through that.. amazing that you are okay now. My relative sadly passed away of alcoholism and my other relative was an alcoholic and now sober. They went to aa, therapy, do paath and mindfullness meditation early in the mornings, excercise A lot daily. Yoga is a miracle too, try it. You know more than I do what to do because you’ve been through it. 

Thats really sad especially as it was a relative makes it even more sad as you knew the person. It does help a lot doing yoga and mindfullnes to help with the thinking thoughts.

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14 hours ago, Sikhilove said:

That’s a tricky one. You need a therapist for sure I would suggest. Yoga is known to help addictions. 

I haven't drank or smoked in almost 2 years.A huge factor in quitting alcohol is the ability to distance yourself from other drinker friends as alcohol is a social drug and the further you are from drinkers the lower chance you have of being tempted to drink.This is the toughest part.Your so called friends will mock,belittle and straightforward get hostile with you as you move further away from them because they feel insecure and inferior that you are able to quit and they are still dependent on drinks.They will do their best to drag you in with all sorts of tricks and if that doesn't work they start calling you a bad friend,ungrateful,unmanly,holier than thou etc.Just ignore and realize they are not your true friends.

Next is to establish friendship with non drinkers and get involved in activities where drinking is not present or taboo.

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1 hour ago, Jageera said:

I haven't drank or smoked in almost 2 years.A huge factor in quitting alcohol is the ability to distance yourself from other drinker friends as alcohol is a social drug and the further you are from drinkers the lower chance you have of being tempted to drink.This is the toughest part.Your so called friends will mock,belittle and straightforward get hostile with you as you move further away from them because they feel insecure and inferior that you are able to quit and they are still dependent on drinks.They will do their best to drag you in with all sorts of tricks and if that doesn't work they start calling you a bad friend,ungrateful,unmanly,holier than thou etc.Just ignore and realize they are not your true friends.

Next is to establish friendship with non drinkers and get involved in activities where drinking is not present or taboo.

Congrats bro.

Well done from your side by staying away from the bad sangat.

The next step is to stay alone or be in sadh-sangat, read Gurbani, listen katha keertan or just distract yourself with healthy hobbies, or go for jogging, or join a gym, the thing is to keep an eye on the devlish mind.

And last pray sincerely to Waheguru to help you go smoothly away from the bad company. 

Good luck.

SSA.

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2 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

Congrats bro.

Well done from your side by staying away from the bad sangat.

The next step is to stay alone or be in sadh-sangat, read Gurbani, listen katha keertan or just distract yourself with healthy hobbies, or go for jogging, or join a gym, the thing is to keep an eye on the devlish mind.

And last pray sincerely to Waheguru to help you go smoothly away from the bad company. 

Good luck.

SSA.

Thanks veerji for the encouragement.Sadh-sangat is 1 thing I haven't been blessed with.I just do online sangat through youtube,this forum etc.Hopefully I can find good like minded sangat.

1 hour ago, kidsama said:

Just cut them out. Don't matter who they are. Anyone bringing your down one way or the other, see them as your enemy. Be free from these bounds, doesn't matter if blood relations or whtv nonsense. When you are rising, people even your parents will unconsciously or consciously try to pull your down to their level. 

Very true but thankfully i faced no such reaction from family only friends.

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6 hours ago, Jageera said:

I haven't drank or smoked in almost 2 years.A huge factor in quitting alcohol is the ability to distance yourself from other drinker friends as alcohol is a social drug and the further you are from drinkers the lower chance you have of being tempted to drink.This is the toughest part.Your so called friends will mock,belittle and straightforward get hostile with you as you move further away from them because they feel insecure and inferior that you are able to quit and they are still dependent on drinks.They will do their best to drag you in with all sorts of tricks and if that doesn't work they start calling you a bad friend,ungrateful,unmanly,holier than thou etc.Just ignore and realize they are not your true friends.

Next is to establish friendship with non drinkers and get involved in activities where drinking is not present or taboo.

 

3 hours ago, kidsama said:

Just cut them out. Don't matter who they are. Anyone bringing your down one way or the other, see them as your enemy. Be free from these bounds, doesn't matter if blood relations or whtv nonsense. When you are rising, people even your parents will unconsciously or consciously try to pull your down to their level. 

True. Look at Guru Nanaks family. 
 

True about friends and family. I’ve been literally shamed, ridiculed, humiliated, bullied etc because I don’t drink. Our extended families are known to be drinkers, the men and women. For them it’s a shame not to drink, as it’s said to be part of the family name. I’m a female and I’ve felt it a lot. 

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Just now, Sikhilove said:

 

True. Look at Guru Nanaks family. 
 

True about friends and family. I’ve been literally shamed, ridiculed, humiliated, bullied etc because I don’t drink. Our extended families are known to be drinkers, the men and women. For them it’s a shame not to drink, as it’s said to be part of the family name. I’m a female and I’ve felt it a lot. 

You just have to rise above it, and stay true to yourself. 

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4 hours ago, Sikhilove said:

 

True about friends and family. I’ve been literally shamed, ridiculed, humiliated, bullied etc because I don’t drink. Our extended families are known to be drinkers, the men and women. For them it’s a shame not to drink, as it’s said to be part of the family name. I’m a female and I’ve felt it a lot. 

Great. You didn't miss out on anything. Now you have a healthier body and mind from everyone else in your family.

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