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this year when i went to india for the second time in my life i went to amritsar and was blessed to have darshan of baba avtar singh ji sursingh wale. Someone who i was traveling with (random) told me baba ji was the 12th jathedar of bidhi chand dal which was started by guru hargobind sahib ji. I felt so lucky to be in the presence of someone who had a lineage from guru sahibs time. After leaving for sri harimandar sahib during the journey a farladhari nihang singh who was traveling with us was arguing with the same guy saying baba avtar singh ji isn't  a descendant of baba bidhi chand sahib because baba bidhi chand sahib was not married. He went on to say baba bidhi chand sahibs last name was cheema and baba avtar singhs is chimba and that baba sahib singh kaladhari gave baba sohan singh permission to start a samparda in baba bidhi chand sahibs name. I am still learning and don't know much about this subject and it confused me a lot because everyone claims bidhi chand dal was started by guru hargobind sahib ji. Could anyone provide any sources to prove this? Or any record that shows baba bidhi chand sahib was married or had kids? I have tried to research it in many granths but found nothing. It would help me a lot ji bhul chuk muaf 🙏

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ਬਿਧੀ ਚੰਦ ਛੀਨਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਾ ਸੀਨਾ 

 

is the popular saying. Whether Baba Bidhi Chand was married I don't know.

No Bidhi Chand Dal was started by Guru HarGobind. Then the informal name of the Sikh army was Akal Sena. Only in later times did the Dal started getting names and organisation.

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Just a bunch of liars after money and recognition. Avtar singh inherited everything that he has its common knowledge in dalpanth that baba santa singh used to openly call bidhichandiye prithichandiye saying they 'ate' all of the gurus golak money. They are insulting the blessings of mahapurakh baba sahib singh ji kaladhari by claiming to be around from the gurus time when it was budha dal who gave them their first nishan nagare and horses. Its a shame that these days so called 'sants' are so blinded by maya and ego that they 'forget' their origins.

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On 5/8/2019 at 3:55 PM, chatanga1 said:

ਬਿਧੀ ਚੰਦ ਛੀਨਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਾ ਸੀਨਾ 

 

is the popular saying. Whether Baba Bidhi Chand was married I don't know.

No Bidhi Chand Dal was started by Guru HarGobind. Then the informal name of the Sikh army was Akal Sena. Only in later times did the Dal started getting names and organisation.

If guru sahib didn't start baba bidhi chand dal why does everyone claim they did? If baba avtar singh ji is the 12th mukhi who are the first 9? I know of baba daya singh ji and baba sohan singh ji but can't find any historic record of the first 9 anywhere. I also want to apologise because I've only been amritdhari since hola mohalla 2017 and i don't understand why someone would lie about their lineage especially somebody as famous as baba ji. It makes me question the motives behind it and I'm nobody really but it would be very disheartening if true.

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@Jungkaur96 Bhen ji its best to ignore and forget who ever told you this as yes negative people will try to break faith link to mahapurshs sants so i am usually careful who choose to listen to.

 

In gyani thakur singhs katha he holds Sant Avtar Singh Ji in a very good way as they have a blessed generation.

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@Jungkaur96 Bhen ji many people have even tried to spread lies about many popular sant mahapursh and their gurdwaras but they didn't know the consequences of the slander as mentioned in the 13th ashtpadi of sukhmani sahib. 

 

So don't stress yourself about it and ignore whatever you heard.

 

Its really good you have taken amrit its kirpa you have.

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3 hours ago, Jungkaur96 said:

If guru sahib didn't start baba bidhi chand dal why does everyone claim they did?

Guru HarGobind Sahib when arranging Akal Sena made Bidhi Chand as one of its commanders. It could be that this command continued with Baba Bidhi Chand's descendents until it became a formal jatha. Baba Bidhi Chand Dal was not a misl. Personally I think that it was the descendents of Baba Ji who carried on the traditions of Baba Bidhi Chand and it was eventually established as a chhouni. Equally it may just be that Budha Dal set up the chhoni (as all tarna Dal's can only be set up with their permission.)

 

Today there are many misls around Panjab, some of them are quite new, some of them have origins going back to times of Dal Panth.

These are some other Dals:

Tarna Dal, Mehta Chowk

Tarna Dal Baba Bakala

Tarna Dal Harian Bela .

These are all Nihang Chhounis.

 

Maybe next time you go Panjab, visit the Chouni and get some information?

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On 5/11/2019 at 11:26 PM, chatanga1 said:

Guru HarGobind Sahib when arranging Akal Sena made Bidhi Chand as one of its commanders. It could be that this command continued with Baba Bidhi Chand's descendents until it became a formal jatha. Baba Bidhi Chand Dal was not a misl. Personally I think that it was the descendents of Baba Ji who carried on the traditions of Baba Bidhi Chand and it was eventually established as a chhouni. Equally it may just be that Budha Dal set up the chhoni (as all tarna Dal's can only be set up with their permission.)

 

Today there are many misls around Panjab, some of them are quite new, some of them have origins going back to times of Dal Panth.

These are some other Dals:

Tarna Dal, Mehta Chowk

Tarna Dal Baba Bakala

Tarna Dal Harian Bela .

These are all Nihang Chhounis.

 

Maybe next time you go Panjab, visit the Chouni and get some information?

Bhaisahab i guess there is a lot of differences between the Dals/Jathebandis or the individuals who are at some position in the Dal. There is all the possibility that one individual may have malice towards the other. 

The followers of one Dal will claim that their Mukhi is of so and so Awastha, wakes up at 12-2 pm , does kesi isnaan and then the Nitnem,Das Granthi and so on. This is the standard measure they give to claim that the Mukhi is of high Awastha and also will add some miracles happening.

 

Hunn mainu Aap ji dasso, who is going to see which individual does what and how true is what is being said. I personally feel all the patronage which is being given to these organizations is based on faith and pure faith. 

 

My feeling is , with all that is being offered to them, are they ever questioned as to what have they done to solve the ongoing issues of the Sangat? How are they addressing the addiction problem? What education benefits can they provide in smaller Pinds ? How much parchaar is being done?

Are we just blindly placing money in the golak to maintain their attire and ego? We need to think .

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