Abhyaas and Simran

[Lucky]

17 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

All that happens is you spend hours listening to the gyan and jugtis but not enough time doing abhiyaas. So what you have done is dirty your mind even more. When you now sit for simran, you will be wondering which technique should I use because nothing is happening with the one I'm doing. The gyan becomes the maya for us. If I look back at how much time I spent listening to all these guys. Imagine how much simran I would have done in that time instead. My mind would have been very much more still. Instead It now wonders in 10 different teachers directions. This teacher said this, this person said that. Why is nothing happening. It is seeking that next experience to progress. It is not still at all

I'm the worst. I have been doing this for years now. Please don't make the same mistakes I did.

Guys, you really don't want to fall in this entrapment.

The Mind is too easy to tempt into different directions. Grabbing tips from x,y and z will only make the mind race and prevent it form stabilizing.   One's daily conduct has to be done with a steady mind.  How you go about in your day reflects how easily you can go into sehaj and steadiness in simran.

Keep it simple, have faith and be prepared to give your matt at all times. Jumping around with a monkey mind, going from x,y, z will only weaken your hold over the mann.

You must have complete faith in the EK that you decide to follow. No faith, means no progress.

[Still nascent]

Exactly is what is happening with me too. Thanks sat ji for this, you have given it words. I am drowning and I know I am but don't know how to save myself.

Looking for sangat we created a group of a few like minded Gurmukhs, but then each has a different teacher one among you mentioned and a few more. Who's that ONE teacher to follow is my quest. 
I got to Amrit ras - sehaj subhaay and then thought it was a disease for lack of knowledge. Started following other Mat's philosphers. Something similar happened to mooorakh bhn,     she got close to dhund before seeing Parmatma and thought it's her eye sight. 
Now One Teacher fights 5 chanting loudest with Gurmantra . Other says pyaar naal 'pani khicho'. Third calls Wa he Guru in 3 syllables and each claims they have seen waheguru with their jugti. I am stuck of course looking for the one right for me. Only Gurmail singh ji mentioned about dhund but he also mentioned about colors which Dharamjeet singh ji said is nowhere in SGGS as one other lady in the group follows him and discussed it with him. He said this shouldn't be followed.  Simranjeet singh ji is too busy and has too many followers. 

That's why this isn't an easy path.. 

[sarabatam]

Lucky, sat, chatanga, soulfinder, harsharan, dalsingh, jageera sukhpreet and all veer and bheenji, please post more often, you guys are torch bearer of sikhi. Sikhawareness will be on for generations, i'll make sure i will give this seva to my son if he is not interested someone from sangat,  before passing on. What a amazing privilege and honor  is been part of amazing platform and sangat since 2003.Lets continue to contribute on this amazing platform and inspire others including me.

[Still nascent]

True ! I am so thankful and proud to be a part of this platform. 

Thank you

[Sat1176]

2 hours ago, Still nascent said:

Exactly is what is happening with me too. Thanks sat ji for this, you have given it words. I am drowning and I know I am but don't know how to save myself.

Looking for sangat we created a group of a few like minded Gurmukhs, but then each has a different teacher one among you mentioned and a few more. Who's that ONE teacher to follow is my quest. 
I got to Amrit ras - sehaj subhaay and then thought it was a disease for lack of knowledge. Started following other Mat's philosphers. Something similar happened to mooorakh bhn,     she got close to dhund before seeing Parmatma and thought it's her eye sight. 
Now One Teacher fights 5 chanting loudest with Gurmantra . Other says pyaar naal 'pani khicho'. Third calls Wa he Guru in 3 syllables and each claims they have seen waheguru with their jugti. I am stuck of course looking for the one right for me. Only Gurmail singh ji mentioned about dhund but he also mentioned about colors which Dharamjeet singh ji said is nowhere in SGGS as one other lady in the group follows him and discussed it with him. He said this shouldn't be followed.  Simranjeet singh ji is too busy and has too many followers. 

That's why this isn't an easy path.. 

You probably know enough already to walk quite far down this journey. Now work on the practical building not the theoretical understanding unless you need your battery charging. I should also practice what I preach HaHa. 

You shouldn't really have too many questions for Gurmukhs unless your having simran problems or experiences that you want to share or discuss with them. Honestly they get fed up with people calling them all the time. Don't become one of those. Keep it once every few weeks or months. Then they love to hear from you, and see how your getting on. Just shows them you not one of those who came and then disappeared never to reach out to them again.

Don't become one of those who calls after every sneeze or tyre puncture to ask why it happened to you? Please do ardas for me etc etc..  When they do a natural bachan of their own choosing for you, then that is the most powerful blessing you will ever need.

I was recently telling my teacher that I'm struggling to do simran for more than 15 mins before I drift into Sunn and I am going in and out in one sitting. I was concerned that I should be forcing myself to stay awake because I kept on hearing mix signals from everyone what I should do, even once from him. He said absolutely not. Don't force yourself because you wont be able to. Let sunn/sehaj come. Get to the stage when you are able to say Waheguru once and you have gone into Sunn. Leave the rest to Waheguru to work His magic. If you can fall into sunn / sehaj listening to sehaj dhun/anhad sounds then even better, but if not keep working on the gurmantar and let the mind drift into sunn when it wants.  This has been bothering me for months and years now I think and I keep going round in circles because I'm stuck in same rut because I keep hearing different views. Rather than just letting it happen I kept on wanting to solve the issue when I should have just gone with the flow ages ago.

Even Charanjit Singh Gorkhi said he used to drift into Sunn when he was doing simran, although he never used a term for it. The similarities are all there, but we can't rush these things no matter how much want to. Go with the flow bud and work on the practical abhiyaas. Give more importance to that rather than the Akath katha, if you feel you have heard enough now. Personally I stopped listening to all the Q&A now from Simranjeet Singh because it was pushing me back into more research of how to quickly get to others peoples avastas. It's great what he is doing, but for me now it is having a negative effect.

 

 

[Soulfinder]

2 hours ago, sarabatam said:

Lucky, sat, chatanga, soulfinder, harsharan, dalsingh, jageera sukhpreet and all veer and bheenji, please post more often, you guys are torch bearer of sikhi. Sikhawareness will be on for generations, i'll make sure i will give this seva to my son if he is not interested someone from sangat,  before passing on. What a amazing privilege and honor  is been part of amazing platform and sangat since 2003.Lets continue to contribute on this amazing platform and inspire others including me.

Dass is very happy to post on here is and i am glad to be a part of this sites family. Its a long time 17 years and may Waheguru keep you in chardikala !!

[Sukh_preet]

On 7/26/2020 at 11:17 PM, Mooorakh said:

Sukhpreet and sat veerji are missing. and being missed .  

Thank you Sceur.

On 7/26/2020 at 11:17 PM, Mooorakh said:

 

Sunn Gufa mai asaan besan  kalo bibarjit pantha

This person has found the way too but not by reading like me and you rather by doing it like Lucky veerji (don't kill me Pls ) . We at this stage can't benefit much from him as we are aware now.  We have to act now

Exactly what @Sat1176 veerji is saying. 

I am trying to walk on the path too and really it isn't easy when you have to live two lives. Sometimes I feel that the Jogi's path id way much better and easier cos they had just one thing to manage but then when I think about their physical hardships, I drop that thought

[Sukh_preet]

3 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

5 hours ago, Still nascent said:

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

You probably know enough already to walk quite far down this journey. Now work on the practical building not the theoretical understanding unless you need your battery charging. I should also practice what I preach HaHa. 

You shouldn't really have too many questions for Gurmukhs unless your having simran problems or experiences that you want to share or discuss with them. Honestly they get fed up with people calling them all the time. Don't become one of those. Keep it once every few weeks or months. Then they love to hear from you, and see how your getting on. Just shows them you not one of those who came and then disappeared never to reach out to them again.

Don't become one of those who calls after every sneeze or tyre puncture to ask why it happened to you? Please do ardas for me etc etc..  When they do a natural bachan of their own choosing for you, then that is the most powerful blessing you will ever need.

I was recently telling my teacher that I'm struggling to do simran for more than 15 mins before I drift into Sunn and I am going in and out in one sitting. I was concerned that I should be forcing myself to stay awake because I kept on hearing mix signals from everyone what I should do, even once from him. He said absolutely not. Don't force yourself because you wont be able to. Let sunn/sehaj come. Get to the stage when you are able to say Waheguru once and you have gone into Sunn. Leave the rest to Waheguru to work His magic. If you can fall into sunn / sehaj listening to sehaj dhun/anhad sounds then even better, but if not keep working on the gurmantar and let the mind drift into sunn when it wants.  This has been bothering me for months and years now I think and I keep going round in circles because I'm stuck in same rut because I keep hearing different views. Rather than just letting it happen I kept on wanting to solve the issue when I should have just gone with the flow ages ago.

Spot on Bro! That's why I love you. You know how to put feelings into words so well. 

I get lot of help from this forum as I keep on reading your guys past posts and conversations. Rest I read a few books of Sewa Singh ji and others.  I am not that good with Punjabi as a language so keep getting stuck at words in kathas, for which I have to call my mom then. She starts brabbing as soon as she hears words from me like sukhmana or samaadhi etc. "Mai keh ri haa eh Sikhi Ni tuera rasta galt hai" and how do I tell her that she has reached there as she has been seeing those lights with knowing anything about it. She still believes sharing may ralentisezz her spiritual growth. 

Sitting in sunn is such a bliss that charges one in minutes, each of us here wants to reach the destination asap and thus looking for shortcuts but I feel that there aren't any. Somedays it get into it in minutes and otherwise I keep waiting and it just doesn't happens.. Sometimes when I get fed up I cry and you know what ! That works. I feel better and progressing the next day. 

One more thing, these kathas says that kirtan isn't worth taking us forth but I feel it is, all religions in the world are based on music. After all Anhad naad is music too. I really want to open another thread on this to discuss this. Hope to get inputs from you all.

Sat Sri Akal

[ragnarok]

17 hours ago, Sukh_preet said:

 

One more thing, these kathas says that kirtan isn't worth taking us forth 

Sat Sri Akal

thats nonsense

 

[Still nascent]

On 7/28/2020 at 11:07 AM, Lucky said:

Keep it simple, have faith and be prepared to give your matt at all times. Jumping around with a monkey mind, going from x,y, z will only weaken your hold over the mann.

 

On 7/28/2020 at 9:51 PM, Sat1176 said:

probably know enough already to walk quite far down this journey. Now work on the practical building not the theoretical understanding unless you need your battery charging. I should also practice what I preach HaHa. 

You shouldn't really have too many questions for Gurmukhs unless your having simran problems or experiences that you want to share or discuss with them. Honestly they get fed up with people calling them all the time. Don't become one of those. Keep it once every few weeks or months. Then they love to hear from you, and see how your getting on. Just shows them you not one of those who came and then disappeared never to reach out to them again.

Don't become one of those who calls after every sneeze or tyre puncture to ask why it happened to you? Please do ardas for me etc etc..  When they do a natural bachan of their own choosing for you, then that is the most powerful blessing you will ever need.

I was recently telling my teacher that I'm struggling to do simran for more than 15 mins before I drift into Sunn and I am going in and out in one sitting. I was concerned that I should be forcing myself to stay awake because I kept on hearing mix signals from everyone what I should do, even once from him. He said absolutely not. Don't force yourself because you wont be able to. Let sunn/sehaj come. Get to the stage when you are able to say Waheguru once and you have gone into Sunn. Leave the rest to Waheguru to work His magic. If you can fall into sunn / sehaj listening to sehaj dhun/anhad sounds then even better, but if not keep working on the gurmantar and let the mind drift into sunn when it wants.  This has been bothering me for months and years now I think and I keep going round in circles

So what do you both suggest, shall I keep on walking my path without any particular teacher among these. Keep on picking tits and tats from here and there with SGGS as my everything as sukhpreet says. 

[Sat1176]

6 hours ago, Still nascent said:

 

So what do you both suggest, shall I keep on walking my path without any particular teacher among these. Keep on picking tits and tats from here and there with SGGS as my everything as sukhpreet says. 

Do you feel drawn to one particular persons teaching you have heard who you feel will show me the path? If you do , then take instructions from them and then just do the practical. Try not to look at every teachers  preaching. This is very hard to do. I’m still fighting the urge myself to not listen to others, because I can spend hours listening  but not doing.  Give one teacher an opportunity to guide you for a while and see how you get on. Don’t just collect gyan from all because when simran starts gyan needs to be forgotten and if you have too much teaching in your head it just makes going inwards more difficult. Listen to enough to keep yourself motivated on the path. I didn’t appreciate these wise words when I heard them first years ago. I wanted more and more....

i believe you have spoken to a few now, start homing in on one  to guide and help you.

All I’m saying is don’t get trapped in all the gyan gathering. When you look back you may realise you wasted more time collecting that than doing the practical.

Rest who am I to tell you what is right or wrong for you. When I look at myself this is the mistake I’m beginning to see. It’s like quick sand that is very difficult to escape. Keep a control now on yourself if you can. I am not in the least bit trying to discourage you, just trying to warn you because I see myself in your posts. All the Gurmukhs are satkarjog, choose wisely friend.

[Sat1176]

8 hours ago, ragnarok said:

thats nonsense

 

Can’t say I have ever heard that. They do say don’t just treat it as geet for it contains Brahmgyan. But we won’t appreciate the depths of the words until someone with higher insights explains the subtle hints contained within the words. Most just read and sing over them. 

[ragnarok]

22 hours ago, ragnarok said:

thats nonsense

 

sorry I didn't have time to expand on this when I wrote it.

 

Kirtan is Gurbani. Even if it's Dharna kirtan a la Rara Sahib, the message is that you should jap naam. If someone has that opinion I would get as far as possible.

 

One of the most confusing things about finding a murshid is that so many of the techniques of Gurmat overlap with techniques used for bad intent. People can dress themselves up like a Gursikh, and pretend like they are the real deal but underneath they can be, basically, spiritual thieves stealing your kamai. They will dress up their message with lots of truth but stick in a little grain of falsehood that enable them to harm you. Even if some of them are legit to begin with they can fall into the trap of maya on the way and get attracted to Sidhi etc.

 

My take is that if I were to look for a murshid I'd go to places where there is a long lineage, such as Bhai Daya Singh Samparda, for example

[Soulfinder]

6 hours ago, ragnarok said:

Kirtan is Gurbani. Even if it's Dharna kirtan a la Rara Sahib, the message is that you should jap naam. If someone has that opinion I would get as far as possible.

Veer ji the reason why mahapursh like rara sahib,nanaksar did dharna kirtan was because in malwa area of punjab our brothers and sisters were into punjabi songs boliyan and what mahapursh did was made kirtan understand to the common pind folk at the time to help connect to them sikhi. As they could have used raag kirtan but not many sangat understand raag kirtan so dharna was used instead.

Also mahapursh had a lot of bhagati which was the reason they successful in their parchar duty. One mahapursh had darshan of guru nanak dev ji 3 times whilst sitting in baba isher singh ji rara sahib jis deewan

[ragnarok]

9 minutes ago, Soulfinder said:

 

Also mahapursh had a lot of bhagati which was the reason they successful in their parchar duty. One mahapursh had darshan of guru nanak dev ji 3 times whilst sitting in baba isher singh ji rara sahib jis deewan

Tell me more about this

[Soulfinder]

7 minutes ago, ragnarok said:

Tell me more about this

I heard this almost 10/11 years ago in one of dhadrianwale's deewans so i don't have access to that clip now but i remember it was on one of the uk sikh media channels back than.

[Mooorakh]

Waheguru ji

This could be a bliss for abhiyaasi Gurmukhs. Live Simran streaming all day long.  If any of you is a part of this Skype group Pls dm me the link.where I could join from .. I would be grateful

Else for us all we can take laaha  here

 

https://youtu.be/yHa945HHDRY

 

[Guest Waheguru Kirpa]

Waheguru Ji

I have just found this forum. I am humbled by the amazing Sangat on here and it was Waheguru's kirpa that i found this place!

I am part of the skype group ... i can DM you the link but i am just waiting on moderator to approve my sign up...after i will be able to be able to DM you.

Sadi majboori hai ...the skype group is a max of 50 people so while i want to, i can't share it to forum ...however we broadcast everything on the youtube channel that you linked in your post, so all the infomration is on there...we are the sister channel to Gurmat Meditation (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4wAq7dpnCUam5krI0jYRsQ)

we are students of Gurmat Meditation - ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ, Gurusar Kaunke 

I can try to answer any questions anyone may have about the group, or point you to any Gurmukhs who are more than willing to answer any questions

 

[Mooorakh]

On 9/5/2020 at 8:56 PM, Guest Waheguru Kirpa said:

Waheguru Ji

I have just found this forum. I am humbled by the amazing Sangat on here and it was Waheguru's kirpa that i found this place!

I am part of the skype group ... i can DM you the link but i am just waiting on moderator to approve my sign up...after i will be able to be able to DM you.

Sadi majboori hai ...the skype group is a max of 50 people so while i want to, i can't share it to forum ...however we broadcast everything on the youtube channel that you linked in your post, so all the infomration is on there...we are the sister channel to Gurmat Meditation (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4wAq7dpnCUam5krI0jYRsQ)

we are students of Gurmat Meditation - ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ, Gurusar Kaunke 

I can try to answer any questions anyone may have about the group, or point you to any Gurmukhs who are more than willing to answer any questions

 

Waheguru ji thank you so much for your kind reply. I was really keen to join this group  before I found this channel and spoke to a couple of nembers there like Bibi Maan Kaur ji. She also mentioned this 50 members constraint and then I  somehow got to this channel on YouTube.  I realized that this was once again Babji's game as my husband may have not allowed me to join this 'class' otherwise but now I can be a part of it and still watch it like any other video.

  I am anyway not even close to the avastha of the 'speakers ' there and would have occupied a precious place of someone more deserving,  so I am better off as a ' listener' now and forever grateful for this live channel.  Thank you

 

 

[Mooorakh]

On 7/26/2020 at 6:48 PM, Ragmaala said:

I think he is charanjit singh gorkhi, the author if I am not wrong.

 

Yes you were right veerji he's the same person

He's also conducting sessions on Google meet everyday, I am adding a small recording only for reference for sangat to get an idea of the session. You can contact him to join his whatsapp group and get link to join these meetings .

@Ragmaala veerji in one such session one person asked Charanjeet Singh  Gorkhi about his looks and kes.  He got emotional and said that his mother and kids are Amritdhaari however he is in a merchant navy job of a Singapore based company which does not allow him to keep hair.  He further said that he can't leave his job as he isn't well educated (just 12th pass)  and can't get a better job than this.  One day he said things will surely change in this regard

Just listen to this recording, as Lucky veerji said above he seems learned-has practical gyaan. 

AUD-20200829-WA0034.mp3

[ragnarok]

Interesting considering singapore has a significant sikh population. Tell him to contact ministry of manpower. 

[Ragmaala]

47 minutes ago, Mooorakh said:

I am adding a small recording only for reference for sangat to get an idea of the session.

I listened to the whole session, i definitely sense a lot of depth in his talk. Great concepts explained in simple words.

[chatanga1]

On 7/28/2020 at 3:16 PM, sarabatam said:

Lucky, sat, chatanga, soulfinder, harsharan, dalsingh, jageera sukhpreet and all veer and bheenji, please post more often,

 

Will do. Regarding Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth series, at the moment it feels like I'm having a conversation with myself. I just have been a little busy lately, and a little demotivated to be honest. Too much agianta flying around on social media.

[dalsingh101]

6 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

 

Will do. Regarding Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth series, at the moment it feels like I'm having a conversation with myself. I just have been a little busy lately, and a little demotivated to be honest. 

 

 

I thought we were having a study together myself. Shows how we can easily fall into misconceptions. Lol!

Keep it up, I've found the series fascinating and illuminating myself.  

[dalsingh101]

On 7/28/2020 at 3:16 PM, sarabatam said:

Lucky, sat, chatanga, soulfinder, harsharan, dalsingh, jageera sukhpreet and all veer and bheenji, please post more often, you guys are torch bearer of sikhi. Sikhawareness will be on for generations, i'll make sure i will give this seva to my son if he is not interested someone from sangat,  before passing on. What a amazing privilege and honor  is been part of amazing platform and sangat since 2003.Lets continue to contribute on this amazing platform and inspire others including me.

The forums been transformative for me. It's been a privilege to be a part of it. N30, I also note how your style of moderation, which was once greatly misunderstood and outright attacked has now been adopted by many others - not trying to suck up to you or anything, but you was ahead of your time.  

I think the sudden shock of this covid thing has knocked many of us about myself. We'll get back on it.