Guest Javanmard Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Interestingly enough Bhai Kahn SIngh Nabha wrote a commentary on Hanuman Natak called Natak Bhavarth Dipika (1888). :wink: :wink: :wink: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihang Gargaj Singh Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Bikramjit ji I never claimed to be a scholar of Sikhi, if you want to speak to true scholars of Sikhi there are several nirmala scholars who I could point you in the direction of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 :shock: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BikramjitSingh Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Bikramjit ji I never claimed to be a scholar of Sikhi, if you want to speak to true scholars of Sikhi there are several nirmala scholars who I could point you in the direction of. Apologies. I assumed that you had read the Hanuman Natak yourself or had some views on the Chaupa Singh Rehatnama which contains the story of the discourse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BikramjitSingh Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Interestingly enough Bhai Kahn SIngh Nabha wrote a commentary on Hanuman Natak called Natak Bhavarth Dipika (1888). :wink: :wink: :wink: Bhai Kahan Singh was employed by the Maharaja of Nabha as a tutor for the prince. As part of the prince's all round education he was instructed to teach most of the religious books of that period. The Hanuman Natak was one of them. The commentary was a result of the various discussions that the Tikka Sahib had with Bhai Khan Singh. These were used to compile the commentary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Those wanting the refernce for the literal mention of 'Hanuman Natak' in Bhai Chaupa Singh Rehitnama; it's on page 94 at the top of the page in Piara Singh Padam's 'Rehitnamay' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niranjana Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Gur Fateh! Dear Forum, in particular Bikramjit and Lalleshvari, on the topic of Hanuman Natak, I'd be interested to know more about your opinions on "Hanuman" himself -a myth or a reality, if so why? Also, (open to all), I am aware of the importance he plays in the Khusti (wrestling) Akharas of India...how applicable are these 'values' for us as Sikhs? GUR BAR AKAAAL! Bhai Kahan Singh was employed by the Maharaja of Nabha as a tutor for the prince. As part of the prince's all round education he was instructed to teach most of the religious books of that period. The Hanuman Natak was one of them. The commentary was a result of the various discussions that the Tikka Sahib had with Bhai Khan Singh. These were used to compile the commentary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fateh1699 Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 oh messaga have been removed, ! :shock: Mod's Note: It was removed because you accused someone without having evidence or facts... we dont allow mud slinging in our forum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niranjana Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Gur Fateh! Having looked further into this topic, I have heard (however have no documentary evidence to support this notion, so those who do, please come forward) that the Hanuman Natak was a piece written in Braj, not by Guru Ji, but by a Rishi, however not all of it was completed and owing to some events, which now escape my memory, the piece was lost/thrown into a river. Many years later a poet patronised by a King found the piece and after praying for inspiration completed the missing pieces. These were then bound together and presented to Guru Ji as a 'gift'...which one can understand if one looks at the important of the Hanuman character in terms of wrestling Akharas in Northern Indian...however it is not Gurbani, simply literature, albeit of inspirational nature, however it is used within the Nihang Dals for recitation for a purpose similar to those used by Indian wrestlers. ...note again: these are not facts supported by any documented evidence, these are based upon personal opinions of some elderly folk, therefore, I welcome all feedback, critique and corrections... GUR BAR AKAAALLLLL!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 i apologise for this as i am aware that this topic is old however it is new to me. can someone show me the following please or guide me to where i can find them: 1) i would like to read the hanuman natak where could i find a copy of it on the net. if not can someone show me to a e bookstore where i could purchse it. 2) again with the rehit namas where could i read them on the net or find them published to buy 3) according to what i have read in the thread this piece is written in the patna sahib bir of the dasam granth. can we confirm this please as for the comparative studies done between the dasam granths at the takhats it was found that the only difference with this granth to the others was that it had 32 savaiyai instead of the 33 as in the others. 4) we seem to have conflicting views on who actually made this text and what is the context of the text. could someone please authenticate who is the writer? I am sorry if these are questions that have come too late but could someone please answer these as i am intrigued. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 It doesn't exist on the net, but you can buy a copy through CSJS bookshop, Amritsar. It's only about 150 rs or so. It is commonly attributed to Hriday Ram. See in the above thread for Chaupa Singh rehitnama's direct reference to Hanuman Natak in Padam's 'Rehitnamae' text. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 i know this thread is old but i have purchased the Hanuman Natak by Hirday Ram. However it is still in kavita form and i wonder if anyone knows if a teeka or sttek is available in gurmukhi or english so that i may able to understand this text better. Has the hanuman natak been recited and expounded as kath in Gurdwaras of the nirmalas and udasi's who i think would have more knowledge of this text. if so where can i get hold of it to learn the meanings of the text. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 I know in the lists of Nirmalay granths (that generally were in manuscript form or published at the turn of the century in editions of about 500), there was a steek on Hanuman Natak. Beyond that I've yet to see anything. I think because its in braj its generally seen to be quite accesible. Its the sanskrit stuff that usually gets steeks. When a tika is made on gurbani it is done to bring out deeper aspects through the application of the Nirmala's extensive learning. I only recently got this fact when my own gurdev pointed out that nobody will care about the translation and padarth as such, its all about what is brought to it in the commentary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 cheers tirath singh. just to let you know i have almost finished your book. it is really good and alot of my relatives really like it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malwe Da Sher Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Baba TSingh where can your book be bought from, I have been hearing good things about it but as of yet have not been fortunate enough to view it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Ahh the book. Well, there is the first lump in surface mail somewhere between patiala post office and Guv's house. It should be arriving imminently. Sorry for the delay. I'm hoping there is interest in the UK since there is seemingly no market for it in punjab. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Singh Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Is the bola "chareya hanumaan yodha" in hanumaan natak? if so, wat page 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akaali Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Ok boys, i got the scoop on Hanuman Natak. This is what went down. Hanuman Natak was written by a Rishi a while back ago. This rishi did not complete the granth , he died before he finished it. This got into the hands of the Mohgul government, run by I think Jangangir (i think...). At this one of his kavis decided to finish it, he did many prayers and asked that he could, like the rishi, write the granth. Eventually he finished it, with apparently, the blessings of God. So then, this granth got passed down, from emperor to emperor, and eventually found its way to Bahadur Shah. Bahadur Shah gave Guru Gobind Singh Ji this Granth as a gift. Guru Gobind Singh Ji read the granth and loved it!!!! The poetry in this granth is so beautiful that Maharaj kept it in his kamarkasa. I was told this by a collector of really Puratan Saroops of Adi,Dasam, and Sarbloh Granth Sahib. He really knows his stuff, and has soooo many puratan saroops. He has puratan pothis aswell, like Sooraj Prakhash, Panth Prakhash, Nanak Prakhash, etc. He loves reading those, and is quite good at reading Brij. He doesn't have an old copy of Hanuman Natak, the copy he has is printed, but he lovesssss reading from it, beautiful piece of work. Just thought I would like you guys know about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 cheers for the info akaali 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akaali Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 maharaj kirpa prolly my first serious post... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 GurFateh ! here are a few snippets of info - that maybe of interest. Unfortunately I can't remember where i copied these photos from - but as I remember they didn't give much information about them - other than that they are from a copy of the Hanuman Natak. - The photo of the printed page from a book also didn't give a source - but it does echo akaali' s post (Bahadur Shah gifting Guru Sahib the Hanuman Natak) - as does the entry in Mahaan Kosh (see footnote 2) Sorry about the vagueness and lack of source ! Enjoy the pics Perhaps someone can confirm that the pics are of the Hanuman Natak - or may know the source of the printed page extract - or even someone from SA may of even bought it - I have a feeling the pics may of been copied from eBay ! Please post if you have any info Here are the pictures ; Entry for 'hanuman natak' in Mahan Kosh Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia ਸੰ. हनमन्नाटक ਹਨੁਮੱਨਾਟਕ. ਸੰਸਕ੍ਰਿਤ ਦਾ ਇੱਕ ਕਾਵ੍ਯ, ਜੋ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ੍ਰ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਇਤਿਹਾਸ ਅਖਾੜੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਖੇਡਕੇ ਦਿਖਾਉਣ ਯੋਗ ਹੈ. ਇਹ ਵਿਦ੍ਵਾਨ ਹਨੁਮਾਨ ਦੀ ਰਚਨਾ ਹੈ. ਕਈ ਕਵੀਆਂ ਨੇ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਵਾਲਮੀਕਿ ਦੇ ਕਹਿਣ ਤੇ ਹਨੁਮਾਨ ਨੇ ਆਪਣਾ ਨਾਟਕ ਸਮੁੰਦਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਸੁੱਟ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਸੀ ਤਾਂਕਿ ਵਾਲਮੀਕ ਰਾਮਾਇਣ ਦੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਨਾ ਘਟੇ. ਰਾਜੇ ਭੋਜ ਦੇ ਸਮੇਂ ਮੋਤੀ ਕੱਢਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਡਬੋਲੀਏ ਨੂੰ ਇੱਕ ਸਿਲਾ ਹੱਥ ਲੱਗੀ, ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਪੇਸ਼ ਹੋਣ ਪੁਰ ਰਾਜੇ ਨੇ ਓਥੋਂ ਪੱਥਰਾਂ ਪੁਰ ਉੱਕਰਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਨਾਟਕ ਕਢਵਾਇਆ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਗ ਨਹੀਂ ਮਿਲੇ ਉਹ ਦਾਮੋਦਰ ਮਿਸ੍ਰ ਨੇ ਬਣਾਕੇ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਪੂਰਣ ਕੀਤਾ. ਇਸ ਦਾ ਹਿੰਦੀ ਅਨੁਵਾਦ ਭੱਲਾ ਕੁਲ ਦੇ ਰਤਨ ਕਵਿ ਹ੍ਰਿਦਯਰਾਮ ਨੇ ਬਾਦਸ਼ਾਹ ਜਹਾਂਗੀਰ ਦੇ ਸਮੇਂ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੈ. ਯਥਾ- ਸੰਮਤ ਬਿਕ੍ਰਮ ਨ੍ਰਿਪਤਿ ਸਹਸ ਖਟ ਸ਼ਤ ਅਸੀਹ¹ ਵਰ, ਚੈਤ੍ਰ ਚਾਂਦਨੀ ਦੂਜ ਛਤ੍ਰ ਜਹਁਗੀਰ ਸੁਭਟ ਪਰ, ਸ਼ੁਭ ਲੱਛਨ ਦੱਛਨ ਸੁਦੇਸ਼ ਕਵਿ ਰਾਮ ਵਿਚੱਛਨ, ਕ੍ਰਿਸ੍ਨਦਾਸ ਤਨੁ ਕੁਲ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ ਯਸ਼ ਦੀਪਕ ਰੱਛਨ, ਰਘੁਪਤਿ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਤਿਨ ਯਥਾਮਤਿ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਕਰ੍ਯੋ ਸ਼ੁਭ ਲਗਨ ਗਣ, ਦੇ ਭਕ੍ਤਿ ਦਾਨ ਨਿਰਭਯ ਕਰੋ, ਜਯ ਰਘੁਪਤਿ ਰਘੁਵੰਸ਼ ਮਣਿ. ਇਸ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਵਿੱਚ ਕਈ ਕਬਿੱਤ ਕਾਸ਼ੀ ਰਾਮ ਕਵੀ ਦੇ ਭੀ ਹਨ.² ¹ਸਾਲ ਵਿਕ੍ਰਮੀ ੧੬੮੦. ²ਬਹੁਤ ਕਵੀ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਬਹਾਦੁਰਸ਼ਾਹ ਨੇ ਹ੍ਰਿਦਯਰਾਮ ਦੀ ਲਿਖੀ ਅਸਲ ਕਾਪੀ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀ ਭੇਟਾ ਕੀਤੀ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੇ ਪੁਰਸ਼ੁਰਾਮ ਦੇ ਸੰਬਾਦ ਦੇ ਕੁਝ ਛੰਦ ਕਵਿ ਕਾਂਸ਼ੀਰਾਮ ਤੋਂ ਲਿਖਵਾਕੇ ਦਰਜ ਕਰਵਾਏ. Ranjit Singh 'Freed' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 wow great pictures freed, thanks much for sharing them. You are defaniately our photo encylopedia 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akaali Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 ah yes, thank u freed for validating my information 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 The printed page from a book looks like Safarnama and Zafarnama by Gyani Ishar Singh Nara. Haven't got Hanuman Natak with me to tell you about the gurmukhi text. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic_Banda Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 I love the way the old birs and texts have the spelling mistakes and missed out words written in the borders.. how cool.. and the use of two colors of ink. and the fact that they never new about finger spaces.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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