Jamuka Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Most muslims dont go around killing and bombing each other. Thats a very stereotypical view. You are right, most Muslims do not go around killing and bombing each other however, they do support those that go around bombing and killing Non Muslims. This is a fact. Come to my country and I'll show you stores selling Osama t shirts. Almost all Muslims on this planet supports Osama and Saddam and looks upon the US as the great satan. Many who live in the western democracies are oblivious to this fact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImaanWaala Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 jamuka......u read my post about sects instead of judging islam by muslims acts... saddam had his own book where he admits how he killed many other generals to come up who made saddam and usama?? USA make them bigger i call every wrong thing as wrong..i don't just follow anything without my own judgement i'm starting my threads for those pppl who have wrong knowlege about islam and for those who just have hatred for Islam religion.. hope to see good discussion there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guv Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 BUT, THIS WAS ALREADY TOLD 1400 YEARS AGO THAT MUSLIMS WILL be divided in many sects( like 73 sects and one is true one), because they will fall into dark and ignorants sides,, as it is happening today among many muslims sect that true sect will come by another Islamic prophet who is under Prophet Muhammad and Islam ( nothing new from original Islam) and that prophet had came under Prophet Muhammad and under same Islamic education.... he clarified many stuffs which is the true sect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orchids Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Sufis are not a sect. You can have both Sunni and Shia Sufis. Wahabis are not a sect either, they are Sunni Muslims. Not true. But there is little point arguing. why is it that jahan always jumps on the islam bandwagon whenever a debate about islam is bought forward 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 > Their way of living , no alchohol etc. Ive seen soo many Muslims who drink. Compare that to sikh people > Rarly goto the gurdwara and take their kids along with them. > Eat as much meat as possible and a lot of alcohol Ive never seen a Vegetarian Muslim before? But if he/shes a Sufi Muslim then theres a chance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Maybe because he's a bit more knowledgeable regarding Muslims then you or I, Orchids. Hence he may be able to dispel any myths that may be propogated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Das due to strong Bajrang Dal Background must not be mistaken for Islam Bashing. If some one has full faith in falsehood and keeps on saying lies for 100 times.That falsehood and lies appear to be ture. In Sikhs biggest problem is,We are true but we do not tell it to others.We do not Preach others the ultimate Truth,The Khalsa. Coming back to Islam(verby has two meanings Peace and Surrender). Who does these to things is Muslim(like Jeehad make Jihadi(in Urdu/Farsi) as as Mujhahid(in Arbic) So from world Islam does Muslim word comes. It is more General in nature.Any Hindu or Sikh or any human who has suurendereded to Allah(Al(the) Illah(God) ) is Muslim.Earth,Stars,Sun,Moon all universe is Muslim as all are under the control of Allah and by by Allah.So being a true Sikh Das is a Muslim.No need to 'convert' as Allah by mercy Give divine knwoledge and mind is surrendered to Allahs Control(only Falsehood of selfishness is removed else always man's mind is under Allah's Control only When Allah wants that Man know this then only Man knows this and be comes Muslim). Iman or Faith in God makes one Momin.So faithfull Sikh(God) is Momin. A Sikh who does not understand Gumat and did not no Holy Kuran Clearly may be converted. While if Gurmat is claely told to present Day so called Muslim.The person can Ask for Amrit Sanskar to be carried out on him/her. Das can say without any doubt that A Muslim can follow Islam more correctly if he/She is a Khalsa. Das is sorry if someone is hurt.And as per Sikhism Das also stick to the fact that Muslim reamining A Muslim on his/her faith can also get Salvation it is more in the Hand of Allah and not human,We all are Mohtaj(helpless) in front of Allah with no Akhtyar(control) of us. Salvation is not heavan or condemnation is not hell.All are Created by Allah and when ever Allah wants,Allah can destroy them.If Allah want our body or soul will be destroyed. Allah hu Baqi Bin tul ai Fani Allah will remain but rest will be destroyed. Only Allah was before creation and only Allah remain if Allah destroyes Allah's Creation. So Salvation is Faith in Allah.Let Glory(Noor) of Allah fills our Heart so that Evil Iblis does not control our heart and mind.Allah is Noor.Allah is Light. In Our Morning Prayer of Jap Sahib We Call Allah as one of the Name of Akal.It means,Who can not be removed from Position occupied by the same. Whose trasures are never empatied even giving out blessing till eternities to the belivers. A(un) Lah(Removable) A(un) Lah(exsaustable(in view of blessings gifted to creation). Allah(the God) Hafiz(Protects) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalvir Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 i think its just the faith that muslims have in their religion and the abailty to spread the message of Islam. Where as, Sikhs do nothing of that sort and would rather chill with friends,etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Khalsa Fauj Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Islam has 72 +1 sects. They are all listed in Mahan Kosh. There are probably more new ones. They might fight each other but when or if some outsider interferes, they unite and fight. They have major issues wiht philophies such as halal, woman as half, hajj, virgins, circumcision, etc. etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAZ Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Its quite simple why many people convert to Islam. This conversion isnt a myth.. I have seen many many people become muslim in the past few years and these include some of my own friends. One reason is that it not only gives us reflections on God but almost like a road map to purify ones life to get to God. There are clear rules and structure for daily living. The Quran claims to be the actual and exact words of God and not someone elses account of their experience with God. Islamic talks are given in the language of the population whether that is English, urdu, punjabi, spanish, french etc. This allows more people to understand the message. God knows best however why there are so many people converting to Islam. People are NOT converting because of some so-called unity within the muslim community. The muslim community as a whole is in shambles. It is infected by extremists which spread like cancer. Religion is a powerful tool and power can corrupt.. some muslims have really lost their humanity by becoming extremely "religious". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Only Allah/Vahiguroo knows what best for people- Generally speaking, If people convert to different dharam and still mind is impure with lust, greed,jealously, fanaticism, anger, pride then there is no point. If person convert to different dharam to pure their mind , body , soul by infusing god/allah/vahiguroo/ram love in each vein in their body..that converation is not just mere converation in words or in rituals but converation is actual converation from bad to good, from darkness to light, from hate to love :D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAZ Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 I agree with you 100% N30 Singh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Awal Allah noor upaiya, kudrat de sabh bande Ek Nooor Taie Sab Jug Upja kuon bhalaie koun mandaie || 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Islam is indeed a great and good religion.. i think that the hadeeth of bukhari and muslim have wrecked up its image.. the "harsh" verses from the Quran is mostly during warfare. Muhammad did do raise the womens status.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHANBABANANAK Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 wot is hadeeth of bukhari 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 hadeeth is like the janam sakhis of Guru Nanak Dev Jee.. it is writings about the Prophet Muhammad. Bukhari is an author who wrote all of these storys down, and a lot of them are false lies degrading Muhammad and Islam .. yet they are looked upon as "sahih" by sunnis meaning they are reliable sources and that these incidents really have taken place (for instance it is mentioned that Muhammad beats up his wives, he orders the murder of a woman, he tortures people and behead them etc). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joefriday Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 That's just a personal opinion. If the majority of Muslims accept Bukhari as reliable then who are we to argue. If Bukhari gives some very unsavoury details about Mohammed then we cannot just dismiss them and say they are false and lies. Just to act as devil's advocate, say someone wrote Hitler's biography and it was read by someone who had no idea who Hitler was or that the facts in that biography such as genocide of Jews, Gypsies and Gays were accepted facts by the German people then how would you feel if that person choose not to believe these facts because they are so horrorific. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Bukhari a reliable source? you're joking I hope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Gurfateh For some Bhai Bala Janam Sakhi is realiable source. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simrun255 Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 is it true that the koran was made 50 yearsa after mohammeds passing ??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 here is an article regarding the complation of the Quran written by a pakistani. http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/shamoun/com...he%20quran.html and i dont think it was 50 years. it was 20 years, and it was just compiled when they gathered all the materials the Quran was written on, and made it into a book. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 The present Qur'an was compiled by uthman (la). But the real Qur'an stayed with Imam Ali (as) and it was three times bigger than the present Qur'an. This is stated in the earliest Shi'a and even Sunni sources even though modern Sunnified Shi'as think Uthman's Qur'an is THE Qur'an. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 yes but the reason it is thicker is because it contains the tafseer to each verse. i just dont get why the Ahlul bait has hidden the book at Imam Mahdi, so that the entire muslim population is running around in error. why did'n the shiat ali get the real Quran? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Not all who claim to be Shi'as are Shi'a in the eyes of the Imams. Being Shi'a means to have knowledge of your Imam, not just to be born in a Shi'a family. Imam Ali (as) offered the community the knowledge of the real Qur'an and they refused it. People have free choice remember... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akaali Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 so is the original version of the qur'an that stayed with Imam Ali (as) still available or is it lost through the times? if so , where can one get a copy of such text 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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