Reality.

[kamalroop singh]

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh

Dear Guru Pyare Sangat Ji,

There is non higher than Ik-Oankar, everything is in the hands of the supreme consciousness and in our lives we move about like leaves in the wind. We are all subject to the Hukam of the divine Majesty. May we stay in love with the feet of this Majesty and look to no other till the last breath.

Even in a moment as individuals we are particles of dust on the earth. In the cosmos of space we are dissolved like a molecule of water in an infinite volume of water. In the infinite expanse we are swallowed up like the rain falls into the sea, but again in the moment, we cannot see the noose of time tightening its grip. Unfortunately in our illusion we loose sight of this.

The face is behind all. Our Satguru does not remain hidden, but the veil remains over our eyes. Satguru Ji is infront of us, but we shut our hearts off from the powerful loving presence. Our minds conceptualise everything we see, and thus we loose the innocence, the fascination, the beauty of this life. Everyday we tend to loose our laughter and joy, in the seriousness of the mind.

We judge, we make statements we cannot prove, we point fingers at other souls on the same journey of life. We mock them for supposedly taking a wrong turning, but do we really know the destination? Have we become one with what we are searching for? Surely we can only know if we have arrived there. We remember our own humaness and forgive ourselves, but we forget "they are human". We seek forgiveness from Sri Akal, and the Panj Pyare, but we cannot even in a dream forgive anybody else. That would be destorying our ego, something which the mind clutches onto each second.

Everyone we see who is different we place into a dark box of conceptuality. If something does not relate to our ego and concept of "I", we discard it as heretical. We fool ourselves into thinking our way is the right way. We loose the beauty of individuality, the creativeness of the Master, and we pervertedly call for homogenity. We fail to see each specie in life has many shades and varieties, myriad ways of existence, and countless forms that we cannot ever hope to quantify. Again we fail to see this individuality in our fellow human beings.

The very nature of IK-Oankar, the Sargun Nirgun Nirankar does not ring a note in our minds. We say everything is in the hukam, but then we seek to condemn. We seek balance in our existence, but we remain blind to the equilibrium that has played its flute since the beggining of time. Every beautiful flake of snow, has a structure different to the next. Infinity plays its tune in everything, that is the hand of the infinite that created and creates all, ceaselessly. We confine this endlessness into a narrow alley way, that only the elite can squeeze into.

We cannot see the flood, the torrent that cleanses the dirt away. All we see is the stagnant pool of our thoughts, ever producing an odour that only the cannibals, ghosts and ghouls enjoy bathing in.

To master the mind is to master the age, even though our ego likes to believe we have mastered our minds. Thus to compensate we seek to control others, and make them emulate. We all try to keep the status quo, and the social confirmity in groups. Those with us are right, those who are not are wrong.

The Guru has told us no ideology, no religion, ever survives the onslaught of time. In Mir Mehdi and Kalki Avtar this is illustrated. In Sau Sakhi the fate of the Khalsa is told again and again. However in this minute, in this negligble space of time, our own ideologies are the only truth, which of course we believe will last forever.

Our leaders, our Sant, our Group, our Jatha is the elite in the Panth. That have the "God-Given" yardstick of morality to measure every other group or individual. Those that conform to the standard are fine, those that do not, fall into exclusion and are the subject of attack. Bibek Bibeki are terms that are used day in and day out. In Parasnath Bibek and Abhek were consumed by Agane, in order to see the truth. Agane being the Parkash of Light or Jot in each person. Hence why in the 33 Swayyae, "Jagat Jot Japai Nisbasar", rituals, fast, ritualistic penance and meditations we do not believe in, only the worship of the radiance of Parmatma. Agane is a reference to this "tap". To burn away ones impurities, via the radiance of Vahiguroo.

It is easy to love those that love you, but hard to love those that do not. Therefore in this state of mind we cannot see the Sargun in that person. However we find many excuses, day in and day out, with no real justification. Those others say this, or believe this, or do this, so why love them? Let us just throw stones at them, then everything will be solved. Then this sense of frustration within me will also subside. Is that Sikhi ?

If we are perfected, if we are choosen, there is no need to venture into other peoples existences, but our own. The completeness and balance will talk for itself, and magnetically attract others. The sense of insecuriy, and paranoia however tend to plague the deluded mind. Which can only send out hate via whatever channel is disposable to it. In anger we loose intelligence, and drop to an idiotic state of mind where no sense of reason or argument exists. It becomes a war of them and us, this is a sorry sad state of mind. However the adrenal glands fuel such behaviour, but the length of such a high temper is finite, as the body will have to suffer as well as the mind.

People do not search the Shabad as Guru directed, but listen to examples of the Shabad via somebody else's interpretation. They lack their own ability to research the Guru. Therefore really they become followers of some elses interpretation of Gurbani, and naturally all others but this are wrong. Their leader was infact enlightened, like no one else has ever experienced this since the beggining of time, and to them religion started at the birth of their leader. They cling sentimentaly on to the memories, of the "chardikalah days of the puratan Singhs", but they cannot see the intrinsic goodness around them today.

In the cases of broken families, this network provides valuable support for those that have no emotional support. They forget the words of Guru Nanak, that those that believe, their family become exalted. The love they recieve from various groups, compensates for the lack of it from their own family. Those that enter the Gurus Path by taking intiation, do so in many known instances to disguise some underlying deficiency.

In society the criminals are said in some sociological theories to contribute and aid the Elite. In this way the self proclaimed "Elite" in the Panth, wind their networks to include those adept at extortion, violence, and theft. They keep this relationship to provide, a way of dealing with their inadequacies. Unable to look at their "enemy" in the eyes, they loose honour by sending thugs who are in the garb of Sikhi. This is the so called Sikhi of today and this trend sadly is present world wide.

We see ourselves as a Panth but forget our wider duty to humanity as the larger Panth and all as Gods children. We fight amongst each other like Dogs over scraps. We fail to see that we are the children of the same father. The arguments that occur are really due to other underlying competitive reasons. The resultant jeslousy eats away at us, in order to recognise it we must have it ourselves naturally. It eats us up like maggots on a corpse.

One meaning of the word Dharma is to be civilised. In psycology and sociology, this is highest concept of man, being able to tolerate and live with each other. The ancient Greeks and Indians divised many systems to keep the peace. In terms of Sikhi, a parrallel is when Guru created Amritsar a cosmopolitan place, a utopia within a state, where Guru built Mosques and Mandirs, and provisions for all. Today the Panth is tribal. It is divided, by the Pandits on high.

People now take amrit to join Sants or Groups, not the Panth. They say, "Our amrit is higher due to such reasons". Are people taking Amrit to surrender to the Guru, their Man, Tan, and Dhan? Or to your tribal ideologies? Are they taking it because of their own depression, family problems, or sexual orientation. There is already a group of Homosexual Amritdhari's fighting with their orientation, which is apparent to all by their campness. Is it that you have you got problems with your self esteem, that abusing everybody else makes you feel better? Or being with the "tribal elite" makes you feel secure? Does your group condemn caste, but then never allow inter-caste marriage. As well as remarriage to those that are divorcees? Maybe they keep face to their tribe, but have no real Dharam.

The following are a few questions that have to be asked by the youth . Hasten to add very stupid questions, but they are the present state of affairs :

Are you somebody who condemns two people dating, and infact you are now with one of those individuals yourself? Or that you simply did that to be with one of them? Have you actually condemned alcohol yourself, but then sell it in your shop? Do you believe in respecting your dharam infront of the wider world, but care nothing at knocking someones dastar of in haste? Do you believe in religious tolerance, but then condemn every person that does not fit your puritanical views? Do you comment on peoples personal lives, when infact you are an adulter yourself? Is your frustration vented out because you lost your potential partner to someone else of another tribe? Or they liked someone not from your tribe? Is your facism so pronounced that you make women destroy their own feminity and beauty, so that you can control them? Does this make you feel like a man? Do you hate another tribe because someone you like, likes them more than she/he likes you ?

We follow many external rites, we live in an external and artifical world. Has our Sikhi turned this way? Are we looking within or without? Does the two hours of simran we do, justify slandering everyone else for the rest of the day? Does the Nitnem for an hour, justify the sense of self righteousness and the condemnation of others? Does our Nam Abhiyas and Amrit Vela justify our aggressive stance, which is to the extent of attacking others? Does our vegitarianism become real love ? Do we attack those that eat flesh or like the Namdharis who were convicted in their faith of being Vegitarian actually closed down the Slaughter houses ? If you wish to attack anything, bring over your mind with love, into Sehaj. Then you can change those you hate, internally, instead of trying to intimidate them externally.

If you are strong, which is what you portray to the world. If your Sant is so high, if your leader or group are the best, and that they have so much spiritual and physical power. Then this is a humble benti to the charan of such great Gursikhs:

" You have so much strength, your way is true, you are a strong community then please dont pick on the few weak people who do not agree with you. Guru has said people like you will fight hundred and thousands of enemies."

Therefore go out of the surreal world of the internet into the real world and then finish of Al-Qaida. Close down those who believe in living Gurus like the Nirankari’s and remaining Darshan Dasi’s that have Derey in your areas. If you are against cigrattes and alcohol, make a political movement to stop them. Stop the testing on animals and slaughter, and the use of leather as clothing. Stop the destruction of the rain forests, the decline of the Ozone layer by use of Chloroflurocarbons. If your vegitarianism means so much, then surely you would be trying to do something bigger, than condeming those that consume flesh. Surely to eradicate the source, means more that abusing the user. Stop the use of pesticides on crops that kill the small mice and rodents, promote organic crops, and ban the use of non-organic food in the langar. Otherwise the blood is on your hands whether you choose to see it or not. For each grain of wheat, many micrograms of pesticide have killed. Therefore live up to your ideals. Think of Sarbatt Da Bhalla, something which we read each day three times at least.

In conclusion, if this post offends that was not is not the aim. If you are really secure about your prowess, beliefs and strength, then do not bully the weak. Choose to forgive and forget, and live and let live. Khalsa is about freedom not enforcing ideals on anyone. We have to see that we are all hypocrites compared to Satguru. If we keep this is mind it will help us all to get along. If you are convincted then do not pick on the small fry, chase and catch the Sharks.

Kamalroop Singh

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh

[guv]

very very true kamalroop. beautiful post.

To master the mind is to master the age

just one question on what u said here. is that from 'man jeetay jag jeet'? because i had always been told that 'jag' referred to jagat.

[SAadmin]

Kamalroop veer ji..

You left me speecheless with your post. You have said it everything that some of us have hard time put into words.

May guroo nanak dev nirankar keep you close to his heart!!!! :D

[Sikher]

:shock: powerful :shock:

I have just read this article again it is seriously inspirational and thoughtful to many peoples hidden truths/agenda's/lies.

[Sukhi]

thank u very much, Kamalroop. can we make this into a sticky or something? everyone should take a look at it.

[Khalsa4ever]

Waheguroo :)

[Sardu]

First thing first:bow down .

while reading the above text, i realised the need/area of improvement on myself. i see i was/am wrong at some/many occassions/places. Thanks for this.. I will try to improve. This text, infact, have further consolidated my belief/approach of living the life. I request everybody to give a serious thinking to the above text.

Live it..

Regards!

[mehtab]

THIS IS A BOMB

I HAVE HARDLY EVER READ ANYTHING CLOSE TO THIS

MUCH MUCH RESPECT TO YOU VEERJEE

NO WORDS LEFT

[sikhphilosophy]

Truly Inspirational !!

[sikh_fauge]

Quality stuff.

I bow before thee kamalroop singh.

A true gursikh!

[challenge_everything]

Vah Vah... Kamalroop Singh look at the tamasha of the World!

[Guest]

Another beautiful writing. This one is written by Vicky Singh during his course of pulling out the servers from Waheguroo Network !

This writing shows how some people who would go so low and start restoring threats to family members.

I am posting this because this is reality and this is where many sikhs youths stand today fighting with fanaticism from their fellow sikh youths.

Since most of you know me personally and most of you know that i am from california and i have website sikhpride.com and so on… There are many people whom i know a lil bit, but the funny thing is that yesterday i considered them my best friends or my best posters on Sikhsangat.com, recently they are calling me, emailing me, pm'ing me with vulgar language and attacking my family verbally, I have to pull my personal family website off the server (http://www.vickysingh.us). I would like to share with u how i see several things in my views.

In my life both on cyber and in reality i met people who say right in your face. "You tie your beard, you are not sikh. You gel your beard you are not sikh." Sometime, Hey Is SikhSangat.com really your website? Then you are AKJ person. Then sometime "You are wearing Maroon Turban, what's wrong with you." "You can't be gurmukh if u don't wear dumalla, peak style turban is punjabi not sikhi" and so on.. How i react? All with smile. No i am not that humble lol… but i don't get mad at anyone easily because it's not their fault either. But regardless of the comments i have seen/heard in my life, i never did turn my back to anyone.

Am i a political person? There are rumors going on that vicky (S1ngh) did it for political reason. I won't be surprised if next time i hear, Vicky was/is GOI agent. lol Yes i have strong interest in American Political system but i don't support the party blindly, I supported local dems in my local city and so did i supported Rep. Senate campaign of Chicago. But anyway going back to topic, in Sikh religious politics, Sikh family politics, Sikh Friends politics.. I never had interested in it, never in my life. I personally hate sikh politics, i never had interest in Sikh political category.

Since Network revealed my name out in public that Vicky Singh did everything and after that for past 36 hours i got several calls and several emails and Private messages saying.. "Freak", Weirdo... Ego ... posting gurbani tuks of Ego, lust and so on. And then official emails bringing my personal family in this dirty fight. I do not mind if it deals with me but if it deals with my real friends, relatives and family then thats another thing. I may be seen as singh who always smiles but i can get as bad as next person to me but i always try to keep calm, at least i try. I am not praising myself here, nor i want any sympthay from anyone, all i want is to share whats going inside me with others, thats what sangat is for.

vicky singh the owner of this forum? Answer was NO, and it's still NO. Three years ago, This forum was created by me and Khalsa (Sikhionline singh). We built this forum while we were not blessed with amrit. We tried our best talents to make this forum much better place for sangat and then Amardeep came and helped us. Everything that happens to this forum is first discussed with it's original sewadars. There's no and there never was one man action behind it. Sikhsangat inspired several youth to follow guru's path, several dozen members gave head to guru sahib jee (including me).. That's the sikhsangat i wanted to be in when all members were inspired by dozen of posts and where we can have funny posts and have good inspiration videos/pictures and so on. We don't see those stuff anymore on old network sikhsangat. We took a 180 degree turn and started attacking each other personally. You are Taksali, you are dodra, you are akj, you are admin cut, you are not nihang, you are anti-nihang, you are nanaksari, you are radha swami, you are this or you are that... Personally i felt we weren't talking about messages anymore, we were talking about messengers. i don't know but we few of us sewadars took this step to get rid of those stuff after trying hundreds of unsuccessful attempts at old network sikhsangat. We had Views clashes under Sewadar section. I never disliked anyone on the network, im not learned gursikh nor i limit myself to particular jathabandi. 99% of my friends are monay. im more like a common maybe confused sikh in the society. i go along well with everyone and at last i never wanted to hurt anyone nor i ever like to do chugleey whether its on msn or it's on phone.

We may not be good in releasing press releases, we may not be good in several other things, but as far as i know i can tell you the ppl (not including me) who are moderating this forum are neutral minded gursikhs and they are liked by all .. not by only one SPECIFIC particular jatha. Thus we won't have biased views from admins.. Anyway.. This post is not the official reply of SikhSangat.com but its just daas sharing his inside views with sangat.

One personal comments to all of you and I would like to convey it in punj-english. Jeh tusa Kaum ekta deh gal karday yo, the pehala jah keh society wich hissa lavo. 99% of Sikhs jehray tuhaday lagay chagay rehanday neh, jinnah nuh assa “FOB” kehanday neh teh hate karday yo, uhna nuh sikhi the lihavao, camp bacheya dah lavo, homeless sheleteran teh jaah keh help karo, society wich program karo. Protesting tah apa barrey jaldey karday neh society vich, but kadey Punjabi society deh betterment vaastay koe program karday yo? Jado doojjaay karday neh, tah apa kehanday ya.. leh eh tah jaedaa hey cultural ya.. plea is.. Pehla reality in Punjabi society vich kam karo.. fir jah keh online teh prachar karo. Kaum ekta choota motta joke nahey haega, and ehnay ehda ik doh reply on forums teh pah keh nahey solve hoona teh hunda..

At the end, i would like to add... In 3000+ posts of mine, i loved the company of all of members whether you are network sewadar or whether you are common member of fewer posts and whether you are from US or from any other parts of the world: I thank you for sharing knowledge with me and helping me to shape my sikhi much more better. I would like to announce i would like leave the admin-ship of the forum but will work as a mere moderator of this forum.

In your charan

Vicky Singh

Former Admin - 1 (Network id on other forums)

[guv]

what a sad & depressing state we can lower ourselves to.

[opensikh]

sad shame but true

[Malwe Da Sher]

just read this article again, never fails to have the same powerful effect. Truth is truth and will always be true. Amazing!

[amardeep]

woow that was just amazing.. a real eye opener....keep up the good work,---

[Preet13]

wow excellent read by kamalroop singh...thank you...

Vicky Singh's read was really sad

[rapunzel]

Hi,

I see you posted this a long time ago, but I thought I'd reply anyways. I just posted my very first post in this forum, oddly enough, about me being confused about my identity as a Sikh and that identity clashing with part of my cultural identity as Punjabi - and the expectations that come with those things. My confusion seems to swallow me whole sometimes, and it stems from the seed of hypocrisy I've witnessed in my own life, on many levels, mostly by those dictating what is right according to them, and then doing wrong according to what the Guru Granth Sahib really embodies - and being sometimes willfully blind to their own ignorance and agendas. It's even more astounding the times my eyes have been opened to my own close-mindedness and mistakes.

I posted what I did because I've come to a point in my life where I've realized that questions I've had in my mind about life since I was little have never gone away, and have never really been answered by the Guru Granth Sahib itself (because I've never actually read and researched it myself), but depended on the interpretation of various parts of it by other people, and sometimes told by those people that this is the only way to see things. I want to now seek the answers to my own questions myself, and find the truth out for myself, and when it comes to Sikhism, I hope I can start to learn what it's really and truly about by reading and researching it on my own and not relying on others. Spiritually, as a Sikh in this day and age, I struggle to feel connected to God and wonder how to get to the truth, and to God, to feel connected to those things and really have faith in them, and how to know what the right path even is.

I stumbled upon your post after posting my own questions, and oddly enough the timing could not have been more perfect. I just wanted to say that the clarity of your statements and the truth within them, not only in your statements but also in your questions and perceptions, really had an impact on helping me gain some clarity in my own life and questions at this point in my life, oddly enough exactly when I seemed to need it today. It was a little gift to read your post at the time that I did, but I want to say thanks for writing it. It makes me feel like I am not alone in how I see the world, in seeking and struggling to understand it and my faith, and in trying to find meaning and peace within this lifetime by faith and trust in God - even if I sometimes am at a loss in terms of how to be able to do that. Thanks again.

[jaikaara]

Amazing post by Dr. Kamalroop singh ji ..Bhaisaab has always been a eye opener. We should all stop thinking about ourselves as someone from the Mars and being some special breed...we are human and live in this society . The entire life people spend in mud slinging on Hindus, muslims and others . The fact is the others have gone ahead in their world and we stand still in the past we did not move ..and our thinking is one sided, we dont give even give a thought about the other person. We need to stop this talibanisation and move ahead. Live as normal human beings and amalgamate in the society as it was always in the past .

[ragnarok]

How can there be high and low if there is only one?

I don't mean to be acerbic but I believe the value of being concise. The length of your post stems from the inaccuracy of your first statement "There is non higher than Ik-Oankar," Just like academic economics has 1000s of books of models based on incorrect assumptions, when you use the correct statements the line of thought comes to an abrupt halt.

Please find an edited version of your post below which answers all questions and arguments before they can be raised and doesn't require 1000s of words of explanation.

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa
Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh

Dear Guru Pyare Sangat Ji,

There is only Ik-Oankar.

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa

Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh

Regarding Vicky Singh's post - Sikhsangat.com is a collection of the most ignorant group of people on the planet to identify as sikhs and is emblematic of the decline of Sikhism as all great traditions decline over time.

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa
Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh

Dear Guru Pyare Sangat Ji,

There is non higher than Ik-Oankar, everything is in the hands of the supreme consciousness and in our lives we move about like leaves in the wind. We are all subject to the Hukam of the divine Majesty. May we stay in love with the feet of this Majesty and look to no other till the last breath.

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In conclusion, if this post offends that was not is not the aim. If you are really secure about your prowess, beliefs and strength, then do not bully the weak. Choose to forgive and forget, and live and let live. Khalsa is about freedom not enforcing ideals on anyone. We have to see that we are all hypocrites compared to Satguru. If we keep this is mind it will help us all to get along. If you are convincted then do not pick on the small fry, chase and catch the Sharks.

Kamalroop Singh

Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa
Vahiguroo Ji Ke Fateh

Edited December 11, 2014 by ragnarok